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** {{Lampshaded}} by an interview. When asked a similar question, Hennig responded, "Because he'd look silly bald."

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** {{Lampshaded}} by in an [[ElectronicGamingMonthly EGM]] interview. When asked a similar question, Hennig responded, "Because he'd look silly bald." if he was bald. It's magical hair, or maybe he just has a deep follicle."



** Later games suggest that, at the end of ''Blood Omen'' Kain had some inkling of how important vampires are to the balance, and didn't want to leave the fate of the world in anyone elses hands. Also, he gleefully puts the "Sociopath" in "HeroicSociopath", so it's [[strike: possible]] [[strike:probable]] (who are we kidding?) certain he just didn't want to die, so used the most likely excuse.

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** Later games suggest that, at the end of ''Blood Omen'' Kain had some inkling of how important vampires are to the balance, and didn't want to leave the fate of the world in anyone elses else's hands. Also, he gleefully puts the "Sociopath" in "HeroicSociopath", so it's [[strike: possible]] [[strike:probable]] (who are we kidding?) pretty much certain he just didn't want to die, so used the most likely excuse.



* How exactly do the metaphysics in the Spectral Realm work? Soul Reaver 1 already established that when a person travels into the Spectral Realm, time becomes frozen from their perspective, and their surroundings become non-mutable (for example, Raziel could use falling rocks as stepping stones, but not open doors). Is the Spectral Realm the same for every one of its inhabitants? Does it suddenly change to accomodate objects moving in the Material Realm whenever Raziel passes through? And how does the Spectral Realm suddenly become much less static in Defiance, where the Elder God clearly destroys some architecture in the Spectral Realm while trying to keep Raziel from escaping?

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* How exactly do the metaphysics in the Spectral Realm work? Soul Reaver 1 already established that when a person travels into the Spectral Realm, time becomes frozen from their perspective, and their surroundings become non-mutable (for example, Raziel could use falling rocks as stepping stones, but not open doors). Is the Spectral Realm the same for every one of its inhabitants? Does it suddenly change to accomodate accommodate objects moving in the Material Realm whenever Raziel passes through? And how does the Spectral Realm suddenly become much less static in Defiance, where the Elder God clearly destroys some architecture in the Spectral Realm while trying to keep Raziel from escaping?



* This troper is a trained vet who worked for 3 years at a wildlife shelter in New Mexico, and thus knows enough about bat wings to know that the way Kain ripped the bone structure off Raziel's wings is simply impossible. The bones in a bat's wing are very fragile, and the skin very tight, even if Kain was able to rip them out in one piece expect a lot more damage wing's surface than seem in game, if a bat breaks the wrong bone in the wrong place, it's entire wing can rip in half under it's own weight. Even if Kain was able to rip off the entire bone structure in one piece without tearing them, then the wings still wouldn't be in one piece, each section would fall to the ground without the bones connecting them. In short, the most Raziel would have is a very short flap of tissue at the very base of his back.

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* This troper is a trained vet who worked for 3 years at a wildlife shelter in New Mexico, and thus knows enough about bat wings to know that the way Kain ripped the bone structure off Raziel's wings is simply impossible. The bones in a bat's wing are very fragile, and the skin very tight, even if Kain was able to rip them out in one piece expect a lot more damage wing's surface than seem in game, if a bat breaks the wrong bone in the wrong place, it's its entire wing can rip in half under it's its own weight. Even if Kain was able to rip off the entire bone structure in one piece without tearing them, then the wings still wouldn't be in one piece, each section would fall to the ground without the bones connecting them. In short, the most Raziel would have is a very short flap of tissue at the very base of his back.



** (By the way, the e-mail adress mentioned on the timeline is defunct by now.)

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** (By the way, the e-mail adress address mentioned on the timeline is defunct by now.)



