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* Why is it that you'll never look at Hanna the same way again after watching [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7YXn-lfHXc this video]] of a kid who kind of looks like he only ''looks'' that young? You're welcome.
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***I don't get "H.F." at all, and Hanna probably wouldn't either.


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**I think things were finally starting to get consistent, or at least headed in that direction. I understand the weird pacing for the first two chapters, but I'll agree the place where the story leaves off is kind of all over the place. I had hoped that the next section would clear up the mess a bit (because I DO love the story), but as the comic has been left in limbo...
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*Am I the only one who's bothered by the pacing of this story? I love the artwork, but story wise this comic's kind of a mess.
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** Maybe he likes his name?
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*On that note, why couldn't Hanna or someone invite Conrad inside Ples's house? Is there a requirement that only the owner can invite a vamp?
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\n*His name is Hanna Falk Cross. So why doesn't he go by "Jeff", short for "H.F."?
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** He's a [[MSTMantra Zombie]]. End of story.

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* Why are there so many British characters? Ples, Conrad, and Finas are all British. And Worth is Australian, which is close enough. This is out of a cast of about twelve to fourteen characters of any importance whatsoever. Is this the ''third'' British Invasion? ''A la'' Chinatown and Little Italy, does the city in which it takes place have some district known as... er... LittleBritain?
** No offense to the above poster, but why shouldn't there be 'so many' British characters? Just because you're born in one country doesn't mean you can't choose to emigrate and live in another one; I know quite a few Americans presently living in the east of England, all in round about the same area. As for why they're all in the same city; Finas is just there because he and Cas needed to track down Adelaide, it's not like he's a permanent resident, and it's a fairly big place so there's no reason why Ples and Conrad couldn't stay in different parts of it. They don't exactly live on the same street, after all. As for Worth; Australians generally don't mind the British but they don't really take kindly to being lumped in with the 'Poms', as they call us. So really there's only ''three'' British characters out of the aforementioned cast of twelve to fourteen, one of whom is just passing through.
** As an Australian I have to agree with the above poster's comment. How would you feel if you were lumped in with the Canadians and South Americans?
** She likes making British characters. Why does it bother you? And three out of fourteen is hardly a "British Invasion".
* I was recommended to this series but I really don't see a lot of what the hype is. The schedule slip in particular is kinda annoying, especially when the creator opts instead to basically draw her own fanart. Also, to be really blunt, guys in general do not act the way they're portrayed in the comic; you could make an argument for some characters yes, but personally the blatant YaoiFangirl style writing of the creator turned me off from the series.
** Does it count as ScheduleSlip if the series doesn't claim to update on certain days in the first place? (Disliking the unpredictable updates is understandable enough, I'm just nitpicking your choice of words.) Also, while I'm not a guy, I can't tell what part of the guys' behaviour you find unrealistic, unless you mean the abundance of [[HoYay homoeroticism]]. Mind explaining?
*** On the "ScheduleSlip" it seems to me more that the creator is more interested in drawing whatever she feels like and if that doesn't include a story update so be it. A byproduct of that is having characters introduced way way before they're even mentioned in the story which aggravates me personally. Secondly, the fact of the matter is that Hanna basically walks around fawning over shipping and having what I'm going to dub {{Animesque}} reactions to stuff for lack of a better word. While that's the only thing that's shown in canon so far, fan material and the creators extra art itself take that and run with it for everyone. To summarize I suppose without going into a huge and complicated debate about gender identity and sexual orientation; most of the guys act like chicks. While some men certainly are not paragons of manliness[[hottip:*: this troper admits to acting more like a chick than most of his female friends for that matter]] and definitely act like that, they are by no means the majority. Altogether the entire story comes off to me as being little more than a vehicle for [[YaoiFangirls yaoi fanfic/fanart]]
*** This Troper doesn't see why any of this is problem. What drew me in, personally, was the fun, quirky art, the amusing character interaction, and the interesting premise. I don't find the unpredictability of the updates very grating- maybe I'm just infinitely more patient than the other folks here, I dunno -and the fact that some of the male characters act kind of feminine can be explained by two things: 1) the writer is a girl and understandably probably more capable of writing femininity than blazing masculinity (though she does a good job at writing a more masculine guy when it comes to Worth and Toucey, in my opinion) and 2)the only characters that really seem feminine are Conrad (stereotypical stuffy Brit) and Hanna (hyperactive young man who simply seems {{Keet}} more than being a girly-boy), and that's simply their characters. Maybe I'm missing something here, I dunno, but it seems to me that the characters, while not necessarily realistic in the terms of RealLife, are at least consistent. If they're too feminine for you, or you're annoyed by the fact that they seem to be vehicles for yaoi fanart... well, there's other webcomics out there.
*** Indeed there are. I can see the appeal behind why some people would like this, and it's genuinely interesting, but FridgeLogic really turned everything sour for me. Oh well, nothing ventured nothing gained.
** There are guys who act feminine. Sure, it might not be the norm, but it's a bit odd to say that ALL guys act the same.
*** I'm just gunna chime in here, as a rabid yaoi fangirl myself. Most of my pairings in ANYTHING and everything are of the yaoi nature (I have a fast growing y!gallery account and everything), and I don't really get into a series if I can't find a good pairing to fawn over. In the case of HINA BN, sure there is plenty of stuff to work with, but I can't see most of the pairings. I'm actually a bit turned off with all the .../Hanna or Ples/Vesser out there. I don't ship anything for HINA BN, and I find it all to be in good bromance. Guys can be nice to/tease each other without being gay about it, you know. What drew me in was the awesome style, engaging characters and great writing. Its actually a breath of fresh air with all the bromance without really any of the 'romance' part.
** Firstly, she can't have a "ScheduleSlip" because she never set up a schedule in the first place, also, the fanart is apreciated by hundreds of fans and drawing pages after pages of a comic non-stop can get really aggravating. Secondly, most of the males here are calmer and more coherent than the hyperactive, spazzy protagonists of most comics (Yes, even Hanna.) so obviously they don't act like hormonal teenage twerps ([[{{Naruto}} BELIEVE IT!]]) but when compared to older, smarter males in real life, they're pretty believable. Thirdly, I honestly don't see the Yaoi you speak of, everything just comes off as normal male interactions or bromance to me, you just seem to be reading too far into it.


