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*** I am unsure what you mean by writing mistake? Daisy and her team of Inhumans had to sign up because they were super powered American assets of a intelligence agency working out of the US. While the accords were written originally for the Avengers. In [[Series/AgentsOfSHIELD Agents of Shield its powers were broadened due to the influx of Inhumans on the world stage.]] As for the Netflix series they were always part of the main continuity. As shown in season two of [[Series/JessicaJones Jessica Jones when they mentioned having the option of putting Alisa in the Raft.]]

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*** I am unsure what you mean by writing mistake? Daisy and her team of Inhumans had to sign up because they were super powered American assets of a intelligence agency working out of the US. While the accords were written originally for the Avengers. In [[Series/AgentsOfSHIELD Agents of Shield its powers were broadened due to the influx of Inhumans on the world stage.]] As for the Netflix series they were always part of the main continuity. As shown in season two of [[Series/JessicaJones [[Series/JessicaJones2015 Jessica Jones when they mentioned having the option of putting Alisa in the Raft.]]



*** Actually the Accords also prohibit any super powered beings committing crimes or vigilantism. They have protocols with dealing with such individuals which is [[Series/JessicaJones why the cops talked about Alisa Jones going to the Raft.]] By definition the [[Series/TheDefenders2017 Defenders each or together are in violation of the accords.]] It doesn’t matter if you incognito, or keep to yourself. While Matt works incognito he is a super power vigilante breaking the accords. Violation of the accords leads to punishment which is the main point of the headscratcher. The accords exist in the Netflix version of the series as shown, then the consequences should apply to our heroes. In fact its surprising Luke’s beating of Cockroach didn’t get him slammed with violations of the Accord and sent to the raft.

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*** Actually the Accords also prohibit any super powered beings committing crimes or vigilantism. They have protocols with dealing with such individuals which is [[Series/JessicaJones [[Series/JessicaJones2015 why the cops talked about Alisa Jones going to the Raft.]] By definition the [[Series/TheDefenders2017 Defenders each or together are in violation of the accords.]] It doesn’t matter if you incognito, or keep to yourself. While Matt works incognito he is a super power vigilante breaking the accords. Violation of the accords leads to punishment which is the main point of the headscratcher. The accords exist in the Netflix version of the series as shown, then the consequences should apply to our heroes. In fact its surprising Luke’s beating of Cockroach didn’t get him slammed with violations of the Accord and sent to the raft.



*** That’s actually something that should [[Film/SpidermanHomecoming be brought up in the headscratcher page for that page.]] Also in the accords it does not state what level the accords work on. [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin It states ANY enhanced individuals that use their powers to break the law INCLUDING taking part in extra-legal vigilante activates. As well deemed a threat to the public in general are not only accountable to the accords but can be detained without legal representation or trail.]] In short it does not have a bar, or line. If you’re super powered, you break the accords you are accountable to them. Peter may be protected due to his relationship to Tony Stark one of the creators of the accords, as pointed out that’s for his page to discuss. But Luke and Matt are not. Also it’s not about overly committing to the details, if Netflix has added its existence to the show. Then plot holes are bound to happen and questioned when our heroes are in violation of it. The head scratcher is the inconsistency. [[Series/JessicaJones In Jessica Jones Alisa loses her rights and faces time on the raft for her actions.]] But the [[Series/TheDefenders2017 committing assault, minor crimes, connected to a bombing downtown and assault]] but not being investigated for it.

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*** That’s actually something that should [[Film/SpidermanHomecoming be brought up in the headscratcher page for that page.]] Also in the accords it does not state what level the accords work on. [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin It states ANY enhanced individuals that use their powers to break the law INCLUDING taking part in extra-legal vigilante activates. As well deemed a threat to the public in general are not only accountable to the accords but can be detained without legal representation or trail.]] In short it does not have a bar, or line. If you’re super powered, you break the accords you are accountable to them. Peter may be protected due to his relationship to Tony Stark one of the creators of the accords, as pointed out that’s for his page to discuss. But Luke and Matt are not. Also it’s not about overly committing to the details, if Netflix has added its existence to the show. Then plot holes are bound to happen and questioned when our heroes are in violation of it. The head scratcher is the inconsistency. [[Series/JessicaJones [[Series/JessicaJones2015 In Jessica Jones Alisa loses her rights and faces time on the raft for her actions.]] But the [[Series/TheDefenders2017 committing assault, minor crimes, connected to a bombing downtown and assault]] but not being investigated for it.
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** The cops don't see Luke Cage as a universal force for good, and to be honest they shouldn't. He is by definition a vigilante (i.e. a criminal) and he hasn't even come to terms with what it means to be a hero or even how to properly use his powers. In their eyes, he is a ticking time bomb that they can do nothing about, and an egotistical one at that, given that he's got his own smartphone app and D.W. is making money uploading Website/YouTube videos of him in action. The superheroes who have the most interactions with the NYPD (Matt, Luke, and Jessica) aren't universally praised as good guys. They're just powered people who usually use their powers to help people, but also sometimes beat people to within an inch of their life (which is against the law).
** Another factor is that the Police and the public, [[TruthInTelevision especially the black community don't have the best relationship]]. In the end Harlem respect and trust Luke more than them. Relied on him more than them and that makes them look bad. Not to mention to them Luke Cage is still a convict that was mixed up with multiple deaths including one cop. While no fault of his own to some of them it would feel like he operated above the law and flaunted it. Especially since their public image has taken a beating [[Series/Daredevil2015 with exposed police corruption]], failure to [[Series/ThePunisher stop the Punisher and internal scandals.]] To see him get taken down a notch would heal some of their wounded pride despite their misplaced anger.

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** The cops don't see Luke Cage as a universal force for good, and to be honest they shouldn't. He is by definition a vigilante (i.e. a criminal) and he hasn't even come to terms with what it means to be a hero or even how to properly use his powers. In their eyes, he is a ticking time bomb that they can do nothing about, and an egotistical one at that, given that he's got his own smartphone app and D.W. is making money uploading Website/YouTube videos of him in action. The superheroes who have the most interactions with the NYPD (Matt, Luke, and Jessica) aren't universally praised as good guys. They're just powered people who usually use their powers to help people, but also sometimes beat people to within an inch of their life (which is against the law).
law). ''Daredevil'' even showed how this could be used against them, seeing as season 3 of that show had Fisk dress Dex up in a Daredevil costume to commit crimes that tarnished Matt's reputation.
** Another factor thing to consider is that relations between the Police police and both the public and the public, [[TruthInTelevision especially press are not that great, and moreso in the black community don't have communities, in light of recent controversial police-on-black violence (both real life events as well as events like the best relationship]]. In aggressive crackdowns that ensued after Diamondback killed Officer Albini). For the end most part, the people of Harlem respect and trust Luke more than them. Relied Relying on him more than them the police, and that makes them the NYPD look bad. Not to mention to them mention, those in the NYPD who aren't in the Luke Cage is still a convict that was fan club know Luke as an ex-convict that's been mixed up with multiple in the deaths including one cop. of two police officers (Scarfe and Albini) and the destruction of a Midtown skyscraper. While no fault of his own own, to some of them the cops, it would feel like he operated Luke operates above the law and flaunted flaunts it. Especially since It doesn't help the NYPD that in addition to the deteriorated relationships with the black community, their public image has also taken a beating [[Series/Daredevil2015 with between the amount of police corruption that was exposed police corruption]], failure to [[Series/ThePunisher stop when Wilson Fisk was arrested, more corruption that was exposed with Scarfe's death, their failures in stopping the Punisher Punisher, and other internal scandals.]] scandals. To see him Luke get taken down a notch would heal notch, in their minds, heals some of their wounded pride despite their misplaced anger.



