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*** This seems even more plausible in the wake of ''Film/ShangChiAndTheLegendOfTheTenRings'', as we now know the MCU Mandarin had been around for centuries, and had retired from running the Ten Rings for some years. Kilian probably assumed "Mandarin" was at most a LegacyCharacter, not an individual, and one that was no longer being passed on.
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*** This seems even more plausible in the wake of ''Film/ShangChiAndTheLegendOfTheTenRings'', as we now know the MCU Mandarin had been around for centuries, and had retired from running the Ten Rings for some years. Kilian probably assumed "Mandarin" was at most a LegacyCharacter, not an individual, and one that was no longer consistently being passed on.
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*** This seems even more plausible in the wake of ''Film/ShangChiAndTheLegendOfTheTenRings'', as we now know the MCU Mandarin had been around for centuries, and had retired from running the Ten Rings for some years. Kilian probably assumed "Mandarin" was at most a LegacyCharacter, not an individual, and one that was no longer being passed on.
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** Or he was deliberately playing up the "stuffy pedantic wonk" image, the better to make his agency seem less savvy and intrusive to Tony: an industrialist who, like so many other U.S. corporate bosses, might object to government oversight on principle.
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* At the end of ''Agent Carter'', [[spoiler: how come Howard Stark refers to SHIELD by its acronym, instead of its full name?]] ''Film/IronMan1'' made me think that [[spoiler: the shortened name wouldn't have existed in the 1940s.]]
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** It's probably why he had Trevor play the role of the Mandarin to the masses and only let Stark in on it, figuring he would kill Stark and if the real Mandarin came around, he would go after Trevor (which he does).
** It's probably why he had Trevor play the role of the Mandarin to the masses and only let Stark in on it, figuring he would kill Stark and if the real Mandarin came around, he would go after Trevor (which he does).
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** It was basically a retcon, but I'm under the impression that Stark named it in honor of Steve. He couldn't exactly call it "STEVE", so maybe "SHIELD" was the closest he could get. Hell, according to ''Series/Agents of SHIELD'', Bucky is an honorary member.
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** It was basically a retcon, but I'm under the impression that Stark named it in honor of Steve. He couldn't exactly call it "STEVE", so maybe "SHIELD" was the closest he could get. Hell, according to ''Series/Agents of SHIELD'', ''Series/AgentsOfSHIELD'', Bucky is an honorary member.
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** In Series/AgentsOfSHIELD, it's noted that someone really wanted the initials to spell "SHIELD".
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** It was basically a retcon, but I'm under the impression that Stark named it in honor of Steve. He couldn't exactly call it "STEVE", so maybe "SHIELD" was the closest he could get. Hell, according to ''Agents ''Series/Agents of SHIELD'', Bucky is an honorary member.
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** The name was only fully said in ''Film/IronMan1'' because it was the first movie to introduce the organization, and the general audience wouldn't know what the organization is and comic fans needed to know the acronym stood for something different. While the dialogue does make it sound like the acronym hadn't been invented until the end of the movie it seems to be EarlyInstallmentWeirdness. As they hadn't fully fleshed out the MCU yet, and probably hadn't decided SHIELD would have been created right after WWII.
** In the first movie Coulson was also depicted as a kinda wimpy bureaucrat rather than the BadassNormal that he is now. Definitely EarlyInstallmentWeirdness. Or maybe Coulson just didn't know the acronym yet.
** According to a tie-in comic, Fury never noticed that the acronym was SHIELD, and the agents avoided using it because they thought he disliked it. My own theory is that they initially used the full name because they didn't know whether they could trust Pepper (if she can't remember the name of the organisation, she can't repeat it, and people are less likely to trust her about the organization if she can't repeat the full name).
** The name was only fully said in ''Film/IronMan1'' because it was the first movie to introduce the organization, and the general audience wouldn't know what the organization is and comic fans needed to know the acronym stood for something different. While the dialogue does make it sound like the acronym hadn't been invented until the end of the movie it seems to be EarlyInstallmentWeirdness. As they hadn't fully fleshed out the MCU yet, and probably hadn't decided SHIELD would have been created right after WWII.
