History Headscratchers / KingdomHeartsHeadscratchersThree

* Is Ansem's Guardian/Dark Figure a Heartless or a countrust?

** That might be just WildMassGuessing, but whatever. Anyone ever heard the saying: "The world does not revolve around you"? Well in the KH-Universe, it seems to be a lie, since every main character is the most important person in this universe, with certain exceptions like Traverse Town and Destiny Island. Heck, some worlds were destroyed after certain main-chars disappeared (Snowwhite, Cinderella, Aurora). Without those characters, the people wouldn't know what to do. And if the story ends? Wel,l I guess then awful sequels will enter the next story. (Yes, I know the worlds got destroyed, because of the Heartless and the keyhole, but seriously: What would the Princes do without their princess?)

*** The small sections of the worlds we see on the map screen are probably just representations of them. In reality, they're all whole planets with different areas. This is proven by Kingdom Hearts III, where Hercules' world is shown to have much more to itthan just the area around Olympus Coliseum and the Underworld.

** Besides making the programming easier? Maybe because they are more like GATES to the other worlds? Instead of using the corridor of darkness, (or maybe End of the World is in fact the physial manifistation of the Corridor of darkness itself), Heartless could enter the worlds from there?

* Where are the all military forces in the series? As you travel through and visit the worlds, they're mostly nations with organized power structures, and yet they seem to lack any form of organized defence forces. Just to take some examples: where were King Mickey's Royal Guard when the Heartless attacked Disney Castle and its queen, or where were the Palace Guard of Agrabah to defend the city and its princess from the same threat? Why weren't any mermaid soldiers patrolling around Atlantica to make sure the Heartless wouldn't penetrate the city, no less King Triton's throne? And why didn't the Hollow Bastion Restoration Committee deem it necessary to form a militia of armed and trained citizens to defend their city, considering that the other side have like milions of Heartless just waiting to attack? And why does it seem that the Chinese Army is only made of one captain, a handful of soldiers, which one of them is a FNG, and three foreign volunteers? And where were the Royal Navy of Port Royal when the undead pirates and their heartless allies attacked the city and kidnapped the governor's daughter? Gees, with this lack of any armed forces in the series on your side, it's no wonder why the heartless almost conquered the entire universe before Sora stepped in. I mean, if you've got any weapon and know how to use it, the heartless aren't actually that much of a threat, especially toward to entire armies with weapons and men who know how to use them.

** That still don't make any sense. The broom servents don't look at all like soldiers, so they can't be the Royal Guard, and it's illogical to think that the Royal Guard is made of just two guys. Agrabah might have been through a coup, but by the time of the second game, the city has pretty much recovered from it so it should be some guards around protecting the city, and specially the palace, from the Heartless. Atlantica's mermaid soldiers appeared in the films several times, so they should be in the games as well aiding you in your battles. So you've to wonder why they don't appear, like ever, when the entire universe is about to become TheHeartless' own playing field.

** ''[=358/2 Days=]'' elaborates on this. Non-Keyblade wielders ''can'' destroy heartless, but cannot capture the released hearts [=and/or=] send them to Kingdom Hearts: instead, they just turn back into heartless over and over. The reason Sora and Roxas can't harm them ''at all'' without the keyblade is because [[RealityEnsues they're using toy swords instead of real ones]]; Sora's magic still hurts them just fine, as do Beast's claws.

* Something that's been bugging me for a while. Apparently, there was a Keyblade War before the events of ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsX'', when the Master of Masters was a child. What I would like to know is: Was the X-Blade shattered during the original War, or the one the Player fights in?

* So I'm probably making a mountain out of a molehill, as I'm wont to do, but does anyone know what in the hell that star-shaped [[BuffySpeak door-thingy]] in Traverse Town is? You know, that thing next to the gate to the first district, next to that exposed bit of wiring you zap with a Thunder spell? It's never explained, and so far as I know, has nothing to do with any Disney movie like the Lady and the Tramp fountain. Is there actually any point to it? I've been a fan of this series for six years now, and I know no more about that door than when I first played the game.

