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** Perhaps his ego was making this calculation?
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** It's essentially an attempt to "fix" the plot from the book, which was an actual robbery. In the film, Bond explains how ridiculous it would be to try and move that much gold. The writers saw this as a "more realistic" plan. However, it's not very good economically, either and as you pointed out doesn't really fit Goldfinger's particular obsession.
** It's essentially an attempt to "fix" the plot from the book, which was an actual robbery. In the film, Bond explains how ridiculous it would be to try and move that much gold. The writers saw this as a "more realistic" plan. However, it's not very good economically, either and as you pointed out doesn't really fit Goldfinger's particular obsession.
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*** Yes, but he's also under orders to watch Goldfinger, presumably in secret. This gives away to Goldfinger that someone has him under surveillance. At this point, Bond has know idea what M's interest is and revealing himself potentially endangers any future operations.
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** In the words of ''{{Series/Sherlock}}'', genius needs an audience. He's spent all this time on a plan he is immensely proud of but he knows that he can never tell anyone about it. So he tells people he's planning to kill
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* How would Goldfinger benefit if his plan succeeded? He wants to increase the value of his gold hoard. But Goldfinger isn't a gold dealer, he just acquires gold. He could only benefit if he was planning on selling off his personal hoard, which is something he wouldn't do. If anything, he would want the price of gold to go ''down'' to make it easier to acquire more of it.
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** First, there would have been no accompanying reports of any missiles or bombers in US airspace at all. Second, Fort Knox itself would not be a good target for a single Soviet attack by air - it may hold the US Bullion Depositry but it's not a military threat against the Soviet Union (i.e., it doesn't house nuclear-capable missiles or bombers, which to the Soviets would be by far the much larger worry). Third, a single nuclear attack is also not something a superpower would rationally do, as reasoned by Stanislav Petrov: if you're going to attack with nukes, you're going to send [[AlphaStrike your entire arsenal all at once]]. It ''does'' leave the possibility that the Soviets may have tried "limited" underhanded sabotage, but there's more than enough evidence (I think) to at least give pause to SAC and Washington about launching retaliation against possibly the wrong target.
* How would Goldfinger benefit if his plan succeeded? He wants to increase the value of his gold hoard. But Goldfinger isn't a gold dealer, he just acquires gold. He could only benefit if he was planning on selling off his personal hoard, which is something he wouldn't do. If anything, he would want the price of gold to go ''down'' to make it easier to acquire more ofit.it.
** Perhaps his ego was making this calculation?
* How would Goldfinger benefit if his plan succeeded? He wants to increase the value of his gold hoard. But Goldfinger isn't a gold dealer, he just acquires gold. He could only benefit if he was planning on selling off his personal hoard, which is something he wouldn't do. If anything, he would want the price of gold to go ''down'' to make it easier to acquire more of
** Perhaps his ego was making this calculation?
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* Goldfinger's plan involves massacring the entire garrison or a US Army base and then setting off a nuke behind him, meanwhile killing any witnesses who could explain what actually happened. This movie was filmed and released less then two years after the Cuban Missile Crisis, wouldn't the first and most obvious conclusion the US Government would jump to is that it was a Soviet attack? Which would lead to a nuclear war? They don't even mention the possibility that I can recall.
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* Goldfinger's plan involves massacring the entire garrison or a US Army base and then setting off a nuke behind him, meanwhile killing any witnesses who could explain what actually happened. This movie was filmed and released less then two years after the Cuban Missile Crisis, wouldn't the first and most obvious conclusion the US Government would jump to is that it was a Soviet attack? Which would lead to a nuclear war? They don't even mention the possibility that I can recall.recall.
* How would Goldfinger benefit if his plan succeeded? He wants to increase the value of his gold hoard. But Goldfinger isn't a gold dealer, he just acquires gold. He could only benefit if he was planning on selling off his personal hoard, which is something he wouldn't do. If anything, he would want the price of gold to go ''down'' to make it easier to acquire more of it.
