History Headscratchers / MASH

22nd Sep '16 11:56:33 AM ShorinBJ
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* In "The Billfold Syndrome", Charles decides to stop talking to people entirely. He seems to manage okay without his words, gesturing to the food he wants in the chow line and such. But one thing that never came up before Hawkeye and BJ cracked him: What would he have done in surgery? I can't see him being allowed to continue his silence, not when he'd need to communicate what instruments he needs quickly and efficiently.
14th Sep '16 12:26:50 AM ShorinBJ
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* Why does anyone stick up for Frank Burns, ''ever''? Right from the novel, he was an incompetent surgeon, a moron, and a jerkass. This continues through the movie and the TV series. Any hint of him being competent, any PetTheDog moment, was just a hiccup in his overall characterization, in which he was shown again and again and again to be a bungler, a mental gnat, and an asshole with absolutely NO redeeming qualities.
13th Sep '16 12:03:27 PM ShorinBJ
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*** Putting Frank in danger by replacing his gun with gag items? Give me a break. That idiot didn't need a gun and really ought not to have one, especially considering he shot BJ once by accident. He also shot himself with a stolen gun.

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*** Putting Frank in danger by replacing his gun with gag items? Give me a break. That idiot didn't need a gun and really ought not to have one, especially considering he shot BJ once by accident. He also shot himself with a stolen gun. And shot out a light accidentally. And brought a gun along to meet the Chinese when the entire deal rested on the agreement that they would not have guns. Not to mention, in that very episode, how did Frank discover his gun had been replaced by various items? Every time, he noticed when he pulled whatever was in his holster out ''and started waving it around like the moron he was.'' The first time, he apparently realized he was holding a water gun only when he pulled the trigger. Does anyone want to argue that Frank should at any time have been trusted with a firearm?
7th Sep '16 6:55:18 PM ShorinBJ
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* Why did the army assign a Catholic chaplain to the 4077th? there's almost no Catholics there, at least among the main cast. Hawkeye is referred to as an agnostic (by Mulcahy, who presumably should know) on at least once occasion. Trapper specified that he wasn't Catholic, Blake belongs to a country club that bans Catholics, Klinger says he's an atheist, Radar's a Protestant of some kind, Potter's a Methodist, Winchester's a Presbyterian, and Burns points to the fact that there was a Catholic in his neighborhood as evidence that it wasn't "restricted", inferring he wasn't one. The only ambiguous ones left are Margaret Houlihan (who could possibly be Catholic due to her Irish ethnicity) and BJ. There are also several hints that Mulcahy is the only Catholic in the camp: No one turns up to his services except Klinger, who only wants a chance to show off his white gloves (although this might be due to apathy from the Catholics) and once when there was a Catholics v Protestants football game, Mulcahy was tackled by a group of men and seemed to be the only person on his team. What gives?

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* Why did the army assign a Catholic chaplain to the 4077th? there's almost no Catholics there, at least among the main cast. Hawkeye is referred to as an agnostic (by Mulcahy, who presumably should know) on at least once occasion. Trapper specified that he wasn't Catholic, Blake belongs to a country club that bans Catholics, Klinger says he's an atheist, Radar's a Protestant of some kind, Potter's a Methodist, Winchester's a Presbyterian, and Burns points to the fact that there was a Catholic in his neighborhood as evidence that it wasn't "restricted", inferring implying he wasn't one. The only ambiguous ones left are Margaret Houlihan (who could possibly be Catholic due to her Irish ethnicity) and BJ. There are also several hints that Mulcahy is the only Catholic in the camp: No one turns up to his services except Klinger, who only wants a chance to show off his white gloves (although this might be due to apathy from the Catholics) and once when there was a Catholics v Protestants football game, Mulcahy was tackled by a group of men and seemed to be the only person on his team. What gives?


