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*Stan Shunpike just bugs me. First, in book 6, it just bugs me that the Ministry is considered to be True Evil for arresting him because he's obviously not a death eater, he's just joking about it. Um, going around bragging about how you're a terrorist and have all these terrorist attacks planned is going to get you thrown into jail in the muggle world too, even if it is just empty boasting. Then, in book 7, it turns out that hey, the Ministry was right! Stan's one of the guys who tries to attack Harry when they're taking him from Privet Drive, and Harry has not a second of reflection that maybe the Ministry did something right or that he might be wrong, he only says Stan's obviously imperiused. Now, on a mission to eliminate the one you think is literally the only person who can stop you, would you send some useless mind-controlled drone if you had anyone else available? And really, why would you bother to imperius Stan Shunpike, of all people, when you could probably effectively imperius the vast majority of Wizarding Britain's population. The conclusion anyone who hasn't already given Harry an omniscient morality license would reach is that yes, Stan Shunpike is and was a Death Eater, particularly given the skepticism already shown to the "but I was imperiused" excuse in previous books. Especially when Harry only knows Stan from a few rides on the Knight Bus and a couple glances of him as a comic relief character.
*Stan Shunpike just bugs me. First, in book 6, it just bugs me that the Ministry is considered to be True Evil for arresting him because he's obviously not a death eater, he's just joking about it. Um, going around bragging about how you're a terrorist and have all these terrorist attacks planned is going to get you thrown into jail in the muggle world too, even if it is just empty boasting. Then, in book 7, it turns out that hey, the Ministry was right! Stan's one of the guys who tries to attack Harry when they're taking him from Privet Drive, and Harry has not a second of reflection that maybe the Ministry did something right or that he might be wrong, he only says Stan's obviously imperiused. Now, on a mission to eliminate the one you think is literally the only person who can stop you, would you send some useless mind-controlled drone if you had anyone else available? And really, why would you bother to imperius Stan Shunpike, of all people, when you could probably effectively imperius the vast majority of Wizarding Britain's population. The conclusion anyone who hasn't already given Harry an omniscient morality license would reach is that yes, Stan Shunpike is and was a Death Eater, particularly given the skepticism already shown to the "but I was imperiused" excuse in previous books. Especially when Harry only knows Stan from a few rides on the Knight Bus and a couple glances of him as a comic relief character.
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* OK, ultimate Main/WallBanger: ''Deathly Hallows''. Voldemort and Harry Potter square off. Harry spends 10 minutes explaining in minute detail exactly why the Elder Wand doesn't work for Voldemort and why it actually belongs to Harry. Then Voldemort proceeds to use a wand ''that he was just told doesn't work'', one that he has already seen evidence that it doesn't work, to try to kill the one person the wand is ''least'' likely to kill. Um, Voldemort? You clearly noted that Harry didn't have his Phoenix wand, so Priori Incantatem (what an Main/AssPull) wouldn't save him. Why not let Harry's Expelliarmus hit, disarm you of a wand you don't own, draw your Wand of Yew, and put that arrogant bastard in the ground? Oh, and then collect the Elder Wand, which would ''then'' belong to you, from the corpse?
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* OK, ultimate Main/WallBanger: truly mind-boggling: ''Deathly Hallows''. Voldemort and Harry Potter square off. Harry spends 10 minutes explaining in minute detail exactly why the Elder Wand doesn't work for Voldemort and why it actually belongs to Harry. Then Voldemort proceeds to use a wand ''that he was just told doesn't work'', one that he has already seen evidence that it doesn't work, to try to kill the one person the wand is ''least'' likely to kill. Um, Voldemort? You clearly noted that Harry didn't have his Phoenix wand, so Priori Incantatem (what an Main/AssPull) wouldn't save him. Why not let Harry's Expelliarmus hit, disarm you of a wand you don't own, draw your Wand of Yew, and put that arrogant bastard in the ground? Oh, and then collect the Elder Wand, which would ''then'' belong to you, from the corpse?