* We have one Sora. Inside of him, there are multiple other people running around, such as Roxas and Xion. And maybe some others, not playing BBS has left a large gap in my canon understanding. It's been stated that Roxas is perfectly aware of everything, he just can't do anything. If Roxas and the other 'personalities', so to speak, were able to emerge and take control of the body, would that make Sora a schizo? I mean, it doesn't seem too hard for Roxas or Xion to take control when Sora's sleeping.

** Nomura is reluctant to use characters he didn't design himself, I heard. Vivi was put in due to popular demand and sidelined as much as possible.
*** Even by that logic, why is Sephiroth the only ''[=FF=]'' villain that has ever appeared in the KH series to date? Yes, he's a cash cow, but there's so much potential for interesting redesigns of other villains like Ultimecia and Seymour (that is, if we MUST stick to Nomura's; after all, Exdeath and Kefka would be '''very''' welcome entrants in [[@/TheHeroHartmut my]] book, too).

* The raft plan. It seems stupid, even for a bunch of kids. They didn't have much food, little water, and they planned on going on a flimsy raft. If they managed to sail out there, I doubt they'd last a day; they'd probably run back whining to their parents if the plot hadn't came along. Even if they managed to sail for a while, they'd probably die at sea. They didn't even appear to tell their parents, which adds damage to injury.
** They probably figured they'd hit another world before running out of supplies. As for getting lost at sea, I believe they felt that their world was so small that if they didn't get to another world, they'd just end up on the other side of the island. I don't think they'd go whining to their parents, as they seemed pretty aware that their plan may not work, if their conversation during the sunset is anything to go by:

* What are the Worlds? What I mean is, is there more to them then what we see? Are they complete planets, or just one area?

*** I think the small sections of the worlds we see on the map screen are just representations of them. In reality, they're all whole planets with different areas. This is proven by Kingdom Hearts III, where Hercules' world is shown to have much more to itthan just the area around Olympus Coliseum and the Underworld.
* I don't quite understand why practically everywhere on the site that mentions it says that the fact that Ansem, Seeker of Darkness was actually Xehanort's Heartless is a RetCon. Given how ridiculously important Xehanort is to the plot of the series, is there really any solid indication that Nomura didn't plan that from the start? The only real argument, as far as I can think of, is that Mickey also mistook Xehanort's Heartless for Ansem (OrSoIHeard, having never actually played Reverse/Rebirth), but when I think about, it there's a plausible explanation for that. Apparently, Mickey only ever saw Xehanort once, ten years ago, for a few minutes at the longest. At the time, he had no idea how important this guy was going to be, so it's not like we could reasonably expect him to remember Xehanort's name and face. Additionally, Ansem, Seeker of Darkness actually looks fairly different from Xehanort, especially compared to Xemnas... he has a different hairstyle, his eyes turned gold from using darkness, and his skin is darker than Xehanort's. Add in the fact that Ansem, Seeker of Darkness's outfit makes him look much more muscular than labcoat-clad Xehanort, and remind yourself that Mickey has no real reason to remember Xehanort in any great detail, and it's entirely plausible for him not to make the connection. As for why he believed that Ansem, Seeker of Darkness was the real Ansem, it's been shown (particularly by [=DiZ=]) that Darkness can drastically alter a person's appearance. Since Ansem, Seeker of Darkness appears to be the ''only'' case of a human-shaped Heartless, you could probably forgive Mickey for thinking that the Darkness had completely altered Ansem's appearance. Once he had some time to think it over, though, he realized that Ansem, Seeker of Darkness looked familiar, and eventually pieced together that he was an impostor (particularly if he'd seen Xemnas, then he really would have understood that it wasn't Ansem).

** I have something to add to this that I find interesting - Mickey doesn't know DiZ is Ansem the Wise when they first meet up in Chain of Memories, he just feels like they've met before. In KH2, Mickey mentions the same thing with Xemnas. The thing is, when Mickey mentions that, he states almost instantly afterwards that he doesn't know who 'Ansem' is, just that he knows the feeling, and it sounds like he is trying to work it out on the spot.

*** Could be true. The page that Piglet was on was torn off, yet it's possible everyone in the torn pages were in stasis until they were restored. For them, no time passes, but in reality, [[{{YearInsideHourOutside}} at most nine years have passed for Pooh]]. I consider the pages being torn very similar to the worlds being consumed, and that in both cases, only Sora can restore them.

