History Headscratchers / HeavyRain

1st Apr '18 1:31:08 AM Robotnik
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** Ethan's probably been having blackouts on and off ever since the killings began; the time his wife mentions was probably the only time she actually caught him (either that, or it was the only incident from the black-outs that stuck in her memory or that she chose to mention); he might've even had some of them while sleeping and tried to brush them off as nightmares or sleepwalking. And he doesn't have ''that'' great an alibi; he was awake and active when the killings first began (unrealistically fast recovery or not), he does know how to do origami, and if he really were leading the Jekyll-and-Hyde-style double life he thinks he is, none of the money he'd be spending would show up on his own bank statements anyway.

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** * Ethan's probably been having blackouts on and off ever since the killings began; the time his wife mentions was probably the only time she actually caught him (either that, or it was the only incident from the black-outs that stuck in her memory or that she chose to mention); he might've even had some of them while sleeping and tried to brush them off as nightmares or sleepwalking. And he doesn't have ''that'' great an alibi; he was awake and active when the killings first began (unrealistically fast recovery or not), he does know how to do origami, and if he really were leading the Jekyll-and-Hyde-style double life he thinks he is, none of the money he'd be spending would show up on his own bank statements anyway.
1st Apr '18 1:29:49 AM Robotnik
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** Ethan's probably been having blackouts on and off ever since the killings began; the time his wife mentions was probably the only time she actually caught him (either that, or it was the only incident from the black-outs that stuck in her memory or that she chose to mention); he might've even had some of them while sleeping and tried to brush them off as nightmares or sleepwalking. And he doesn't have ''that'' great an alibi; he was awake and active when the killings first began (unrealistically fast recovery or not), he does know how to do origami, and if he really were leading the Jekyll-and-Hyde-style double life he thinks he is, none of the money he'd be spending would show up on his own bank statements anyway.
1st Apr '18 1:12:47 AM Robotnik
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*** Well, for starters, there was that huge desk that had valuable information about the killer's identity ''that the killer himself took long after Madison left because he didn't want to be identified'', those probably would have been useful to the investigation if Madison had used any of the time between knocking Paco the fuck out and tying him up to look around the room. Like an investigator would do. All she gets out of Paco is John Sheppard's name, the schedule book from the desk (which is sitting ''right on top of it'') has names, dates, and times in it, which absolutely indicated the killer's identity or he wouldn't have taken it. The only reason for Madison to go through the bullshit rigmarole with Paco is because David Cage is gross.

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*** Well, for starters, there was that huge desk that had valuable information about the killer's identity ''that the killer himself took long after Madison left because he didn't want to be identified'', those probably would have been useful to the investigation if Madison had used any of the time between knocking Paco the fuck out and tying him up to look around the room. Like an investigator would do. All she gets out of Paco is John Sheppard's name, the schedule book from the desk (which is sitting ''right on top of it'') has names, dates, and times in it, which absolutely indicated the killer's identity or he wouldn't have taken it. The only reason for Madison to go through the bullshit rigmarole with Paco is because David Cage is gross.


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*** Madison's FriendOnTheForce, Sam, most likely already gave her all the information on the apartment that was in any records; that it was owned by Adrian Baker. There's no way for Madison to know who he's renting it to, if anyone, until Baker tells her about Paco himself and/or she finds the business card from the Blue Lagoon on his nightstand, and once she's there, there's no getting into his office without talking to Paco directly. Say what you will about her trying to seduce him, but Madison only tries that once she sees how quickly he takes to another girl dancing in front of him, and she does bring a gun; she just doesn't expect him to take her purse. As for her motivations, it seems fairly plausible that she was covering the Origami Killer case from the get-go; even though she didn't think she would have the luck of running into Ethan personally, she does lie to him about being a journalist and follows him often.
13th Jan '18 2:14:52 AM HighfalutinQuelea
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* So I just finished replaying Heavy Rain after buying it again, and this is something that perplexes me. If Ethan gets arrested you have the option to have Norman sneak Ethan out. However, if you forget to turn off the video camera first than in a later chapter Blake will chew you out and say "You're suspended, Jaden. The order is on it's way."
Um... what? Whether the police have the evidence to hold Ether or whether or not he's the killer is irrelevant. You have crystal clear video footage of an officer of the law coming in and assisting a high profile possible serial killer to escape, and you only chew him out and he gets suspended? There is no way in hell that Jaden wouldn't get arrested and interrogated, and maybe even charged as an accomplice. Considering how loose Blake plays with the law in the first place and his attitude toward Jaden before this you'd think Blake would jump at the chance to knock Jaden around a bit (especially if you took the earlier option to sock Blake one when you got fed up with his bull)

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* So I just finished replaying Heavy Rain after buying it again, and this is something that perplexes me. If Ethan gets arrested you have the option to have Norman sneak Ethan out. However, if you forget to turn off the video camera first than in a later chapter Blake will chew you out and say "You're suspended, Jaden.Jayden. The order is on it's way."
" Um... what? Whether the police have the evidence to hold Ether Ethan or whether or not he's the killer is irrelevant. You have crystal clear video footage of an officer of the law coming in and assisting a high profile possible serial killer to escape, and you only chew him out and he gets suspended? There is no way in hell that Jaden Jayden wouldn't get arrested and interrogated, and maybe even charged as an accomplice. Considering how loose Blake plays with the law in the first place and his attitude toward Jaden before this you'd think Blake would jump at the chance to knock Jaden Jayden around a bit (especially if you took the earlier option to sock Blake one when you got fed up with his bull)
8th Jun '17 12:15:10 AM Troscus
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** It's likely his lawyer (let's assume he did go to trial and did do the things you mentioned) argued that Ethan was acting under clear duress, and was never trained on how to deal with a hostage situation. Add on his clear mental health problems (Ethan was so far gone that he convinced himself he was trying to save his son from some sort of split personality) and it's likely that the jury simply didn't have the heart to convict him and believed there was reasonable doubt that he was acting with motive, or even reason. It doesn't happen often, but when it does, it's in tragic, overwhelming cases like this. He would still be forced to see a court-ordered therapist, and Shaun would be having a lot of talks with CPS, but neither of those things guarantee that Ethan would lose his son.