Fast forward to the next day. When Comanche puts the viral video on the TV in Mariah's office, right after the close-up of Bushmaster's face, the camera cuts to a lingering shot of Shades staring at the screen. He recognizes Bushmaster from the meeting the previous day. What really grabs his attention is the part where Bushmaster says to Luke upon sneak-attacking him, "Harlem is not your yard, boy, it's ''mine''." To an ignorant observer who doesn't know about the nature of organized crime in Harlem, this means nothing. Except, Shades also recalls that when he met Bushmaster and introduced himself Mariah Dillard's representative, Bushmaster corrected him, "[[InsistentTerminology STOKES, Mariah Stokes]]." To Shades, who is pretty good at remembering details, the fact that Bushmaster insisted on referring to Mariah by her birth name rather than her married name tells him that Bushmaster harbors a grudge against Mariah for something that happened before she was ever married to Jackson Dillard. So he concludes that Bushmaster hadn't killed Nigel over leadership differences, but because he was after Mariah over that earlier beef. He also points out that a man who can defeat Luke Cage singlehandedly would not need henchmen or all of Mariah's guns for that matter, unless he wants to make sure that Mariah is unable to fight back.

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Fast forward to the next day. When Comanche puts the viral video on the TV in Mariah's office, right after the close-up of Bushmaster's face, the camera cuts to a lingering shot of Shades staring at the screen. He recognizes Bushmaster from the meeting the previous day. What really grabs his attention is the part where Bushmaster says to Luke upon sneak-attacking him, "Harlem is not your yard, boy, it's ''mine''." To an ignorant observer who doesn't know about the nature of organized crime in Harlem, this means nothing. Except, Shades also recalls that when he met Bushmaster and introduced himself as Mariah Dillard's representative, Bushmaster corrected him, "[[InsistentTerminology STOKES, Mariah Stokes]]." To Shades, who is pretty good at remembering details, the fact that Bushmaster insisted on referring to Mariah by her birth name rather than her married name tells him that Bushmaster harbors a grudge against Mariah for something that happened before she was ever married to Jackson Dillard. So he concludes that Bushmaster hadn't killed Nigel over leadership differences, but because he was after Mariah over that earlier beef. He also points out that a man who can defeat Luke Cage singlehandedly would not need henchmen or all of Mariah's guns for that matter, unless he wants to make sure that Mariah is unable to fight back.



** Not really. He's using Comanche as a mole to get information about Mariah's crime ring. His deal with Mariah was protection from Bushmaster in exchange for cooperation. It's weird that Ridenhour, as a Captain, would be personally handling this himself, but he himself said he had to go off the books like Misty to get result. It won't make the investigation null if found out. However, Misty is right that it's still letting Mariah off easy even if it's in order to arrest Shades and Bushmaster, and his past history with Mariah from their school days makes for a conflict of interest.

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** Not really. He's using Comanche as a mole to get information about Mariah's crime ring. His deal with Mariah was protection from Bushmaster in exchange for cooperation. It's weird that Ridenhour, as a Captain, would be personally handling this himself, but he himself said he had to go off the books like Misty to get result.results. It won't make the investigation null if found out. However, Misty is right that it's still letting Mariah off easy even if it's in order to arrest Shades and Bushmaster, and his past history with Mariah from their school days makes for a conflict of interest.



** That arm is decades ahead of any real-life prosthetic. No real prosthetic arm is durable, agile, and responsive enough to box with, while also having fingers quick and dextrous enough to type on a computer (real prosthetics are mostly akin to what Curtis Hoyle has in ''The Punisher''). Who says it can’t be waterproof as well (and beyond the IP67 rating that most smartphones have)?

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** That arm is decades ahead of any real-life prosthetic. No real prosthetic arm is durable, agile, and responsive enough to box with, while also having fingers quick and dextrous enough to type on a computer (real computer. Most prosthetics are mostly akin to what more like the prosthetic leg that Curtis Hoyle has in ''The Punisher'').Punisher''. Who says it can’t be waterproof as well (and beyond the IP67 rating that most smartphones have)?
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** For what it's worth, a ''Series/{{Runaways}}'' character tells her parents that they "...haven't had a date night since the Obama Administration." in a way that sounds like it had been several years.

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** For what it's worth, a ''Series/{{Runaways}}'' ''Series/Runaways2017'' character tells her parents that they "...haven't had a date night since the Obama Administration." in a way that sounds like it had been several years.

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**Luke's not a lawyer, and Nadeem's case was a particularly unusual one (plus Fisk had much more influence than the Stokes).



***"They would not hesitate to go after Luke seeing as they helped forged the accords and policing it in their own backyard would be a priority." Except Luke garners a lot of good press with Harlem as seen at the start of ''Luke Cage'' season 2. No way the government will want to try this for fear of angering the public.







