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* In the flashback episode City of Angels, Chloe meets with Charlotte Richards but doesn’t seem to recognise her when Lucifer’s mother possesses her body in Liar, Liar Slutty Dress on Fire.
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[[folder: Why does Lucifer's family call him Lucifer?]]
I mean, in Heaven his name was Samiel. That's what they all would have know him as. He didn't have that name until after he was banished from heaven so it make no sense for all of his family to call him Lucifer or for his brother to have a cut. Nickname for him in Lucy.
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** Losing someone is painful even if you know they're still out there. Even if they thought Dan was in Heaven, it's still upsetting that he's not THERE. Besides, as Lucifer is shocked to find out, Dan didn't make it to Heaven but got stuck in Hell due to his inability to forgive himself. Even though Lucifer manages to arrange it so that Dan isn't being tortured and instead plays ping-pong with the demons, the situation still sucks majorly for everyone involved.

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** Losing someone is painful even if you know they're still out there. Even if they thought Dan was in Heaven, it's still upsetting that he's not THERE.''there with them''. Besides, as Lucifer is shocked to find out, Dan didn't make it to Heaven but got stuck in Hell due to his inability to forgive himself. Even though Lucifer manages to arrange it so that Dan isn't being tortured and instead plays ping-pong with the demons, the situation still sucks majorly for everyone involved.
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** They know that Dan, due to his inability to forgive himself, is stuck in Hell. Even though Lucifer has arranged it so that Dan isn't being tortured and instead plays ping-pong with the demons, it's still not a happy thought that someone they loved is stuck in Hell.

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** They Losing someone is painful even if you know they're still out there. Even if they thought Dan was in Heaven, it's still upsetting that Dan, he's not THERE. Besides, as Lucifer is shocked to find out, Dan didn't make it to Heaven but got stuck in Hell due to his inability to forgive himself, is stuck in Hell. himself. Even though Lucifer has arranged manages to arrange it so that Dan isn't being tortured and instead plays ping-pong with the demons, it's the situation still not a happy thought that someone they loved is stuck in Hell.sucks majorly for everyone involved.
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** They know that Dan, due to his inability to forgive himself, is stuck in Hell. Even though Lucifer has arranged it so that Dan isn't being tortured and instead plays ping-pong with the demons, it's still not a happy thought that someone they loved is stuck in Hell.
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* I mean, I can understand Trixie being sad but why the rest of the cast? They literally are or know God, angels and the devil himself. They literally know that death on earth isn't the end and Lucifer and his brother can literally visit Dan in Heaven or Hell anytime they want. I really makes no sense.
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** That's the thing, we don't actually know what God does or how the universe is maintained. We assume that the universe just kinda runs itself after God created it, but we don't actually know that. It may take most of God's time or power to keep the universe running. Maybe the way God originally created the universe required his co stand Imput to keep running buy now that it's been up and running for a few billion years, it doesn't need that contant input any longer.
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[[folder: Healing powers forgotten ?]]
*Earlier in the series we saw Lucifer and Amenadiel healing people, and even Maze healing Amenadiel ( who was mortal at the time) using just one of Lucifer's feathers... This power would have been very useful in multiple parts of the 5th season.
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** They panicked, pure and simple. People don't exactly act rationally when their children are in danger, and the fact that it was their own daughter left Chloe and Lucifer in a less than rational state.
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* God claims that his job of being God left him no time for his family. How is that possible? God is a nigh-omnipotant, nigh-omnipresent entity who can control the flow of him. He can create realms where the flow of time in one is much faster than in another. As God he hardly did anyting except a vague presence people felt. Both Lucifer and Amendiael had no problem with the idea they could balance their celestials duties along with family obligations. So why couldn't God? What kept him so busy? Why couldn't he pop on Earth to check on things and focus on heaven?

