History Headscratchers / HarryPotterAndTheGobletOfFire

11th Feb '17 12:08:21 AM QuarrelsomeChevon
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** Upon going back and checking the book, it seems the original plan was for them to kill Moody. Voldemort mentions that his faithful servant will have joined them once the time for the murder comes and that if all goes well, the Ministry won't even know about the death until it's too late - both of these make it unlikely he'd meant Crouch, since Jr. would be under his protection ''until'' they took him out, and the Ministry would've found out almost instantly if something happened to him. And later, near the end of their conversation, Voldemort starts musing to himself, "One more murder...My faithful servant at Hogwarts...Harry Potter is as good as mine..." which would translate out to "Have Wormtail and Crouch Jr. kill Moody > Have Jr. impersonate Moody to infiltrate Hogwarts, then enter Harry's name in the tournament and guide him through it."
30th Jan '17 4:52:04 PM LBHills
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** The Unholy Power of his magical eye.



*** When Moody first lost his natural eye and had to have a prosthesis enchanted, he knew very well that illusions and invisibility left him vulnerable to surprise attack. It's hard to say what he did as a work-around, but it clearly doesn't require unbroken line of sight (he can see through solid objects), so it's clearly not based on light. (Though it works much as if it did: "Nice socks, Potter.")



** That doesn't really count in the Potter series because like Hermione said "The ministry was interfering ar Hogwarts" since the minsitry didn't want Harry or Dumbledore to try to presude people that Voldemort was back. Also that Fudge was afraid that Albus was going to try to usurp the Minister postion of Fudge's.

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** That doesn't really count in the Potter series because like Hermione said "The ministry was interfering ar Hogwarts" since the minsitry Ministry didn't want Harry or Dumbledore to try to presude persuade people that Voldemort was back. Also that Fudge was afraid that Albus was going to try to usurp the Minister postion of Fudge's.postion.
26th Jan '17 11:28:37 AM ThorfinnRowle
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** Also it's possible that Voldemort didn't think Snape or Karkaroff were disloyal until they didn't show up at the graveyard. True, he probably would've Crucioed Karkaroff for giving so many names to the Ministry, but it seemed like he only planned on killing those who didn't respond to his summons.


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*** Maybe he intended to kill Crouch Sr. originally, but then realized that the Imperius Curse would work much better. It's also likely that they always intended to kill him, but they had to do it much sooner after he escaped.
21st Jan '17 5:52:04 PM QuarrelsomeChevon
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* I realize the books are under no obligation to go into detail on this, but considering Voldemort's MO, I'm going to go out on a limb and assume he just fed the corpse of Frank Bryce to Nagini after he killed him. What would the Muggle authorities think about this sudden disappearance? Frank is a crotchety old war veteran with a bad leg who has spent the last half-century tending to the grounds of the Riddle house. He's not exactly the type to just up and vanish without warning.
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* I realize the books are under no obligation to go into detail on this, but considering Voldemort's MO, I'm going to go out on a limb and assume he just fed the corpse of Frank Bryce to Nagini after he killed him. What would the Muggle authorities think about this sudden disappearance? Frank is a crotchety old war veteran with a bad leg who has spent the last half-century diligently tending to the grounds of the Riddle house. He's I could see him turning up dead in his bed one morning, but he's not exactly the type to just up and vanish without warning.
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21st Jan '17 5:49:40 PM QuarrelsomeChevon
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* I realize the books are under no obligation to go into detail on this, but considering Voldemort's MO, I'm going to go out on a limb and assume he just fed the corpse of Frank Bryce to Nagini after he killed him. What would the Muggle authorities think about this sudden disappearance? Frank is a crotchety old war veteran with a bad leg who has spent the last half-century tending to the grounds of the Riddle house. He's not exactly the type to just up and vanish without warning.
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19th Jan '17 12:08:43 AM Cornucopia
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**According to Harry's description of Veela at the World Cup, "Veela were women". So yes, they're a OneGenderRace. If Veela and a human man had a daughter she'd be half-Veela. If they had a son he'd just be human.