* Here's the big issue. Hylden General/Sarafan Lord is the same character who was possessing Mortainus/Janos in Defiance. He was able to set his plans into motion by manipulating Raziel into tearing the heart of darkness out of the Scion of Balance-- Kain-- and putting it back into Janos. He presumably knew that Kain was the Scion(He knew Mortainus put the heart into a vampire he believed to be the scion, whith was Kain), and he believed that by tearing the heart out of the Elder Kain, Raziel had killed him. So, while leading his army against the Younger Kain's vampire army, how is it that he thought he could actually win? Kain has to survive to become the elder Kain that Raziel takes the heart from, which is how his plan gets put into motion. For Kain to survive, that means the Hylden General can't kill the younger version. Yet he has complete confidence his plan will succeed inspite of coming into conflict with Young Kain, he is surprised that Young Kain survived their first battle, and has complete confidence he'll kill Kain in their final showdown.

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* Here's the big issue. Hylden General/Sarafan Lord is the same character who was possessing Mortainus/Janos in Defiance. He was able to set his plans into motion by manipulating Raziel into tearing the heart of darkness out of the Scion of Balance-- Kain-- and putting it back into Janos. He presumably knew that Kain was the Scion(He knew Mortainus put the heart into a vampire he believed to be the scion, whith which was Kain), and he believed that by tearing the heart out of the Elder Kain, Raziel had killed him. So, while leading his army against the Younger Kain's vampire army, how is it that he thought he could actually win? Kain has to survive to become the elder Kain that Raziel takes the heart from, which is how his plan gets put into motion. For Kain to survive, that means the Hylden General can't kill the younger version. Yet he has complete confidence his plan will succeed inspite of coming into conflict with Young Kain, he is surprised that Young Kain survived their first battle, and has complete confidence he'll kill Kain in their final showdown.



*** WordOfGod says that the Hylden and the Hylden Lord can look into Nosgoth's timestream to see the future, which is how they planned everything out. Its been hinted at that their method is different from the Elder God and Moebius, but the specifics aren't given.

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*** WordOfGod says that the Hylden and the Hylden Lord can look into Nosgoth's timestream to see the future, which is how they planned everything out. Its It's been hinted at that their method is different from the Elder God and Moebius, but the specifics aren't given.



** It wasn't that Raziel evolved something "better" than Kain, its that he evolved ''before'' Kain. Vampire evolution doesn't happen gradually; they enter a hibernation every few decades or centuries, and come out of it with a new gift. They do this in order; Kain first, then Raz, so on and so forth, presumably absent their control. Raz happened to lapse into the state of change before Kain did, and that was the problem, even though it was mainly an excuse.

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** It wasn't that Raziel evolved something "better" than Kain, its it's that he evolved ''before'' Kain. Vampire evolution doesn't happen gradually; they enter a hibernation every few decades or centuries, and come out of it with a new gift. They do this in order; Kain first, then Raz, so on and so forth, presumably absent their control. Raz happened to lapse into the state of change before Kain did, and that was the problem, even though it was mainly an excuse.
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* This troper is a trained vet who worked for 3 years at a wildlife shelter in New Mexico, and thus knows enough about bat wings to know that the way Kain ripped the bone structure off Raziel's wings is simply impossible. The bones in a bat's wing are very fragile, and the skin very tight, even if Kain was able to rip them out in one piece expect a lot more damage wing's surface than seem in game, if a bat breaks the wrong bone in the wrong place, it's entire wing can rip in half under it's own weight. Even if Kain was able to rip off the entire bone structure in one piece without tearing them, then the wings still wouldn't be in one piece, each section would fall to the ground without the bones connecting them. In short, the most Raziel would have is a very short flap of tissue at the very base of his back. Sorry, something of a WallBanger to me.

