History Headscratchers / HarryPotterAndTheGobletOfFire

20th Apr '16 12:38:59 AM erforce
Is there an issue? Send a Message


** Snape himself states that it's use on students is prohibited. WordOfGod says that use of it is strictly regulation by the Ministry. It also works best on those taken by surprise, the weak minded, and those with little skill in magic. Harry is none of those. Other limitations include that [[IndianaJonesAndTheLastCrusade it doesn't produce facts, but instead truth]]. If Harry legitimately thinks Voldemort returned and killed Cedric, that is what he would say under the influence of veritaserum no matter what the facts were. It's also an excuse for not believing Barty Jr - he's so crazy he's just spilling insanity. It can also be magically fought, and for that reason is forbidden for use of testimony similar to a muggle polygraph.

to:

** Snape himself states that it's use on students is prohibited. WordOfGod says that use of it is strictly regulation by the Ministry. It also works best on those taken by surprise, the weak minded, and those with little skill in magic. Harry is none of those. Other limitations include that [[IndianaJonesAndTheLastCrusade [[Film/IndianaJonesAndTheLastCrusade it doesn't produce facts, but instead truth]]. If Harry legitimately thinks Voldemort returned and killed Cedric, that is what he would say under the influence of veritaserum no matter what the facts were. It's also an excuse for not believing Barty Jr - he's so crazy he's just spilling insanity. It can also be magically fought, and for that reason is forbidden for use of testimony similar to a muggle polygraph.
19th Apr '16 10:58:41 AM QuarrelsomeChevon
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

** ...I'm not sure how much sense that makes... "Lily chose to die without resisting...in order to resist Voldemort trying to kill her son." I thought the criteria for the protection was that you had to have the chance to walk away free and unharmed, but then forfeit that change and give your life in place of someone else's. Voldemort offered Lily the chance to move aside and live while he took Harry's life. She instead chose to stand between them. Cedric had the chance to get back to the Portkey and escape unharmed, with or without Harry, but he instead chose to stand up to Peter and Voldemort. (What I'm really asking was, did the choice specifically have to be presented to him by the killer, or would it have worked regardless? Voldemort even referred to Cedric as "the spare", meaning the one who didn't have to be killed.)
12th Apr '16 1:58:38 PM QuarrelsomeChevon
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

[[/folder]]

[[folder: Way to screw things over, Wormtail]]
* Why did Peter Pettigrew seek out Voldemort after he escaped after the end of the last book? So, yes, he was afraid Sirius and Remus would come looking for him, but why did he have to ''go looking'' for Voldemort to remedy this? As Voldemort himself says, he'd pretty much given up hope of returning to power after his attempt to steal the Sorcerer's Stone failed - if Pettigrew hadn't shown up to help him, none of the events in later books would've happened. Why couldn't he just flee Britain and go live somewhere else, whether as a human or, if he needed to, as a rat?
9th Apr '16 6:46:37 AM Gess
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

** Well, that explanation makes no sense anyway. Obviously DD (i.e. the only person who matters) will not be convinced by a seeming accident, because even he's not ''that'' stupid. Nor do the proponents of this idea ever elaborate on what exactly an accident ''of'' it was supposed to look like, when, supposedly, the organisers of the Tournament went to great lentghs to prevent the participants from dying, and how was it going to appear even remotely plausible if the return portkey was aimed at the outside of the maze, so it would've been useless to send the body back (he couldn't have honestly expected people to believe Harry got killed by... something and then just happened to grap the Goblet with his last dying breath).
6th Apr '16 3:25:44 AM Katai
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

[[/folder]]