* How would Goldfinger benefit if his plan succeeded? He wants to increase the value of his gold hoard. But Goldfinger isn't a gold dealer, he just acquires gold. He could only benefit if he was planning on selling off his personal hoard, which is something he wouldn't do. If anything, he would want the price of gold to go ''down'' to make it easier to acquire more of it.
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** At this stage in the movie, to be fair, he's also got no idea that Goldfinger's a complete nutcase who's happy to murder thousands of people, never mind two women. He figures at most he's probably some kind of sketchy businessman who likes to cheat at cards.
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** Possible FridgeBrilliance: the dialogue between the gangsters clearly indicates that there's no love lost between most of them and tensions between the East and West Coast families, the Chicago outfit, etc. -- and Goldfinger's plan hinges not so much on robbing Fort Knox as sowing the seeds of chaos in the West. Wiping out all the heads of the organised families in one fell swoop leaves these organisations headless and, in all likelihood, blaming each other for the demise of their chiefs. Adding to the economic chaos created by the irradiating of Fort Knox is the potential social and urban chaos of a huge, nation-wide gang war.
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** A bigger concern would be how this supposed officer got so far inside Fort Knox before anyone else, but I suppose this can be written off as those soldiers being high on adrenaline and the rush that battle gives you.
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** A bigger concern would be how this supposed officer got so far inside Fort Knox before anyone else, but I suppose this can be written off as those soldiers being high on adrenaline and the rush that battle gives you.you.
* Goldfinger's plan involves massacring the entire garrison or a US Army base and then setting off a nuke behind him, meanwhile killing any witnesses who could explain what actually happened. This movie was filmed and released less then two years after the Cuban Missile Crisis, wouldn't the first and most obvious conclusion the US Government would jump to is that it was a Soviet attack? Which would lead to a nuclear war? They don't even mention the possibility that I can recall.
* Goldfinger's plan involves massacring the entire garrison or a US Army base and then setting off a nuke behind him, meanwhile killing any witnesses who could explain what actually happened. This movie was filmed and released less then two years after the Cuban Missile Crisis, wouldn't the first and most obvious conclusion the US Government would jump to is that it was a Soviet attack? Which would lead to a nuclear war? They don't even mention the possibility that I can recall.
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**** Which doesn't change the fact that the depository itself -- where the gold actually ''is'' -- is still full of lethally high amounts of radiation.
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** Though it would probably cover the rest of Goldfinger's life. Anyway, it's pointed out the Chinese are helping specifically to mess up the economy, which this would certainly do.
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** The devil's advocate explanation is that Bond- being a god-tier spy- correctly "read" Pussy and suspected that she'd respond to being dominated. With 60,000 lives at stake, and his appeals both by charm and moralism ("He's quite mad, you know.") getting him nowhere, he played the one card he had left that might actually work; forcing a kiss on a woman vs. letting Goldfinger murder a city is a no-brainer at a cost/benefit level. It's also an important distinction that he forced a *kiss* on her; she reciprocated after that. It's speculation to say that Bond would have gone any further than that, especially since if he's wrong about her, then forcing the issue doesn't help him stop Goldfinger, and the movie is pretty consistent from its very first scene about Bond putting the job first, and sex second. That all said, it's still not a scene that's aged super well.
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** RogerEbert drew the same conclusion in [[http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/19990131/REVIEWS08/401010322/1023 his review]].
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** RogerEbert Creator/RogerEbert drew the same conclusion in [[http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/19990131/REVIEWS08/401010322/1023 his review]].
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**** I disagree. The Depository at Fort Knox would likely contain the majority of the radiation, limiting it to just the gold. On the other hand, the Army would have to explain the deaths of thousands of soldiers and others from the deadly gas. Though they could still deny breach of the vault.