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* This troper is a trained vet who worked for 3 years at a wildlife shelter in New Mexico, and thus knows enough about bat wings to know that the way Kain ripped the bone structure off Raziel's wings is simply impossible. The bones in a bat's wing are very fragile, and the skin very tight, even if Kain was able to rip them out in one piece expect a lot more damage wing's surface than seem in game, if a bat breaks the wrong bone in the wrong place, it's entire wing can rip in half under it's own weight. Even if Kain was able to rip off the entire bone structure in one piece without tearing them, then the wings still wouldn't be in one piece, each section would fall to the ground without the bones connecting them. In short, the most Raziel would have is a very short flap of tissue at the very base of his back. Sorry, something of a WallBanger to me.



** I think that the problem here is that while the Vet who brought up this issue is apparently an expert on the bone and tissue structures of a bat, he's in a minority which doesn't include the makers of the LegacyOfKain series. I think that the best solution would be to accept that this lies somewhere between a {{wallbanger}} and DidNotDoTheResearch, albeit one that can be forgiven for a feature of the series that is more important to the gameplay than the plot, and the plot is definitely among the strongest points (if not the strongest point) of the series.

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** I think that the problem here is that while the Vet who brought up this issue is apparently an expert on the bone and tissue structures of a bat, he's in a minority which doesn't include the makers of the LegacyOfKain series. I think that the best solution would be to accept that this lies somewhere between a {{wallbanger}} wall banger and DidNotDoTheResearch, albeit one that can be forgiven for a feature of the series that is more important to the gameplay than the plot, and the plot is definitely among the strongest points (if not the strongest point) of the series.
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* For people who care so much about the cycle of life, death and rebirth, the ancient vampires sure have a lot of undead guarding their forges in ''Soul Reaver 2'', which clearly have souls. Apparently corrected in ''Defiance'', where their [[RagnarokProofing Ragnarok Proof]] security is handled by golems.

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*** If that's the case, couldn't they have at least made the fanservice [[DistractedbytheSexy decent]] instead of... well, ''really ugly'' [[ErectionRejection "fetish" gear]]? Not everyone, [[MostGamersAreMale including the targeted demographic]] thinks of dental floss as fanservice. They could have gone with OfCorsetsSexy, for example (still impractical, but at least it's pretty).
*** You may think it's ugly, others may think it's not. Eye of the beholder, and all that.

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*** If that's the case, couldn't they have at least made the fanservice [[DistractedbytheSexy decent]] instead of... well, ''really ugly'' [[ErectionRejection "fetish" gear]]? Not everyone, [[MostGamersAreMale including the targeted demographic]] thinks of dental floss as fanservice. They could have gone with OfCorsetsSexy, for example (still impractical, but at least it's pretty).
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*** You may think it's ugly, others may think it's not. Eye of the beholder, and all that.
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*** If that's the case, couldn't they have at least made the fanservice [[DistractedbytheSexy decent]] instead of... well, ''really ugly'' [[ErectionRejection "fetish" gear]]?

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*** If ***If that's the case, couldn't they have at least made the fanservice [[DistractedbytheSexy decent]] instead of... well, ''really ugly'' [[ErectionRejection "fetish" gear]]?
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***If that's the case, couldn't they have at least made the fanservice [[DistractedbytheSexy decent]] instead of... well, ''really ugly'' [[ErectionRejection "fetish" gear]]?
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** MaleGaze[=/=]{{Fanservice}} really is probably the only reason. That said, the armor the men wear doesn't really make a ton of difference anyway.
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* Ignoring MaleGaze, [[{{Stripperiffic}} the women's outfits]] annoy the hell out of me. I can understand the vampires, but what about the humans? The lack of coverage doesn't offer much protection from attackers or [[ExposedToTheElements the cold]], and [[DoubleStandard the men are generally covered up.]]

