History Headscratchers / GroundhogDay

13th May '16 8:39:08 AM DoctorNemesis
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** He probably just suggested they stay overnight instead of rushing straight back to Pittsburgh. He was the only one who was initially in a hurry to leave, after all, the others didn't really care that much, so they were probably quite willing to hang around.
6th May '16 8:22:41 PM tommy1138
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**Waaaaiiiit a second. That means... he knows about the afterlife. And if a God is controlling the timeloop, then... could he have met God?
4th May '16 4:08:31 PM Chernabog
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*How did Phil stop the van on the last day? Sabotage doesn't seem like an option at that point.
18th Feb '16 9:52:42 PM luberdot
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** This has always bothered me. After the auction, when Phil makes a snow sculpture of Rita's face, he says something to the tune of "I could do it without even looking at you. I know every inch of your face." That's a very weird thing to say to someone you've only known for two days! Furthermore, Phil has shows two wildly different personalities in just two days' time. It's a wonder that Rita doesn't take him for mentally ill.

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** This has always bothered me. After the auction, when Phil makes a snow sculpture of Rita's face, he says something to the tune of "I could do it without even looking at you. I know every inch of your face." That's a very weird thing to say to someone you've only known for two days! Furthermore, Phil has shows two wildly different personalities in just two days' time. It's a wonder that Rita doesn't take him for mentally ill.
18th Feb '16 9:51:34 PM luberdot
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** This has always bothered me. After the auction, when Phil makes a snow sculpture of Rita's face, he says something to the tune of "I could do it without even looking at you. I know every inch of your face." That's a very weird thing to say to someone you've only known for two days! Furthermore, Phil has shows two wildly different personalities in just two days' time. It's a wonder that Rita doesn't take him for mentally ill.
5th Sep '15 6:01:19 PM maxwellsilver
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** My theory is that all the actions of his life added together to form what I will tenatively call a "Jerkass Singularity", brought to Critical Mass by his manner towards his new coworker. To escape, he had to act in a manner that was explicitly opposite to the way he used to be, effectively canceling the singularity.

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** My theory is that all the actions of his life added together to form what I will tenatively tentatively call a "Jerkass Singularity", brought to Critical Mass by his manner towards his new coworker. To escape, he had to act in a manner that was explicitly opposite to the way he used to be, effectively canceling the singularity.



** Perhaps it was Main/AllJustADream. He doesn't seem to have the psychological effect of going through time that many times, he just learned a lesson. Maybe he just had a really freaky dream and decided to change his ways.

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** Perhaps it was Main/AllJustADream.AllJustADream. He doesn't seem to have the psychological effect of going through time that many times, he just learned a lesson. Maybe he just had a really freaky dream and decided to change his ways.



** Main/AWizardDidIt.
*** If we're working from the [[Series/XenaWarriorPrincess Lucy Lawless]] angle, we can notice that both stories reached their resolution once the Main/OfficialCouple got together and circumstances no longer threatened to tear them apart. (An early attempt to woo her didn't work because she would have stopped being wooed if the next day started. She was intrigued, not in love.) Therefore, we can blame Cupid for Phil's situation as well.
** My own instinct is that it's only when he became not only a man who deserved Rita's love but a man that he himself could genuinely like and be proud of that the 'curse' ended. He even says it at one point, when Rita accuses him of only loving himself; "I don't even ''like'' myself." His whole character before the movie is someone who hates everything, and it's pretty clear that he hates himself most of all. Being a selfish jerkass who exploits the day for personal gain doesn't break the cycle, doing good deeds for selfish motives (seducing Rita) doesn't work, retreating into despair, nilhilism and suicide doesn't work, and even philanthropy for genuinely good reasons doesn't work by itself (as witnessed by the old homeless man who, no matter what he does, he simply can't save). It's notable that the day ends not only after he's become a genuinely nice man willing to help other people, but after he's also improved and enriched himself as a person; he's learned a musical instrument, learned how to ice-sculpt, and developed a fondness for poetry and literature. It's after a mixture of self-improvement, learning humility and helpfulness and yes, becoming a genuinely good and kind man that the day ends for Phil; one of the benefits of this is that he is now a man whom Rita could genuinely find herself falling in love with and who could genuinely love her back in return.

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** Main/AWizardDidIt.
AWizardDidIt.
*** If we're working from the [[Series/XenaWarriorPrincess Lucy Lawless]] angle, we can notice that both stories reached their resolution once the Main/OfficialCouple OfficialCouple got together and circumstances no longer threatened to tear them apart. (An early attempt to woo her didn't work because she would have stopped being wooed if the next day started. She was intrigued, not in love.) Therefore, we can blame Cupid for Phil's situation as well.
** My own instinct is that it's only when he became not only a man who deserved Rita's love but a man that he himself could genuinely like and be proud of that the 'curse' ended. He even says it at one point, when Rita accuses him of only loving himself; "I don't even ''like'' myself." His whole character before the movie is someone who hates everything, and it's pretty clear that he hates himself most of all. Being a selfish jerkass who exploits the day for personal gain doesn't break the cycle, doing good deeds for selfish motives (seducing Rita) doesn't work, retreating into despair, nilhilism nihilism and suicide doesn't work, and even philanthropy for genuinely good reasons doesn't work by itself (as witnessed by the old homeless man who, no matter what he does, he simply can't save). It's notable that the day ends not only after he's become a genuinely nice man willing to help other people, but after he's also improved and enriched himself as a person; he's learned a musical instrument, learned how to ice-sculpt, and developed a fondness for poetry and literature. It's after a mixture of self-improvement, learning humility and helpfulness and yes, becoming a genuinely good and kind man that the day ends for Phil; one of the benefits of this is that he is now a man whom Rita could genuinely find herself falling in love with and who could genuinely love her back in return.