*** The Sokovia Accords are a framework for accountability for enhanced or powered individuals that work for government agencies, or on behalf of a government, or legitimate organizations, or otherwise share responsibility with the aforementioned. Therefore it applies to The Avengers, anyone working for SHIELD, or indexed and watched by SHIELD, and anyone else that might fall into the above categories. '''Street-level vigilantes DO NOT fall into its remit''', thus Spider-Man, or any of the Defenders, would not be required to sign the Accords, although, vigilantism is still a crime, so they could fall afoul of the law for any other number of reasons. They mention the Accords several times in ''Homecoming'', but Spidey's not affected by them because he's not an Avenger or works with the government. Of course, at the same time, do realize that ''Agents of SHIELD'' (the ones who retconned the Accords into being a superhero registration act) don't really care what the movies do except as a tie in, and frequently makes up its own rules outside of the films. The TV and movie sides don't actually coordinate, as is obvious from a lot of ''Agents of SHIELD'''s history and how they handled the Inhumans plot. The Netflix shows have a solid independent themes/story to them that I wouldn't want interrupted by trying to incorporate this thing that's not been alluded to at all in the Netflix universe.
*** Actually '''Street-level vigilantes DO fall into its remit''' due to one simple factor and one of the reasons [[Series/TheDefenders2017 it applies to the Defenders in general.]] [[SuperRegistrationAct ANY enhanced individuals who use their powers and abilities to break the law (including those who take part in extra-legal vigilante activities, or are otherwise deemed a threat to public safety are accountable to the accords. May be detained indefinitely without trail.]] Such as the case of Alisa. ANY enhanced individuals are accountable when they take actions that are deemed against the accords. It does not state you have to be at this level of enhanced or level of function. ANY enhanced individual that breaks the accord. While Netflix has played fast and loose timeline wise originally. But now have showed more connection between the shows and movies. This is shown more [[Series/JessicaJones when in Jessica Jones Alisa faced punishment under the same accords that apply to the Defenders as well.]] It’s not about wanting the story to be interrupted, but a plot hole is still a plot hole. If the writers were going to have a token showing of the accords affecting those with super powers. Then at least a token showing of government interest or consequence due to the Defenders actions as well should be expected.

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*** The Sokovia Accords are a framework for accountability for enhanced or powered individuals that work for government agencies, or on behalf of a government, or legitimate organizations, or otherwise share responsibility with the aforementioned. Therefore it applies to The Avengers, anyone working for SHIELD, or indexed and watched by SHIELD, and anyone else that might fall into the above categories. '''Street-level vigilantes DO NOT fall into its remit''', thus Spider-Man, or any of the Defenders, would not be required to sign the Accords, although, Accords. Although, vigilantism is still a crime, so they could fall afoul of the law for any other number of reasons. They mention the Accords several times in ''Homecoming'', but Spidey's not affected by them because he's not an Avenger or works with the government. Of course, at the same time, do realize that ''Agents of SHIELD'' (the ones who retconned the Accords into being a superhero registration act) don't really care what the movies do except as a tie in, and frequently makes up its own rules outside of the films. The TV and movie sides don't actually coordinate, as is obvious from a lot of ''Agents of SHIELD'''s history and how they handled the Inhumans plot. The Netflix shows have a solid independent themes/story to them that I wouldn't want interrupted by trying to incorporate this thing that's not been alluded to at all in the Netflix universe.
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*** Actually '''Street-level street-level vigilantes DO fall into its remit''' remit due to one simple factor and one of the reasons [[Series/TheDefenders2017 it applies to the Defenders in general.]] [[SuperRegistrationAct ANY enhanced individuals who use their powers and abilities to break the law (including those who take part in extra-legal vigilante activities, or are otherwise deemed a threat to public safety are accountable to the accords. May be detained indefinitely without trail.]] Such as the case of Alisa. ANY enhanced Jessica's mother and Trish. Enhanced individuals are accountable when they take actions that are deemed against the accords. It does not state you have to be at this level of enhanced or level of function. ANY enhanced individual that breaks the accord. While Netflix has played fast and loose timeline wise originally. But now have showed more connection between the shows and movies. This is shown more [[Series/JessicaJones when in Jessica Jones Alisa faced punishment under the same accords that apply is temporarily incarcerated in ''Jessica Jones'' season 2, and when Trish is sent to the Defenders as well.]] Raft in season 3. It’s not about wanting the story to be interrupted, but a plot hole is still a plot hole. If the writers were going to have a token showing of the accords affecting those with super powers. Then at least a token showing of government interest or consequence due to the Defenders actions as well should be expected.
***Sokovia Accords are an ''international'' agreement. They have less than zero jurisdiction locally. After all, that would totally violate sovereignty, and there's no way a coalition of independent nations would ever let said union dictate the laws of its member states. That'd be totally tyrannical and undemocratic. And for that matter, can you ''prove'' someone is an enhanced individual? For example, Matt's super-senses manifested ''before'' he met Stick, therefore, they are not a result of his training. In this regard, they would count as a "superpower" or "enhancement". You know that, I know that, Matt knows that, Stick knows that. But can a court prove that the guy who beats the shit out of muggers has a superpower when, to the eye of a casual observer, he just goes to the gym a lot? While ''Jessica Jones'' season 3 shows that enhanced individuals don't necessarily get the same right to due process (which itself is a Constitutional violation to save for another thread), you still have to ''prove'' they are enhanced. Trish could be proven as enhanced because people caught her on camera jumping from a 4th floor. Luke's super-strength is also hard to prove. And you can't prove super-hearing.



*** Pretty much. The thing here is that the films, ''Agents of SHIELD'', and the Netflix shows have nothing to do with each other outside of small references. How each handles the Accords, and that's assuming the Netflix shows actually did use them at any point, will naturally be different from one another. In that respect, the MCU is just like the original Marvel Universe. Crossovers happen, and TheVerse overall is the same, but trying to make too much sense of it all takes away from enjoying the content.

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*** Pretty much. The thing here is that the films, ''Agents of SHIELD'', and the Netflix shows have nothing to do with each other outside of small references. How each handles the Accords, and that's assuming the Netflix shows actually did use them at any point, will naturally be different from one another. In that respect, the MCU is just like the original Marvel Universe. Crossovers happen, and TheVerse overall is the same, but trying to make too much sense of it all takes away from enjoying the content. While Trish gets sent to the Raft in ''Jessica Jones'' season 3, the way characters like Detective Costa talk infers that laws passed by the federal government, not the UN, are the ones responsible for putting her in the Raft.



** Misty's words when they're arresting Shades imply that he's going to take the fall for everything that they never got a chance to prosecute Mariah for.

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** Misty's words when they're arresting Shades imply that he's going to take the fall for everything that they never got a chance to prosecute Mariah for. had set something up on her own to incriminate Shades in all of the crimes he was a party to.



** There's also a street cred factor -- the goons don't want it to look like they just gave up. The goons at the drug lab in the first episode say, "Hey, they gotta know we tried, man!" in response to Luke's exasperated "Really, guys?"