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** Hermione mentioned that Yaxley was momentarily disoriented upon arriving at Grimauld Place, enabling the trio to disapparate again, but... Couldn't they have used that opportunity to at least STUN Yaxley? And the specifics of the Fidelius Charm don't even matter if they were willing to kill him, which would mean they could have remained at Grimmauld Place instead of risk their health/lives out in random forests... But it seems [[StupidGood the life of an evil Death Eater was considered more important by Hermione than she and her friends own lives]]. Quite a WallBanger...
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** Hermione mentioned that Yaxley was momentarily disoriented upon arriving at Grimauld Place, enabling the trio to disapparate again, but... Couldn't they have used that opportunity to at least STUN Yaxley? And the specifics of the Fidelius Charm don't even matter if they were willing to kill him, which would mean they could have remained at Grimmauld Place instead of risk their health/lives out in random forests... But it seems [[StupidGood the life of an evil Death Eater was considered more important by Hermione than she and her friends own lives]]. Quite a WallBanger...
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*** Besides, they're in England, they have gun laws, probably none of them can shoot a gun. It's a lot more complicated than you might think.
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*** All three of them are fugitives from the law--Harry is, of course, Undesirable Number 1, Hermione didn't present herself for questioning, and Ron should be on his death bed with spattergroit. Other Wizarding governments probably wouldn't know or care about Hermione and Ron, but Harry is literally the most wanted person in England at the moment. Assuming that Wizarding nations have the same loyalties that Muggle ones do, don't you think that, say, Magical USA would try to capture him and give him to the British government if they found him?
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***** Then he already personally wants to kill them BOTH, which makes Snape trying to bargain with Voldemort for all their lives even more impossible. Seriously, were you actually going anywhere with that, or is this just one of those petty, meaningless nitpicks I seem to attract like flies?
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***** Then he already personally wants to kill them BOTH, both, which makes Snape trying to bargain with Voldemort for all their lives even more impossible. Seriously, were you actually going anywhere with that, or is this just one of those petty, meaningless nitpicks I seem to attract like flies?impossible.
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*** Harry almost explicitly said that Dumbledore wouldn't have known where the diadem was; he said something about how Dumbledore and Flitwick, being the model students that they were, wouldn't have gone into the Room of Requirement to hide things. And remember in Book 4, Dumbledore mentions a room full of chamberpots that he didn't understand.
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***** Then he already personally wants to kill them BOTH, which makes Snape trying to bargain with Voldemort for all their lives even more impossible. Seriously, were you actually going anywhere with that, or is this just one of those petty, meaningless nitpicks I seem to attract like flies?
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* What exactly happened to Emmeline Vance? She was a member of the Order who died sometime between books 5 and 6; Snape used her death as a way to try to win Bella's trust in the first chapter of book 6, because he said that he gave Voldemort the information that led to her murder. This troper usually used that statement as backup for her belief that Snape really was evil. In this book, he was revealed to be good, but we never heard anything about Emmeline. Was she sacrificed for the good of the Order? Did Snape actually have little to do with her death and just bank on Bellatrix not knowing details? It didn't seem that he could have given information that indirectly led to her death, as she was implied to be murdered, not killed in some sort of battle or something. Does anyone know if JKR said anything on the subject? Or does anyone have any theories?
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* Movie based here. [[spoiler: At the start of the movie they show Hermione wiping her parent's memories. Fine. Bizarrely though Hermione then disappers from childhood pictures BackToTheFuture style? WHY?! I assume it was metaphorical but JUST EXPLAIN!!]]
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* Movie based here. [[spoiler: At the start of the movie they show Hermione wiping her parent's memories. Fine. Bizarrely though Hermione then disappers from childhood pictures BackToTheFuture style? WHY?! I assume it was metaphorical but JUST EXPLAIN!!]]EXPLAIN!!
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* How were Squibs treated under the new regime? It seems like they would be hated, being non-magical and a sign of shame, but they also seem like a good way to scapegoat Muggleborns (oh, these thieves stole magic away from the poor, virtuous would-be wizard!).
** It seems like they were probably treated badly; Filch was on Umbridge's side in the fifth book, but was on the light side during the Battle of Hogwarts.