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* Ignoring MaleGaze, [[{{Stripperiffic}} the women's outfits]] annoy the hell out of me. I can understand the vampires, but what about the humans? The lack of coverage doesn't offer much protection from attackers or [[ExposedToTheElements the cold]], and [[DoubleStandard the men are generally covered up.]]
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* Ignoring MaleGaze, [[{{Stripperiffic}} the women's outfits]] annoy the hell out of me. I can understand the vampires, but what about the humans? The lack of coverage doesn't offer much protection from attackers or [[ExposedToTheElements the cold]], and considering they work for the [[KnightTemplar Sarafan]], I doubt such a puritanical organization would approve of such "indecency".
** Where's it ever said the Sarafan are puritanical? They're defined by their hunting of vampires pretty much entirely--there's no mention of how they feel about things other than that.
** It's not explicitly said, but it was [[YourMilageMayVary arguably hinted at]] during the games. Plus, [[DoubleStandard the men are generally covered up,]] along with human women who ''aren't'' vampire hunters.

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* Ignoring MaleGaze, [[{{Stripperiffic}} the women's outfits]] annoy the hell out of me. I can understand the vampires, but what about the humans? The lack of coverage doesn't offer much protection from attackers or [[ExposedToTheElements the cold]], and considering they work for the [[KnightTemplar Sarafan]], I doubt such a puritanical organization would approve of such "indecency".
** Where's it ever said the Sarafan are puritanical? They're defined by their hunting of vampires pretty much entirely--there's no mention of how they feel about things other than that.
** It's not explicitly said, but it was [[YourMilageMayVary arguably hinted at]] during the games. Plus,
[[DoubleStandard the men are generally covered up,]] along with human women who ''aren't'' vampire hunters.up.]]
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** It's not explicitly said, but it was [[YourMilageMayVary arguably hinted at]] during the games. Plus, [[DoubleStandard the men are generally covered up.]]

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** It's not explicitly said, but it was [[YourMilageMayVary arguably hinted at]] during the games. Plus, [[DoubleStandard the men are generally covered up.]]up,]] along with human women who ''aren't'' vampire hunters.
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**It's not explicitly said, but it was [[YourMilageMayVary arguably hinted at]] during the games. Plus, [[DoubleStandard the men are generally covered up.]]
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** Where's it ever said the Sarafan are puritanical? They're defined by their hunting of vampires pretty much entirely--there's no mention of how they feel about things other than that.
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* [[{{Stripperiffic}} The women's outfits.]] I can understand the vampires, but what about the humans? The lack of coverage doesn't offer much protection from attackers or [[ExposedToTheElements the cold]], and considering they work for the [[KnightTemplar Sarafan]], I doubt such a puritanical organization would approve of such "indecency".

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* Ignoring MaleGaze, [[{{Stripperiffic}} The the women's outfits.]] outfits]] annoy the hell out of me. I can understand the vampires, but what about the humans? The lack of coverage doesn't offer much protection from attackers or [[ExposedToTheElements the cold]], and considering they work for the [[KnightTemplar Sarafan]], I doubt such a puritanical organization would approve of such "indecency".
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* [[{{Stripperiffic}} The women's outfits.]] I can understand the vampires, but what about the humans? The lack of coverage doesn't offer much protection from attackers or [[ExposedToTheElements the cold]], and considering they work for the [[KnightTemplar Sarafan]], I doubt such a puritanical organization would approve of such "indecency".
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** Kain may not have had access to the Chronoplast anymore at that time. Also, waiting around 500 years carries some risks--Kain probably doesn't want to give his enemies too many chances to do him in, for example.
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* Kain going through the Oracle's(Elder God's) time portal in Defiance is an annoying example of San Dimas Time that annoys the hell out of me. Kain could sit around and wait five hundred years and stop Raziel before he ever got to Avernus. Failing that, Kain's demonstrated that he can move around the timeline easily enough, as he did in Soul Reaver 2.

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*** WordOfGod says that the Hylden and the Hylden Lord can look into Nosgoth's timestream to see the future, which is how they planned everything out. Its been hinted at that their method is different from the Elder God and Moebius, but the specifics aren't given.