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**** "Allah" is simply Arabic for "God." Arabic Christians and Jews call their version of God "Allah." It's only in the West that we've come to associate the word with Islam.
7th Sep '16 6:11:39 PM ShorinBJ
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--->'''Hawkeye''': Henry, you have no ''idea'' what it's like living with a guy who think he's all twelve disciples!
7th Sep '16 6:07:20 PM ShorinBJ
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**** Hawkeye got lurid and offensive ''after'' her pants were down. Then she yells at him and the respect thing comes up, and he acknowledges it and suggests she try it on her mother-in-law-to-be. Then he says, "You want to do me?" because he's allergic to seriousness.
7th Sep '16 6:00:05 PM ShorinBJ
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** I recently rewatched the series and have a theory about the various ranks of the doctors. It doesn't quite make sense from a military standpoint, but it's possible they were given ranks based on their experience. Hawkeye, Trapper, and BJ are mentioned as being relatively young, Hawkeye working in a hospital (I believe in Boston, which raises the question of how he never met Charles if it was Boston General like I remember), with BJ stated as fresh out of residency when he comes to the unit in "Welcome to Korea". Frank apparently is a bit older, having had a private practice for several years. Charles was also a practicing surgeon for quite some time and was apparently a high-profile surgeon, being in the running for chief of thorasic surgery at Boston General. Henry Blake apparently had been a practicing doctor and surgeon for decades, saying at one point that he doesn't think there's anyone in Bloomington, IL that he hasn't seen naked. Blake also seems to be getting on in years, with arthritis starting to affect his performance and the middle-age spread starting to come in. Potter obviously is regular army and made his way up through the ranks the old-fashioned way. It's hard to tell just by looking at the characters because of the various ages of the actors - BJ looks to be older than Hawkeye, even though later in the series Hawkeye's moved from black hair to salt-and-pepper, with more salt than pepper. Plus we never find out exactly how old most of the characters are, although with a bit of math you can figure out Potter's age.

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** I recently rewatched the series and have a theory about the various ranks of the doctors. It doesn't quite make sense from a military standpoint, but it's possible they were given ranks based on their experience. Hawkeye, Trapper, and BJ are mentioned as being relatively young, Hawkeye working in a hospital (I believe in Boston, which raises the question of how he never met Charles if it was Boston General like I remember), with BJ stated as fresh out of residency when he comes to the unit in "Welcome to Korea". Frank apparently is a bit older, having had a private practice for several years. Charles was also a practicing surgeon for quite some time and was apparently a high-profile surgeon, being in the running for chief of thorasic thoracic surgery at Boston General. Henry Blake apparently had been a practicing doctor and surgeon for decades, saying at one point that he doesn't think there's anyone in Bloomington, IL that he hasn't seen naked. Blake also seems to be getting on in years, with arthritis starting to affect his performance and the middle-age spread starting to come in. Potter obviously is regular army and made his way up through the ranks the old-fashioned way. It's hard to tell just by looking at the characters because of the various ages of the actors - BJ looks to be older than Hawkeye, even though later in the series Hawkeye's moved from black hair to salt-and-pepper, with more salt than pepper. Plus we never find out exactly how old most of the characters are, although with a bit of math you can figure out Potter's age.



*** But until that episode there never was any indication that she would say yes if they offered as before then Houlihan was shown to be ''very'' conscious of rank and tried not to associate with the enlisted men if she didn't have to. The nurse's actions ''are'' largely justified as her character didn't start to ''really'' soften until after this episode.

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*** But until that episode there never was any indication that she would say yes if they offered as before then Houlihan was shown to be ''very'' conscious of rank and tried not to associate with the enlisted men if she didn't have to. The nurse's nurses' actions ''are'' largely justified as her character didn't start to ''really'' soften until after this episode.



*** Still though, in her rant she complains about her nurses cooking in the tent and using hydrogen peroxide to bleach their hair, both things she has been seen doing on screen on multiple occasions.

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*** ** Still though, in her rant she complains about her nurses cooking in the tent and using hydrogen peroxide to bleach their hair, both things she has been seen doing on screen on multiple occasions.
** I kind of got the feeling that most of her mistreatment of the nurses stemmed from Frank. Like Frank would ask for an instrument in surgery, and on being handed it, berate the nurse for giving it to him instead of what he should have asked for. Then the nurse would roll her eyes or something and Margaret would punish her.
3rd Aug '16 8:46:53 AM ShorinBJ
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** There were two voice actors who did the PA announcements. Both had single-episode appearances: one as a solider who needed a nose job, the other as the patient on the table when Hawkeye pantses Winchester in the OR.