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* Why are there so many British characters? Ples, Conrad, and Finas are all British. And Worth is Australian, which is close enough. This is out of a cast of about twelve to fourteen characters of any importance whatsoever. Is this the ''third'' British Invasion? ''A la'' Chinatown and Little Italy, does the city in which it takes place have some district known as... er... LittleBritain?
** No offense to the above poster, but why shouldn't there be 'so many' British characters? Just because you're born in one country doesn't mean you can't choose to emigrate and live in another one; I know quite a few Americans presently living in the east of England, all in round about the same area. As for why they're all in the same city; Finas is just there because he and Cas needed to track down Adelaide, it's not like he's a permanent resident, and it's a fairly big place so there's no reason why Ples and Conrad couldn't stay in different parts of it. They don't exactly live on the same street, after all. As for Worth; Australians generally don't mind the British but they don't really take kindly to being lumped in with the 'Poms', as they call us. So really there's only ''three'' British characters out of the aforementioned cast of twelve to fourteen, one of whom is just passing through.
** As an Australian I have to agree with the above poster's comment. How would you feel if you were lumped in with the Canadians and South Americans?
** She likes making British characters. Why does it bother you? And three out of fourteen is hardly a "British Invasion".
* I was recommended to this series but I really don't see a lot of what the hype is. The schedule slip in particular is kinda annoying, especially when the creator opts instead to basically draw her own fanart. Also, to be really blunt, guys in general do not act the way they're portrayed in the comic; you could make an argument for some characters yes, but personally the blatant YaoiFangirl style writing of the creator turned me off from the series.
** Does it count as ScheduleSlip if the series doesn't claim to update on certain days in the first place? (Disliking the unpredictable updates is understandable enough, I'm just nitpicking your choice of words.) Also, while I'm not a guy, I can't tell what part of the guys' behaviour you find unrealistic, unless you mean the abundance of [[HoYay homoeroticism]]. Mind explaining?
*** On the "ScheduleSlip" it seems to me more that the creator is more interested in drawing whatever she feels like and if that doesn't include a story update so be it. A byproduct of that is having characters introduced way way before they're even mentioned in the story which aggravates me personally. Secondly, the fact of the matter is that Hanna basically walks around fawning over shipping and having what I'm going to dub {{Animesque}} reactions to stuff for lack of a better word. While that's the only thing that's shown in canon so far, fan material and the creators extra art itself take that and run with it for everyone. To summarize I suppose without going into a huge and complicated debate about gender identity and sexual orientation; most of the guys act like chicks. While some men certainly are not paragons of manliness[[hottip:*: this troper admits to acting more like a chick than most of his female friends for that matter]] and definitely act like that, they are by no means the majority. Altogether the entire story comes off to me as being little more than a vehicle for [[YaoiFangirls yaoi fanfic/fanart]]
*** This Troper doesn't see why any of this is problem. What drew me in, personally, was the fun, quirky art, the amusing character interaction, and the interesting premise. I don't find the unpredictability of the updates very grating- maybe I'm just infinitely more patient than the other folks here, I dunno -and the fact that some of the male characters act kind of feminine can be explained by two things: 1) the writer is a girl and understandably probably more capable of writing femininity than blazing masculinity (though she does a good job at writing a more masculine guy when it comes to Worth and Toucey, in my opinion) and 2)the only characters that really seem feminine are Conrad (stereotypical stuffy Brit) and Hanna (hyperactive young man who simply seems {{Keet}} more than being a girly-boy), and that's simply their characters. Maybe I'm missing something here, I dunno, but it seems to me that the characters, while not necessarily realistic in the terms of RealLife, are at least consistent. If they're too feminine for you, or you're annoyed by the fact that they seem to be vehicles for yaoi fanart... well, there's other webcomics out there.
*** Indeed there are. I can see the appeal behind why some people would like this, and it's genuinely interesting, but FridgeLogic really turned everything sour for me. Oh well, nothing ventured nothing gained.
** There are guys who act feminine. Sure, it might not be the norm, but it's a bit odd to say that ALL guys act the same.
*** I'm just gunna chime in here, as a rabid yaoi fangirl myself. Most of my pairings in ANYTHING and everything are of the yaoi nature (I have a fast growing y!gallery account and everything), and I don't really get into a series if I can't find a good pairing to fawn over. In the case of HINA BN, sure there is plenty of stuff to work with, but I can't see most of the pairings. I'm actually a bit turned off with all the .../Hanna or Ples/Vesser out there. I don't ship anything for HINA BN, and I find it all to be in good bromance. Guys can be nice to/tease each other without being gay about it, you know. What drew me in was the awesome style, engaging characters and great writing. Its actually a breath of fresh air with all the bromance without really any of the 'romance' part.
** Firstly, she can't have a "ScheduleSlip" because she never set up a schedule in the first place, also, the fanart is apreciated by hundreds of fans and drawing pages after pages of a comic non-stop can get really aggravating. Secondly, most of the males here are calmer and more coherent than the hyperactive, spazzy protagonists of most comics (Yes, even Hanna.) so obviously they don't act like hormonal teenage twerps ([[{{Naruto}} BELIEVE IT!]]) but when compared to older, smarter males in real life, they're pretty believable. Thirdly, I honestly don't see the Yaoi you speak of, everything just comes off as normal male interactions or bromance to me, you just seem to be reading too far into it.