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**Right because in crowded Hogsmeade with hundreds of students and several adults supervising them, plus all the ordinary residents, Moody can just attack Harry Potter and forcibly take his blood and no one's going to notice. As for pulling him into a secret passage, that plan requires 1. Harry going along with crazy out-of-character Moody trying to take him away from the safety of Hogwarts without the approval of Dumbledore or any other teacher, 2. Nobody seeing or hearing this happen, 3. Dumbledore not having placed any alarms or defence mechanisms on the secret passages that Crouch Junior isn't aware of, 4. Wormtail breaking into Honeydukes or Shrieking Shack successfully AND without anyone noticing and 5. There not being any anti-apparation wards on that part of Hogsmeade at that time or managing to get to the nearest apparation-friendly zone while carrying unconscious Harry Potter and nobody noticing. Right. So many of these arguments amount to "why use a carefully planned complicated scheme that might not work when you could use a completely unplanned IndyPloy that almost certainly won't work?"
18th Jan '17 11:06:16 PM Cornucopia
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**My God, this isn't that difficult. 1. We know you can't apparate in and out of Hogwarts, and it would be ludicrous if you could circumvent this with a portkey. So you can't portkey in and out of Hogwarts either. 2. We know Dumbledore can remove these restrictions or make exceptions to them, as seen in book 6. 3. We know the Cup portkey must have been prearranged to appear at the front of the maze because why would Crouch Junior set it to go there thus giving Harry a possible escape? And why, if it wasn't meant to be a portkey, would he plan to send Harry's body back to the ''front'' of the maze thus advertising to everyone that it was a portkey? 4. So it's clear that Dumbledore removed the wards to allow Fake!Moody to create that particular portkey on that particular night, and Fake!Moody simply redirected it to take a detour to Voldemort's graveyard before going to its original destination. Ergo, the only way to capture Harry with a portkey was with the Triwizard Cup on the night of the Third Task. The plan was just as complicated as it needed to be to actually work! Any questions? Can people stop asking about this now?
1st Jan '17 2:32:20 PM RaustBD
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* So why didn't Hermione's blackmailing of Rita Skeeter include, as one of the conditions for keeping her status as an unregistered animagus secret, that she had to issue public corrections for everything she had misrepresented or lied about, or at least everything she misrepresented or lied about over the last year that happened at Hogwarts, [[ConsummateLiar since otherwise it'd take way too long]]? She had Rita by the metaphorical balls and all she did with it was stop her from doing more damage rather than forcing her to fix the damage she had already done. Surely fixing Hagrid and Harry's reputations should have been high on Hermione's priority list? Especially once it became clear that ''Cornelius Fudge'' was taking her stories seriously? Surely it wouldn't even take somebody with her brains to figure out that correcting the record would have been ''extremely'' important?

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* So why didn't Hermione's blackmailing of Rita Skeeter include, as one of the conditions for keeping her status as an unregistered animagus secret, that she had to issue public corrections for everything she had misrepresented or lied about, or at least everything she misrepresented or lied about over the last year that happened at Hogwarts, [[ConsummateLiar since otherwise it'd take way too long]]? She had Rita by the metaphorical balls and all she did with it was stop her from doing more damage rather than forcing her to fix the damage she had already done. Surely fixing Hagrid and Harry's reputations reputations, as well as her own, should have been high on Hermione's priority list? Especially once it became clear that ''Cornelius Fudge'' was taking her stories seriously? Surely it wouldn't even take somebody with her brains to figure out that correcting the record would have been ''extremely'' important?
1st Jan '17 2:27:08 PM RaustBD
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* So why didn't Hermione's blackmailing of Rita Skeeter include, as one of the conditions for keeping her status as an unregistered animagus secret, that she had to issue public corrections for everything she had misrepresented or lied about, or at least everything she misrepresented or lied about over the last year that happened at Hogwarts, [[ConsummateLiar since otherwise it'd take way too long]]? She had Rita by the metaphorical balls and all she did with it was stop her from doing more damage rather than forcing her to fix the damage she had already done. Surely fixing Hagrid and Harry's reputations should have been high on Hermione's priority list? Especially once it became clear that ''Cornelius Fudge'' was taking her stories seriously? Surely it wouldn't even take somebody with her brains to figure out that correcting the record would have been ''extremely'' important?
19th Dec '16 12:41:27 PM brianify
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** If that's the case, then that "would" a good way of tricking a opponent.

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** If that's the case, then that "would" ''would'' a good way of tricking a opponent.


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** He was hit by the spell, and managed to catch his own wand in the half-millisecond between the spell's impact and said impact knocking him out? He really is the greatest Seeker in the world, or has truly incredible muscle memory.
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