**** Sure, and this was lampshaded too, when he's in a bar drinking and complaining that it had to be *this* day -- in this crappy town, far away from all the greatest pleasures his life has had to offer, rather than that day he had glorious sex on the beach -- that he has to live over and over. If we're going to take the Buddhist interpretation, this is the equivalent of people who complain about the problem of the human condition being specific human ills -- disease, poverty, racism, etc. -- rather than the problem of being a mortal, limited being in and of itself, just like Phil doesn't recognize that being trapped in *any* day over and over again would eventually become hell and that, in fact, the inconveniences and annoyances of being trapped in Punxatawney are in a way a blessing. They enable him to get over his hedonistic pleasure-seeking and begin to see opportunities to use his power to help people sooner, rather than later.

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**** Sure, and this was lampshaded too, when he's in a bar drinking and complaining that it had to be *this* day -- in this crappy town, far away from all the greatest pleasures his life has had to offer, rather than that day he had glorious sex on the beach -- that he has to live over and over. If we're going to take the Buddhist interpretation, this is the equivalent of people who complain about the problem of the human condition being specific human ills -- disease, poverty, racism, etc. -- rather than the problem of being a mortal, limited being in and of itself, just like Phil doesn't recognize that being trapped in *any* day over and over again would eventually become hell and that, in fact, the inconveniences and annoyances of being trapped in Punxatawney Punxsutawney are in a way a blessing. They enable him to get over his hedonistic pleasure-seeking and begin to see opportunities to use his power to help people sooner, rather than later.



*** This troper is here to tell you that accumulating that quantity of piano proficiency in that period of time is IMPOSSIBLE. Not just hard, not even "you would have to be Franz Liszt" hard, but rather it simply can't be done. You can't build that much muscle memory so fast, let alone do it while spending as much time as he does doing all that other stuff. It has to be longer.

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*** This troper I is here to tell you that accumulating that quantity of piano proficiency in that period of time is IMPOSSIBLE. Not just hard, not even "you would have to be Franz Liszt" hard, but rather it simply can't be done. You can't build that much muscle memory so fast, let alone do it while spending as much time as he does doing all that other stuff. It has to be longer.



******* That's easy at day two. At day two thousand four hundred and ninetyseven, not that easy. Or, if we're going for the millennium run, day one hundred and fortyseven thousand, six hundred and fiftythree.

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******* That's easy at day two. At day two thousand four hundred and ninetyseven, ninety seven, not that easy. Or, if we're going for the millennium run, day one hundred and fortyseven forty seven thousand, six hundred and fiftythree.fifty three.



*** This troper recalls the other Wiki mentioning that along with the WordOfGod stating Phil was cursed, they also intended to have Phil relive that day not just for months or years, but for a MILLENNIUM. FateWorseThanDeath indeed. When I read that, the movie suddenly became a LOT more nightmarish for me.

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*** This troper I recalls the other Wiki mentioning that along with the WordOfGod stating Phil was cursed, they also intended to have Phil relive that day not just for months or years, but for a MILLENNIUM. FateWorseThanDeath indeed. When I read that, the movie suddenly became a LOT more nightmarish for me.



**** Just a nipick, but 10,000 years is ten millenia, not a millenium.

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**** Just a nipick, nitpick, but 10,000 years is ten millenia, not a millenium.



** In the first draft it was a gypsy curse (why is probably explained in it, but probably pissing off a gyspy), the second, a scorned ex-girlfriend put the curse on him, both of which can only be broken by becoming a better person. It's possible one or the other is still the case in the final version. It's never explicitely stated that the entire universe is put on halt; perhaps Phil's loop is in a seperate universe, and his breaking of the loop brings him back to the regular universe.
** The same reason [[ItsAWonderfulLife George Bailey]] and [[AChristmasCarol Ebeneezer Scrooge]] were picked for angelic/ghostly intervention.

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** In the first draft it was a gypsy curse (why is probably explained in it, but probably pissing off a gyspy), gypsy), the second, a scorned ex-girlfriend put the curse on him, both of which can only be broken by becoming a better person. It's possible one or the other is still the case in the final version. It's never explicitely explicitly stated that the entire universe is put on halt; perhaps Phil's loop is in a seperate universe, and his breaking of the loop brings him back to the regular universe.
** The same reason [[ItsAWonderfulLife George Bailey]] and [[AChristmasCarol Ebeneezer Ebenezer Scrooge]] were picked for angelic/ghostly intervention.
25th Aug '15 11:29:16 AM MarsJenkar
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** I think it's implied on the day he gets arrested that... hey. Wait a second...

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** I think it's implied on the day he gets arrested that... [[LateToThePunchline hey. Wait a second...]]
4th Aug '15 12:58:17 PM bronxboy182
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° On his Final Day it seems that he is well-known and highly regarded by many people in the town. I guess this could mean that all of the people in-town have been evolving—in a karmic sense—though at a slower pace than Phil.
7th Jun '15 9:41:36 PM Erzengel
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** He definitely didn't go to a new hotel. When he leaves the bathroom on the first night, he talks to the B&B's owner (the same lady he talks to in the mornings) and asks her about the hot water and she just laughs.
3rd Feb '15 2:42:34 PM SuperMagneto
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* Is the curse really that bad as the movie makes it out to be?? Not everyone wants to grow old, or meet the grim reaper one day. Bill Murry's character had immortality. You, your friends, and family will die one day. Why not enjoy the curse? The only downside is you will see the same things over and over for all eternity.
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