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** There's also a street cred factor -- the goons factor. Thugs don't want it to look like they cowards who just gave up. The goons up at the sight of Luke Cage. That's why the guys at the drug lab in the cold open to the first episode say, "Hey, they gotta know we tried, man!" in response to Luke's exasperated "Really, guys?"
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** Shades killed Comanche, his prison lover, just a few days ago. Not only that, but at Gwen's, the people Mariah killed were primarily innocents whose only crime was being in the wrong place at the wrong time. When they were holed up in the barbershop, Shades confides in Comanche that he hopes cozying up to Mariah will give him the opportunity to do more than grunt work, becoming a smooth white collar criminal with money and girls, as he puts it. Then Mariah kills a bunch of mostly innocent people. When they learn from a newscast that Ingrid is still alive, Mariah tasks Shades with killing her. Ingrid is an older relative not in the game but is openly aware of her family's criminal activities, kinda like Comanche's mom Janice (not to mention, as an old school gangster, Shades seems to have the same belief that Ben Urich's old mafia contact in ''Daredevil'' season 1 had: "leave the gangster's non-criminal family members out of this"). He thought Mariah was above that, but she's proven that she can be as cold as Diamondback when the chips are down. He expected her to use the restaurant's info smarter than just "kill everyone". His idea was probably that they were only going to kill a few people who had a DIRECT affiliation with Bushmaster (just Stephanie, Anansi, and Gwen), let everyone else there live, and then Bushmaster would respond. Not to mention, innocent people were killed in the massacre as collateral. Because of this, the police made this case their top priority.

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** Shades killed Comanche, his prison lover, just a few days ago. Not only that, but at Gwen's, the people Mariah killed were primarily innocents whose only crime was being in the wrong place at the wrong time. When they were holed up in the barbershop, Shades confides in Comanche that he hopes cozying up to Mariah will give him the opportunity to do more than grunt work, becoming a smooth white collar criminal with money and girls, as he puts it. Then Mariah kills a bunch of mostly innocent people. When they learn from a newscast that Ingrid is still alive, Mariah tasks Shades with killing her. Ingrid is an older relative not in the game but is openly aware of her family's criminal activities, kinda like Comanche's mom Janice (not to mention, as an old school gangster, Shades seems to have the same belief that Ben Urich's old mafia contact in ''Daredevil'' season 1 had: "leave the gangster's non-criminal family members out of this"). He thought Mariah was above that, but she's proven that she can be as cold as Diamondback when the chips are down. He expected her to use the restaurant's info smarter than just "kill everyone". His idea was probably that they were only going to kill a few people who had a DIRECT affiliation with Bushmaster (just Stephanie, Anansi, and Gwen), let everyone else there live, live and then send the message to Bushmaster would respond. Not that "Mariah Dillard wants to mention, innocent people were killed in the massacre as collateral.talk". But Mariah decided to just kill everyone who was unlucky enough to be there. Because of this, the police made this case their top priority.
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** There's also a street cred factor -- the goons don't want it to look like they just gave up.

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** There's also a street cred factor -- the goons don't want it to look like they just gave up. The goons at the drug lab in the first episode say, "Hey, they gotta know we tried, man!" in response to Luke's exasperated "Really, guys?"
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** There's also a street cred factor -- the goons don't want it to look like they just gave up.
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[[folder:What if Shades had killed Cottonmouth instead of Mariah?]]
* Framing Luke for Cottonmouth's murder only seems to have been possible because Mariah killed him in a method that meant Shades wouldn't have much trouble staging the cover-up. Shades was at the club because by his own admission in a later episode, he had gone there to kill Cottonmouth him, which makes you wonder, what if it had been Shades, not Mariah, who killed Cottonmouth? Since we're to assume that Shades would have probably just shot him.
** Shades would have framed Domingo as the fall guy. It can just look like Domingo decided to take Cottonmouth out for the simple fact that a CopKiller is bad for business.
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[[folder:What if Pop hadn't died?]]
* This might just be a hypothetical question. Pops died when Tone shot up the barbershop, because Luke had instinctively covered Lonnie in the chair, while Pops wasn't so lucky. But what if Luke was too far to reach the boy, and he blocked the bullets from hitting Pop?
** It was a matter of "when", not "if", Luke would go to war with Cottonmouth. If Lonnie had died instead of Pop, almost nothing would've changed in the Cottonmouth arc. Cottonmouth would still have killed Tone for being reckless. Luke would still hit Crispus Attucks, Scarfe would still have killed Chico and sold Luke out to Cottonmouth, Cottonmouth would still blow up Genghis Connie's, Cottonmouth would order a shakedown on Harlem businesses trying to drive Luke out of the neighborhood, and Cottonmouth would still have killed Scarfe, been bailed out, then killed by Mariah. The only thing that would've changed about the Cottonmouth arc would be that Pop's funeral would instead be Lonnie's funeral, so opposing speeches from Luke and Cottonmouth would still happen. Things would greatly differ in the Diamondback arc, seeing as Pop still alive would mean Luke wouldn't just have Claire to provide him support, and he probably would've given statements to a Luke-sympathetic reporter like say, Karen Page, dampening the effectiveness of Mariah's smear campaign.
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[[folder:Would Luke have gone down the path he did at the end of Claire stuck around?]]
* Like, imagine that she abandoned her plans to leave town when the viral video of Bushmaster attacking Luke hit the airwaves. Would Luke have made many of the same choices he ultimately made in the actual continuity?
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[[folder:What if Buggy hadn't killed Quincy?]]
* Had Buggy not killed Quincy, would the Stokes' and [=McIvers=]' histories have stayed the same or would they have significantly been different in the 21st century?
** Quincy was on borrowed time and the Italians' offer was a convenient excuse for Buggy to get rid of him. It's pretty clear from the flashbacks in episode 11 that Mabel and Pete disliked the [=McIvers=] and that was before the Buggy thing. Even back then, Mariah was a total bitch to young Bushmaster. All the Stokeses were using the [=McIvers=] the whole time in a one-sided way (with the possible exception of Buggy).
** Buggy and Quincy killed each other over the dispute. It wasn't planned and the Italians were likely not going to kill Quincy once he was kicked out unless he tried something against them. The flashbacks in episode 11 were also after the betrayal. By this point, Pete and Mabel had reasons to hate the [=McIvers=] since they lost their brother and husband in agonizing fashion. It could have changed completely. Or Quincy would have also died in the fire that Mabel started when he brings up Buggy and he had a deal. Buggy's death is not what forced the [=McIvers=] to run to Jamaica. They fled because they lost everything due to the betrayal by their friend (Buggy did sign a makeshift contract with Quincy about being 50/50 partner before he got hustled by the Italians, so he did see Quincy as a friend and partner, but he was greedy).
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[[folder:What if Mariah flipped the damn painting?]]
* When Shades and Mariah are arguing in the remains of Mariah's brownstone in episode 8, Shades argues that none of these issues with Bushmaster would've happened if she had just listened to him and Comanche and flipped the Basquiat painting for the quick cash. Would it have made a difference or not?
** It would've made little difference as far as Bushmaster is concerned, since we know beginning in episode 3 that Bushmaster has a mole working in Harlem's Paradise. He would've improvised and found an alternate way in.
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[[folder:What if Mariah had lived to see trial?]]
* Had Mariah not been killed by Tilda and she lived to see trial, what charges would she be convicted of? Who would testify against her at the trial besides Shades (who would've had to testify as part of his deal with the DA's office)?
** Shades almost certainly would have to testify for his deal to still be valid. Off his testimony, Mariah gets convicted of the murders of Cottonmouth and Candace, the massacre at Gwen's, various blackmail and wire fraud charges for the Atreus deal, witness intimidation and tampering with the attempted murder of Shades, and the murder of Alex, and probably scores of other charges, including conspiracy and tax evasion. Tilda probably would testify as well. She'd obviously never admit to having helped Bushmaster access the club through the secret tunnel. But, Mariah did confide a lot of incriminating information to Tilda, like blackmailing Mark Higgins, the family's real source of income, and the murders of Cottonmouth and Anansi.
** Up for debate is whether or not Luke would testify. Sure, he was never a witness to anything, but there might be a heresy exemption for the the things Piranha told him while Luke was hiding him from the Stylers.
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** You're forgetting, though -- Claire doesn't have superpowers. Like, at all. The people she's fought, beaten up and possibly killed? Could have '''easily''' killed her in a straight fight. She's fighting for her survival in those instances, and when you're fighting to survive, you hit as hard as you can with whatever you can, and worry about who dies later, so long as it isn't you. Because if you're fighting for your life and decide to hold back, against people who are actively trying to kill you? You die. Luke, however, is invulnerable. When he beats down Cockroach, he's not fighting for survival. He's beating down a man who has no way of doing Luke '''any''' harm. Luke could have literally stood there, taken everything Cockroach was willing to throw at him, and subdued Cockroach with a literal TapOnTheHead. Instead, kept beating on him even after it was abundantly clear that Cockroach was incapable of standing up, let alone fighting back. '''That''' is what Claire has a problem with.
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** Scarfe mentioned in the first season how inept the NYPD are at shutting down the Stokes crime ring (not helped of course when cops like him are on the Stokes' payroll), and the presence of superheroes make their job worthless. Brett mentioned in ''Daredevil'' that public opinion was siding with the superheroes more than the cops given that it was Matt Murdock who re-captured Wilson Fisk. With vigilantism on the rise thanks to the addition of Luke Cage and Frank Castle to the landscape, one must also factor in how Luke, Jessica and Danny kinda got off clear for destroying Midland Circle because the cops refused to make public how a small group escaped custody and took a whole crate of explosives from the evidence room. It has been explicitly told the police force are in bad shape. Hell, Misty has to step up and run the Detective Squad following Ridenhour's death at least until Ridley is brought back, which shows that the 29th Precinct doesn't have the best reputation.

