History Headscratchers / MetalGearSolid

20th May '18 3:46:56 PM Booky
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* When the DARPA chief dies, Dr. Hunter implies that she saw it happen. Is Snake wearing a camera?
* What was Snake's plan once he'd rescued the hostages?
5th Apr '18 7:37:08 AM MisterMoe
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* During the battle with Metal Gear Rex, Snake finds himself unable to shoot a missile at Liquid as it would kill Gray Fox as well. Seeing how he can't bring himself to kill his friend is a real {{Tearjerker}}... but it seems unlikely considering ''he already did exactly that'' in Videogame/MetalGear2. Not only does he beat Fox to death, he later leaves his body on the floor and carries on with the mission like nothing happened. So killing your buddy to stop a dangerous terrorist is fine, but killing him to stop another terrorist is unacceptable?

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* During the battle with Metal Gear Rex, Snake finds himself unable to shoot a missile at Liquid as it would kill Gray Fox as well. Seeing how he can't bring himself to kill his friend is a real {{Tearjerker}}... but it seems unlikely considering ''he already did exactly that'' in Videogame/MetalGear2. Not only does he beat Fox to death, he later leaves his body on the floor and carries on with the mission like nothing happened. So killing your buddy to stop a dangerous terrorist is fine, but killing him to stop another terrorist is unacceptable?unacceptable?
** Presumably killing (or thinking he killed) Gray Fox the first time left lasting scars, and now the situation is repeating itself... to use an analogy: let's say one year ago a friend of yours asked you to help him commit suicide, and you did, and you'd been messed up about it ever since (so much so that you ''quit your job'' over it, as Snake did after Zanzibarland) and then somehow you woke up and it turned out you somehow traveled back to that very day one year ago and are reliving it all over again... would you be able to go through with it a second time, knowing what psychological hell it put you through before?
5th Apr '18 7:09:14 AM MisterMoe
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** As a really old person it actually amazes me that MGS gets called out for this more than most other games. There used to be times when ''most'' games (especially on PC) required you to have a code or the ability to look up something on the jewel case or in the included documentation (see: old RPGs that made you look up "paragraph ##" in an included adventurer's journal). While MGS is unusual in being a console game with such a requirement, its far from the first--''Startropics'' on the NES was a bigger offender, since for that game if you lost the special letter included in the box (and with cartridge-based games you were very likely to throw away everything but the cart) you got stuck midway through the game. At least with PS1 games, most people started actually trying to keep their games complete just due to the fragility of optical media, so you're more likely to have a PS1 game's case than an NES game's manual.
5th Apr '18 6:03:07 AM MisterMoe
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** Its possible Liquid thinks that his and Solid's genes are going to be weaker, much like how in the days of VHS tapes, a copy (or "second generation") VHS copy was always going to have worse quality than the original. Alternatively, he might've already known or suspected that Solid Snake was [[spoiler: infected with FoxDie]] and so didn't want to even bother repairing his soldiers with [[spoiler: genes he knew had a virus in them designed specifically to kill him.]]
26th Jan '18 7:08:42 PM costanton11
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'''Remember''': ''Metal Gear Solid'' is not the name of the series. This page is for {{Headscratchers}} concerning the first title ''Metal Gear Solid'' for the UsefulNotes/PlayStation and UsefulNotes/NintendoGameCube. Put {{Headscratchers}} for the entire series on the [[Headscratchers/MetalGear Metal Gear Headscratchers page]], or, if your Headscratcher is about something that only happened in one game, try one of the following pages:

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'''Remember''': ''Metal Gear Solid'' is not the name of the series. This page is for {{Headscratchers}} [[Headscratchers/HomePage Headscratchers]] concerning the first title ''Metal Gear Solid'' for the UsefulNotes/PlayStation and UsefulNotes/NintendoGameCube. Put {{Headscratchers}} [[Headscratchers/HomePage Headscratchers]] for the entire series on the [[Headscratchers/MetalGear Metal Gear Headscratchers page]], or, if your Headscratcher is about something that only happened in one game, try one of the following pages:
9th Dec '17 5:19:30 AM hplcr
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* One thing that came to mind after playing this for the second time is the fact Liquid goes on and on about wanting Big Bosses Corpse so he can have a gene sample to fix the genome soldiers, except Liquid also knows that both he and Solid Snake are clones of Big Boss? I know Liquid is kind of an idiot in regards to ANYTHING related to genetics, but I'm kinda annoyed this is never brought up once. Liquid presumably has all the same genes as Big Boss(being a clone and all) and even with the whole "Recessive" clone thing Liquid is so obsessed with, you'd think capturing Snake, the "Dominant" clone, would lead Liquid to at least consider the idea of taking gene samples from Snake, using the gene samples from himself and realizing he doesn't need Big Bosses body after all.

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* One thing that came to mind after playing this for the second time is the fact Liquid *Liquid goes on and on about wanting Big Bosses Corpse so he can have a gene sample to fix the genome soldiers, except Liquid also knows that both he and Solid Snake are clones of Big Boss? I know Boss, which presumably renders the whole "We need Big Bosses genes" subplot redundant and pointless. This Troper realizes that Liquid is kind of an idiot in regards to ANYTHING related to genetics, but I'm it seems kinda annoyed annoying this is never brought up once. Liquid presumably has all the same genes as Big Boss(being a clone and all) and even with the whole "Recessive" clone thing Liquid is so obsessed with, you'd think capturing Snake, the "Dominant" clone, would lead Liquid to at least consider the idea of taking gene samples from Snake, using the gene samples from himself and realizing he doesn't need Big Bosses body after all.
9th Dec '17 5:15:52 AM hplcr
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* One thing that came to mind after playing this for the second time is the fact Liquid goes on and on about wanting Big Bosses Corpse so he can have a gene sample to fix the genome soldiers, except Liquid also knows that both he and Solid Snake are clones of Big Boss? I know Liquid is kind of an idiot in regards to ANYTHING related to genetics, but I'm kinda annoyed this is never brought up once. Liquid presumably has all the same genes as Big Boss(being a clone and all) and even with the whole "Recessive" clone thing Liquid is so obsessed with, you'd think capturing Snake, the "Dominant" clone, would lead Liquid to at least consider the idea of taking gene samples from Snake, using the gene samples from himself and realizing he doesn't need Big Bosses body after all.
26th Oct '17 2:01:32 PM Tharkun140
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** Give the guy a break. He is an old man who is exhausted, has just been tortured half to death and has spent God knows how long strapped to a post surrounded by C4.

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** Give the guy a break. He is an old man who is exhausted, has just been tortured half to death and has spent God knows how long strapped to a post surrounded by C4.C4.
* During the battle with Metal Gear Rex, Snake finds himself unable to shoot a missile at Liquid as it would kill Gray Fox as well. Seeing how he can't bring himself to kill his friend is a real {{Tearjerker}}... but it seems unlikely considering ''he already did exactly that'' in Videogame/MetalGear2. Not only does he beat Fox to death, he later leaves his body on the floor and carries on with the mission like nothing happened. So killing your buddy to stop a dangerous terrorist is fine, but killing him to stop another terrorist is unacceptable?
16th Oct '17 5:14:07 PM thatsnumberwang
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** I think you answered your own question to be honest. There was no reason at all not to have that case back then if you bought the game legitimately. Digital downloads weren't just in their infancy, they were non-existent on the PlayStation 1.
16th Oct '17 5:03:38 PM thatsnumberwang
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** That or she was lying. She is an extremely manipulative person.
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