** It seems like they were probably treated badly; Filch was on Umbridge's side in the fifth book, but was on the light side during the Battle of Hogwarts.
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**** What makes you think that Voldemort felt more wrath towards James than Lily? The prophecy said that Harry was born to "those" who had thrice defied him, not "he who had thrice defied him and she who is a pretty face but completely neutral in the matter". I always assumed that Lily and James had both gotten themselves in bad situations with Voldemort three times and defied him.
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** Why is "there in England, they have gun laws!" a valid counterargument? They are Wizards! they can teleport anywhere in the world. Including places where they can pick up weapons that are illegal elsewhere. And as for Voldemort's immortality, they can take care of that while he's searching for a new body.
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** Why is "there "they're in England, they have gun laws!" a valid counterargument? They are Wizards! they can teleport anywhere in the world. Including places where they can pick up weapons that are illegal elsewhere. And as for Voldemort's immortality, they can take care of that while he's searching for a new body.body.
*** Ignoring of course the other Wizarding governments that would no doubt be suspicious of people trespassing into their country. You have to remember that they have little to no money, are on the run, and it's never confirmed they can teleport large enough distances to say cross the body of water surrounding England. Also keep in mind that Voldemort had Harry listed as undesirable number one, a person of interest, and had the whole Magical Government keeping an eye out for him (so if they keep track of unscheduled transportation across boarders they probably check it out). If other countries found him they might be scared enough to turn him over to Voldemort.
*** Ignoring of course the other Wizarding governments that would no doubt be suspicious of people trespassing into their country. You have to remember that they have little to no money, are on the run, and it's never confirmed they can teleport large enough distances to say cross the body of water surrounding England. Also keep in mind that Voldemort had Harry listed as undesirable number one, a person of interest, and had the whole Magical Government keeping an eye out for him (so if they keep track of unscheduled transportation across boarders they probably check it out). If other countries found him they might be scared enough to turn him over to Voldemort.
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** Plenty of schools don't have First Aid courses, or at least very extensive ones, and plenty of students who do take First Aid classes in school don't really learn anything. Of course, you'd think that Harry Potter of all people would pay attention to First Aid, but it's not ridiculous thinking that Hogwarts doesn't offer any.
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** I don't know that he was presented in a positive light, just a less-negative-than-some-of-the-other-Death-Eaters light. Which is fair enough.
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**** That's what really bothers me - no one even considers the immense social pressure that all Slytherins would be under, forcing even decent students to not step out of line out of fear. Can you imagine what that would have been like? You're surrounded by fanatical Death Eaters every moment of the day, where the slightest hint of disloyalty could get you or your family killed, with no support or anyone to turn to because they're convinced you're evil, and you basically have to bow your head to a racist regime you don't agree with. Perhaps that's why they didn't stick around to fight; why go back and help the people who didn't give the slightest damn about helping you?
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*** I remember a scene in the third book where the kids were supposed to be making a Shrinking Solution, and Neville messed up badly and began to redo it in the middle of class. A good teacher would have explained to Neville what he did wrong the first time and how he could improve. A bad teacher would have left him alone and failed him for the day when he messed up his second potion. A dick teacher would have left him on his own then force-fed the potion to his beloved pet, fully expecting the poor toad to die. Guess which one Snape did.
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*** Training in Occulmency requires 3 essential elements: 1) a competent teacher, in '''Hogwarts??''' 2) time, DD needed to spend 12 months tellin Harry '''absolutely nothing at all''', there was no time remaining to tell Harry useul stuff; 3) the desire to learn, Harry neede the Dark Lord Broadcasting Network.
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** There is an essential difference between the useless, ordinary invisibilitiy cloaks of Crouch, Moody etc. versus Harry's super-dooper Hallow forged by Death '''himself''': DD, Crouch, Mrs Norris, Snape etc can see through the super-dooper cloak; but no-one can see through useless ordinary cloaks. Muggles like me are so morally and racially inferior that we think an invisibility cloak that people cannot see through is better.