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** It's likely his lawyer (let's assume he did go to trial and did do the things you mentioned) argued that Ethan was acting under clear duress, and was never trained on how to deal with a hostage situation. Add on his clear mental health problems (Ethan was so far gone that he convinced himself he was trying to save his son from some sort of split personality) and it's likely that the jury simply didn't have the heart to convict him and believed there was reasonable doubt that he was acting with motive, or even reason. It doesn't happen often, but when it does, it's in tragic, overwhelming cases like this. He would still be forced to see a court-ordered therapist, and Shaun would be having a lot of talks with CPS, but neither of those things guarantee that Ethan would lose his son. "CPS" stands for "Child Protective Services," not "Government Legitimized Kiddy Nappers."
8th Jun '17 12:13:11 AM Troscus
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** It's likely his lawyer (let's assume he did go to trial and did do the things you mentioned) argued that Ethan was acting under clear duress, and was never trained on how to deal with a hostage situation. Add on his clear mental health problems (Ethan was so far gone that he convinced himself he was trying to save his son from some sort of split personality) and it's likely that the jury simply didn't have the heart to convict him and believed there was reasonable doubt that he was acting with motive, or even reason. It doesn't happen often, but when it does, it's in tragic, overwhelming cases like this. He would still be forced to see a court-ordered therapist, and Shaun would be having a lot of talks with CPS, but neither of those things guarantee that Ethan would lose his son.
30th Apr '17 3:55:07 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** The problem here is the game lies to you, in a way, telling you that - at any time - L2 will reveal the player's thoughts. It'd be quite a feat for even a Hollywood-style psychopath to commit premeditated murder without, well, thinking about it at all (before and after the Manfred scene) and it's not believable that Shelby can avoid even thinking about his brother when at his grave despite being the motivation for doing unspeakable things to ten-year-old boys. Even ignoring all that, although some of his thoughts have malicious double-meanings like 'I can't just leave her alone', some make no sense; even if you're willing to consider that he's going after a copycat for Lauren's son, he still thinks about 'the investigation' later on for others. Either Shelby [[GenreSavvy knows he's in a game]] or the game's only letting you hear certain thoughts, and [[YouNeverAsked you never asked]]. Makes figuring out the identity of the killer more or less [[CluelessMystery impossible]].

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** The problem here is the game lies to you, in a way, telling you that - at any time - L2 will reveal the player's thoughts. It'd be quite a feat for even a Hollywood-style psychopath to commit premeditated murder without, well, thinking about it at all (before and after the Manfred scene) and it's not believable that Shelby can avoid even thinking about his brother when at his grave despite being the motivation for doing unspeakable things to ten-year-old boys. Even ignoring all that, although some of his thoughts have malicious double-meanings like 'I can't just leave her alone', some make no sense; even if you're willing to consider that he's going after a copycat for Lauren's son, he still thinks about 'the investigation' later on for others. Either Shelby [[GenreSavvy knows he's in a game]] game or the game's only letting you hear certain thoughts, and [[YouNeverAsked you never asked]]. Makes figuring out the identity of the killer more or less [[CluelessMystery impossible]].
16th Apr '17 8:05:32 PM Hjortron18
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** This troper assumed that they are the loved ones/relatives of the other boys who got murdered by the Origami Killer.


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16th Apr '17 6:57:28 PM Hjortron18
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Um... what? Whether the police have the evidence to hold Ether or whether or not he's the killer is irrelevant. You have crystal clear video footage of an officer of the law coming in and assisting a high profile possible serial killer to escape, and you only chew him out and he gets suspended? There is no way in hell that Jaden wouldn't get arrested and interrogated, and maybe even charged as an accomplice. Considering how loose Blake plays with the law in the first place and his attitude toward Jaden before this you'd think Blake would jump at the chance to knock Jaden around a bit(especially if you took the earlier option to sock Blake one when you got fed up with his bull)

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Um... what? Whether the police have the evidence to hold Ether or whether or not he's the killer is irrelevant. You have crystal clear video footage of an officer of the law coming in and assisting a high profile possible serial killer to escape, and you only chew him out and he gets suspended? There is no way in hell that Jaden wouldn't get arrested and interrogated, and maybe even charged as an accomplice. Considering how loose Blake plays with the law in the first place and his attitude toward Jaden before this you'd think Blake would jump at the chance to knock Jaden around a bit(especially bit (especially if you took the earlier option to sock Blake one when you got fed up with his bull)
26th Aug '16 2:11:18 AM ElegantVamp
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[[folder: Characters In The Intro?]]
* Who is that Asian-looking woman in the introduction during the credits? And the black child? Do they have any significance in the game?
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