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** Scarfe mentioned in the first season how inept the NYPD are at shutting down the Stokes crime ring (not helped of course when cops like him are on the Stokes' payroll), and the presence of superheroes make their job worthless. Brett mentioned in ''Daredevil'' season 2 that public opinion was siding with the superheroes more than the cops given that it was Matt Murdock who re-captured Wilson Fisk. With vigilantism on the rise thanks to the addition of Luke Cage and Frank Castle to the landscape, one must also factor in how Luke, Jessica and Danny kinda got off clear for destroying Midland Circle because the cops refused to make public how a small group escaped custody and took a whole crate of explosives from the evidence room. It has been explicitly told suggested the police force NYPD are in bad shape.having recruiting issues. Hell, Misty has to step up and run the Detective Squad following Ridenhour's death at least until Ridley is brought back, which shows that the 29th Precinct doesn't have the best reputation.



** The reason why Bushmaster didn't have more guards is because unlike Fisk, it wasn't just him who was being apprehended, and it wasn't a preplanned operation. Bushmaster brought a few cars full of henchmen with him to the clinic, and those who survived the attack, they have to be taken to Central Booking as well. Meaning that those two ESU guards and driver might be all that were on scene who were available for hauling Bushmaster away. Everyone else was busy stuffing vans with Bushmaster's henchmen, and since those vans had more arrestees, they naturally needed more guards. Fisk, on the other hand, had a large amount of guards for his escort convoy because his arrest was part of a planned operation.

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** The reason why Bushmaster didn't have more ESU guards is because unlike simple. When the FBI were bringing in Fisk, it wasn't they were just bringing him who was being apprehended, in alone, and it wasn't was a preplanned operation. Bushmaster brought a few cars full of henchmen with him to the clinic, and those who survived weren't killed by Mariah during the attack, they have battle had to be taken to Central Booking as well. booked into custody. Meaning that those two ESU guards and driver might be all that were on scene who have been the only cops were available for hauling Bushmaster away. to handle Bushmaster. Everyone else was busy stuffing vans other jail transports with Bushmaster's henchmen, and since those vans had more arrestees, they naturally needed more guards.guards (and the ESU guards also had no way of knowing that Bushmaster had smuggled a grenade into the van, [[FridgeLogic though this begs the question of why they didn't have him patted down for weapons beforehand]]). Fisk, on the other hand, had a large amount of guards for his escort convoy because his arrest was part of a planned operation.



* So Shades comes back from Brooklyn with the money that Bushmaster gave him. Why doesn't he tell Mariah right there and then about how Nigel is dead? Why wait until the next day when the viral video of Bushmaster fighting Luke hits the airwaves?
** Bushmaster's choice of words led Shades to believe that Nigel died because of infighting within the Stylers.

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* So Shades comes back from Brooklyn with the money that Bushmaster gave him. Why doesn't he tell Mariah right there and then about how Nigel is dead? Why did he wait until the next day when the viral video of Bushmaster fighting Luke hits the airwaves?
** Based on Bushmaster's choice of words led ("Him had no vision"), Shades to believe may have thought that Nigel died because of infighting within the Stylers.Stylers. It was a non-Stokes matter that was nothing to be concerned with.



** When Shades is given the bag with Nigel's head, his reaction to seeing the head is to look at Bushmaster with a "What the hell have you done to him?" expression, to which Bushmaster explains, "Nigel had a big head. A big mouth with...smart ideas. Him had no vision." Bushmaster left no indication that he killed Nigel so he could be the one buying off the guns. He left Shades to think that Nigel died because of some Stylers' leadership dispute, which so far has no visible impact on Harlem. That, and Bushmaster paid more than the $20 million Shades came asking for, which was enough that Nigel's death is the least of their concerns.\\
Fast forward to the next day. When Comanche puts the viral video on the TV in Mariah's office, right after the close-up of Bushmaster's face, the camera cuts to a lingering shot of Shades staring at the screen. He recognizes Bushmaster from the meeting the previous day. What really grabs his attention is the part where Bushmaster said to Luke, "Harlem is not your yard, boy, it's ''mine''." Which on its own would mean nothing. Except, Shades also recalls that when he met Bushmaster and introduced himself Mariah Dillard's representative, Bushmaster corrected him, "[[InsistentTerminology STOKES, Mariah Stokes]]." Shades is pretty good at remembering details; the fact that Bushmaster insisted on referring to Mariah by her birth name rather than her married name, told him that Bushmaster knows Mariah from before she was ever married to Jackson Dillard. All that is enough to make Shades realize that Bushmaster hadn't killed Nigel over leadership differences, but because he was after Mariah over a past beef. He also points out that a man who can defeat Luke Cage barehandedly sould not need henchmen or all of Mariah's guns for that matter, unless he wants to make sure that Mariah is unable to fight back.

