History Headscratchers / Goblins

** He has recently used Lay on Hands. Now to figure out how the hell he still has his powers, considering he commits murder. Hopefully Thunt gives some sort of explanation for this, unless torture and murder are not evil acts in his world. Which could be considered to be worse than Minmax sprouting wings, breathing fire, and suddenly speaking Druidic.

** In fact Thunt at one point specificly points out that GS's wooden sword is a natural weapon...

* Why is the Goblin Adventuring Party so goddamned lucky? Characters are touted as high and mighty and then...defeated in solo combat. They keep getting such broken items. All tension is thus lost and the action scenes, which feel long due to the pacing, are all the more painful, as the conclusions are foregone. It feels like Thunt planned out the entire story, realized just how much of the events rely on the laws of dramatic probability and thus stuck in Thaco and Chief's lecture on luck so no one has to worry why the unlikely events of the story are never addressed. To elaborate, my favorite action scenes (besides Kore's first slaughter) are the "[=PCs=]" versus the goblins and the "[=PCs=]" versus Dellyn. Both are good because they involved clever teamwork rather than Mary Sues rolling 20s against the unluckiest and most overhyped racists ever. The former is also good because the good guys are largely the losers in the fight (yes, the [=PCs=] lose 3 out of 5 people, but 2 of them died off comically so I let those pass), and it gave the impression that this could be a work where the tension will always be high and you won't always know the outcome. As I am writing this, [[spoiler:Chief is fighting Kore]], so hopefully I am proven completely wrong. However, I also fear that the threat of Kore will be greatly reduced after this in case the "real" danger is supposed to be the White Terror or someone else.

** Also, given that Thunt has said that the Goblins universe has its own rules, and resurrection spells have never been brought up before, it could be they don't exist in this setting.

** The ''D&D'' universe doesn't make any economical sense anyways, the setting has never considered the real economical effects of magic items on business, or what happens when heroes retire. Maybe Thunt will eventually get around to parodying it.

** As of [[http://www.goblinscomic.org/06242016-2/ this page]] it seems that good and evil are subjectively defined with paladins. Big Ears damaged his axe through an act he personally saw as dishonorable even though no one else would think so, and Kore seems pretty adamant that what he does is good, so this seems to be the case.

** Apparently, every magical items in Goblins world has a magic aura of some sort, expecially when in use, and/or is of remarkable appareance. Kore's crossbows looks quite mundane, so I doubt them to be magical. And probably Kore is not titan strengh level, else he would not need keys to open a door, just a kick.

** Why WOULDN'T they be magical items anyways? Kore is freakishly high level and it's more than likely that he would have magical items. The dards are probably self-regenerating. However, it is still perfectly possible that Kore may be titan-level strong.

** I am suddenly reminded of Sir Zeliek from WorldOfWarcraft who has EXACTLY this as his shtick.

** As a [[Webcomic/OrderOfTheStick certain other fantasy webcomic]] has said, the villain of a strip is a king if he wins, and a legend if he dies. Dellyn feels like his crimes deserve to be immortalized - that he should be a boogeyman to "monsters" for centuries to come. Thaco thinks he deserves to live in obscurity instead. It's about as close as a hero can come to invoking ToThePain.

* Those crossbows can't exists, for so many reasons that it would require a dedicated page. The only possible explaining out of [[AWizardDidIt magical items]] is that Kore is titan-level strong, enough to force down ''sixteen'' crossbows in a casual movement, and that there is a truly amazing engineering behind the recharge gizmo. Given that, metal dards so short, heavy and with no fletching are useful only at very short range, but that would be OK, as Kore uses them like shotguns.

** They seem to be exercising more discretion than most parties: they've killed plant-possessed orcs, the sadistic bigots of Dellyn's 'elite', various bugs, crawlies, living statues, and the like. Their judgement hasn't been perfect, but they're trying hard to stick to their standards. Even Minmax, who was specifically one of the reasons they set to adventure, was shown mercy because he was in too much distress to fight back.