** In the first movie Coulson was also depicted as a kinda wimpy bureaucrat rather than the BadassNormal that he is now. Definitely EarlyInstallmentWeirdness. Or maybe Coulson just didn't know the acronym yet.
** According to a tie-in comic, Fury never noticed that the acronym was SHIELD, and the agents avoided using it because they thought he disliked it. My own theory is that they initially used the full name because they didn't know whether they could trust Pepper (if she can't remember the name of the organisation, she can't repeat it, and people are less likely to trust her about the organization if she can't repeat the full name).
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** The name was only fully said in ''Film/IronMan1'' because it was the first movie to introduce the organization, and the general audience wouldn't know what the organization is and comic fans needed to know the acronym stood for something different. While the dialogue does make it sound like the acronym hadn't been invented until the end of themovie movie, it seems to be EarlyInstallmentWeirdness. As they EarlyInstallmentWeirdness: They hadn't fully fleshed out the MCU yet, and probably hadn't decided SHIELD would have been created right after WWII.
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** According to a tie-in comic, Fury never noticed that the acronym was SHIELD, and the agents avoided using it because they thought he disliked it. My own theory is that they initially used the full name because they didn't know whether they could trust Pepper (if she can't remember the name of theorganisation, organization, she can't repeat it, and people are less likely to trust her about the organization if she can't repeat the full name).
** The name was only fully said in ''Film/IronMan1'' because it was the first movie to introduce the organization, and the general audience wouldn't know what the organization is and comic fans needed to know the acronym stood for something different. While the dialogue does make it sound like the acronym hadn't been invented until the end of the
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** It was basically a retcon, but I'm under the impression that Stark named it in honour of Steve. He couldn't exactly call it "STEVE", so maybe "SHIELD" was the closest he could get. Hell, according to ''Agents of SHIELD'', Bucky is an honorary member.
* I know Killian is stupid, (really, really stupid) but did he seriously not consider the consequences of stealing the name from [[spoiler: the Mandarin]] (I mean, he didn't think he'd be dead by that point)
** He ''probably'' thought his army of supersoldiers would help him out there.
*** Unlikely, if Mandarin is anywhere near as powerful as the comics
** It's also very unlikely that he was aware that "The Mandarin" was an actual person and not just a legend.
* I know Killian is stupid, (really, really stupid) but did he seriously not consider the consequences of stealing the name from [[spoiler: the Mandarin]] (I mean, he didn't think he'd be dead by that point)
** He ''probably'' thought his army of supersoldiers would help him out there.
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** It was basically a retcon, but I'm under the impression that Stark named it in honour honor of Steve. He couldn't exactly call it "STEVE", so maybe "SHIELD" was the closest he could get. Hell, according to ''Agents of SHIELD'', Bucky is an honorary member.
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** It's also very unlikely that he was aware that "The Mandarin" was an actual person and not just a legend.
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** He ''probably'' thought his army of supersoldiers would help him out there.
** He ''probably'' thought his army of supersoldiers would help him out there.
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*** That there is what we refer to as a "joke.""
* I know Killian is stupid, (really, really stupid) but did he seriously not consider the consequences of stealing the name from [[spoiler: the Mandarin]] (I mean, he didn't think he'd be dead by that point)
* I know Killian is stupid, (really, really stupid) but did he seriously not consider the consequences of stealing the name from [[spoiler: the Mandarin]] (I mean, he didn't think he'd be dead by that point)
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*** That there is what we refer to as a "joke."
*** That there is what we refer to as a "joke."
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** According to a tie-in comic, Fury never noticed that the acronym was SHIELD, and the agents avoided using it because they thought he disliked it. My own theory is that they initially used the full name because they didn't know whether they could trust Pepper (if she can't remember the name of the organisation, she can't repeat it, and people are less likely to trust her about the organization if she can't repeat the full name).