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** When Shades is given the bag with Nigel's head, his reaction to seeing the head is to look at Bushmaster with a "What the hell have you done to him?" expression, to which Bushmaster explains, "Nigel had a big head. A big mouth with...smart ideas. Him had no vision." Bushmaster left no indication that he killed Nigel so he could be the one buying off the guns. He left Shades to think that Nigel died because of some Stylers' leadership dispute, which so far has no visible impact on potential to cause problems with Harlem. That, and Bushmaster paid way more than the $20 million that Shades came asking for, had been sent to collect, which was enough that Nigel's death is the least of their concerns.\\
Fast forward to the next day. When Comanche puts the viral video on the TV in Mariah's office, right after the close-up of Bushmaster's face, the camera cuts to a lingering shot of Shades staring at the screen. He recognizes Bushmaster from the meeting the previous day. What really grabs his attention is the part where Bushmaster said says to Luke, Luke upon sneak-attacking him, "Harlem is not your yard, boy, it's ''mine''." Which on its own would mean To an ignorant observer who doesn't know about the nature of organized crime in Harlem, this means nothing. Except, Shades also recalls that when he met Bushmaster and introduced himself Mariah Dillard's representative, Bushmaster corrected him, "[[InsistentTerminology STOKES, Mariah Stokes]]." Shades To Shades, who is pretty good at remembering details; details, the fact that Bushmaster insisted on referring to Mariah by her birth name rather than her married name, told name tells him that Bushmaster knows harbors a grudge against Mariah from for something that happened before she was ever married to Jackson Dillard. All that is enough to make Shades realize So he concludes that Bushmaster hadn't killed Nigel over leadership differences, but because he was after Mariah over a past that earlier beef. He also points out that a man who can defeat Luke Cage barehandedly sould singlehandedly would not need henchmen or all of Mariah's guns for that matter, unless he wants to make sure that Mariah is unable to fight back.

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**It comes off as very inconsistent, when she’s used to urge Luke to work things out with his abusive father after some writer decided to also make her a victim of abuse.



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* When Shades and Mariah are arguing in the remains of Mariah's brownstone in episode 8, Shades argues that none of these issues with Bushmaster would've happened if she had just listened to him and Comanche and flipped the Basquiat painting. Would it have made a difference or not?
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* When Shades and Mariah are arguing in the remains of Mariah's brownstone in episode 8, Shades argues that none of these issues with Bushmaster would've happened if she had just listened to him and Comanche and flipped the Basquiat painting.painting for the quick cash. Would it have made a difference or not?
** It would've made little difference as far as Bushmaster is concerned, because he had Stephanie planted as since we know beginning in episode 3 that Bushmaster has a mole working in Harlem's Paradise. Bushmaster He would've improvised and found an alternate way in.
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*** To be fair, she caused some of Luke's anger here. She referenced him being an exterminator, but hey a gig is a gig and if he likes doing it so be it. And he wouldn't have to be an exterminator if the cops weren't completely incompetent (and also judges STILL being bought). She'd have a point if he was snapping perp's necks like twigs, but all he did really was beat down a man who honestly deserved worse than what he got.

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*** To be fair, she caused some of Luke's anger here. She referenced him being an exterminator, but hey a gig is a gig and if he likes doing it so be it. And he wouldn't have to be an exterminator if the cops weren't completely incompetent (and also judges STILL being bought). She'd She ''would'' have a point if he was snapping perp's necks like twigs, but all he did really was beat down a man who honestly deserved worse than what he got.got (and ultimately did get his deserved fate when Bushmaster made the call).



** Claire is hypocritical, all right? She's been this way since ''Daredevil'' season 1. She criticizes Matt for beating down criminals, yet knocks out one of the Russians who kidnapped her with a baseball bat. She didn't say shit to Jessica about killing Kilgrave despite Jessica making her plan very clear to all around her. But it's not until Season 2 of ''Daredevil'' that this hypocrisy really begins to show. She kills a Hand ninja, cool. Fine. But then when introduced in ''Luke Cage'', she beats up a purse snatcher. Then she goes to train under Colleen, goes to China with Colleen and Danny, and literally hacks and slashes at Hand ninja with poison-tipped claws. By this point, it's like "Claire, you have no right to complain about Luke, Matt and Danny going out to beat up criminals, when you yourself are also beating up criminals, and killing cannon fodder grunts on top of it." But again, she said nothing to Jessica about killing Kilgrave (actually encouraged her to do it, if I remember correctly), and was all for blowing up Midland Circle to kill off the Hand, an explosion that killed off dozens of Hand ninjas, lower level muscle, and also could've damaged other buildings and killed civilians, since none of them were 100% sure it would work.

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** Claire is hypocritical, all right? She's been this way since ''Daredevil'' season 1. She criticizes Matt for beating down criminals, yet knocks out one of the Russians who kidnapped her with a baseball bat. She didn't say shit to Jessica about killing Kilgrave despite Jessica making her plan very clear to all around her. But it's not until Season 2 of ''Daredevil'' that this hypocrisy really begins to show. She kills a Hand ninja, cool. Fine. But then when introduced in ''Luke Cage'', she beats up a purse snatcher.snatcher and helps Misty subdue Shades. Then she goes to train under Colleen, goes to China with Colleen and Danny, and literally hacks and slashes at Hand ninja with poison-tipped claws. By this point, it's like "Claire, you have no right to complain about Luke, Matt and Danny going out to beat up criminals, when you yourself are also beating up criminals, and killing cannon fodder grunts on top of it." But again, she said nothing to Jessica about killing Kilgrave (actually encouraged her to do it, if I remember correctly), and was all for blowing up Midland Circle to kill off the Hand, an explosion that killed off dozens of Hand ninjas, lower level muscle, and also could've damaged other buildings and killed civilians, since none of them were 100% sure it would work.

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** Up for debate is whether or not Luke would testify. Sure, he was never a witness to anything, but he could testify to the things Piranha told him while Luke was hiding him from the Stylers.