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** As an Australian I have to agree with the above poster's comment. How would you feel if you were lumped in with the Canadians and South Americans?
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*** I'd be more concerned about Hanna getting sick, if he's putting the same needles that have been used to stitch up dead flesh in his mouth. Even if Zombie doesn't seem to be rotting much.

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*** In addition, Hanna's not really that competent. I could easily see him holding hypodermics of infected blood in his mouth (by the plunger, not even he would be stupid enough to hiold them by the needle), needles that he's using to sew a NotUsingTheZedWord's arm back on are nothing. The straight needles could be explained by reason of the guy whose medkit it is is 1) used to having to treat paranormals, and 2) "is a hack with head trauma" (though I doubt the head trauma is really relevant at the moment).

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*** In addition, Hanna's not really that competent. I could easily see him holding hypodermics of infected blood in his mouth (by the plunger, not even he would be stupid enough to hiold hold them by the needle), needles that he's using to sew a NotUsingTheZedWord's arm back on are nothing. The straight needles could be explained by reason of the guy whose medkit it is is 1) used to having to treat paranormals, and 2) "is a hack with head trauma" (though I doubt the head trauma is really relevant at the moment).



*** ohno, we don't want the zombie to get sick. He might... oh wait. He's dead and a zombie, he's already dead and sick. So... who cares about proper medical procedures? If it borthers you, just pretend it's ''magical'' needle and thread.

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*** ohno, we don't want the zombie to get sick. He might... oh wait. He's dead and a zombie, he's already dead and sick. So... who cares about proper medical procedures? If it borthers bothers you, just pretend it's ''magical'' needle and thread.thread.
*** Also, he probably learned any "medical procedures" from watching Worth, who is not exactly a shining Doctor. I can see Worth using a curved needle (Which by the way, Seamstresses use too) but definitely not considering whats sterile and what's not. In the page where Worth drops the organ, he gets mad, but promptly just picks it back up. It can probably be assumed that he still plans on using said organ on a client. So Hanna is not a doctor himself and the only example he has of one is not very good.
*** And lets face it, Tessa is not a doctor herself. You can't blame her considering the fact that its not like she can go look up the proper procedure on youtube or would even think too long about it. And Hanna would have the same medical knowledge as herself, so she really didn't need to look it up.


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***To this, she probably could have somehow snuck he way in from Conrad opening a window when she was on the window (almost like letting her come in, even if not realising it) or you could say the loophole that its an apartment, and since Conrad rents and doesn't own the home, she has free reign.
**If his apartment complex is a government owned housing project, it could be considered a public building.
**Or she could simply be a more powerful vampire and can get around this
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Just bugs me isnt for complaining about stuff you dont like.


* While I think the story and premise are excellent I was really disappointed to start reading and find myself at the end of the archive in a little less than two hours. The story has gone basically nowhere since starting, so why is it popular enough to have a wiki and everything? Here I thought I'd found a great fanasty epic to get into and all I get is like two and a half chapters with no exposition to speak of. Kind of a letdown.