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** It wasn't that Raziel evolved something "better" than Kain, its that he evolved ''before'' Kain. Vampire evolution doesn't happen gradually; they enter a hibernation every few decades or centuries, and come out of it with a new gift. They do this in order; Kain first, then Raz, so on and so forth, presumably absent their control. Raz happened to lapse into the state of change before Kain did, and that was the problem, even though it was mainly an excuse.
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** Kain probably told him something about it over the couple thousand years that Raz was his right hand man. Kain probably didn't mean the Elder God, but that...''thing'' that possessed Mortanius at the end of the first game.
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* Raziel does his time-hopping thing and finds Ariel by the pillars. Raziel then states "the pillars were subverted by dark forces invited by the guardians themselves". When did he figure this out? Sure Moebius has that thing going with the Elder God, but that deal being the cause seems little more than speculation at that time.

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** More than any of that... if Raziel didn't leave the underworld, then he couldn't have ever ripped out Kain's heart. Remember, pretty much every action Raziel takes in Defiance was orchestrated by the Elder God, the Hylden Lord, and Moebius. Why let Raziel escape? Because it serves his purposes.



** The fact that Raziel still has the wraith blade is meant to show that, though he was saved at that point, him going into the Reaver was inevitable. That's why he's stuck in the spectral realm til the beginning of Defiance: He's ''scared shitless'' of it happening, and figures the only way to avoid it is to keep his ass away from the reaver.\\

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** The fact that Raziel still has the wraith blade is meant to show that, though he was saved at that point, him going into the Reaver was inevitable. That's why he's stuck in the spectral realm til the beginning of Defiance: He's ''scared shitless'' of it happening, and figures the only way to avoid it is to keep his ass away from the reaver.\\reaver.
** This must be a very old entry, because [[spoiler: Raziel willingly enters the Reaver at the end of Defiance. There's no conflict here. Obviously at some point the Soul Reaver finds its way back to Moebius's hands to be given to William the Just, and from there to the Sarafan stronghold to be restored by Raziel, and at some point beyond that to Avernus to be picked up by Kain.]]



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** RuleOfCool, RuleOfCool, RuleOfCool. Raziel's ruined wings are important thematically as well as for gameplay purposes. From the beginning he was supposed to be a fallen angel type character seeking redemption, and from there it sort of evolved into him being a twisted echo of the original elder race that became the vampires who ruled over the Pillars (though clearly not the first vampires, as the Hylden vamp in BO2 seems to indicate.)



*** As for Kain retaining his memories, I always assumed it was due to the temporal distortion - it hadn't yet faded, so that's why Kain knew about both histories - he wasn't meant to but being at the place of the temporal distortion managed to "preserve" his memories. Same thing happens in [=BO1=] - Kain was at ground zero of the temporal distortion, since he was wielding the Reaver (the source of the distortion), which I always assumed made him at least partially "immune" or something.\\

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*** As for Kain retaining his memories, I always assumed it was due to the temporal distortion - it hadn't yet faded, so that's why Kain knew about both histories - he wasn't meant to but being at the place of the temporal distortion managed to "preserve" his memories. Same thing happens in [=BO1=] - Kain was at ground zero of the temporal distortion, since he was wielding the Reaver (the source of the distortion), which I always assumed made him at least partially "immune" or something.\\something.
*** WordOfGod: Changing history caused a split in the timeline of sorts. Kain and Raziel would both retain memories of how things played out for them, as well as new, "valid" memories of how things occurred as a result of the change. SR1 is therefore old stuff, and in all likelihood very little was changed around that time anyways. Kain himself said that history strains to accommodate the new circumstance while changing as little as possible.



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** He doesn't refer to Kain by name when gloating over Raziel. It's possible that he didn't know who the hell Raziel actually was, or who the Scion of Balance was. He certainly didn't know that Kain survived having the Heart torn out. Moebius and the Elder God have one thing that he doesn't: temporal omniscience, or at least in Moebius's case the ability to look into the future with the aid of magic.




