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25th Oct '15 10:54:02 AM ramapith
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**** In Fantagraphics' collected Gottfredson volumes, the ''Musketeers'' director is actually quoted as referencing "Seven Haunts" as his specific inspiration for Donald in the ''Musketeers'' film: that cinches it.
26th Sep '15 4:56:42 AM ScroogeMacDuck
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** Well, that could be a justification… But apparently, Pete's plan is to get her out of the way and use a ''disguised Midget Beagle'' to play Minnie's part when needed. It's true he needs to make the people believe that their princess willingly gave the power to Pete and is still okay with any reform he could make, but he never mentions wanting to oblige Minnie to play this role: he uses his Midget Beagle. So still why ?
** But I [[FridgeHorror just remembered]] something [[UnfortunateImplications quite unsettling]]: in the original shorts of the 30's, Pete was often trying to [[RapeTropes kiss Minnie by force]], having apparently something of a crush on her. [[FridgeHorror Is keeping her locked away in a place only him knows related in any way to that ?]]…
23rd Sep '15 5:25:23 PM Wanderwolf
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* Donald's characterization in this movie. Cowardice has never been his biggest flaw, or even a huge part of his personality. Not that he hasn't shown cowardice, but no more than any of the other characters. His major traita has always been his temper, and it only is really displayed in one scene in this movie (when Troubadour sings his YouSuck song). It's not like it couldn't work as a believable flaw (it had been working for over half a century till that point), Pete could say he's too much of a loose cannon, that he flies off the handle at any slight (except, you kno, the way Pete would say), and that Muskateers need disipline.

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\n** In theory, he needs her alive. Pete (the Captain of the Musketeers) is nowhere in the line of succession -- if Princess Minnie dies or is ruled dead, the throne passes to someone else. In order for him to rule, he would need to present himself as her spokesperson, handing down "the Princess' orders" while keeping her locked up against the need for a signature or forced appearance. Admittedly, this may be overthinking the plot, but still...

* Donald's characterization in this movie. Cowardice has never been his biggest flaw, or even a huge part of his personality. Not that he hasn't shown cowardice, but no more than any of the other characters. His major traita has always been his temper, and it only is really displayed in one scene in this movie (when Troubadour sings his YouSuck song). It's not like it couldn't work as a believable flaw (it had been working for over half a century till that point), Pete could say he's too much of a loose cannon, that he flies off the handle at any slight (except, you kno, the way Pete would say), and that Muskateers Musketeers need disipline.discipline.
18th Sep '15 3:51:30 AM StFan
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*** Yes, it most certainly does [[DependingOnTheWriter vary between comic book authors]]. The example of Floyd Gottfredson isn't a very good one since he's always been credited more of a Mickey Mouse author rather than a Donald one so of course, his Mickey would be the hero. But there are plenty of Barks' and even some of Don Rosa's comics (and Don Rosa is usually notorious for making Donald even more unlucky and "cowardly" than Barks' or his animated counterpart ever was!) where Donald demonstrates bravado like [[http://www.zocoi.com/books/209-scrooge-mcduck-the-black-knight-glorps-again "The Black Knight Glorps Again"]] where Donald almost sacrifices himself in trying to stop a thief with armour that acts like a black hole which destroys everything it touches! There are also examples of Donald's bravery in the newer European comics. And let's not forget that it was his incarnation in the comics that gave us Donald's avenger/superhero alter ego, [[PaperinikNewAdventures Paperinik/Duck Avenger]] as well as his secret agent alter ego, DoubleDuck! So although his cowardice might show up more in the comics than in the cartoons, he's only scared when there's actual danger, not at the drop of a hat like they portrayed him in the movie! And even then, he usually does still face his fears head on!

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*** Yes, it most certainly does [[DependingOnTheWriter vary between comic book authors]]. The example of Floyd Gottfredson isn't a very good one since he's always been credited more of a Mickey Mouse author rather than a Donald one so of course, his Mickey would be the hero. But there are plenty of Barks' and even some of Don Rosa's comics (and Don Rosa is usually notorious for making Donald even more unlucky and "cowardly" than Barks' or his animated counterpart ever was!) where Donald demonstrates bravado like [[http://www.zocoi.com/books/209-scrooge-mcduck-the-black-knight-glorps-again "The Black Knight Glorps Again"]] where Donald almost sacrifices himself in trying to stop a thief with armour that acts like a black hole which destroys everything it touches! There are also examples of Donald's bravery in the newer European comics. And let's not forget that it was his incarnation in the comics that gave us Donald's avenger/superhero alter ego, [[PaperinikNewAdventures [[ComicBook/PaperinikNewAdventures Paperinik/Duck Avenger]] as well as his secret agent alter ego, DoubleDuck! ComicBook/DoubleDuck! So although his cowardice might show up more in the comics than in the cartoons, he's only scared when there's actual danger, not at the drop of a hat like they portrayed him in the movie! And even then, he usually does still face his fears head on!
17th Sep '15 1:56:41 PM StFan
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** Actually, this is a bit of FridgeBrilliance: Donald being a coward is an established part of his character; it's just that this particular trait is more a staple of the Donald who appears in [[DisneyMouseAndDuckComics comic books and strips]] than Donald in animation -- and this movie is narrated from a comic book!