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* While I think the story and premise are excellent I was really disappointed to start reading and find myself at the end of the archive in a little less than two hours. The story has gone basically nowhere since starting, so why is it popular enough to have a wiki and everything? Here I thought I'd found a great fanasty epic to get into and all I get is like two and a half chapters with no exposition to speak of. Kind of a letdown.
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* While I think the story and premise are excellent I was really disappointed to start reading and find myself at the end of the archive in a little less than two hours. The story has gone basically nowhere since starting, so why is it popular enough to have a wiki and everything? Here I thought I'd found a great fanasty epic to get into and all I get is like two and a half chapters with no exposition to speak of. Kind of a letdown.
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**She likes making British characters. Why does it bother you? And three out of fourteen is hardly a "British Invasion".
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** Firstly, she can't have a "ScheduleSlip" because she never set up a schedule in the first place, also, the fanart is apreciated by hundreds of fans and drawing pages after pages of a comic non-stop can get really aggravating. Secondly, most of the males here are calmer and more coherent than the hyperactive, spazzy protagonists of most comics (Yes, even Hanna.) so obviously they don't act like hormonal teenage twerps ([[{{Naruto}} BELIEVE IT!]]) but when compared to older, smarter males in real life, they're pretty believable. Thirdly, I honestly don't see the Yaoi you speak of, everything just comes off as normal male interactions or bromance to me, you just seem to be reading too far into it.
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***I'm just gunna chime in here, as a rabid yaoi fangirl myself. Most of my pairings in ANYTHING and everything are of the yaoi nature (I have a fast growing y!gallery account and everything), and I don't really get into a series if I can't find a good pairing to fawn over. In the case of HINA BN, sure there is plenty of stuff to work with, but I can't see most of the pairings. I'm actually a bit turned off with all the .../Hanna or Ples/Vesser out there. I don't ship anything for HINA BN, and I find it all to be in good bromance. Guys can be nice to/tease each other without being gay about it, you know. What drew me in was the awesome style, engaging characters and great writing. Its actually a breath of fresh air with all the bromance without really any of the 'romance' part.
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*** In addition, Hanna's not really that competent. I could easily see him holding hypodermics of infected blood in his mouth (by the plunger, not even he would be stupid enough to hiold them by the needle), needles that he's using to sew a NotUsingTheZedWord's arm back on are nothing. The straight needles could be explained by reason of the guy whose medkit it is is 1) used to having to treat paranormals, and 2) "is a hack with head trauma" (though I doubt the head trauma is really relevant at the moment).

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*** In addition, Hanna's not really that competent. I could easily see him holding hypodermics of infected blood in his mouth (by the plunger, not even he would be stupid enough to hiold them by the needle), needles that he's using to sew a NotUsingTheZedWord's arm back on are nothing. The straight needles could be explained by reason of the guy whose medkit it is is 1) used to having to treat paranormals, and 2) "is a hack with head trauma" (though I doubt the head trauma is really relevant at the moment). moment).
****Why would having to treat the paranormal mean that he wouldn't have proper medical needles?
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* There are guys who act feminine. Sure, it might not be the norm, but it's a bit odd to say that ALL guys act the same.

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* ** There are guys who act feminine. Sure, it might not be the norm, but it's a bit odd to say that ALL guys act the same.
