History Headscratchers / HeavyRain

8th Jun '17 12:15:10 AM Troscus
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** It's likely his lawyer (let's assume he did go to trial and did do the things you mentioned) argued that Ethan was acting under clear duress, and was never trained on how to deal with a hostage situation. Add on his clear mental health problems (Ethan was so far gone that he convinced himself he was trying to save his son from some sort of split personality) and it's likely that the jury simply didn't have the heart to convict him and believed there was reasonable doubt that he was acting with motive, or even reason. It doesn't happen often, but when it does, it's in tragic, overwhelming cases like this. He would still be forced to see a court-ordered therapist, and Shaun would be having a lot of talks with CPS, but neither of those things guarantee that Ethan would lose his son.

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** It's likely his lawyer (let's assume he did go to trial and did do the things you mentioned) argued that Ethan was acting under clear duress, and was never trained on how to deal with a hostage situation. Add on his clear mental health problems (Ethan was so far gone that he convinced himself he was trying to save his son from some sort of split personality) and it's likely that the jury simply didn't have the heart to convict him and believed there was reasonable doubt that he was acting with motive, or even reason. It doesn't happen often, but when it does, it's in tragic, overwhelming cases like this. He would still be forced to see a court-ordered therapist, and Shaun would be having a lot of talks with CPS, but neither of those things guarantee that Ethan would lose his son. "CPS" stands for "Child Protective Services," not "Government Legitimized Kiddy Nappers."
8th Jun '17 12:13:11 AM Troscus
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** It's likely his lawyer (let's assume he did go to trial and did do the things you mentioned) argued that Ethan was acting under clear duress, and was never trained on how to deal with a hostage situation. Add on his clear mental health problems (Ethan was so far gone that he convinced himself he was trying to save his son from some sort of split personality) and it's likely that the jury simply didn't have the heart to convict him and believed there was reasonable doubt that he was acting with motive, or even reason. It doesn't happen often, but when it does, it's in tragic, overwhelming cases like this. He would still be forced to see a court-ordered therapist, and Shaun would be having a lot of talks with CPS, but neither of those things guarantee that Ethan would lose his son.
30th Apr '17 3:55:07 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** The problem here is the game lies to you, in a way, telling you that - at any time - L2 will reveal the player's thoughts. It'd be quite a feat for even a Hollywood-style psychopath to commit premeditated murder without, well, thinking about it at all (before and after the Manfred scene) and it's not believable that Shelby can avoid even thinking about his brother when at his grave despite being the motivation for doing unspeakable things to ten-year-old boys. Even ignoring all that, although some of his thoughts have malicious double-meanings like 'I can't just leave her alone', some make no sense; even if you're willing to consider that he's going after a copycat for Lauren's son, he still thinks about 'the investigation' later on for others. Either Shelby [[GenreSavvy knows he's in a game]] or the game's only letting you hear certain thoughts, and [[YouNeverAsked you never asked]]. Makes figuring out the identity of the killer more or less [[CluelessMystery impossible]].

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** The problem here is the game lies to you, in a way, telling you that - at any time - L2 will reveal the player's thoughts. It'd be quite a feat for even a Hollywood-style psychopath to commit premeditated murder without, well, thinking about it at all (before and after the Manfred scene) and it's not believable that Shelby can avoid even thinking about his brother when at his grave despite being the motivation for doing unspeakable things to ten-year-old boys. Even ignoring all that, although some of his thoughts have malicious double-meanings like 'I can't just leave her alone', some make no sense; even if you're willing to consider that he's going after a copycat for Lauren's son, he still thinks about 'the investigation' later on for others. Either Shelby [[GenreSavvy knows he's in a game]] game or the game's only letting you hear certain thoughts, and [[YouNeverAsked you never asked]]. Makes figuring out the identity of the killer more or less [[CluelessMystery impossible]].
16th Apr '17 8:05:32 PM Hjortron18
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** This troper assumed that they are the loved ones/relatives of the other boys who got murdered by the Origami Killer.


