History Headscratchers / InsideMan

9th May '16 11:57:31 AM JamesAustin
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*** It's not uncommon for actors to play characters older than the actors are themselves, and once people get to be the age Plummer is, it's simple enough to believe the character could be a few years older. Remember, Sean Connery's only a few years older than Harrison Ford, yet they played father and son in ''IndianaJonesAndTheLastCrusade''.

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*** It's not uncommon for actors to play characters older than the actors are themselves, and once people get to be the age Plummer is, it's simple enough to believe the character could be a few years older. Remember, Sean Connery's only a few years older than Harrison Ford, yet they played father and son in ''IndianaJonesAndTheLastCrusade''.''Film/IndianaJonesAndTheLastCrusade''.
6th May '16 5:38:18 PM Robotech_Master
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*** It's not uncommon for actors to play characters older than the actors are themselves, and once people get to be the age Plummer is, it's simple enough to believe the character could be a few years older. Remember, Sean Connery's only a few years older than Harrison Ford, yet they played father and son in ''IndianaJonesAndTheLastCrusade''.
6th May '16 5:34:38 PM Robotech_Master
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** Hubris. It's common among the rich and powerful. (Just look at any politician who goes down in scandal for something they could easily have concealed if they'd only thought they actually needed to. Or look at any corporate executive who makes a disastrous decision that was obviously stupid in retrospect.) Perhaps he would go and take out the ring and look at it as a reminder that he had never been caught. Perhaps it was meant to remind him of what he had to repent for. Perhaps he secretly wanted to be caught. There are plenty of reasons.
28th Apr '16 2:16:29 PM AzureOwl
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* Another plot hole regarding the identity of the female robber is that her physical appearance is a huge liability for the plan. It is distinct enough that if another large breasted brunette hadn't happen to coincidentally been in the bank that day, the female robber could've easily been identified by the other hostages regardless of their misdirection tricks on that regard. Unless the other large breasted brunette was a plant (which the movie in no way implies) they took a huge risk by making her participate in the heist.

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* Another plot hole regarding the identity of the female robber is that her physical appearance is a huge liability for the plan. It is distinct enough that if another large breasted brunette hadn't happen to coincidentally been in the bank that day, the female robber could've easily been identified by the other hostages regardless of their misdirection tricks on that regard. Unless the other large breasted brunette was a plant (which the movie in no way implies) they took a huge risk by making her the large breasted thief participate in the heist.
28th Apr '16 1:34:35 PM ZShogan
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* Why, after World War II broke out and it became clear that the Nazis were going to lose, would Arthur Case continue to hold on to evidence of his collaboration with them? If he'd just burned the documents, sold the diamonds one at a time over several years (or even decades), removed the diamond from the ring and sold that as well, and melted the band down for bullion, any evidence of his crimes would be gone, and he'd be in the clears.
27th Feb '16 1:31:19 AM shamblingdead2
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*** Case says "It was 60 years ago. I was young and ambitious. I saw a short path to success to success and I took it. I sold my soul and I've been trying to buy it back ever since." He could have been a teenager or in his twenties, since he states that what was in the safety deposit box was [[spoiler: along with a document, a ring and some diamonds from Jewish concentration camp victims. Which he then stole and sold to the highest bidder.]] Thievery doesn't require age or experience, and the Jewish "friends" could have been friends of his parents if he was a young man.
4th Dec '15 7:53:31 AM AzureOwl
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* Another plot hole regarding the identity of the female robber is that her physical appearance is a huge liability for the plan. It is distinct enough that if another large breasted brunette hadn't happen to coincidentally been in the bank that day, the female robber could've easily been identified by the other hostages regardless of their misdirection tricks on that regard. Unless the other large breasted brunette was a plant (which the movie in no way implies) they took a huge risk by making her participate in the heist.
15th Aug '15 10:07:28 PM dmcreif
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**** Not really a case of the media being bought off, but chasing bigger fish. Remember, we have one of the most powerful people in New York City about to be outed as a former Nazi collaborator, all due to a theatrical bank robbery that didn't actually happen, which was staged to out Case's past. The media would be having a field day with Case's connections and probably laud Dalton's team akin to Robin Hood. With no leads and pressure from Madeline's contacts to wrap things up, I highly doubt there will be much push to keep the case open. As for the hostages, they won't forget, but they probably are either thankful to have survived or just as amazed as anybody what really happened.

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**** Not really a case of the media being bought off, but chasing bigger fish. Remember, we have one of the most powerful people in New York City about to be outed as a former Nazi collaborator, all due to a theatrical bank robbery that didn't actually happen, which was staged by design, one of the most powerful people in New York City's high society is about to out Case's past.be outed as a former Nazi collaborator. The media would be having a field day with Case's connections and probably laud Dalton's team akin to Robin Hood. With no leads and pressure from Madeline's Madeleine White's contacts to wrap things up, I highly doubt there will be much push to keep the case open. As for the hostages, they won't forget, but they probably are either thankful to have survived or just as amazed as anybody what really happened.happened.
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** Dalton's crew didn't want to ''kill'' Case. Their objective was to out his past as a Nazi collaborator, which they could only achieve by breaking into his deposit box.

