History Headscratchers / HarryPotterAndTheGobletOfFire

5th Aug '16 3:41:29 AM CrypticMirror
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* So I might be able to accept that Ron hasn't heard of leprechauns before... maybe. Despite the fact that he lives not too far from there and it's a national team's mascot, or that they're so famous even muggles have heard of them. Did he really believe the Irish Quidditch team just had tens of millions of galleons to spare, just to toss to the audience? Has he never heard of leprechaun gold? Does he not wonder why nobody else is trying to grab as much gold as they can possibly hold?
** Would you ''please'' not put so much sarcasm into this? Or ask about a topic that has been debated countless times already? Because those both just make it seem like you're trying to complain about how "dumb" Ron is, rather than having a legitimate question. Overall, Ron has never really struck me as dumb. He's just a bit stubborn, and has a noticeable inferiority complex, for good reason. Why can't anyone understand that?
5th Aug '16 1:01:40 AM QuarrelsomeChevon
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** Also, Voldemort may simply not have wanted to contemplate the idea of Harry returning to life like he had, even if it (maybe) wasn't possible at that time. Not only are the two cases not the same, but trying to compare them at all brings to light the idea that Harry could potentially, conceivably return, too, by that logic.
5th Aug '16 12:55:33 AM QuarrelsomeChevon
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** Would you ''please'' not put so much sarcasm into this? Or ask about a topic that has been debated countless times already? Because those both just make it seem like you're trying to complain about how "dumb" Ron is, rather than having a legitimate question. Overall, Ron has never really struck me as dumb. He's just a bit stubborn, and has a noticeable inferiority complex, for good reason. Why can't anyone understand that?
11th Jul '16 1:23:12 PM willyolio
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* So I might be able to accept that Ron hasn't heard of leprechauns before... maybe. Despite the fact that he lives not too far from there and it's a national team's mascot, or that they're so famous even muggles have heard of them. Did he really believe the Irish Quidditch team just had tens of millions of galleons to spare, just to toss to the audience? Has he never heard of leprechaun gold? Does he not wonder why nobody else is trying to grab as much gold as they can possibly hold?
7th Jul '16 9:54:11 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** Well, yeah, these are also the same writers who decided, "Hey! Let's have Lucius Malfoy perform an UNFORGIVABLE KILLING CURSE on a twelve-year-old boy because he's throwing a hissy fit over losing his slave! [[ForTheEvulz CUZ HE'S EVOL!!!]]" TheyJustDidntCare.
** That last one was technically not in the script, but an improvisation by the actor (who had only heard the phrase "Avada Kedavra" and didn't know what it did). They decided to ThrowItIn because, yeah, TheyJustDidntCare.

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** Well, yeah, these are also the same writers who decided, "Hey! Let's have Lucius Malfoy perform an UNFORGIVABLE KILLING CURSE on a twelve-year-old boy because he's throwing a hissy fit over losing his slave! [[ForTheEvulz CUZ HE'S EVOL!!!]]" TheyJustDidntCare.
EVOL!!!]]"
** That last one was technically not in the script, but an improvisation by the actor (who had only heard the phrase "Avada Kedavra" and didn't know what it did). They decided to ThrowItIn because, yeah, TheyJustDidntCare.yeah.



** The important thing to remember when it comes to these sorts of mistakes in the movies is that nine times out of ten, the people behind the movies [[TheyJustDidntCare just didn't care]].

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** The important thing to remember when it comes to these sorts of mistakes in the movies is that nine times out of ten, the people behind the movies [[TheyJustDidntCare just didn't care]].care.
30th Jun '16 5:43:44 AM FlashSteps
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** At this point in the series even Harry knows that Ron and Hermione fancy each other and he's blind to relationships and girls. Of course Molly knows, Hermione was living with them for a while that summer and she and Ron have the exact same dynamic that Molly and Arthur have. It's obvious to everyone who isn't blind due to shipping goggles. Hermione/Ron is one of those relationships where it's obvious to everyone but them

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** At this point in the series even Harry knows that Ron and Hermione fancy each other and he's blind to relationships and girls. Of course Molly knows, Hermione was living with them for a while that summer and she and Ron have the exact same dynamic that Molly and Arthur have. It's obvious to everyone who isn't blind due to shipping goggles. Hermione/Ron is one of those relationships where it's obvious to everyone but themthem.
30th Jun '16 5:40:43 AM FlashSteps
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** It's actually very simple if you connect the dots. Molly doesn't for a second believe that Hermione is using magic to make Harry her boyfriend. If she did then I doubt her reaction would simply be to send her smaller chocolate. Molly's not stupid, she doesn't believe that Hermione would do that but she might believe that Harry and Hermione are an actual couple. And after having known them for so many years she's likely aware of Ron's interest in Hermione, even if Ron himself is not, so having Harry and Hermione hook up would break his heart so she's not angry but also not too thrilled about it. Things get cleared up when Harry states specifically that he and Hermione are not a couple. So she knew not to believe Rita but didn't think Rita would completely make something like that up out of nothing as she merely just twists facts and exagerates.

