History Headscratchers / MalazanBookOfTheFallen

19th Jan '14 9:10:14 PM ulvok
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* Initially I felt the same way about nearly the entire last book, but there's something to be said for futility.

* The Malazans once had two very important factors which are gone at the start of the books: first was the elite mage corps, and the second was the Talon. Stealth assassins with a private pocket dimension and the best mages available to the human race made enemy mages effectively obsolete. The first book proceeds to kill most of the remaining High Mages, and by halfway through Tayschren has quit, for his own reasons. The Talon, and two of the most powerful mages, had left already. The Claw was stretched thin by this loss and then mismanaged into oblivion.

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** In addition, that scene has a brief reference to Koryk which I think means a great deal.
19th Jan '14 9:01:56 PM ulvok
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** The Elder Gods don't fight each other much because such actions tend to be cataclysmic. Can there be such a thing as a subdued asskicking? For example, the mere existence of Tiam on Wu was implied to be the end of the world. Anomander can't so much as put his sword down without threatening to kill the Gaia-analogue. Erikson also studiously does not conserve ninjutsu, meaning Ruin or Rake going to fight virtually anyone would be rapid and without contest. Rake's one real sword duel in the entire series is with a demigod. Karsa spends a lot of time beating up on mooks and monsters; nobody else is really given that chance.
30th Mar '13 7:25:14 AM StFan
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Granted, with LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters, not everyone's going to get a YouShallNotPass or [[TheLastDance Last Dance]]. But really, I haven't read a death that felt as tacked-on as [[spoiler: Trull Sengar's]] since [[spoiler:Lupin and Tonks]] in ''[[HarryPotter/HarryPotterAndTheDeathlyHallows Deathly Hallows.]]'' Even [[spoiler:Dujek Onearm]] got a better death... and he died off screen in his sick bed.
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Granted, with LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters, not everyone's going to get a YouShallNotPass or [[TheLastDance Last Dance]]. But really, I haven't read a death that felt as tacked-on as [[spoiler: Trull Sengar's]] since [[spoiler:Lupin and Tonks]] in ''[[HarryPotter/HarryPotterAndTheDeathlyHallows ''[[Literature/HarryPotterAndTheDeathlyHallows Deathly Hallows.]]'' Even [[spoiler:Dujek Onearm]] got a better death... and he died off screen in his sick bed.
25th Nov '12 1:53:19 AM Derkhan
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I may have missed or forgotten something but I feel confusion about Quick Ben's and Shadowthrone's relation. In Gardens of the Moon its stated that Quick Ben was once a high rank member in the cult of shadow (maybe even High Priest, I am not sure at the moment). But his backstory revealed in later books shows that he joined Bridgeburners and met [[spoiler: Kellenaved]] before he Ascended. Shadow cult as such existed before ascension of Shadowthrone but dialogue in The Gardens of the Moon seem to idicate that Quick Ben was still part of it when Shadowthrone came into power. Am I missing something or is this an actual plothole?
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I may have missed or forgotten something but I feel confusion about Quick Ben's and Shadowthrone's relation. In Gardens of the Moon its stated that Quick Ben was once a high rank member in the cult of shadow (maybe even High Priest, I am not sure at the moment). But his backstory revealed in later books shows that he joined Bridgeburners and met [[spoiler: Kellenaved]] before he Ascended. Shadow cult as such existed before ascension of Shadowthrone but dialogue in The Gardens of the Moon seem to idicate that Quick Ben was still part of it when Shadowthrone came into power. Am I missing something or is this an actual plothole?plothole? * Quick Ben left the cult of Shadow when [[spoiler: Kellanved]] ascended. The latter was pissed because he lost the potentially most powerful priest he would have had.
25th Nov '12 1:50:17 AM Derkhan
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* His physical body had to be killed in order for his soul to be able to go back to his own world.

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* [[spoiler:Fener]] already was vulnerable after DG. Destroying the possibly last object he was worshipped with might have been the last straw needed to kill him.
17th Sep '12 11:28:12 AM Perzyn
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I may have missed or forgotten something but I feel confusion about Quick Ben's and Shadowthrone's relation. In Gardens of the Moon its stated that Quick Ben was once a high rank member in the cult of shadow (maybe even High Priest, I am not sure at the moment). But his backstory revealed in later books shows that he joined Bridgeburners and men [[spoiler: Kellenaved]] before he Ascended. Shadow cult as such existed before ascension of Shadowthrone but dialogue in The Gardens of the Moon seem to idicate that Quick Ben was still part of it when Shadowthrone came into power. Am I missing something or is this an actual plothole?
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I may have missed or forgotten something but I feel confusion about Quick Ben's and Shadowthrone's relation. In Gardens of the Moon its stated that Quick Ben was once a high rank member in the cult of shadow (maybe even High Priest, I am not sure at the moment). But his backstory revealed in later books shows that he joined Bridgeburners and men met [[spoiler: Kellenaved]] before he Ascended. Shadow cult as such existed before ascension of Shadowthrone but dialogue in The Gardens of the Moon seem to idicate that Quick Ben was still part of it when Shadowthrone came into power. Am I missing something or is this an actual plothole?
17th Sep '12 11:26:02 AM Perzyn
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I may have missed or forgotten something but I feel confusion about Quick Ben's and Shadowthrone's relation. In Gardens of the Moon its stated that Quick Ben was once a high rank member in the cult of shadow (maybe even High Priest, I am not sure at the moment). But his backstory revealed in later books shows that he joined Bridgeburners and men [[spoiler: Kellenaved]] before he Ascended. Shadow cult as such existed before ascension of Shadowthrone but dialogue in The Gardens of the Moon seem to idicate that Quick Ben was still part of it when Shadowthrone came into power. Am I missing something or is this an actual plothole?
4th Aug '12 6:32:46 PM Freezer
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'''MASSIVE SPOILER FOR ''THE CRIPPLED GOD'' BELOW''' ... ... ... ... ... Maybe the reason was lost within the mass of text, or it was in one of the side stories... but why did Cotillion kill The Crippled God? Why didn't they just let him go home? For that matter, it wasn't clear to me what Karsa Orlong did that killed Fener...
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'''MASSIVE SPOILER FOR ''THE CRIPPLED GOD'' BELOW''' ... ... ... ... ... Maybe the reason was lost within the mass of text, or it was in one of the side stories... but why did Cotillion kill The [[spoiler:The Crippled God? God]]? Why didn't they just let him go home? For that matter, it wasn't clear to me what Karsa Orlong did that killed Fener...[[spoiler:Fener]]...
4th Aug '12 6:31:06 PM Freezer
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4th Aug '12 6:30:26 PM Freezer
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<<|ItJustBugsMe|>> '''MASSIVE SPOILER FOR ''THE CRIPPLED GOD'' BELOW''' Maybe the reason was lost within the mass of text, or it was in one of the side stories... but why did Cotillion kill The Crippled God? Why didn't they just let him go home? For that matter, it wasn't clear to me what Karsa Orlong did that killed Fener... ----
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