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** Dalton's crew didn't want to ''kill'' Case. Case dead. Their objective goal was to out his past him as a Nazi collaborator, which and that they could only achieve by breaking into his deposit box. box.
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** Keep in mind that this film was written and shot just a few years after the 9/11, so a relative of OBL buying a house in New York would probably face massive media attention and drawn the ire of the general public without someone to smooth things over. To this day some people are still sour about [[http://www.snopes.com/rumors/flights.asp the myth that Saudi Royals/Bin Laden family members were flown out of the country right after 9/11]], now try to imagine how they would have felt about the Bin Laden family buying property in New York around 2005/6. Even the nephew's reassurances about not having seen his uncle in nine years puts the timing a little close to when OBL started ramping up his anti-USA attacks, with stuff like the bombing of the US embassy in Kenya. And lastly there is simple guilt by association and such. If you don't think emotions and prejudice could take over in that situation, imagine how a Wermacht officer trying to move to Israel in the 1950s or 60s would have gone down...

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** Keep in mind that this film was written and shot just a few set four years after the 9/11, so a relative of OBL bin Laden's buying a house property in New York would probably face massive media attention and drawn the ire of the general public without someone to smooth things over. To this day Even ten years after the movie came out, some people are still sour about [[http://www.snopes.com/rumors/flights.asp the myth that Saudi Royals/Bin Laden family members were flown out of the country right after 9/11]], now try to imagine how they would have felt about the Bin Laden family buying property in New York around 2005/6. Even the nephew's reassurances about not having seen his uncle in nine years puts the timing a little close to when OBL Osama started ramping up his anti-USA attacks, with stuff like the bombing of the US embassy in Kenya. And lastly there is simple guilt by association and such. If you don't think emotions and prejudice could take over in that situation, imagine how a Wermacht officer trying to move to Israel in the 1950s or 60s would have gone down...down...
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** Possibly because he was assured by Madeleine White that all the contents were destroyed. He probably also wasn't expecting that the police would search that specific box.

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** Possibly because he was assured by Madeleine White that all the contents were destroyed. He probably also wasn't expecting that the police would search that specific box.box.
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6th Aug '15 6:35:13 AM dmcreif
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* Is Madeline White supposed to be a bad guy for helping Osama bin Laden's nephew buy a condo? bin Laden has a ''huge'' family (he is the youngest of ''twenty-three'' children, he might easily have a hundred nephews). Probably most of them think Osama is (was) a waste of oxygen. Why shouldn't Foster help one buy a home, for crying out loud?

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* Is Madeline Madeleine White supposed to be a bad guy for helping Osama bin Laden's nephew buy a condo? bin Laden has a ''huge'' family (he is the youngest of ''twenty-three'' children, he might easily have a hundred nephews). Probably most of them think Osama is (was) a waste of oxygen. Why shouldn't Foster help one buy a home, for crying out loud?



** Possibly because he was assured by Madeline White that all the contents were destroyed. He probably also wasn't expecting that the police would search that specific box.

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** Possibly because he was assured by Madeline Madeleine White that all the contents were destroyed. He probably also wasn't expecting that the police would search that specific box.
6th Aug '15 6:34:20 AM dmcreif
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* How old exactly is Arthur Chase supposed to be? Based on what he says, he was already a successful banker during the Nazi era, which would mean he had to be at least in his 30s back then (it's hard to imagine anyone younger being a successful banker in the 1940s). But the movie takes place in 2005 or 2006 ("Gold Digger" was released in 2005), which would mean he has to be over 90 years old. He certainly doesn't look that old. Christopher Plummer was born in 1929, and he was only 15 when WWII ended. They should've chosen an older actor if they'd wanted that part of the story to feel credible.
** He's stated to have been quite young. He may only have been a bank employee.

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* How old exactly is Arthur Chase Case supposed to be? Based on what he says, he was already a successful banker during the Nazi era, which would mean he had to be at least in his 30s back then (it's hard to imagine anyone younger being a successful banker in the 1940s). But the movie takes place in 2005 or 2006 ("Gold Digger" was released in 2005), which would mean he has to be over 90 years old. He certainly doesn't look that old. Christopher Plummer was born in 1929, and he was only 15 when WWII ended. They should've chosen an older actor if they'd wanted that part of the story to feel credible.
** He's stated to have been quite young. He may only have been a bank employee. And people did start working at a younger age back then.



** DaChief said to drop the case. No budget for surveillance. Also, eyewitnesses are often just plain ''wrong'', and "she had big boobs", as Stevie herself pointed out, is a pretty flimsy reason for surveillance.

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** DaChief said to drop the case. No budget for surveillance. Also, eyewitnesses are often just plain ''wrong'', eyewitness testimony isn't the most reliable source, and "she had big boobs", as Stevie herself pointed out, is a pretty flimsy reason for surveillance.