** It's implied that Kore is the most powerful adventurer in their entire world and if the characters are to be believed, he has [[http://www.goblinscomic.org/08282005/ single-handedly wiped out armies of orcs and ogres]]. A party of low level adventurers would be a breeze. Keep in mind that all the GAP manages to do combined is distract him long enough to not get killed and [[http://www.goblinscomic.org/01142011-2/ fuse a rope to his neck]] which is no more than a minor annoyance to Kore. He [[http://www.goblinscomic.org/12032010-2/ one-shots Thaco]] and [[http://www.goblinscomic.org/11302010-4/ hits Big Ears so hard]] that Big Ear's armor shatters. The ONLY damage they do to him is with the rope and he shrugs that off after cutting it out of his throat and healing himself. Meanwhile, Forgath only appears to do as well as he does because of a combination of luck, [[http://www.goblinscomic.org/12172013/ a +4 ring vs missile weapons]], and the [[http://www.goblinscomic.org/01012014/ +7 Axe vs your own race]]. Meanwhile, every blow Kore lands literally [[http://www.goblinscomic.org/01222014/ takes chunks out of Forgath]] while the only achievements Forgath got in were a [[http://www.goblinscomic.org/02122014/ single hit with the axe]], pulling Kore to the ground, [[http://www.goblinscomic.org/01292014/ which he quickly recovers from]], [[http://www.goblinscomic.org/09172014/ drawing blood with his last punch]], and [[http://www.goblinscomic.org/10242014/ pulling Kore's helmet off]]. Kore definitively proved how tough he is through this whole sequence, and it's VERY likely that both the GAP and the adventurers would have lost incredibly.

* Chief's backstory. His father Kills-a-Werebear was the best Chief the clan ever had and made it feared enough to be safe from low-level adventurers. Ever since he died and Chief took over, the clan has been in a steady decline, which is squarely blamed on Chief being a bad chief. However, Chief was a ''newborn'' when his father died; he hadn't even had his naming ceremony yet. Someone must have led the clan between Kills-A-Werbear's death and Chief's coming to age, and the decline must have started during that time. No mention is ever made of that goblin and all blame is put on Chief.

** Besides, so far they've only killed a bunch of undead orks and evil sadistic wretches from the Elite Guard. They went to lenghts to avoid civilian casualties. What else do you need?

** Also, given that Thunt has said that the Goblins universe has it's own rules, and resurrection spells have never been brought up before, it could be they don't exist in this setting.
** Considering Dies Horribly did in fact die, and was resurrected, the magic does clearly exist, but it might be far more inaccessible in this universe. Likely because of the aforementioned lack of very high level clerics. Additionally, Since Saral Caine's body was cut to pieces, Raise Dead would not have worked - Dellyn would've needed a 13th level Cleric to cast Resurrection (the spell) and that is simply not gunna happen.

* About the current story arc with Dies Horribly: why doesn't K'Seliss just cut off his hands? If biting off a finger is a way of casual greeting among his people, surely amputation would be a much more viable alternative than trying to suffer through whatever is happening to his hands?

** As of right now, this argument is moot: Minmax is currently getting dressed (he traded his ability to dress himself?!??)
** Kin dressed him.

* It's been awhile since his debut, and his reasons for the whole screw the maze into oblivion was brought up, so bear with me...But if PMM wants to become one with oblivion so badly, and doesn't care about anyone else or anything else...why doesn't he just write himself out, and leave everyone else alone? He gets out of having to do the maze, and everyone else can go about their whole business...

** Well, considering this is also the guy that evidently DIDN'T account for Reality 156's MinMax valuing Kin and the quest over anything else...fair enough.