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** Actually, this is a bit of FridgeBrilliance: Donald being a coward is an established part of his character; it's just that this particular trait is more a staple of the Donald who appears in [[DisneyMouseAndDuckComics [[ComicBook/DisneyMouseAndDuckComics comic books and strips]] than Donald in animation -- and this movie is narrated from a comic book!



******* And those are examples of stories where Donald ''is'' portrayed as brave. There are still a lot of comic stories where he ''isn't.'' I grew up on Disney comics in the 80s and 90s, and I read more examples of the latter than the former (maybe I just read the wrong stories), so to me Donald usually came across more of a LovableCoward but with a number of LetsGetDangerous moments. (I tend to view the Duck Avenger and Double Duck stories as alternate continuities... [[NegativeContinuity insofar as there is a continuity at all in the]] DisneyDucksComicUniverse.) I'd say it's more CharacterExaggeration than a case of OOC, because I recognized Donald in the movie. His cowardice was exaggerated for comic effect, and his temper downplayed perhaps a bit too much because it would clash with his flaw-of-the-movie, but I still hold that Donald's cowardly streak is not something unique to this movie and has been one of Donald's traits in many other stories.

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******* And those are examples of stories where Donald ''is'' portrayed as brave. There are still a lot of comic stories where he ''isn't.'' I grew up on Disney comics in the 80s and 90s, and I read more examples of the latter than the former (maybe I just read the wrong stories), so to me Donald usually came across more of a LovableCoward but with a number of LetsGetDangerous moments. (I tend to view the Duck Avenger and Double Duck stories as alternate continuities... [[NegativeContinuity insofar as there is a continuity at all in the]] DisneyDucksComicUniverse.ComicBook/DisneyDucksComicUniverse.) I'd say it's more CharacterExaggeration than a case of OOC, because I recognized Donald in the movie. His cowardice was exaggerated for comic effect, and his temper downplayed perhaps a bit too much because it would clash with his flaw-of-the-movie, but I still hold that Donald's cowardly streak is not something unique to this movie and has been one of Donald's traits in many other stories.
9th Sep '15 7:48:03 AM ScroogeMacDuck
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* Pete makes a whole point to the Beagle Boys that he wants to ''kidnap'' Minnie instead of ''killing'' her. I mean, WHY ? If the only thing he does once he has got the kidnapped Minnie is to lock her up in a place where no one will ever find her, wouldn't killing her do the job easily ? It can't be scruples, not from ''Big Bad Pete'''s part.
13th May '15 8:28:16 AM Roo
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******* And those are examples of stories where Donald ''is'' portrayed as brave. There are still a lot of comic stories where he ''isn't.'' I grew up on Disney comics in the 80s and 90s, and I read more examples of the latter than the former (maybe I just read the wrong stories), so to me Donald usually came across more of a LovableCoward but with a number of LetsGetDangerous moments. (I tend to view the Duck Avenger and Double Duck stories as alternate continuities... [[NegativeContinuity insofar as there is a continuity at all in the]] DisneyDucksComicUniverse.) I'd say it's more CharacterExaggeration than a case of OOC, because I recognized Donald in the movie. His cowardice was exaggerated for comic effect, and his temper downplayed perhaps a bit too much because it would clash with his flaw-of-the-movie, but I still hold that it is a valid, if exaggerated, interpretation of the character.

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******* And those are examples of stories where Donald ''is'' portrayed as brave. There are still a lot of comic stories where he ''isn't.'' I grew up on Disney comics in the 80s and 90s, and I read more examples of the latter than the former (maybe I just read the wrong stories), so to me Donald usually came across more of a LovableCoward but with a number of LetsGetDangerous moments. (I tend to view the Duck Avenger and Double Duck stories as alternate continuities... [[NegativeContinuity insofar as there is a continuity at all in the]] DisneyDucksComicUniverse.) I'd say it's more CharacterExaggeration than a case of OOC, because I recognized Donald in the movie. His cowardice was exaggerated for comic effect, and his temper downplayed perhaps a bit too much because it would clash with his flaw-of-the-movie, but I still hold that it Donald's cowardly streak is a valid, if exaggerated, interpretation not something unique to this movie and has been one of the character.Donald's traits in many other stories.
13th May '15 8:19:07 AM Roo
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******* And those are examples of stories where Donald ''is'' portrayed as brave. There are still a lot of comic stories where he ''isn't.'' I grew up on Disney comics in the 80s and 90s, and I read more examples of the latter than the former (maybe I just read the wrong stories), so to me Donald usually came across more of a LovableCoward but with a number of LetsGetDangerous moments. (I tend to view the Duck Avenger and Double Duck stories as alternate continuities... [[NegativeContinuity insofar as there is a continuity at all in the]] DisneyDucksComicsUniverse.) I'd say it's more CharacterExaggeration than a case of OOC, because I recognized Donald in the movie. His cowardice was exaggerated for comic effect, and his temper downplayed perhaps a bit too much because it would clash with his flaw-of-the-movie, but I still hold that it is a valid, if exaggerated, interpretation of the character.