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* In the movie (no idea if it happens this way in the novel) when the US Army stop playing dead and start shooting Goldfinger's men, Goldfinger changes into what looks like an Army General's uniform, then runs out and starts giving orders to the American soldiers. ''And this trick actually works.'' They turn their back on him long enough for Goldfinger to grab a machine gun and shoot them all to death. Why were none of these soldiers put off by this strange man dressed as an officer shouting orders at them in a pronounced German accent?
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* In the movie (no idea if it happens this way in the novel) when the US Army stop playing dead and start shooting Goldfinger's men, Goldfinger changes into what looks like an Army General's uniform, then runs out and starts giving orders to the American soldiers. ''And this trick actually works.'' They turn their back on him long enough for Goldfinger to grab a machine gun and shoot them all to death. Why were none of these soldiers put off by this strange man dressed as an officer shouting orders at them in a pronounced German accent?accent?
** A bigger concern would be how this supposed officer got so far inside Fort Knox before anyone else, but I suppose this can be written off as those soldiers being high on adrenaline and the rush that battle gives you.
** A bigger concern would be how this supposed officer got so far inside Fort Knox before anyone else, but I suppose this can be written off as those soldiers being high on adrenaline and the rush that battle gives you.
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** I agree with the headscratcher. They point out that the gold would be irradiated - but even if the "for 58 years" were true, the USA would STILL have the gold, and could still use it even under terms of "when it's no longer radioactive". 58 years really isn't a long time.
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** I agree with the headscratcher. They point out that the gold would be irradiated - but even if the "for 58 years" were true, the USA would STILL have the gold, and could still use it even under terms of "when it's no longer radioactive". 58 years really isn't would be an inconvenience, but not exactly a long time."sudden loss of billions".
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** I agree with the headscratcher. They point out that the gold would be irradiated - but even if the "for 58 years" were true, the USA would STILL have the gold, and could still use it even under terms of "when it's no longer radioactive". 58 years really isn't a long time.
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* Movie Bond rattles off a list of statistics to Goldfinger regarding how moving the gold from Fort Knox would be logistically impossible. This is actually fan criticism of Fleming's original, where that was ''exactly'' what Goldfinger was trying to do.
** In the book, mind, Goldfinger's plan ''was'' pure RefugeInAudacity; it was 50% theft and 50% psychological warfare.
** In the book, mind, Goldfinger's plan ''was'' pure RefugeInAudacity; it was 50% theft and 50% psychological warfare.
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** In the book version, Bond was specifically hired (by the person Goldfinger was cheating) to find evidence that Goldfinger was cheating him at cards.
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** The car isn't ''literally'' made out of gold, just gutted internally and loaded down with it.
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** The car isn't ''literally'' made out of gold, just gutted internally and loaded down with it.
** The gold is in the body panels, but the ''framework'' is still steel. Remember, that's an old model car; it still uses steel-frame construction.
** The gold is in the body panels, but the ''framework'' is still steel. Remember, that's an old model car; it still uses steel-frame construction.
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** It's been a while since I've watched the movie, but was Goldfinger closely watching? They may have stopped, counting on the fact that a person up in a moving airplane probably couldn't really tell fine details such as if a car stopped immediately. And if it was the Flying Circus that was watching, they were working for the good side, so they likely wouldn't report such discrepancies, simply telling Goldfinger and his men that "The baby is asleep."
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** Perhaps it's the classic "If I can't have it, neither can you!"
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*** Exactly! Watching this and being confused about why it doesn't hold to modern sensibilities is like reading 'Le Morte d'Arthur' and wondering why it has such a huge boner for Christianity. There are so many more forces in effect on these works, political, economic and cultural, that have shifted since their creation, that it is easier to view them as artefacts of history than moral stories.
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** But why did the vehicles come nicely to a stop? I mean, they probably wouldn't [[DeadFootLeadfoot suddenly accelerate]], but they would coast and then continue rolling at an idle until they bumped into something (perhaps even a foot soldier who'd fallen down). Guess it's something they felt they needed to do for safety, and hoped the bad guys (and the audience) wouldn't notice.