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** It's actually very simple if you connect the dots. Molly doesn't for a second believe that Hermione is using magic to make Harry her boyfriend. If she did then I doubt her reaction would simply be to send her smaller chocolate. Molly's not stupid, she doesn't believe that Hermione would do that but she might believe that Harry and Hermione are an actual couple. And after having known them for so many years she's likely aware of Ron's interest in Hermione, even if Ron himself is not, so having Harry and Hermione hook up would break his heart so she's not angry but also not too thrilled about it. Things get cleared up when Harry states specifically that he and Hermione are not a couple. So she knew not to believe Rita but didn't think Rita would completely make something like that up out of nothing as she merely just twists facts and exagerates.exaggerates.
30th Jun '16 5:37:32 AM FlashSteps
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* What is with Molly Weasley's inconsistent opinion of Rita Skeeter? After the World Cup, Mrs. Weasley agrees with everyone else that Rita Skeeter is the worst kind of "journalist," one that spreads sensationalist lies to get more readers and is not to be believed. After Rita's article about the Triwizard Champions (the colorful life story of Harry) we hear from Charlie that Mrs. Weasley was quite upset when she heard that Harry still cries over his parents. After Rita's article about the supposed love geometry between Hermione, Harry, and Krum, Mrs. Weasley sends Hermione an insultingly small Easter Egg. When Mrs. Weasley and Bill arrive at Hogwarts to cheer for Harry in the third task, Amos Diggory gives Harry a bunch of shit over the colorful life story article and Mrs. Weasley snaps at him that he should know better than to believe anything Rita Skeeter says. At dinner, Mrs. Weasley treats Hermione coldly until Harry explains to her that Hermione was never his girlfriend and that Rita Skeeter was making up more lies (you know, like what Mrs. Weasley was just telling Mr. Diggory). So over the course of the book, Mrs. Weasley's opinion of Rita Skeeter goes from Disbelief to belief, then more belief, then back to disbelief, right back to belief, then finally settles on disbelief. [[FlatWhat What]]

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* What is with Molly Weasley's inconsistent opinion of Rita Skeeter? After the World Cup, Mrs. Weasley agrees with everyone else that Rita Skeeter is the worst kind of "journalist," one that spreads sensationalist lies to get more readers and is not to be believed. After Rita's article about the Triwizard Champions (the colorful life story of Harry) we hear from Charlie that Mrs. Weasley was quite upset when she heard that Harry still cries over his parents. After Rita's article about the supposed love geometry between Hermione, Harry, and Krum, Mrs. Weasley sends Hermione an insultingly small Easter Egg. When Mrs. Weasley and Bill arrive at Hogwarts to cheer for Harry in the third task, Amos Diggory gives Harry a bunch of shit over the colorful life story article and Mrs. Weasley snaps at him that he should know better than to believe anything Rita Skeeter says. At dinner, Mrs. Weasley treats Hermione coldly until Harry explains to her that Hermione was never his girlfriend and that Rita Skeeter was making up more lies (you know, like what Mrs. Weasley was just telling Mr. Diggory). So over the course of the book, Mrs. Weasley's opinion of Rita Skeeter goes from Disbelief to belief, then more belief, then back to disbelief, right back to belief, then finally settles on disbelief. [[FlatWhat What]]What.]]
30th Jun '16 5:32:30 AM FlashSteps
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** If the wrong champion wins and ends up being transported to the graveyard, the solution is sample - if Voldemort is really set on using Harry as his means of resurrection, as opposed to either of the other three champions who could conceivably count as his enemies, then he could just have Pettigrew kill Cedric, as well as Viktor and Fleur, if they come along, sending the Portkey back into the maze each time until Harry finally manages to find it.

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** If the wrong champion wins and ends up being transported to the graveyard, the solution is sample simple - if Voldemort is really set on using Harry as his means of resurrection, as opposed to either of the other three champions who could conceivably count as his enemies, then he could just have Pettigrew kill Cedric, as well as Viktor and Fleur, if they come along, sending the Portkey back into the maze each time until Harry finally manages to find it.
30th Jun '16 5:25:00 AM FlashSteps
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** Nope. Cedric never got even close to the Cup on his own. After they blast the mega-spider, they just stand there, urging each other to go for it, until Harry suggests they take it together. So Crouch could have standed there, wand aimed at Cedric, ready to knock him out the moment he goes for the Cup alone. But when they went for it together, and Cedric even helped the limping Harry along, it was clear he'd made up his mind, so Crouch didn't feel the need to interfere. And he couldn't have just kidnapped the kid earlier, because Harry supposedly was under DD's constant eye, unlike, naturally, when he was in that dangerous labyrinth, during the final stage of the Tournament in which his participation was orchestrated by an unkown party, so whatever their inention was, this would be their last chance to acieve it... [[SarcasmMode Nah, why would DD want to keep an eye on him THERE?]] God, I love these self-sustaining plot holes.

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** Nope. Cedric never got even close to the Cup on his own. After they blast the mega-spider, they just stand there, urging each other to go for it, until Harry suggests they take it together. So Crouch could have standed there, wand aimed at Cedric, ready to knock him out the moment he goes for the Cup alone. But when they went for it together, and Cedric even helped the limping Harry along, it was clear he'd made up his mind, so Crouch didn't feel the need to interfere. And he couldn't have just kidnapped the kid earlier, because Harry supposedly was under DD's constant eye, unlike, naturally, when he was in that dangerous labyrinth, during the final stage of the Tournament in which his participation was orchestrated by an unkown unknown party, so whatever their inention intention was, this would be their last chance to acieve achieve it... [[SarcasmMode Nah, why would DD want to keep an eye on him THERE?]] God, I love these self-sustaining plot holes.
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