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**** Slughorn spent a whole year constantly on the run for his ''life'' because he refused to knuckle under and join the bad guys. He could have stopped at any time and said, "All right, I'm sick of my life always being in danger, I'll join you." Instead, he did what was right. He was never a coward, he just had to fight the Slytherin tendency to think of self-preservation first (if for any sinful reason than for one of self-centeredness, not cowardice).
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** There's also the fact that Hermione lives in a society where obliviating is considered mundane. A witch/wizard's reaction to memory-wiping is NOT the horrified MindRape that we would have, it's more of a giant shrug. The ministry even in its non-corrupt forms has an entire office devoted solely to mindwiping muggles, good characters (including Arthur, quite possibly the biggest muggle-lover of all the wizards that weren't raised by muggles, and the trio) regularly talk about obliviating muggles like it's no big deal, and the worst part of Lockhart's use of the memory charm isn't considered the mindwipe but the taking credit for work that he did not do. Yes, Hermione's muggle-born and she tends to have more compassion for non-wizard/witch anyways, but there's no real double standard here, just one giant case of values dissonance.
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** If Obliviate completely removes memories, why does the Ministry official on the Muggle camping ground-owner in GOF? Why wouldn't he realise that he had hours of blank space where a memory should be? Wouldn't modifying/replacing the memory make more sense that just leaving the guy with hours of missed time/blank space that you would expect him to get suspicious of? Also, Harry says a couple of lines later that he "recognised the symptoms of one who had just had their memory ''modified.''" So apparantly Harry thinks that Obliviate modifies rather than replaces memories.
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** Technically the villains could've watched ''all'' the spells the wand had ever performed (at the cemetary in GoF V's wand replayed the spells it performed 15 years before).
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* This bugged me too, at first, not because Molly was competent but because I agree with whoever wrote the stuff about Bellatrix not being more competent - I thought it was heavily implied throughout the series that Bella was basically the most powerful dark wizard not named Voldemort. Then, possible fridge brilliance struck me. I thought Molly was using Avada Kedavra (again, not stated, but I also thought heavily implied). And it doesn't matter how powerful the target of Avada Kedavra is because it can't be blocked or resisted, it only matters that the person casting it has enough power to "make it work."
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* This bugged me too, at first, not because Molly was competent but because I agree with whoever wrote the stuff about Bellatrix not being more competent - I thought it was heavily implied throughout the series that Bella was basically the most powerful dark wizard not named Voldemort. Then, possible fridge brilliance struck me. I thought Molly was using Avada Kedavra (again, not stated, but I also thought heavily implied). And it doesn't matter how powerful the target of Avada Kedavra is because it can't be blocked or resisted, it only matters that the person casting it has enough power to "make it work." "
* The bottom line is the only piece of evidence we have either way regarding Mrs. Weasley's talents at dueling is that she beat Bellatrix, who was obviously pretty talented. Prior to this, we have no evidence either way for her talents. Maybe she's never even cast Expelliarmus before, or maybe she was the captain of the Hogwarts Dueling Team and then only dropped out of Auror school because Arthur knocked her up. Nothing was ever established either way on this point. The one piece of evidence we have establishes her as obviously pretty skilled, and I don't see why people would find that particularly hard to believe.
* The bottom line is the only piece of evidence we have either way regarding Mrs. Weasley's talents at dueling is that she beat Bellatrix, who was obviously pretty talented. Prior to this, we have no evidence either way for her talents. Maybe she's never even cast Expelliarmus before, or maybe she was the captain of the Hogwarts Dueling Team and then only dropped out of Auror school because Arthur knocked her up. Nothing was ever established either way on this point. The one piece of evidence we have establishes her as obviously pretty skilled, and I don't see why people would find that particularly hard to believe.
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*After Hermione's wand is taken, she says that Voldemort will know that Harry's wand is broken because of priori incantanum. But her wand broke his wand ''weeks'' earlier, and she cast dozens of spells after breaking his wand. Why would that be a concern?
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*** Additionally, he had not even a full year to start his brainwashing program, and most of the students who wanted to stay knew Harry personally. That's gonna trump an obviously eeevil education. (Plus, the older students may very well have told the younger ones who hadn't had as much contact with Harry not to listen to the Carrows).