*** Who's to say that Leon and Yuffie appearing in the Colosseum is actually canon? Anyway, my point is that Gummi Ships must be rather common, as Cid and Gepetto can afford to have shops to sell them, yet we never see any other Gummi Ships or anyone using them. You'd think we'd see some kind of evidence of Gummi Ship use.

* Maybe the {{Kudzu Plot}} is getting to me, but if Ven, Roxas, and whomever are restored, will Sora lose his keyblade? Or was him obtaining the blade meant for Riku permanent and not related to Ventus's heart being present?
** Considering that he's able to take the Keyblade back from Riku in Hollow Bastion, I'd say it's his now. Plus, the fact that Aqua considered performing the Keyblade Rite of Succession with him has to mean something.

** I don't think the World of Darkness works like the real world. Food probably simply isn't a concern.
** Considering Aqua didn't even age there despite being trapped in the realm for 10 years, I don't think they need food in that world.
* About this Keyblade inheritance ritual that we see in BBS. We see it performed intentionally when Terra lets Riku put his hand on the hilt and then recites that speech and this is how Riku gets the ability to wield the Keyblade. I've heard other people say that when Aqua meets Kairi and she puts her hand on Aqua's keyblade this was an unintentional passing on of the Keyblade, and this is why Kairi can wield that Keyblade later on. Makes enough sense, but now that I think of this, my mind is drawn back to [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXx-vAFFVX4&feature=related this]] scene from Kingdom Hearts 2. Of course Sora only did this because he was trying to show Jack that only he can wield the Keyblade (at least at the time, as far as we or he knew). But just think of the significance that at that time Sora willingly let Jack take it out of his hand and Aqua didn't even realize that Kairi touched hers. Goofy, who despite being the dumb one, is also the sage, even says that he thinks Jack will wield the Keyblade one day. My mind was blown when I realized all this.

** Only Keyblade Masters can pass on the ability to have and wield a Keyblade, and Sora is not a Keyblade Master like Aqua and Terra were (Aqua was named a Master while Terra was a Master in all but title). Sora's strong, but it takes more than strength to be a true Keyblade Master and Sora are lacking some of the required credentials. So no, Jack will not be able to wield a Keyblade someday.
*** I don't think pirates would make good Keyblade welders. Most [[{{IncrediblyLamePun}} ARR]] thieves, after all, and unless you're VideoGame/SlyCooper, thievery means darkness.

** The tropes you are looking for are called "{{Tsundere}}", "{{Kuudere}}", and "{{Ukefication}}".

* Is it just me, or does this series make the Disney Villains much more malice? For example, both [[Film/TronLegacy Clu]] and [[WesternAnimation/{{Cinderella}} Lady Tremaine]] are clearly worse than in their respective films, plus [[WesternAnimation/TheLionKing1994 Scar]] is one of two known beings in the universe to retain his original form as a Heartless (the other being [[spoiler:Ansem, a.k.a., [[BigBad Xehanort]]]]).

*** Way to go retconning ''Cinderella III'' and the remaining ''Pirates of the Caribbean'' films by making Anastasia a JerkWithAHeartOfJerk and Barbossa pure evil. This troper really wants to see the latter return...

* Why is it that Sora has memories from his time as a Heartless and not his time as a Nobody [[spoiler: until the endgame portion of DDD where he absorbs Roxas' memories]], while all of the Organization members have their memories as Nobodies from the get-go after becoming whole? Isn't the Heartless supposed to be the original conciousness (or at least what's left of it, considering how Lexeus says in Reverse/Rebirth that Sora is the only person to turn into a Heartless and not lose his will)? From what I understand, the Nobodies are just the result of bodies of the individuals that turned into Heartless creating new consciousnesses to move around with. This explains why Sora, as some sort of "Reverse Heartless", was able to keep on existing while Roxas was alive. Since his conciosuness isn't directly tied into Roxas', he didn't get any of his Nobodies' memories when he and Roxas became whole, like how Kairi didn't get any of Namine's memories when she absorbed her. Is it just maybe the fact that the Heartless and Nobodies of the Organization members getting defeated and not willingly recombined into one whole the explanation for them getting a presumable mix of Nobody and Heartless memories whereas Sora and Kairi only had their memories as Heartless (I'm technically counting Kairi's comatose state as her "Heartless")?
* What the hell is up with those doors that Pete, Sora, and co. to travel to Timeless River? Due to several revelations regarding time travel in ''Kingdom Hearts'', how does it even exist? It's explicitly stated in ''Dream Drop Distance'' that [[spoiler: you can't change the past, and everything is pre-destined]]. However, when Pete tries to steal the Cornerstone of Light, it allows Maleficent to start growing her thorns in Disney Castle, which she couldn't do before. Granted, they're slow changes to the timeline, but they're still changes, which directly contradicts [[spoiler: Young Xehanort's]] statements. I honestly find it extremely hard to believe that this type of magic could exist without Xehanort immediately trying to get ahold of it. So, has the door just been retconned out of existence like Deep Jungle? Who even sent it in the first place, anyways? I just wanna know who heard Pete's whining and complaining about Maleficent and just randomly decided to give him a magic door that could apparently break the laws of the universe so he could relive his days of nostalgia.