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*** Indeed there are. I can see the appeal behind why some people would like this, and it's genuinely interesting, but FridgeLogic really turned everything sour for me. Oh well, nothing ventured nothing gained.
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*** This Troper doesn't see why any of this is problem. What drew me in, personally, was the fun, quirky art, the amusing character interaction, and the interesting premise. I don't find the unpredictability of the updates very grating- maybe I'm just infinitely more patient than the other folks here, I dunno -and the fact that some of the male characters act kind of feminine can be explained by two things: 1) the writer is a girl and understandably probably more capable of writing femininity than blazing masculinity (though she does a good job at writing a more masculine guy when it comes to Worth and Toucey, in my opinion) and 2)the only characters that really seem feminine are Conrad (stereotypical stuffy Brit) and Hanna (hyperactive young man who simply seems {{Keet}} more than being a girly-boy), and that's simply their characters. Maybe I'm missing something here, I dunno, but it seems to me that the characters, while not necessarily realistic in the terms of RealLife, are at least consistent. If they're too feminine for you, or you're annoyed by the fact that they seem to be vehicles for yaoi fanart... well, there's other webcomics out there.
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*** On the "ScheduleSlip" it seems to me more that the creator is more interested in drawing whatever she feels like and if that doesn't include a story update so be it. A byproduct of that is having characters introduced way way before they're even mentioned in the story which aggravates me personally. Secondly, the fact of the matter is that Hanna basically walks around fawning over shipping and having what I'm going to dub {{Animesque}} reactions to stuff for lack of a better word. While that's the only thing that's shown in canon so far, fan material and the creators extra art itself take that and run with it for everyone. To summarize I suppose without going into a huge and complicated debate about gender identity and sexual orientation; most of the guys act like chicks. While some men certainly are not paragons of manliness[[hottip:*: this troper admits to acting more like a chick than most of his female friends for that matter]] and definitely act like that, they are by no means the majority. Altogether the entire story comes off to me as being little more than a vehicle for [[YaoiFangirls yaoi fanfic/fanart]]
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** Does it count as ScheduleSlip if the series doesn't claim to update on certain days in the first place? (Disliking the unpredictable updates is understandable enough, I'm just nitpicking your choice of words.) Also, while I'm not a guy, I can't tell what part of the guys' behaviour you find unrealistic, unless you mean the abundance of [[HoYay homoeroticism]]. Mind explaining?
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* I was recommended to this series but I really don't see a lot of what the hype is. The schedule slip in particular is kinda annoying, especially when the creator opts instead to basically draw her own fanart. Also, to be really blunt, guys in general do not act the way they're portrayed in the comic; you could make an argument for some characters yes, but personally the blatant YaoiFangirl style writing of the creator turned me off from the series.
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** No offense to the above poster, but why shouldn't there be 'so many' British characters? Just because you're born in one country doesn't mean you can't choose to emigrate and live in another one; I know quite a few Americans presently living in the east of England, all in round about the same area. As for why they're all in the same city; Finas is just there because he and Cas needed to track down Adelaide, it's not like he's a permanent resident, and it's a fairly big place so there's no reason why Ples and Conrad couldn't stay in different parts of it. It's not as if they live on the same street, after all. As for Worth; Australians generally don't mind the British but they don't really take kindly to being lumped in with the 'Poms', as they call us. So really there's only ''three'' British characters out of the aforementioned cast of twelve to fourteen, one of whom is just passing through.