**** Not really a case of the media being bought off, but chasing bigger fish. Remember, we have one of the most powerful people in New York about to be outed as a former Nazi collaborator, all due to a theatrical bank robbery that didn't actually happen. The media would be having a field day with Case's connections and probably laud Dalton's team akin to Robin Hood. With no leads and pressure from Madeline's contacts to wrap things up, I highly doubt there will be much push to keep the case open. As for the hostages, they won't forget, but they probably are either thankful to have survived or just as amazed as anybody what really happened.
* If they wanted to get revenge on Christopher Plummer, why didn't they just come up behind him and hit him with a rock or something? Instead, Clive Owen comes up with this incredibly complicated plot that involves taking ''dozens of hostages'' for what is apparently more than a day. Those people are never going to be OK. PTSD is a bitch. They won't be able to sleep properly for months. They'll have nightmares for the rest of their lives. Owen's character should DIAF.

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**** Not really a case of the media being bought off, but chasing bigger fish. Remember, we have one of the most powerful people in New York City about to be outed as a former Nazi collaborator, all due to a theatrical bank robbery that didn't actually happen.happen, which was staged to out Case's past. The media would be having a field day with Case's connections and probably laud Dalton's team akin to Robin Hood. With no leads and pressure from Madeline's contacts to wrap things up, I highly doubt there will be much push to keep the case open. As for the hostages, they won't forget, but they probably are either thankful to have survived or just as amazed as anybody what really happened.
* If they wanted to get revenge on Christopher Plummer, Case, why didn't they just come up behind him and hit him with a rock or something? Instead, Clive Owen Russell comes up with this incredibly complicated plot that involves taking ''dozens of hostages'' for what is apparently more than a day. Those people are never going to be OK. PTSD is a bitch. They won't be able to sleep properly for months. They'll have nightmares for the rest of their lives. Owen's character should DIAF.



* Is Jody Foster supposed to be a bad guy for helping Osama bin Laden's nephew buy a condo? bin Laden has a ''huge'' family (he is the youngest of ''twenty-three'' children, he might easily have a hundred nephews). Probably most of them think Osama is (was) a waste of oxygen. Why shouldn't Foster help one buy a home, for crying out loud?

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* Is Jody Foster Madeline White supposed to be a bad guy for helping Osama bin Laden's nephew buy a condo? bin Laden has a ''huge'' family (he is the youngest of ''twenty-three'' children, he might easily have a hundred nephews). Probably most of them think Osama is (was) a waste of oxygen. Why shouldn't Foster help one buy a home, for crying out loud?



** Keep in mind that this film was written and shot just a few years after the 9/11, so a relative of OBL buying a house in New York would probably face massive media attention and drawn the ire of the general public without someone to smooth things over. To this day some people are still sour about [[http://www.snopes.com/rumors/flights.asp the myth that Saudi Royals/Bin Laden family members were flown out of the country right after 9/11]], now try to imagine how they would have felt about the Bin Laden family buying property in New York around 2005/6. Even the nephew's reassurances about not having seen his uncle in 9 years puts the timing a little close to when OBL started ramping up his anti-USA attacks, with stuff like the bombing of the US embassy in Kenya. And lastly there is simple guilt by association and such. If you don't think emotions and prejudice could take over in that situation, imagine how a Wermacht officer trying to move to Israel in the 1950s or 60s would have gone down...

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** Keep in mind that this film was written and shot just a few years after the 9/11, so a relative of OBL buying a house in New York would probably face massive media attention and drawn the ire of the general public without someone to smooth things over. To this day some people are still sour about [[http://www.snopes.com/rumors/flights.asp the myth that Saudi Royals/Bin Laden family members were flown out of the country right after 9/11]], now try to imagine how they would have felt about the Bin Laden family buying property in New York around 2005/6. Even the nephew's reassurances about not having seen his uncle in 9 nine years puts the timing a little close to when OBL started ramping up his anti-USA attacks, with stuff like the bombing of the US embassy in Kenya. And lastly there is simple guilt by association and such. If you don't think emotions and prejudice could take over in that situation, imagine how a Wermacht officer trying to move to Israel in the 1950s or 60s would have gone down...



** Albanian is not a Slavic language, but if you hear 1 or 2 words and put it in google you can get to Enver Hoxha in 3 clicks. I tried.

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** Albanian is not a Slavic language, but if you hear 1 or 2 a few words and put it in google you can get to Enver Hoxha in 3 clicks. I tried.



* If I was Arthur Chase, the first thing I'd do once the bank reopened for business is check on (and remove) the contents of my safety deposit box. Instead, he leaves it to be discovered by the cops.

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* If I was Arthur Chase, Case, the first thing I'd do once the bank reopened for business is check on (and remove) the contents of my safety deposit box. Instead, he leaves it to be discovered by the cops.



** Possibly because he was assured by White that all the contents were destroyed. He probably also wasn't expecting that the police would search that specific box.

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** Possibly because he was assured by Madeline White that all the contents were destroyed. He probably also wasn't expecting that the police would search that specific box.
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