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* God claims that his job of being God left him no time for his family. How is that possible? God is a nigh-omnipotant, nigh-omnipresent entity who can control the flow of him.time. He can create realms where the flow of time in one is much faster than in another. As God he hardly did anyting except a vague presence people felt. Both Lucifer and Amendiael had no problem with the idea they could balance their celestials duties along with family obligations. So why couldn't God? What kept him so busy? Why couldn't he pop on Earth to check on things and focus on heaven?
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* God claims that his job of being God left him no time for his family. How is that possible? God is a nigh-omnipotant, nigh-omnipresent entity who can control the flow of him. He can create realms where the flow of time in one is much faster than in another. As God he hardly did anyting except a vague presence people felt. Both Lucifer and Amendiael had no problem with the idea they could balance their celestials duties along with family obligations. So why couldn't God? What kept him so busy? Why couldn't he pop on Earth to check on things and focus on heaven?
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* This happens... rather a lot, but it's particularly egregious in Season 6, episode 10, when [[spoiler:Rory is kidnapped to bait Lucifer.]] Lucifer wants to go alone. It makes sense that he doesn't want Chloe to come with him, that's fairly reasonable thinking from someone in love. But why would they go without any other backup? At the bare minimum, they should have brought Amenadiel, who, most notably, would have been able to [[spoiler:fly Chloe to a hospital after she is stabbed, while Lucifer goes on to rescue Rory]]. Additionally, while it makes sense for them to not call Maze and Eve, them being on their honeymoon, and them not wanting to interrupt that, I ''kinda think [[spoiler:"my daughter has been kidnapped to bait me into a deathtrap"]] is a big enough deal to justify asking them to come back!''
Alright. So they thought they were going after one man. But they knew 1- [[spoiler:Le Mac was aware of Rory's connection to Lucifer]] and 2- the location that Lucifer [[spoiler:Le Mac knew the location Lucifer is supposed to die at]]. Therefore, it's quite reasonable for them to realize that [[spoiler:Le Mac was aware of what was happening while Dan was possessing him]], and so maybe they should not roll in all by themselves, and it would be prudent to bring in as many big guns as they have. Even barring them realizing these things, when they got to the location, and found that [[spoiler:Le Mac had men, and they were carrying daggers made from Rory's feathers]], they should have immediately called Amenadiel, who has been shown to be able to fly, at least, to a vaguely nearby location ''very fast,'' when Lucifer was pranking Dan in Season 5. And even if they didn't want to pull Maze and Eve away from their honeymoon, a quick call to say "[[spoiler:Rory's in trouble]], and we need backup to save her, who do you trust to roll with us?" would be reasonable. And honestly, there are probably still demons kicking around from Maze and Eve's wedding who could have at least been no-guilt bodies in the way of blades and bullets!

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* This happens... rather a lot, but it's particularly egregious in Season 6, episode 10, when [[spoiler:Rory Rory is kidnapped to bait Lucifer.]] Lucifer. Lucifer wants to go alone. It makes sense that he doesn't want Chloe to come with him, that's fairly reasonable thinking from someone in love. But why would they go without any other backup? At the bare minimum, they should have brought Amenadiel, who, most notably, would have been able to [[spoiler:fly fly Chloe to a hospital after she is stabbed, while Lucifer goes on to rescue Rory]]. Rory. And while the fact that he's in Heaven addressing the angels is perhaps somewhat of a valid counterpoint, it also make him very easy to contact, and he absolutely would be there in a flash to help. Additionally, while it makes sense for them to not call Maze and Eve, them being on their honeymoon, and them not wanting to interrupt that, I ''kinda think [[spoiler:"my "my daughter has been kidnapped to bait me into a deathtrap"]] deathtrap" is a big enough deal to justify asking them to come back!''
Alright. So they thought they were going after one man. But they knew 1- [[spoiler:Le Le Mac was 1- aware of Rory's connection to Lucifer]] Lucifer and 2- the location that Lucifer [[spoiler:Le Mac knew the location Lucifer is supposed to die at]]. at. Therefore, it's quite reasonable for them to realize that [[spoiler:Le Le Mac was aware of what was happening while Dan was possessing him]], him, and so maybe they should not roll in all by themselves, and it would be prudent to bring in as many big guns as they have. Even barring them realizing these things, when they got to the location, and found that [[spoiler:Le Le Mac had men, and they were carrying daggers made from Rory's feathers]], feathers, they should have immediately called Amenadiel, who has been shown to be able to fly, at least, to a vaguely nearby location arrive ''very fast,'' when Lucifer was pranking Dan in Season 5. And even if they didn't want to pull Maze and Eve away from their honeymoon, a quick call to say "[[spoiler:Rory's "Rory's in trouble]], trouble, and we need backup to save her, who do you trust to roll with us?" would be reasonable. And honestly, there are probably still demons kicking around from Maze and Eve's wedding who could have at least been no-guilt bodies in the way of blades and bullets!
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* This happens... rather a lot, but it's particularly egregious in Season 6, episode 10, when [[spoiler:Rory is kidnapped to bait Lucifer.]] Lucifer wants to go alone. It makes sense that he doesn't want Chloe to come with him, that's fairly reasonable thinking from someone in love. But why would they go without any other backup? At the bare minimum, they should have brought Amenadiel, who, most notably, would have been able to [[spoiler:fly Chloe to a hospital after she is stabbed, while Lucifer goes on to rescue Rory]]. Additionally, while it makes sense for them to not call Maze and Eve, them being on their honeymoon, and them not wanting to interrupt that, I ''kinda think [[spoiler:"my daughter has been kidnapped to bait me into a deathtrap"]] is a big enough deal to justify asking them to come back!''
Alright. So they thought they were going after one man. But they knew 1- [[spoiler:Le Mac was aware of Rory's connection to Lucifer]] and 2- the location that Lucifer [[spoiler:Le Mac knew the location Lucifer is supposed to die at]]. Therefore, it's quite reasonable for them to realize that [[spoiler:Le Mac was aware of what was happening while Dan was possessing him]], and so maybe they should not roll in all by themselves, and it would be prudent to bring in as many big guns as they have. Even barring them realizing these things, when they got to the location, and found that [[spoiler:Le Mac had men, and they were carrying daggers made from Rory's feathers]], they should have immediately called Amenadiel, who has been shown to be able to fly, at least, to a vaguely nearby location ''very fast,'' when Lucifer was pranking Dan in Season 5. And even if they didn't want to pull Maze and Eve away from their honeymoon, a quick call to say "[[spoiler:Rory's in trouble]], and we need backup to save her, who do you trust to roll with us?" would be reasonable. And honestly, there are probably still demons kicking around from Maze and Eve's wedding who could have at least been no-guilt bodies in the way of blades and bullets!
It really seems like the only time Lucifer thinks to call in as many favors as he possibly can, it's for something immature like pranking Dan, not for something important.
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** To be fair to Ella, while he did not technically lie, he didn't exactly actually push back on the idea of him being a method actor besides the occasional "I'm not an actor" comment either, which is '''exactly''' something an insanely method actor would say. There's also the fact that she was scared everyone else knew and was keeping her out of the loop to make fun of her (which, given Ella's trust issues after Pete, makes total sense) and watching her bounce up and down with her faith after Charlotte's death when they knew for a fact she was in Heaven.