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** The cops don't see Luke Cage as a universal force for good, and to be honest they shouldn't. He is by definition a vigilante (i.e. a criminal) and he hasn't even come to terms with what it means to be a hero or even how to properly use his powers. In their eyes, he is a ticking time bomb that they can do nothing about, and an egotistical one at that, given that he's got his own smartphone app and D.W. is making money uploading YouTube videos of him in action. The superheroes who have the most interactions with the NYPD (Matt, Luke, and Jessica) aren't universally praised as good guys. They're just powered people who usually use their powers to help people, but also sometimes beat people to within an inch of their life (which is against the law).

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*** Pretty much. The thing here is that the films, Agents of SHIELD, and the Netflix shows have nothing to do with each other outside of small references. How each handles the Accords, and that's assuming the Netflix shows actually did use them at any point, will naturally be different from one another. In that respect, the MCU is just like the original Marvel Universe. Crossovers happen, and TheVerse overall is the same, but trying to make too much sense of it all takes away from enjoying the content.

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*** Pretty much. The thing here is that the films, Agents ''Agents of SHIELD, SHIELD'', and the Netflix shows have nothing to do with each other outside of small references. How each handles the Accords, and that's assuming the Netflix shows actually did use them at any point, will naturally be different from one another. In that respect, the MCU is just like the original Marvel Universe. Crossovers happen, and TheVerse overall is the same, but trying to make too much sense of it all takes away from enjoying the content.



** Being crazy is how he thinks the products everyone tells him is gonna kill him slowly is worth using, Tilda and the wise woman know nightshade do that they aren't that surprised he comes back from gunshot and he thinks surviving a bad batch and being descendant of Maroons, it's like reds in Jessica Jones it's supposed to do that but no one in their right mind will. The wise woman didn't just have nightshade ready because she saw little John needing it in a crystal ball it's in her books. Tilda even knows what part to extract and concentrate.

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** Being crazy is how he thinks the products everyone tells him is gonna kill him slowly is worth using, Tilda and the wise woman know nightshade do that they aren't that surprised he comes back from gunshot and he thinks surviving a bad batch and being descendant of Maroons, it's like reds Simpson's combat enhancers in Jessica Jones ''Jessica Jones'', in that it's supposed to do that but no one in their right mind will. The wise woman didn't just have nightshade ready because she saw little John needing it in a crystal ball it's in her books. Tilda even knows what part to extract and concentrate.



** If Luke hadn't put Cockroach in the hospital, and Shades hadn't killed Arturo, it's hard to tell what Bushmaster would've done. We do know Bushmaster had a mole in Harlem's Paradise with Sheldon's cousin Stephanie. She told them all about Mariah's three potential buyers, which is how they knew that Nigel had spoken with her. By killing Nigel, Bushmaster has gotten him out of the way and now had an army of henchmen. So now it would just be a matter of getting Arturo and Cockroach out of the way, which is hard to tell because he'd have to do so in a way that didn't tip off Mariah to what he's up to. Mariah wasn't too happy about Cockroach so I think she'd have stuck with Arturo. If Arturo was persuaded to give them the money, Bushmaster would've found out and would've just stolen the guns en route. Alternately, the meeting between Shades and Arturo would have ended with Shades and Comanche realizing Arturo is too hot to be sold to, forcing them to sell to the Yardies anyways.

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** If Luke hadn't put Cockroach in the hospital, and Shades hadn't killed Arturo, it's hard to tell what Bushmaster would've done. We do know Bushmaster had a mole in Harlem's Paradise with Sheldon's cousin Stephanie. She told them all about Mariah's three potential buyers, which is how they knew that Nigel had spoken with her. By killing Nigel, Bushmaster has gotten him out of the way and now had an army of henchmen. So now it would just be a matter of getting Arturo and Cockroach out of the way, which is hard to tell because he'd have to do so in a way that didn't tip off Mariah to what he's up to. Mariah wasn't too happy about Cockroach so I think she'd have stuck with Arturo. If Arturo was persuaded to give them the money, Bushmaster would've found out and would've just stolen the guns en route. Alternately, Let's assume that the meeting between Shades and Arturo would have ended with peacefully and without Arturo dead. Most likely, Shades and Comanche realizing would've walked away empty-handed by conceding that yeah, Arturo is too hot to be sold to, forcing them to sell to the Yardies anyways.Bushmaster anyways (since Mariah was pretty firmly against selling to Cockroach).


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** Another factor is that the Police and the public, [[TruthInTelevision especially the black community don't have the best relationship]]. In the end Harlem respect and trust Luke more than them. Relied on him more than them and that makes them look bad. Not to mention to them Luke Cage is still a convict that was mixed up with multiple deaths including one cop. While no fault of his own to some of them it would feel like he operated above the law and flaunted it. Especially since their public image has taken a beating [[Series/Daredevil2015 with exposed police corruption]], failure to [[Series/ThePunisher stop the Punisher and internal scandals.]] To see him get taken down a notch would heal some of their wounded pride despite their misplaced anger.
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*** Pretty much. The thing here is that the films, Agents of SHIELD, and the Netflix shows have nothing to do with each other outside of small references. How each handles the Accords, and that's assuming the Netflix shows actually did use them at any point, will naturally be different from one another.

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*** Pretty much. The thing here is that the films, Agents of SHIELD, and the Netflix shows have nothing to do with each other outside of small references. How each handles the Accords, and that's assuming the Netflix shows actually did use them at any point, will naturally be different from one another. In that respect, the MCU is just like the original Marvel Universe. Crossovers happen, and TheVerse overall is the same, but trying to make too much sense of it all takes away from enjoying the content.
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**The MCU is really one big RedSkiesCrossover. While a mention of the Accords would be nice, I don't think the Netflix shows are equipped to deal with some of the larger, game-changing consequences from the feature film continuity. Case in point, Jeph Loeb acknowledged in a Reddit AMA that the "snap" at the end of ''Infinity War'' will never be acknowledged in the Netflix shows. It is worth noting that the movies' scripts are usually written years in advance so it's genuinely difficult to try and work things out so that everything makes sense, especially when the Netflix shows are constantly figuring things out very actively.
***Another argument that can be made about this Accords matter is that the Netflix shows take place in a slightly different timeline from the movies where the Accords never happened, although the events of ''The Avengers'' still did happen, and the Raft still got built. This would certainly explain other discrepancies, like the presence of the real [=MetLife=] Building instead of Stark Tower in the Midtown Manhattan skyline.



