History Headscratchers / MetalGearSolid

9th Dec '17 5:19:30 AM hplcr
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* One thing that came to mind after playing this for the second time is the fact Liquid goes on and on about wanting Big Bosses Corpse so he can have a gene sample to fix the genome soldiers, except Liquid also knows that both he and Solid Snake are clones of Big Boss? I know Liquid is kind of an idiot in regards to ANYTHING related to genetics, but I'm kinda annoyed this is never brought up once. Liquid presumably has all the same genes as Big Boss(being a clone and all) and even with the whole "Recessive" clone thing Liquid is so obsessed with, you'd think capturing Snake, the "Dominant" clone, would lead Liquid to at least consider the idea of taking gene samples from Snake, using the gene samples from himself and realizing he doesn't need Big Bosses body after all.

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* One thing that came to mind after playing this for the second time is the fact Liquid *Liquid goes on and on about wanting Big Bosses Corpse so he can have a gene sample to fix the genome soldiers, except Liquid also knows that both he and Solid Snake are clones of Big Boss? I know Boss, which presumably renders the whole "We need Big Bosses genes" subplot redundant and pointless. This Troper realizes that Liquid is kind of an idiot in regards to ANYTHING related to genetics, but I'm it seems kinda annoyed annoying this is never brought up once. Liquid presumably has all the same genes as Big Boss(being a clone and all) and even with the whole "Recessive" clone thing Liquid is so obsessed with, you'd think capturing Snake, the "Dominant" clone, would lead Liquid to at least consider the idea of taking gene samples from Snake, using the gene samples from himself and realizing he doesn't need Big Bosses body after all.
9th Dec '17 5:15:52 AM hplcr
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* One thing that came to mind after playing this for the second time is the fact Liquid goes on and on about wanting Big Bosses Corpse so he can have a gene sample to fix the genome soldiers, except Liquid also knows that both he and Solid Snake are clones of Big Boss? I know Liquid is kind of an idiot in regards to ANYTHING related to genetics, but I'm kinda annoyed this is never brought up once. Liquid presumably has all the same genes as Big Boss(being a clone and all) and even with the whole "Recessive" clone thing Liquid is so obsessed with, you'd think capturing Snake, the "Dominant" clone, would lead Liquid to at least consider the idea of taking gene samples from Snake, using the gene samples from himself and realizing he doesn't need Big Bosses body after all.
26th Oct '17 2:01:32 PM Tharkun140
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** Give the guy a break. He is an old man who is exhausted, has just been tortured half to death and has spent God knows how long strapped to a post surrounded by C4.

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** Give the guy a break. He is an old man who is exhausted, has just been tortured half to death and has spent God knows how long strapped to a post surrounded by C4.C4.
* During the battle with Metal Gear Rex, Snake finds himself unable to shoot a missile at Liquid as it would kill Gray Fox as well. Seeing how he can't bring himself to kill his friend is a real {{Tearjerker}}... but it seems unlikely considering ''he already did exactly that'' in Videogame/MetalGear2. Not only does he beat Fox to death, he later leaves his body on the floor and carries on with the mission like nothing happened. So killing your buddy to stop a dangerous terrorist is fine, but killing him to stop another terrorist is unacceptable?
16th Oct '17 5:14:07 PM thatsnumberwang
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** I think you answered your own question to be honest. There was no reason at all not to have that case back then if you bought the game legitimately. Digital downloads weren't just in their infancy, they were non-existent on the PlayStation 1.
16th Oct '17 5:03:38 PM thatsnumberwang
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** That or she was lying. She is an extremely manipulative person.
16th Oct '17 4:56:01 PM thatsnumberwang
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* Baker was heavily involved in the creation of Metal Gear REX, so wouldn't he have known that the card keys would ''start up'' REX, rather than deactivate it? Snake brings this up while interrogating him (after saving him from Ocelot), but Baker doesn't correct him.

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* Baker was heavily involved in the creation of Metal Gear REX, so wouldn't he have known that the card keys would ''start up'' REX, rather than deactivate it? Snake brings this up while interrogating him (after saving him from Ocelot), but Baker doesn't correct him.him.
** Give the guy a break. He is an old man who is exhausted, has just been tortured half to death and has spent God knows how long strapped to a post surrounded by C4.
27th Sep '17 7:37:13 AM Brandon
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** I think the manual mentioned that it was the fact that most of the equipment could not fit in that small submarine torpedo that snake was launched out of in the opening. Also, what they need to keep secret here isn't that Foxhound has gone rouge but that Metal Gear Rex and the genome army exists. Though it is easy to miss the codec calls mention it a couple of times in the game. Like "Metal Gear is one of the most secret black projects!" and "Publicly the president has been very vocal in his opposition to genetic experiments, we don't want the existence of the genome army to go public." Basically it is less the government has to do illegal stuff in this case, but that the whole situation is an embarrassment to them.