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** There were two voice actors who did the PA announcements. Both had single-episode appearances: one as a solider soldier who needed a nose job, the other as the patient on the table when Hawkeye pantses Winchester in the OR.



**** Potter tricked him into screwing up. Most likely if Klinger had stuck to his story, Potter wouldn't have sent him home. It isn't as if he's a psychiatrist who can diagnose Klinger.



**** Another trick by Potter, who probably wouldn't have sent him home if it hadn't worked.



*** Getting out that way can be hit or miss. And he couldn't object based on the fact that he was morally opposed to killing people; he worked in a hospital where he didn't have to. Objecting to being peripherally part of a war in which other people were killing would be pretty flimsy.



*** Was that really ''his'' tent? Didn't he sleep in the stockroom.

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*** Was that really ''his'' tent? Didn't he sleep in the stockroom.stockroom?




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**** Which may have been his version of a middle finger, so....Who knows?



*** I think it's pretty well established that BJ was just as good as Hawkeye and Trapper.



*** And there was something about how he had been in private practice while Hawkeye and Trapper were in residency. Someone in the army who didn't know better might have taken that to mean Frank was senior to them in terms of medical experience, not realizing he'd skipped doing a residency to go into private practice.



*** With Henry in the series, his medals show a WWII service medal but no campaign medals, which might indicate he was either drafted or called up in the last few months of WWII, and completed his training just before VJ Day, and remianed in the reserves long after, but in the movie, he mentions being on active duty before the Pearl Harbour attack, which would require a dedication to the army.

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*** With Henry in the series, his medals show a WWII service medal but no campaign medals, which might indicate he was either drafted or called up in the last few months of WWII, and completed his training just before VJ Day, and remianed remained in the reserves long after, but in the movie, he mentions being on active duty before the Pearl Harbour attack, which would require a dedication to the army.



*** In "Sometimes You Hear The Bullet" Frank is explicitly said to be a Reservist when he's presented with his Purple Earring (since Hawkeye stole the medal for the wounded underage kid). Presumably that's why he was entitled to a higher rank despite having all the surgical skill of a back-alley butcher. The series-version Henry's qualifications are still in question.

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*** In "Sometimes You Hear The Bullet" Frank is explicitly said to be a Reservist when he's presented with his Purple Earring Heart (since Hawkeye stole the medal for the wounded underage kid). Presumably that's why he was entitled to a higher rank despite having all the surgical skill of a back-alley butcher. The series-version Henry's qualifications are still in question.




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** It might not be that unrealistic. I mean, think of all the debauchery going on. Not to mention the death and destruction. With all that going on around them, it's probably pretty easy to look at a gay soldier and go, "Meh."
24th Jul '16 7:56:19 PM Beatlemania
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* This show made Korea look so backwards. I'm no expert on Korea, but I know South Korea is now one of the Four Asian Tigers. Was it really Amish-Land in the early '50s?

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* This show made Korea look so backwards. I'm no expert on Korea, but I know South Korea UsefulNotes/{{South Korea}} is now one of the Four Asian Tigers. Was it really Amish-Land in the early '50s?



*** The only place shown to be "backwards" (i.e. poor, farming communities) was the immediate area surrounding the 4077th and the Korean countryside. Seoul was never shown, but sounded like a large metropolitan city (because it is) and the place you want to go to when you go on leave if you can't get to Tokyo (which is the Las Vegas of the east).

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*** The only place shown to be "backwards" (i.e. poor, farming communities) was the immediate area surrounding the 4077th and the Korean countryside. Seoul UsefulNotes/{{Seoul}} was never shown, but sounded like a large metropolitan city (because it is) and the place you want to go to when you go on leave if you can't get to Tokyo UsefulNotes/{{Tokyo}} (which is the Las Vegas UsefulNotes/{{Las Vegas}} of the east).
14th Jul '16 10:49:13 AM CrypticMirror
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** Why didn't Klinger claim to be a conscientious objector?
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