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** No offense to the above poster, but why shouldn't there be 'so many' British characters? Just because you're born in one country doesn't mean you can't choose to emigrate and live in another one; I know quite a few Americans presently living in the east of England, all in round about the same area. As for why they're all in the same city; Finas is just there because he and Cas needed to track down Adelaide, it's not like he's a permanent resident, and it's a fairly big place so there's no reason why Ples and Conrad couldn't stay in different parts of it. It's not as if they They don't exactly live on the same street, after all. As for Worth; Australians generally don't mind the British but they don't really take kindly to being lumped in with the 'Poms', as they call us. So really there's only ''three'' British characters out of the aforementioned cast of twelve to fourteen, one of whom is just passing through.
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** No offense to the above poster, but why shouldn't there be 'so many' British characters? Just because you're born in one country doesn't mean you can't choose to emigrate and live in another one; I know quite a few Americans presently living in the east of England, all in round about the same area. As for why they're all in the same city; Finas is just there because he and Cas needed to track down Adelaide, it's not like he's a permanent resident, and it's a fairly big place so there's no reason why Ples and Conrad couldn't stay in different parts of it. It's not as if they live on the same street, after all. As for Worth; Australians generally don't mind the British but they don't really take kindly to being lumped in with the 'Poms', as they call us. So really there's only ''three'' British characters out of the aforementioned cast of twelve to fourteen, one of whom is just passing through.
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* Why are there so many British characters? Ples, Conrad, and Finas are all British. And Worth is Australian, which is close enough. This is out of a cast of about twelve to fourteen characters of any importance whatsoever. Is this the ''third'' British Invasion? ''A la'' Chinatown and Little Italy, does the city in which it takes place have some district known as... er... LittleBritain?
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**Could be a factor, but more than likely she was just more familiar with the loopholes one can use in such situations. Conrad is new to this deal. He doesn't carry around 'welcome' mat all time to place in front of doors, or sweet excuses for a brief invite.
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** Maybe because she's [[BadAss Adelaide]] and he's... [[ButtMonkey Conrad]]?
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* If vampires [[VampireInvitation need to be invited]] into a human's home, then how did Adelaide get into Conrad's apartment?

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