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** I think the manual mentioned that it was the fact that most of the equipment could not fit in that small submarine torpedo that snake was launched out of in the opening. Also, what they need to keep secret here isn't that Foxhound has gone rouge but that Metal Gear Rex and the genome army exists. Though it is easy to miss the codec calls mention it a couple of times in the game. Like "Metal Gear is one of the most secret black projects!" and "Publicly the president has been very vocal in his opposition to genetic experiments, we don't want the existence of the genome army to go public." Basically it is less the government has to do illegal stuff in this case, but that the whole situation is an embarrassment to them.them.
* Baker was heavily involved in the creation of Metal Gear REX, so wouldn't he have known that the card keys would ''start up'' REX, rather than deactivate it? Snake brings this up while interrogating him (after saving him from Ocelot), but Baker doesn't correct him.
2nd Sep '17 12:52:20 PM HalcyonDayz
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** How is there a gaping plot hole? Sahelanthropus was being controlled by Psycho Mantis with Liquid inside it and it was already active during MGS5. Now compare that to ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid'' where Rex was inactive at the time and neither Liquid nor Mantis had any idea how to activate Rex until Solid Snake Inserted the activation card key which both Liquid and Mantis had no idea how the key worked at the time. Also if Liquid entered Rex while it was inactive while Mantis was using his powers to help pilot it, it would be comparable to a passenger guiding a driver inside a car only for them to realize they had no keys in the car ignition to be able to drive. Mantis couldn't use that ability since Rex would still be inactive.

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** How is there a gaping plot hole? Sahelanthropus was being controlled by Psycho Mantis with Liquid inside it and it was already active during MGS5.''VideoGame/MetalGearSolidVGroundZeroes''. Now compare that to ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid'' where Rex was inactive at the time and neither Liquid nor Mantis had any idea how to activate Rex until Solid Snake Inserted the activation card key which both Liquid and Mantis had no idea how the key worked at the time. Also if Liquid entered Rex while it was inactive while Mantis was using his powers to help pilot it, it would be comparable to a passenger guiding a driver inside a car only for them to realize they had no keys in the car ignition to be able to drive. Mantis couldn't use that ability since Rex would still be inactive.
2nd Sep '17 11:57:03 AM HalcyonDayz
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* Hello, just finished the game a couple hours ago, and am I the only one SERIOUSLY bothered by the vague answer Naomi gives Snake when he asks her how long he has left to live? Clearly he's fine and doesn't die until MGS4 (and that's because of old age mutating the Foxdie virus), so what happened? Did Naomi not program the virus to kill Snake? I'm seriously confused! Also, the virus killed Baker and Decoy Octopus right away when they were exposed to it but took way longer to kill Liquid, so what the heck is going on?!

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* Hello, just finished the game a couple hours ago, and am I the only one SERIOUSLY bothered by the vague answer Naomi gives Snake when he asks her how long he has left to live? Clearly he's fine and doesn't die until MGS4 ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid4GunsOfThePatriots'' (and that's because of old age mutating the Foxdie virus), so what happened? Did Naomi not program the virus to kill Snake? I'm seriously confused! Also, the virus killed Baker and Decoy Octopus right away when they were exposed to it but took way longer to kill Liquid, so what the heck is going on?!
2nd Sep '17 9:37:30 AM HalcyonDayz
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** How is there a gaping plot hole? Sahelanthropus was being controlled by Psycho Mantis with Liquid inside it and it was already active during MGS5. Now compare that to MGS1 where Rex was inactive at the time and neither Liquid nor Mantis had any idea how to activate Rex until Solid Snake Inserted the activation card key which both Liquid and Mantis had no idea how the key worked at the time. Also if Liquid entered Rex while it was inactive while Mantis was using his powers to help pilot it, it would be comparable to a passenger guiding a driver inside a car only for them to realize they had no keys in the car ignition to be able to drive. Mantis couldn't use that ability since Rex would still be inactive.

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** How is there a gaping plot hole? Sahelanthropus was being controlled by Psycho Mantis with Liquid inside it and it was already active during MGS5. Now compare that to MGS1 ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid'' where Rex was inactive at the time and neither Liquid nor Mantis had any idea how to activate Rex until Solid Snake Inserted the activation card key which both Liquid and Mantis had no idea how the key worked at the time. Also if Liquid entered Rex while it was inactive while Mantis was using his powers to help pilot it, it would be comparable to a passenger guiding a driver inside a car only for them to realize they had no keys in the car ignition to be able to drive. Mantis couldn't use that ability since Rex would still be inactive.
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