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16th Apr '17 6:57:28 PM Hjortron18
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Um... what? Whether the police have the evidence to hold Ether or whether or not he's the killer is irrelevant. You have crystal clear video footage of an officer of the law coming in and assisting a high profile possible serial killer to escape, and you only chew him out and he gets suspended? There is no way in hell that Jaden wouldn't get arrested and interrogated, and maybe even charged as an accomplice. Considering how loose Blake plays with the law in the first place and his attitude toward Jaden before this you'd think Blake would jump at the chance to knock Jaden around a bit(especially if you took the earlier option to sock Blake one when you got fed up with his bull)

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Um... what? Whether the police have the evidence to hold Ether or whether or not he's the killer is irrelevant. You have crystal clear video footage of an officer of the law coming in and assisting a high profile possible serial killer to escape, and you only chew him out and he gets suspended? There is no way in hell that Jaden wouldn't get arrested and interrogated, and maybe even charged as an accomplice. Considering how loose Blake plays with the law in the first place and his attitude toward Jaden before this you'd think Blake would jump at the chance to knock Jaden around a bit(especially bit (especially if you took the earlier option to sock Blake one when you got fed up with his bull)
26th Aug '16 2:11:18 AM ElegantVamp
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[[folder: Characters In The Intro?]]
* Who is that Asian-looking woman in the introduction during the credits? And the black child? Do they have any significance in the game?
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8th Jun '16 1:53:18 PM MrGuy
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[[folder: Happily Ever After]]
* So if you manage to keep Ethan and Madison alive to the end, Ethan survives, gets exonerated, gets to make a new life with her and Shaun, etc. But... regardless of the fact that he's not the killer, he did, at the ''bare minimum,'' resist arrest and commit grand theft auto; it's also possible that he broke out of police custody and ''committed premeditated murder.'' How the hell does he get off scot free? Jury nullification?
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15th Apr '16 10:44:29 AM pottyaboutpotter1
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*The game makes it pretty clear the police are desperate to arrest someone for the murders to satisfy the press. I wouldn't be surprised if Blake deliberately ignored evidence that proved Ethan's innocence just so he could make an arrest and be famed as the man who "caught" the Oragami Killer. If the killings continued afterward, Blake would have tried to claim it was a copycat but likely would have lost his job for arresting/killing an innocent man. Blake is shown to be very desperate to arrest someone, note how he's 100% positive every suspect he meets is the killer? He torments Nathaniel by asking leading questions to try and trick a confession out of him. He also proves himself to ignore reason when trying to solve a case. He ignores Norman telling him he can't arrest Ethan as there's no evidence that proves he's the killer. He ignores Madison when she tells him she has evidence proving Ethan's innocence. Blake wants to make an arrest, Ethan is a good enough suspect in his eyes so Ethan is the scapegoat. He seems to be obsessed with being the man who "caught" the killer. Notice his smugness when he tells Norman that he caught the killer, not Norman. Ultimately, Blake just wants the fame and attention. He doesn't care if it's the "real" killer. If the evidence doesn't suit the narrative he's created he ignores it, hence why he ignores Ethan was in a coma and Norman telling him he has no evidence and Madison trying to show him proof he's wrong.
6th Apr '16 7:21:15 PM finalfaw
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** I think that maybe the angle of impact with the weight of Ethan combined, maybe twisted and broke Jasons' neck?
22nd Jan '16 12:49:05 PM PurpleAlert
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****** What clues would those be? The trace evidence that Norman finds with ARI? The fantastic technology that Madison doesn't have access to? Or is it the receipts that fall out of the Origami Killer's pocket, which weren't there until Norman fistfights him? There was nothing for Madison to find in the office - the answers were with Paco.

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****** What clues would those be? The trace evidence that Norman finds with ARI? The fantastic technology that Madison doesn't have access to? t0o? Or is it the receipts that fall out of the Origami Killer's pocket, which weren't there until Norman fistfights him? There was nothing for Madison to find in the office - the answers were with Paco.Paco.
****** Well, for starters, there was that huge desk that had valuable information about the killer's identity ''that the killer himself took long after Madison left because he didn't want to be identified'', those probably would have been useful to the investigation if Madison had used any of the time between knocking Paco the fuck out and tying him up to look around the room. Like an investigator would do. All she gets out of Paco is John Sheppard's name, the schedule book from the desk (which is sitting ''right on top of it'') has names, dates, and times in it, which absolutely indicated the killer's identity or he wouldn't have taken it. The only reason for Madison to go through the bullshit rigmarole with Paco is because David Cage is gross.
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