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******* And those are examples of stories where Donald ''is'' portrayed as brave. There are still a lot of comic stories where he ''isn't.'' I grew up on Disney comics in the 80s and 90s, and I read more examples of the latter than the former (maybe I just read the wrong stories), so to me Donald usually came across more of a LovableCoward but with a number of LetsGetDangerous moments. (I tend to view the Duck Avenger and Double Duck stories as alternate continuities... [[NegativeContinuity insofar as there is a continuity at all in the]] DisneyDucksComicsUniverse.DisneyDucksComicUniverse.) I'd say it's more CharacterExaggeration than a case of OOC, because I recognized Donald in the movie. His cowardice was exaggerated for comic effect, and his temper downplayed perhaps a bit too much because it would clash with his flaw-of-the-movie, but I still hold that it is a valid, if exaggerated, interpretation of the character.
13th May '15 8:18:20 AM Roo
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******* And those are examples of stories where Donald ''is'' portrayed as brave. There are still a lot of comic stories where he ''isn't.'' I grew up on Disney comics in the 80s and 90s, and I read more examples of the latter than the former (maybe I just read the wrong stories), so to me Donald usually came across more of a LovableCoward but with a number of LetsGetDangerous moments. (I tend to view the Duck Avenger and Double Duck stories as alternate continuities... [[NegativeContinuity insofar as there is a continuity at all in the]] DisneyDuckComicsUniverse.) I'd say it's more CharacterExaggeration than a case of OOC, because I recognized Donald in the movie. His cowardice was exaggerated for comic effect, and his temper downplayed perhaps a bit too much because it would clash with his flaw-of-the-movie, but I still hold that it is a valid, if exaggerated, interpretation of the character.

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******* And those are examples of stories where Donald ''is'' portrayed as brave. There are still a lot of comic stories where he ''isn't.'' I grew up on Disney comics in the 80s and 90s, and I read more examples of the latter than the former (maybe I just read the wrong stories), so to me Donald usually came across more of a LovableCoward but with a number of LetsGetDangerous moments. (I tend to view the Duck Avenger and Double Duck stories as alternate continuities... [[NegativeContinuity insofar as there is a continuity at all in the]] DisneyDuckComicsUniverse.DisneyDucksComicsUniverse.) I'd say it's more CharacterExaggeration than a case of OOC, because I recognized Donald in the movie. His cowardice was exaggerated for comic effect, and his temper downplayed perhaps a bit too much because it would clash with his flaw-of-the-movie, but I still hold that it is a valid, if exaggerated, interpretation of the character.
13th May '15 8:18:02 AM Roo
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******* And those are examples of stories where Donald ''is'' portrayed as brave. There are still a lot of comic stories where he ''isn't.'' I grew up on Disney comics in the 80s and 90s, and I read more examples of the latter than the former (maybe I just read the wrong stories), so to me Donald usually came across more of a LovableCoward but with a number of LetsGetDangerous moments. (I tend to view the Duck Avenger and Double Duck stories as alternate continuities... [[NegativeContinuity insofar as there is a continuity at all in the]] DisneyDuckComics.) I'd say it's more CharacterExaggeration than a case of OOC, because I recognized Donald in the movie. His cowardice was exaggerated for comic effect, and his temper downplayed perhaps a bit too much because it would clash with his flaw-of-the-movie, but I still hold that it is a valid, if exaggerated, interpretation of the character.

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******* And those are examples of stories where Donald ''is'' portrayed as brave. There are still a lot of comic stories where he ''isn't.'' I grew up on Disney comics in the 80s and 90s, and I read more examples of the latter than the former (maybe I just read the wrong stories), so to me Donald usually came across more of a LovableCoward but with a number of LetsGetDangerous moments. (I tend to view the Duck Avenger and Double Duck stories as alternate continuities... [[NegativeContinuity insofar as there is a continuity at all in the]] DisneyDuckComics.DisneyDuckComicsUniverse.) I'd say it's more CharacterExaggeration than a case of OOC, because I recognized Donald in the movie. His cowardice was exaggerated for comic effect, and his temper downplayed perhaps a bit too much because it would clash with his flaw-of-the-movie, but I still hold that it is a valid, if exaggerated, interpretation of the character.
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