** That's not being crazy, that’s being determined. Also being "crazy" doesn’t imbue one with the ability to survive poisons and deadly toxins in extreme doses. Never mind actually metabolise it to accelerate ones physical abilities. Not only that Bushmaster showed no signs of being insane. Determined, driven and focused on his purpose. Yes, but certifiably crazy no. Not only that they advised constant use could kill him not definitely end in his death. That is why at the end of the series he is still alive and not dead. Also, Simpson's pills are an actual steroid, useful but nowhere the same power level of the Nightshade. Red did not make one bulletproof, accelerate healing or strong enough to tear down steel. The wise woman knowledge and "wisdom" is proven by what the Nightshade did to Bushmaster, it revealed as she promised. It revealed that Bushmaster's highly advanced metabolism combined with the plants potency allowed super human abilities as shown multiple times in the series. In short, as his family and others had always said he was “special”.

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** That's not being crazy, that’s being determined. Also being "crazy" doesn’t imbue one with the ability to survive poisons and deadly toxins in extreme doses. Never mind actually metabolise it to accelerate ones physical abilities. Not only that Bushmaster showed no signs of being insane. Determined, driven and focused on his purpose. Yes, but certifiably crazy no. Not only that they advised constant use could kill him not definitely end in his death. That is why at the end of the series he is still alive and not dead. Also, Simpson's pills are were an actual steroid, useful but nowhere the same power level of the Nightshade. Red The reds did not make one Simpson or Trish bulletproof, accelerate healing or strong enough to tear down steel. The wise woman woman's knowledge and "wisdom" is proven by what the Nightshade did to Bushmaster, Bushmaster: it revealed as she promised. It revealed that Bushmaster's highly advanced metabolism combined with the plants plant's potency allowed super human abilities as shown multiple times in the series. In short, as his family and others had always said he was “special”.


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**Shades almost certainly would have to testify for his deal to still be valid. Off his testimony, Mariah gets convicted of the murders of Cottonmouth and Candace, the massacre at Gwen's, various blackmail and wire fraud charges for the Atreus deal, witness intimidation and tampering with the attempted murder of Shades, and the murder of Alex, and probably scores of other charges, including conspiracy and tax evasion. Tilda probably would testify as well. She'd obviously never admit to having helped Bushmaster access the club through the secret tunnel. But, Mariah did confide a lot of incriminating information to Tilda, like blackmailing Mark Higgins, the family's real source of income, and the murders of Cottonmouth and Anansi.
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*** Actually '''Street-level vigilantes DO fall into its remit''' due to one simple factor and one of the reasons [[Series/TheDefenders2017 it applies to the Defenders in general.]] [[SuperRegistrationAct ANY enhanced individuals who use their powers and abilities to break the law (including those who take part in extra-legal vigilante activities, or are otherwise deemed a threat to public safety are accountable to the accords. May be detained indefinitely without trail.]] Such as the case of Alisa. ANY enhanced individuals are accountable when they take actions that are deemed against the accords. It does not state you have to be at this level of enhanced or level of function. ANY enhanced individual that breaks the accord. While Netflix has played fast and loose timeline wise originally. But now have showed more connection between the shows and movies. This is shown more [[Series/JessicaJones when in Jessica Jones Alisa faced punishment under the same accords that apply to the Defenders as well.]] It’s not about wanting the story to be interrupted, but in a a plot hole is still a plot hole. If the writers were going to have a token showing of the accords affecting those with super powers. Then at least a token showing of government interest or reaction due to accords being broken or at least stretched should be expected as well.

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*** Actually '''Street-level vigilantes DO fall into its remit''' due to one simple factor and one of the reasons [[Series/TheDefenders2017 it applies to the Defenders in general.]] [[SuperRegistrationAct ANY enhanced individuals who use their powers and abilities to break the law (including those who take part in extra-legal vigilante activities, or are otherwise deemed a threat to public safety are accountable to the accords. May be detained indefinitely without trail.]] Such as the case of Alisa. Not those serving on behalf of government or legitimate organizations. Not those working privately. Not those who did or did not sign up. ANY enhanced individuals are accountable when they take actions that are deemed against the accords. It does not state you have to be at this level of enhanced or level of function. ANY enhanced individual that breaks the accord. There is no line that an enhanced person can work under. They break the accord they are accountable to its review and the penalties therein. While Netflix has played fast and loose originally, which was fine. But now have showed more connection between the shows and movies. This is shown more [[Series/JessicaJones when in Jessica Jones Alisa faced punishment and detainment under the same accords that apply to the Defenders as well.]] It’s not about wanting the story to be interrupted, but in a general plot hole that is still a plot hole. If the writers were going to have a token showing of the accords affecting those with super powers. Then at least a token showing of government interest or reaction due to accords being broken or at least stretched should be expected as well.

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*** Actually '''Street-level vigilantes DO fall into its remit''' due to one simple factor and one of the reasons [[Series/TheDefenders2017 it applies to the Defenders in general.]] [[SuperRegistrationAct ANY enhanced individuals who use their powers and abilities to break the law (including those who take part in extra-legal vigilante activities, or are otherwise deemed a threat to public safety are accountable to the accords. May be detained indefinitely without trail.]] Such as the case of Alisa. Not those serving on behalf of government or legitimate organizations. Not those working privately. Not those who did or did not sign up. ANY enhanced individuals are accountable when they take actions that are deemed against the accords. It does not state you have to be at this level of enhanced or level of function. ANY enhanced individual that breaks the accord. There is no line that an enhanced person can work under. They break the accord they are accountable to its review and the penalties therein. While Netflix has played fast and loose originally, which was fine.timeline wise originally. But now have showed more connection between the shows and movies. This is shown more [[Series/JessicaJones when in Jessica Jones Alisa faced punishment and detainment under the same accords that apply to the Defenders as well.]] It’s not about wanting the story to be interrupted, but in a general a plot hole that hole is still a plot hole. If the writers were going to have a token showing of the accords affecting those with super powers. Then at least a token showing of government interest or reaction due to accords being broken or at least stretched should be expected as well.
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*** It was never stated that the Accords was about international actions only. The Sokovia Accords note that a super powered individual committing crimes or vigilantism comes under the accords. Which is why Alisa is eligible for containment in the Raft as per the Sokovia Accords. As for the US government not wanting to risk backlash for going after Luke? They went after [[Film\CaptainAmericaCivilWar Captain America and he is a war hero and icon.]] They would not hesitate to go after Luke seeing as they helped forged the accords and policing it in their own backyard would be a priority.

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*** It was never stated that the Accords was about international actions only. The Sokovia Accords note that a super powered individual committing crimes or vigilantism comes under the accords. Which is why Alisa is eligible for containment in the Raft as per the Sokovia Accords. As for the US government not wanting to risk backlash for going after Luke? They went after [[Film\CaptainAmericaCivilWar [[Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar Captain America and he is a war hero and icon.]] They would not hesitate to go after Luke seeing as they helped forged the accords and policing it in their own backyard would be a priority.

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