[[folder: Harry's death was supposed to look like an accident. And why exactly?]]
* It's discussed quite often (on this page) that the overly convoluted plan on how to abduct Harry instead of just kidnapping him for an hour (which nobody would notice at night), is because Voldemort wanted Harry's death to look like an accident. My question is simple: ''Why?'' I can't see a reason why it has to look like an accident! Voldemort could just kill Harry in an overly gruesome way, send the bloody corpse back, and order Crouch, Wormtail or another servant to take the blame for it. Or even Crouch!Moody. Voldemort: "You are going to say that you took revenge in my name, that one day I will return, and then escape with another portkey or die trying. If you don't, I'll just practice my cruciatus skills on you for the next decade." Wormtail: "I don't want to?" - Voldemort casts imperius and does it himself. Problem solved, murder case Harry closed, no proof of Voldemort being around again given - only that he still has crazy followers.
29th Mar '16 4:39:01 PM Gess
Is there an issue? Send a Message


[[folder: That's some DumbleDoody]]

to:

[[folder: That's some DumbleDoody]]Dumbledore's behavior in the end]]
29th Mar '16 4:38:18 PM Gess
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

[[/folder]]

[[folder: That's some DumbleDoody]]
* How does DD's explanation about how he exposed the Fake!Moody make any sense? "Real Moody would've never taken you away from me." Uhm, what? First, the very fact that DD has (again) overlooked a spy within his staff, failed to properly protect the Goblet against tempering and allowed a student to be kidnapped from an event with numerous witnesses TWICE kinda invalidates his claim of having the situation under control, so there's no reason why the real Moody would trust him. Second, even disregarding First, how is it a good idea to keep a traumatized kid amidst all the commotion, especially when there's a spy at large nearby, and this would be a perfect opportunity for them to quietly kill Harry.
* Speaking of which, what in the world possessed DD to let Harry out of his sight amidst all the commotion, especially when there's a spy at large nearby, and this would be a perfect opportunity for them to quietly kill Harry?! The kid ''only'' survived, because Barty felt the need for a JustBetweenYouAndMe chat, and waited for it before they reached his room instead of using the first quiet corner like any real criminal would've done.
29th Mar '16 4:18:47 PM Gess
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

** About hair - no, about magic - yes. Hair is just a token, something to attune the potion to a specific person with. As to why that person needs to be alive, who knows. Maybe, if the target is dead, the potion will give you the appearence of their ''corpse''. Maybe the inventor of the potion added that caveat specifically to preclude KillAndReplace attempts or at least make them harder. Also, there was no good reason for anyone to go rummaging in his chest either, so it wasn't much of the threat.
26th Mar '16 7:46:09 PM faiteslebruit
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

[[/folder]]

[[folder: Why keep Real!Moody alive?]]
*At the end of the book, Dumbledore states that Real!Moody is lucky because Crouch Jr. needed to keep him alive for his plan to work. Now, I know that Crouch Jr. had to keep Real!Moody alive until he had Imperiused him enough times to learn his mannerisms. When Dumbledore makes this statement, though, it's clear that the only purpose Real!Moody is currently serving is a source of Polyjuice Potion ingredients. Why couldn't Crouch Jr. have just removed all of Moody's hair after he had successfully learned his mannerisms and then kill him? Why leave the possibility that Real!Moody might be discovered alive? Killing him just permanently removes another powerful enemy. There's no real reason why someone would need to be kept alive to make the Polyjuice Potion work, since there's nothing alive about hair anyway.
23rd Mar '16 9:26:31 AM fearlessnikki
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

** And no one had really seen Moody in years. He's a well known eccentric, so it's hard to make him seem suspicious. Dumbledore even only knows he's an impostor when he takes Harry away after the graveyard bit. So the Polyjuice disguise was working for most of the time. And walking around in disguise is much more fool-proof that bewitching the other Moody and keeping track of him.


Added DiffLines:

** And need we remind everyone that three of the four contestants are legally adults? Students yes but legal adults. And they're allowed their wands to defend themselves. The movie admittedly is to blame here, since the dragon breaks free and chases Harry around the castle. But in the book, the dragon never leaves her perch and Harry barely gets injured. Let's also not forget that Madam Pomfrey can heal most injuries instantly. So it's not as bad as you'd think.
This list shows the last 10 events of 837. Show all.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Headscratchers.HarryPotterAndTheGobletOfFire