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** According to a tie-in comic, Fury never noticed that the acronym was SHIELD, and the agents avoided using it because they thought he disliked it. My own theory is that they initially used the full name because they didn't know whether they could trust Pepper (if she can't remember the name of the organisation, she can't repeat it, and people are less likely to trust her about the organization if she can't repeat the full name).name).
** In Series/AgentsOfSHIELD, it's noted that someone really wanted the initials to spell "SHIELD".
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** In the first movie Coulson was also depicted as a kinda wimpy bureaucrat rather than the BadassNormal that he is now. Definitely EarlyInstallmentWeirdness. Or maybe Coulson just didn't know the acronym yet.
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** In the first movie Coulson was also depicted as a kinda wimpy bureaucrat rather than the BadassNormal that he is now. Definitely EarlyInstallmentWeirdness. Or maybe Coulson just didn't know the acronym yet.yet.
** According to a tie-in comic, Fury never noticed that the acronym was SHIELD, and the agents avoided using it because they thought he disliked it. My own theory is that they initially used the full name because they didn't know whether they could trust Pepper (if she can't remember the name of the organisation, she can't repeat it, and people are less likely to trust her about the organization if she can't repeat the full name).
** According to a tie-in comic, Fury never noticed that the acronym was SHIELD, and the agents avoided using it because they thought he disliked it. My own theory is that they initially used the full name because they didn't know whether they could trust Pepper (if she can't remember the name of the organisation, she can't repeat it, and people are less likely to trust her about the organization if she can't repeat the full name).
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** The name was only fully said in ''Film/IronMan1'' because it was the first movie to introduce the organization, and the general audience wouldn't know what the organization is and comic fans needed to know the acronym stood for something different. While the dialogue does make it sound like the acronym hadn't been invented until the end of the movie it seems to be EarlyInstallmentWeirdness. As they hadn't fully fleshed out the MCU yet, and probably hadn't decided SHIELD would have been created right after WWII.
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** The name was only fully said in ''Film/IronMan1'' because it was the first movie to introduce the organization, and the general audience wouldn't know what the organization is and comic fans needed to know the acronym stood for something different. While the dialogue does make it sound like the acronym hadn't been invented until the end of the movie it seems to be EarlyInstallmentWeirdness. As they hadn't fully fleshed out the MCU yet, and probably hadn't decided SHIELD would have been created right after WWII.WWII.
** In the first movie Coulson was also depicted as a kinda wimpy bureaucrat rather than the BadassNormal that he is now. Definitely EarlyInstallmentWeirdness. Or maybe Coulson just didn't know the acronym yet.
** In the first movie Coulson was also depicted as a kinda wimpy bureaucrat rather than the BadassNormal that he is now. Definitely EarlyInstallmentWeirdness. Or maybe Coulson just didn't know the acronym yet.
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** The name was only fully said in ''Film/IronMan1'' because it was the first movie to introduce the organization, and the general audience wouldn't know what the organization is and comic fans needed to know the acronym stood for something different. While the dialogue does make it sound like the acronym hadn't been invented until the end of the movie it seems to be EarlyInstallmentWeirdness. As they hadn't fully fleshed out the MCU yet.yet, and probably hadn't decided SHIELD would have been created right after WWII.
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* At the end of ''Agent Carter'', [[spoiler:how come Howard Stark refers to SHIELD by its acronym, instead of its full name?]] ''Film/IronMan1'' made me think that [[spoiler:the shortened name wouldn't have existed in the 1940s.]]]]
** The name was only fully said in ''Film/IronMan1'' because it was the first movie to introduce the organization, and the general audience wouldn't know what the organization is and comic fans needed to know the acronym stood for something different. While the dialogue does make it sound like the acronym hadn't been invented until the end of the movie it seems to be EarlyInstallmentWeirdness
** The name was only fully said in ''Film/IronMan1'' because it was the first movie to introduce the organization, and the general audience wouldn't know what the organization is and comic fans needed to know the acronym stood for something different. While the dialogue does make it sound like the acronym hadn't been invented until the end of the movie it seems to be EarlyInstallmentWeirdness
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