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** Another possibility: The Sluagh are not "vermin," as EG refers to them, but the twisted, mutated forms of the creatures that are supposed to be reapers of souls. He obviously views them as competition, which is why he wants Raziel to kill them whenever he encounters them. Though this is heading down a WMG path...




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** How does that make any sense whatsoever? Why would he go to the human citadel and raise an army when he was perfectly capable of attaining the vengeance he sought all by himself?


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*** WordOfGod from Amy Hennig states that the Pillars did not call new guardians because they were not capable of it. When they were corrupted, they could not call new guardians and would not be able to unless and until Kain purified them again by wiping out the Circle of Nine. Obviously, when he let them fall, no guardians could be called at all.
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*** RuleOfCool and EvilIsStylish. The man can pull off wearing leather pants, and pull it off well. Besides, as outlined above, he was the Emperor of Nosgoth, surrounded by generation upon generation of his progeny and armed with the most powerful weapon to ever exist. He can turn into mist and teleport at will, in addition to throwing people around like ragdolls with his ''mind.'' He is functionally immortal in every sense of the word. Sarafan poke at him all the live-long day in Defiance, and it doesn't bother him at all. In short, screw your stupid armor, I'm Kain and you can effing deal with it.
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** I'm guessing whatever Mortanius did at the beginning of the game kept the guardianship from passing on.
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* Hang on. If a new guardian is born when the old one dies, and Kain is assassinated at the beginning of ''Blood Omen'', where's the next guardian?
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** Yeah, the "he evolved before me" thing was an excuse, not the real reason. Kain was simply waiting for that change to come, and after he dunked Raziel, it was only a matter of waiting some more, so he didn't care what the others evolved into.
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** Kain got over it. When it was only Raziel changing he was envious. When all his other lieutenants started evolving soon after, he just threw up his hands in frustration and figured there was nothing he could do. One clan of vampires could be exterminated but even Kain couldn't destroy the entirety of the vampire race by himself, even if he wanted to. Later (both in this game, and the "I always knew" retcon for the later games) he could see by means of the chronoplast that Raziel would need to be executed and consume the souls of his brothers in order to play the game of destiny (or cheat the game of destiny, whatever).
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* Raziel was executed for surpassing Kain in evolution, yet Rahab evolved immunity to water and gets to live. The dialog when Raziel meets him in the drowned abbey suggests that he's not on bad terms with Kain. Is the sunlight vulnerability such a hindrance that Kain overlooked Rahab surpassing him?

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* Here's a thought, Raziel. You were told to kill off your brothers. Why not raise up an army of humans and take them over? Here's a better thought: Don't. Do. Anything. Just go back to your clan territory and hold up in there because, every move you make? Makes everything WORSE.

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* Here's a thought, Raziel. You were told to kill off your brothers. Why not raise up an army of humans and take them over? Here's a better thought: Don't. Do. Anything. Just go back to your clan territory and hold up in there because, every move you make? Makes everything WORSE. WORSE.
** A. The humans clearly aren't very good at killing off vampires, as evidenced by the fact that, well, the vampires took over the planet. B. Yes, because Raziel knows the consequences of actions he hadn't even thought of yet. It's only after Soul Reaver 2 that he even sees the results of a lot of what he's done, you expect him to sit around and do ''nothing'' at the beginning?

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** {{Lampshaded}} by an interview. When asked a similar question, Hennig responded, "Because he'd look silly bald."


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* Here's a thought, Raziel. You were told to kill off your brothers. Why not raise up an army of humans and take them over? Here's a better thought: Don't. Do. Anything. Just go back to your clan territory and hold up in there because, every move you make? Makes everything WORSE.
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* Of all the things that decayed when Raziel was thrown into the abyss (his jaw, hands and feet, much of his torso) his ''hair'' remains intact.

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