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** To be fair to Ella, while he did not technically lie, he didn't exactly actually push back on the idea of him being a method actor besides the occasional "I'm not an actor" comment either, which is '''exactly''' something an insanely dedicated method actor would say. There's also the fact that she was scared everyone else knew and was keeping her out of the loop to make fun of her (which, given Ella's trust issues after Pete, makes total sense) and watching her bounce up and down with her faith after Charlotte's death when they knew for a fact she was in Heaven.
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** To be fair to Ella, while he did not technically lie, he didn't exactly actually push back on the idea of him being a method actor besides the occasional "I'm not an actor" comment either, which is '''exactly''' something an insanely method actor would say. There's also the fact that she was scared everyone else knew and was keeping her out of the loop to make fun of her (which, given Ella's trust issues after Pete, makes total sense) and watching her bounce up and down with her faith after Charlotte's death when they knew for a fact she was in Heaven.
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** Chloe said a right after the scene with Trixie and Rory that the babysitter was going to take her home, so I think it is safe to assume that they left immediately before Lucifer, Chloe, and Rory walked out.
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* As he rightly points out, he never once lied to her. He always told her the truth about who he was. '''She's''' the one who thought he was an actor. Even when he flat out told her he wasn't and tried to include her when everyone else on Team Lucifer knew. She still insisted he was acting. Why, when she finally figured it out, was she so mad at him about it then? I get everyone else, because they DID lie to her about it. But Lucifer never once tried to hide the fact he was the Devil from her.

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* As he rightly points out, he never once lied to her. He always told her the truth about who he was. '''She's''' the one who thought he was an actor. Even when he flat out told her he wasn't and tried to include her when everyone else on Team Lucifer knew. She still insisted he was acting. Why, when she finally figured it out, was she so mad at him about it then? I get everyone else, because they DID lie to her about it. But Lucifer never once tried to hide the fact he was the Devil from her.her.
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* As he rightly points out, he never once lied to her. He always told her the truth about who he was. '''She's''' the one who thought he was an actor. Even when he flat out told her he wasn't and tried to include her when everyone else on Team Lucifer knew. She still insisted he was acting. Why, when she finally figured it out, was she so mad at him about it then? I get everyone else, because they DID lie to her about it. But Lucifer never once tried to hide the fact he was the Devil from her.
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This does kind of support the "Trixie has always known" hypothesis but it just bothers me that it's not addressed. It's like the writers stuck in a token scene for her with Rory then completely forgot she existed.