[[folder:What is Idle?]]
* Yeah, (s?)he is cursed all over, so it may be a moot point, but still. Is that supposed to be a goblin or an elf?
** We're calling her a goblin on the character page for now, although that raises some questions (like why she's an ''adventurer''). Maybe one of the curses on her [[BalefulPolymorph turned her into a goblin]]? We can always change it when Thunt addresses the issue (which he undoubtedly will).
** Actually, judging from our first definite look at an elf from the most recent comic, she could quite likely be an elf. The face paint and the bunny ears are making it hard to judge. Second opinion?
** Offically asked by Forgath and answered by Idle. She's officially an elf. She found a cursed "Wheel Of Fortune" in the Curse-Walk dungeon and spun it twice. The first time, she got "goblin" which explains the strange ears, and the second time, she got "rabbit" explaining the rabbit features. She was hoping to get something cool, like "Angel" for the wings and powers.
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* [[HonorBeforeReason WHY DIDN'T THACO KILL DELLYN WHEN HE HAD THE CHANCE?!?!]] [[LawfulStupid WHYYYYYYYYYYY?!?!]]

** Did you ''read the blasted comic!?'' "I didn't kill Dellyn. I destroyed him." Dellyn saw Thaco as a rival, and would go down in history as the slayer of Thaco the Goblin. Now, he has to live with the fact that he was taken down by a 2nd-level Goblin ''Monk''. Or not, since Kin killed him.

[[The Goblin Clan's Decline]]

** Going back to the original point. A ''far'' simpler solution is just that Kore's strength score '''really is''' titan level strong. This is DnD, player characters can have herculean strength scores of 20+ (which is as strong as hill giants, who can lift and throw half-ton stones).

** The DnD universe doesn't make any economical sense anyways, the setting has never considered the real economical effects of magic items on business, or what happens when heroes retire. Maybe Thunt will eventually get around to parodying it.

*** As was already mentioned, Kin at one point had a magic crossbow that looked equally mundane. The argument that they can't be magic because they look mundane is null and void.

*** Consider that Dellyn only WANTS to be regarded as a hero rather than actually being one. He probably spread the stories about Goblins being dangerous to the populace to prop himself up as being better than he actually was so he could live it up in Brassmoon. Making him sort of SmallNameBigEgo and Big Fish In a Small Pond combination.

*** Consider that Dellyn only WANTS to be regarded as a hero rather than actually being one. He probably spread the stories about Goblins being dangerous to the populace to prop himself up as being better than he actually was so he could live it up in Brassmoon. Making him sort of SmallNameBigEgo and BigFishInASmallPond combination.

** It's implied that Kore is the most powerful adventurer in their entire world and if the characters are to be believed, he has single-handedly wiped out armies of Orcs and Ogres(1). A party of low level adventurers would be a breeze. Keep in mind that all the GAP manages to do combined is distract him long enough to not get killed and fuse a rope to his neck which is no more than a minor annoyance to Kore(2). He one-shots Thaco(3) and hits Big Ears so hard that Big Ear's armor shatters(4). The ONLY damage they do to him is with the rope and he shrugs that off after cutting it out of his throat and healing himself. Meanwhile, Forgath only appears to do as well as he does because of a combination of luck, a +4 ring vs missile weapons(5), and the +7 Axe vs your own race(6). Meanwhile, every blow Kore lands literally takes chunks out of Forgath(7) while the only achievements Forgath got in were a single hit with the axe(8), pulling Kore to the ground, which he quickly recovers from(9), drawing blood with his last punch(10), and pulling Kore's helmet off(11). Kore definitively proved how tough he is through this whole sequence, and it's VERY likely that both the GAP and the Adventurers would have lost incredibly. 1(http://www.goblinscomic.org/08282005/) 2(http://www.goblinscomic.org/01142011-2/) 3(http://www.goblinscomic.org/12032010-2/) 4(http://www.goblinscomic.org/11302010-4/) 5(http://www.goblinscomic.org/12172013/) 6(http://www.goblinscomic.org/01012014/) 7(http://www.goblinscomic.org/01222014/) 8(http://www.goblinscomic.org/02122014/) 9(http://www.goblinscomic.org/01292014/) 10(http://www.goblinscomic.org/09172014/) 11(http://www.goblinscomic.org/10242014/)