History Headscratchers / JesusChristSuperstar

11th Sep '17 7:31:24 PM andycyca
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** This is another instance where the writers have ShownTheirWork. A good portion of Jesus' teachings are relatively secular in nature, as in, they don't directly invoke any religion at all, but appeal to an inherent goodness in everyone. In fact, some scholars point out that Jesus never meant to start a new religion, and was sent merely to guide the Chosen People of God, away from the Old Covenant and into a [[https://www.gotquestions.org/new-covenant.html New one]]. In any case, it's possible to see Jesus' actions as a general appeal to kindness ([[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Works_of_mercy feed the hungry, give water to the thirsty, etc.]]) without any mention of his divinity. This is precisely what Judas sees as his "original message", and the whole point of ''Heaven on Their Minds'' is him saying "''This is cool and all, but people are calling you God and you're not stopping them and that's going to bring down some trouble''". In his view, the underlying message of Jesus was merely one of kindness, not one of complete religious overhauling.
18th Jan '17 3:25:53 PM MockFerret
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* Judas repeatedly emphasises that he feels Jesus has lost track of his original message and is starting to believe his own hype and divinity. So what, in his view, actually was this original message?



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29th Jul '15 4:28:03 AM Mooncinder
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** To be fair, that can also have a non-miraculous explanation, although YMMV on how far-fetched that would be. Jesus knew Peter well enough to predict the way he'd react in an interrogation, so maybe he just, correctly, assumed Peter would be asked about it and he'd deny having any connexion to Jesus. The whole 'I knew you would/wouldn't do it' trope (is it a trope?) has been done to death, and arguably it happens a lot in real life as well (e.g., a mother applies reverse psychology to get her kids to do the dishes, as she knows how they'll respond to it).

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** To be fair, that can also have a non-miraculous explanation, although YMMV on how far-fetched that would be. Jesus knew Peter well enough to predict the way he'd react in an interrogation, so maybe he just, correctly, assumed Peter would be asked about it and he'd deny having any connexion connection to Jesus. The whole 'I knew you would/wouldn't do it' trope (is it a trope?) has been done to death, and arguably it happens a lot in real life as well (e.g., a mother applies reverse psychology to get her kids to do the dishes, as she knows how they'll respond to it).
18th May '15 11:55:15 PM mlsmithca
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*** To be fair, the Bible doesn't say she WASN'T present, either. Some sources even say she was an apostle too[[note]](Creator/LeonardoDaVinci may have famously depicted her in his namesake painting--though [[YourMileageMayVary that's up to interpretation]])[[/note]].

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*** To be fair, the Bible doesn't say she WASN'T present, either. Some sources even say she was an apostle too[[note]](Creator/LeonardoDaVinci may have famously depicted her in his namesake painting--though [[YourMileageMayVary that's up to interpretation]])[[/note]].painting)[[/note]].
18th May '15 7:16:37 PM qpa
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* I've never understood why everyone's all "Oh my gosh, Jesus knew that Judas was going to betray him!!! ''How did he know???''" [[SarcasmMode It's not like Judas had been running around for the entire musical up to that point talking about how dangerous what Jesus is doing is, and how it's gotta stop now before the Romans get mad, and dude someone's gotta stop Jesus...]]

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* I've never understood why everyone's all "Oh my gosh, Jesus knew that Judas was going to betray him!!! ''How did he know???''" [[SarcasmMode It's not like Judas had been running around for the entire musical up to that point talking about how dangerous what Jesus is doing is, Jesus' actions are, and how it's gotta stop now before the Romans get mad, and dude someone's gotta stop Jesus...]]



** This troper has managed to avoid the films, but in the stage productions I've seen, they're typically depicted as the best of friends, and it's not so much "someone's gotta stop Jesus" as it is "Dude, you're in way over your head!"

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** This troper has managed to avoid Depending upon the films, but in the stage productions I've seen, production, they're typically often depicted as the best of friends, and it's not so much "someone's gotta stop Jesus" as it is "Dude, you're in way over your head!"



** Some productions correct this by featuring her at the last supper (in itself a headscratcher, I'd argue), and the priests' lyrics hint at a conveniently off screen pre-beating beating.
*** To be fair, the Bible doesn't say she WASN'T present, either. Some sources even say she was an apostle too.

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** Some productions correct this by featuring her at the last supper (in itself a headscratcher, I'd argue), Last Supper, and the priests' lyrics hint at a conveniently off screen pre-beating beating.
*** To be fair, the Bible doesn't say she WASN'T present, either. Some sources even say she was an apostle too.too[[note]](Creator/LeonardoDaVinci may have famously depicted her in his namesake painting--though [[YourMileageMayVary that's up to interpretation]])[[/note]].
14th Sep '14 8:56:50 AM Redmess
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*** To be fair, the Bible doesn't say she WASN'T present, either. Some sources even say she was an apostle too.
14th Sep '14 8:54:40 AM Redmess
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** I think they're surprise was more of just being shocked that he was ''capable'' of stabbing his friend in the back.

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** I think they're their surprise was more of just being shocked that he was ''capable'' of stabbing his friend in the back.
24th Feb '14 5:08:25 AM Kadavro
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*** When roman authority was lacking for a short period there was a whole swathe of executions,


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*** The payment also matched the lowest prescribed price for a human being.
11th Feb '14 1:44:10 AM GuzTheSnake
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** Early in Jewish legal doctrine, scholars took to maintaining such stringent demands on the evidence required to actually enforce capital punishment that people were rarely, if ever, executed. In the first century CE, it was generally agreed that "a Sanhedrin [the KangarooCourt Caiaphas presides over in the musical] that puts a man to death once in every seven years is called destructive", with some scholars arguing that the limit was more like seventy years.
1st Jan '14 9:22:28 AM seb1925
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** Occam's Razor: at some point in between the Last Supper and the denial, Peter came to Mary off-screen and told her a variation of 'can you believe what Christ told me? He said I'll deny him three times!'


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** It's not unheard of, both in fiction and RealLife, that a spy/traitor/whatever gets paid even against their will, either as a mean to share the guilt or to partly wash the other person's hands or simply not to owe them anything. There's at least a small amount of leverage if some time later that person comes back asking for a reward and you reply 'we've already paid you.'


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** To be fair, that can also have a non-miraculous explanation, although YMMV on how far-fetched that would be. Jesus knew Peter well enough to predict the way he'd react in an interrogation, so maybe he just, correctly, assumed Peter would be asked about it and he'd deny having any connexion to Jesus. The whole 'I knew you would/wouldn't do it' trope (is it a trope?) has been done to death, and arguably it happens a lot in real life as well (e.g., a mother applies reverse psychology to get her kids to do the dishes, as she knows how they'll respond to it).
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