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\n** This does kind of support the "Trixie has always known" hypothesis but it just bothers me that it's not addressed. It's like the writers stuck in a token scene for her with Rory then completely forgot she existed.existed.
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** It's also likely that Lucifer knows God is omniscient, so any action God takes are on purpose. And any he doesn't take are also on purpose. Lucifer also feels that all the gentle nudging to maintain free will are a waste of time when an actual conversation and clear goals would do the same job better.
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** As we learn more and more, it reinforces that God is omnipotent. He knows what is happening, why it's happening, and what will happen. Which is also part of why Lucifer is so angry. God isn't just negligent, he's doing it on purpose. And since God allowed Michael to do what he does, God is passively accepting it. When you know all the consequences of your actions, you can't claim that anything is an accident.
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* We know that Trixie was at the wedding reception because Rory spoke with her there. Then Rory, Chloe and Lucifer all step out so Rory can have yet another meltdown. Ella starts up while they're outside. The only other people Trixie would have conceivably left with are Maze or Eve (who aren't leaving their own reception) or possibly Amenadiel who was also there for Ella's rant. So where did Trixie go during this time and if she was in a corner somewhere, what did she think about what she heard?

This does kind of support the "Trixie has always known" hypothesis but it just bothers me that it's not addressed. It's like the writers stuck in a token scene for her with Rory then completely forgot she existed.
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** Simply put, they weren't all that close and the other angels were probably too concerned with toeing the line and avoiding outright war.



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** God only ever stepped in to begin with in Season 5 because of getting gaslit into believing that he needed to name a successor and decided to use the opportunity to make up with his sons. Beyond that he stays as hands off as possible, no matter who may be in danger.



Why did God not hold Michael accountable for his actions especially when what he did was just as bad if not worse than Lucifer? Even when confronted about it he blew them off? Was it really the whole "free will" bit? God blamed himself? Or by that point did God just not care?

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* Why did God not hold Michael accountable for his actions especially when what he did was just as bad if not worse than Lucifer? Even when confronted about it he blew them off? Was it really the whole "free will" bit? God blamed himself? Or by that point did God just not care? care?
** Even with Michael manipulating Lucifer into starting a rebellion, it was ultimately Lucifer's decision to do so and thus actions had to be taken against him specifically. As long as they didn't conflict with him directly he was perfectly fine with letting the angels do as they please and letting them police themselves.



I mean yeah, Lucifer is mad that his dad threw him out of Heaven and banished him to Hell. Fine. But he did rebel and try to overthrow his father and tried to burn down the Silver City. What did he think was going to happen after all of that failed? A slap on the wrist? That would be like you adult son was living with you and then one day decided that HE was the head of the household. Of course you're not going to continue to let him live in your house after something like that.

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* I mean yeah, Lucifer is mad that his dad threw him out of Heaven and banished him to Hell. Fine. But he did rebel and try to overthrow his father and tried to burn down the Silver City. What did he think was going to happen after all of that failed? A slap on the wrist? That would be like you adult son was living with you and then one day decided that HE was the head of the household. Of course you're not going to continue to let him live in your house after something like that.that.
** Combination of two things. Not feeling that God is doing a satisfactory job at being...well, God (this is what Michael preyed upon and led to his rebellion in the first place) and not feeling that God ever showed him or his siblings any sort of actual parental love (while also thinking God is screwing with his life). Due to being narcissistic as he is he often brought the latter to the forefront during his whining but that ultimately fell off as he gained emotional maturity. The former however sat with him all the way to the end of Season 5.
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** It's simply that MamaDidntRaiseNoCriminal.
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** I always assumed that he had a general manager run the club. Lucifer likes the idea of owning a club and being able to party as much as he wants but he would never enjoy the actual running of the business stuff.
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** Reconfirmed in 5A. Lucifer chooses to make himself vulnerable around Chloe - there's a good chance that he was immortal right until that conversation.
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**Probably Old Earth (compatible with Darwinism) - 5B mentions that God is a billion years old and that the K-T extinction was an accident.
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I mean yeah, Lucifer is mad that his dad threw him out of heaven and banished him to Hell. Fine. But he jmdid rebel and try to overthrow his father and burn down the Silver City. What did he think was going to happen after all of that failed? A slap on the wrist? That would be like you adult son was living with you and then one day decided that HE was the head of the household. Of course you're not going to continue to let him live in your house after something like that.

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I mean yeah, Lucifer is mad that his dad threw him out of heaven Heaven and banished him to Hell. Fine. But he jmdid did rebel and try to overthrow his father and tried to burn down the Silver City. What did he think was going to happen after all of that failed? A slap on the wrist? That would be like you adult son was living with you and then one day decided that HE was the head of the household. Of course you're not going to continue to let him live in your house after something like that.

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