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*** There is a difference between "consent" and "non-resistence". It seems pretty clear from the scene that Pussy Galore isn't just rolling over and letting Bond have his way with her for fear of being hurt. She stopped resisting because ''she was enjoying it'' and wanted to keep making out with the hunky secret agent. The scene is still sketchy, just not for the reasons you just said.
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*** One can also argue that Bond, since this movie, became a something of a BoringInvincibleHero, or at the very least a ridiculously hyper-competent, untouchable, unflappable super spy who easily triumphed over adversity. ''Goldfinger'' is interesting because, although Bond is still roughly the same character but he's a lot more flawed.
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*** One can also argue that Bond, since this movie, became a something of a BoringInvincibleHero, or at the very least a ridiculously hyper-competent, untouchable, unflappable super spy who easily triumphed over adversity. ''Goldfinger'' is interesting because, although Bond is still roughly the same character but he's a lot more flawed.flawed.
* In the movie (no idea if it happens this way in the novel) when the US Army stop playing dead and start shooting Goldfinger's men, Goldfinger changes into what looks like an Army General's uniform, then runs out and starts giving orders to the American soldiers. ''And this trick actually works.'' They turn their back on him long enough for Goldfinger to grab a machine gun and shoot them all to death. Why were none of these soldiers put off by this strange man dressed as an officer shouting orders at them in a pronounced German accent?
* In the movie (no idea if it happens this way in the novel) when the US Army stop playing dead and start shooting Goldfinger's men, Goldfinger changes into what looks like an Army General's uniform, then runs out and starts giving orders to the American soldiers. ''And this trick actually works.'' They turn their back on him long enough for Goldfinger to grab a machine gun and shoot them all to death. Why were none of these soldiers put off by this strange man dressed as an officer shouting orders at them in a pronounced German accent?
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*** One can also argue that Bond, since this movie, becsme a something of a BoringInvincibleHero, or at the very least a ridiculously hyper-competent, untouchable, unflappable
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** Ultimately, it's ValuesDissonance. The original James Bond novels and films were never among the most politically correct works of fiction to begin with, even by 1960s standards, liberalizing attitudes to homosexuality and gender roles haven't helped any, and ultimately they have to be watched with this in mind. They're products of their time.
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*** It's also chock full of classic scenes, like the laser between the legs, the Aston Martin, the gold paint, and the whole Fort Knox sequence. Goldfinger is also an awesome villain.
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*** One can also argue that Bond, since this movie, becsme a something of a BoringInvincibleHero, or at the very least a ridiculously hyper-competent, untouchable, unflappable
*** One can also argue that Bond, since this movie, becsme a something of a BoringInvincibleHero, or at the very least a ridiculously hyper-competent, untouchable, unflappable
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*** The gold itself may be fine, but the gold's ''surroundings'' -- including the city it's based in -- are now radioactive and toxic for any living thing to enter. Which is is a bit of a problem if you need to get inside to access the gold.
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*** The gold itself may be fine, but the gold's ''surroundings'' -- including the city it's based in -- are now radioactive and toxic for any living thing to enter. Which is is a bit of a problem if if, as mentioned above, you need to get inside to access the gold.
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*** The gold itself may be fine, but the gold's ''surroundings'' -- including the city it's based in -- are now radioactive and toxic for any living thing to enter. Which is is a bit of a problem if you need to get inside to access the gold.
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*** But it ''isn't'' portrayed as morally ambiguous "ends justify the means" or anything. It's portrayed as him being heroic and macho by "turning" the frigid lesbian. The Connery Bond is meant to be cool and someone that all men want to be, and his sexual assault and hitting women is presented as manly "boys will be boys" stuff. That's the reason this aspect of the character was phased out (well, until ''Skyfall'' at least), not due to any attempt to make the hero "whiter than white".
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