* Bear with me, because the only game in the series I haven't played is Dream Drop Distance which is what stirs my questions because I know of several details. So nobodies are capable of growing new hearts, which several of them were in the process of doing without realizing it. But also apparently if someone's heartless AND nobody are defeated, they become their original self again. So a question: If a nobody fully grows a new heart, could they still be considered the original self despite the fact that it wasn't their original heart? Like if Axel never died and fully gained a new heart, would he still have ended up as Lea again like he did when his nobody and heartless are defeated, or does he become just stay the way he is, only now being human and not a nobody?

* Okay, maybe it's just me, but there's something kinda weird with the fandom...Why is it that almost everyone is mischaracterized in the fandom? You have things like Kairi being turned into an evil slut or Sora and Riku turn into the dumb girly kids. Not to mention Org XIII being turned as a whole into either retards or sexual deviants...Urgh, just why? It's just creepy.
** That's how fanfic writers of every fandom act. Best to just ignore them.
* I dunno if someone had mentioned it ... but why does Hikari translate into Simple and Clean? The lyrical meanings are completely different. I get the KH vibes from Hikari's translation (about light and darkness and all), but YMMV, Simple and Clean seemed to be just an annoying pop songs for me.

* All this time I thought the Kingdom Hearts from BBS and KH 1 were the same entity, but after scouring the Wiki it seems like there's not two, but ''three'' different Kingdom Hearts. There's the original Kingdom Hearts (the source of all light) fought over during the Keyblade War, the Kingdom Hearts made of the hearts of worlds consumed by the Heartless in KH 1, and the artificial Kingdom Hearts made by Organization XIII from people's hearts in KH 2. Is that correct? Or am I missing something here?
* Why do people keep using the term "Somebody" (with a capital S) for the "original version" of a person who became a Heartless and Nobody? They're called "Others", people. Roxas even says it to Sora in ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsII'' - "You make a good Other." I get that "Somebody" and "Nobody" sound like good parallels, but really, there's already an official term, so there's no excuse not to use it.
* Maybe I just missed it, but: You need Darkness to operate the Dark Corridors, correct? At the end of KHII, [[spoiler:Riku lost the ability to use them for that reason]], and in KHIII, [[spoiler:Ienzo says that none of the former Nobodies can use them to track Even/Vexen]]. So far, so good; but in that case, how/why [[spoiler:can Lea still use them]] in [=KH3D=]? Anything I missed about him, just an oversight, or does he have something important to tell us that we might find out in the next game(s)?

* Is it just me, or does this series make the Disney Villains much more malice? For example, both [[Film/TronLegacy Clu]] and [[Disney/{{Cinderella}} Lady Tremaine]] are clearly worse than in their respective films, plus [[Disney/TheLionKing Scar]] is one of two known beings in the universe to retain his original form as a Heartless (the other being [[spoiler:Ansem, a.k.a., [[BigBad Xehanort]]]]).

* If all the Disney worlds in ''Kingdom Hearts χ'' contain a Princess of Heart, why isn't [[{{Disney/Cinderella}} Castle of Dreams]] included?

** According to [[{{Disney/Aladdin}} Genie]], at least 200 years have passed since the Keyblade War. But there is no way I could see the princesses as immortal. If they are, why is Kairi a teenager then; if she's immortal, shouldn't she remain four years old forever? I also believe that reincarnation into a different girl is the only way the pure hearts would've remain in this universe for 200+ years, and as of [=KH3D=], the seven girls (and their ages) are Belle (age unknown), Snow White (26), Aurora (28), Alice (14), Jasmine (age unknown), Cinderella (age unknown) and Kairi (16). Besides, only elements of the game are canon.

** There's a sidestory in [=KH2=] about Scrooge trying to recreate the sea-salt ice cream flavor, meaning that outside of Twilight Town-- which might have gotten it thanks to [=DiZ=]-- that flavor hadn't been around. Considering there's a 10 year difference between BBS and KH, Axel probably just forgot what the original flavor was actually like. It's like when you try a food you remember from your childhood; chances are you won't remember it exactly. It was probably just the normal BLEH reflex everyone has with sea-salt ice cream.

** Although, there is some basis for the idea. Roxas left the Organization completely ignoring Axel's desire for him to stay ([[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmMLNZup7BE as shown here]]), while Axel has already died once trying to bring Roxas back. Thus, shippers are likely to {{Flanderize}} Axel as either the DoggedNiceGuy of the pair, or Roxas' UnwantedHarem of one. In addition, Roxas frequently expresses frustration and even ''hate'' during the time he forgets he's a Nobody, while Axel and Lea have always been more confident and friendly ([[CharacterizationMarchesOn Castle Oblivion aside]]). Axel really only shows ''anger'' when he's under orders to harm his friends, creating a contrast that makes Roxas seem like he has anger issues.

*** I don't think pirates would make good Keyblade welders. Most [[{{IncrediblyLamePun}} ARR]] thieves, after all, and unless you're Franchise/SlyCooper, thievery means darkness.

*** I've always understood it like this; Disney gets more screen-time than Final Fantasy because the explicitly KingdomHearts characters are seen as more of Square's thing. The original content and the Disney stuff usually balances out, which lends credence to this theory.

** It was read by many as a needless overcomplication of a story that seemed to basically hold together without the need to introduce the Xehanort plot element. What's more, it marked the beginning of the KingdomHearts storyline becoming mired in needlessly overcomplicated cryptic nonsense rather than fundimentally simplistic but endearingly well-natured as the first game had been. It also estranged and confused younger fans, driving away or alienating a significant part of the fanbase. The Xehanort-Heartless/Ansem-Identity-Theft plot element is just an easily recognizable milestone to point to and say "Yes, that! That's where shit got asinine!".

*** There may be more to these worlds than just what the heroes see. It's probably like with ''Franchise/JakAndDaxter'': a place only becomes important if the plot requires the characters to visit it. I've always believed that areas such as the Lair of the 40 Thieves in Agrabah or the [[{{BuffySpeak}} place where Hercules grew up]] in Olympus Coliseum exist in the series; we just never see them because it's not important to the plot.

*** Wait a go to retcon ''Cinderella III'' and the remaining ''Pirates of the Caribbean'' films by making Anastasia a JerkWithAHeartOfJerk and Barbossa pure evil. This troper really wants to see the later return...

*** There may be more to these worlds than just what the heroes see. It's probably like with ''JakAndDaxter'': a place only becomes important if the plot requires the characters to visit it. I've always believed that areas such as the Lair of the 40 Thieves in Agrabah or the [[{{BuffySpeak}} place where Hercules grew up]] in Olympus Coliseum exist in the series; we just never see them because it's not important to the plot.

** One reason could be Japanese syllables in a sentence are longer than English ones (ex. ''Kyo wa gakkou ni ikimashita ka?'' (twelve syllables)[[note:]]Did you go to school today? (polite form; seven syllables)[[/note]] If they tried a literal translation it would sound off to the music, both in notes and timing. The other reason could be the localization team wanted to make it seem more like a love song to emphasize the relationship between Sora and Kairi.

** One reason could be Japanese syllables in a sentence are longer than English ones (ex. ''Kyo wa gakkou ni ikimashita ka?'' (twelve syllables)[[note:Did you go to school today? (seven syllables)[[/note]] If they tried a literal translation it would sound off to the music, both in notes and timing. The other reason could be the localization team wanted to make it seem more like a love song to emphasize the relationship between Sora and Kairi.