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**** Actually, you go back to wear the corpse lies. Jowd's body was moved from the location of death to the table in the next room. You appear in the past at the table. Same thing goes for every other death, expect the two involved with a trick within a trick. I'm inclined to believe that the change in location has something to do with the double trick. Though the cop could be explained that his body was touching the van so it acted as a frame of reference, if he landed in the restaurant it may have started there. This doesn't explain the other one though. Maybe because of the nature of the body constantly be returned to the point just before death and the body was technically in the part at the time of death, maybe the park was still somehow a frame of reference. It could also be that these two deaths had crossed particularly long distances since the 4 minutes before death moment. Maybe its a feature of the powers of the dead that you are close enough to the living body to see the person involved. For example, another common point is you generally find that the dead person has more or less been in the area they die in for the entire duration of the 4 minutes, with the only real oddballs being the cop and Yomiel. In fact, now that I mention it... there are actually a lot of unique things about those two case that stand out. The were both encountered within a trick, their corpses were both really far away from the location they were at four minutes prior to death, and their deaths were the direct causes of deaths that you were trying to prevent in the context of the first trick in the double tricks. Maybe all these oddities add up somehow...
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* [[spoiler: In new timeline at the end of the game, Yomiel has been in prison for TEN YEARS...]] But for what, exactly? He was proven innocent of the conspiracy in which he was implicated, and even though he [[spoiler: broke out of prison and took a hostage, he then saved her life immediately after.]] Why on earth would this result in such a punishment? And couldn't Jowd have stopped it?
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* [[spoiler: In new timeline at the end of the game, Yomiel has been in prison for TEN YEARS...]] But for what, exactly? He was proven innocent of the conspiracy in which he was implicated, and even though he [[spoiler: broke out of prison and took a hostage, he then saved her life immediately after.]] Why on earth would this result in such a punishment? And couldn't Jowd have stopped it?it?
** Escaping interrogation would have shat all over his case for [[spoiler:not being a spy]], so it's possible that he was never able to clear his name [[spoiler:in the new timeline, even though he had been cleared in the game's timeline]]. Even if he ''was'' found not-guilty of that, he still would have been charged with theft ([[spoiler:of a ''weapon'']]), hostage-taking ([[spoiler:of a ''child'']]), threatening a police officer, resisting arrest... [[spoiler:saving Lynne]] doesn't change that. All of it could easily add up to 10 years, especially given that he would have been tried in an ''AceAttorney'' KangarooCourt.
** Escaping interrogation would have shat all over his case for [[spoiler:not being a spy]], so it's possible that he was never able to clear his name [[spoiler:in the new timeline, even though he had been cleared in the game's timeline]]. Even if he ''was'' found not-guilty of that, he still would have been charged with theft ([[spoiler:of a ''weapon'']]), hostage-taking ([[spoiler:of a ''child'']]), threatening a police officer, resisting arrest... [[spoiler:saving Lynne]] doesn't change that. All of it could easily add up to 10 years, especially given that he would have been tried in an ''AceAttorney'' KangarooCourt.
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** They managed it because Jowd is ''just that awesome''.
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* So only [[spoiler: Jowd, Missile, Yomiel, and Sissel]] will remember [[spoiler: the old timeline]] at the end of the game. But Missile was only two years old when Sissel met him. Does this mean [[spoiler: he's actually going to be born with the memories of the old timeline]]? Because that would be weird even for a dog.
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* So only [[spoiler: Jowd, Missile, Yomiel, and Sissel]] will remember [[spoiler: the old timeline]] at the end of the game. But Missile was only two years old when Sissel met him. Does this mean [[spoiler: he's actually going to be born with the memories of the old timeline]]? Because that would be weird even for a dog.dog.
* [[spoiler: In new timeline at the end of the game, Yomiel has been in prison for TEN YEARS...]] But for what, exactly? He was proven innocent of the conspiracy in which he was implicated, and even though he [[spoiler: broke out of prison and took a hostage, he then saved her life immediately after.]] Why on earth would this result in such a punishment? And couldn't Jowd have stopped it?
* [[spoiler: In new timeline at the end of the game, Yomiel has been in prison for TEN YEARS...]] But for what, exactly? He was proven innocent of the conspiracy in which he was implicated, and even though he [[spoiler: broke out of prison and took a hostage, he then saved her life immediately after.]] Why on earth would this result in such a punishment? And couldn't Jowd have stopped it?
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*** Note how when Cabanela is hit, he doubles over backwards in a ridiculous way so that his head and the helmet end up sort of under his body. The exact object that hit him is therefore obscured from Yomiel's point of view.
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*** I'm assuming he went straight for the phone and left. Even if the "present version" of the death had him look down (Did it? Haven't gone through that sequence for a while), the slight fate changes might tweak his movements a little.
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*** I'm assuming he went straight for the phone and left. Even if the "present version" of the death had him look down (Did it? Haven't gone through that sequence for a while), the slight fate changes might tweak his movements a little.little.
* So only [[spoiler: Jowd, Missile, Yomiel, and Sissel]] will remember [[spoiler: the old timeline]] at the end of the game. But Missile was only two years old when Sissel met him. Does this mean [[spoiler: he's actually going to be born with the memories of the old timeline]]? Because that would be weird even for a dog.
* So only [[spoiler: Jowd, Missile, Yomiel, and Sissel]] will remember [[spoiler: the old timeline]] at the end of the game. But Missile was only two years old when Sissel met him. Does this mean [[spoiler: he's actually going to be born with the memories of the old timeline]]? Because that would be weird even for a dog.
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**** For what it's worth, a knit cap isn't only big and thin, but it's also flexible and has a lot of give. The split second of velocity the hat lost while it inverted itself on Cabalena's nose was probably enough to keep it from being fatal (and to be fair, it DOES knock him out, which is no mean feat for a knit cap). Compare it to the hard hat, which DOES kill him, despite being the same size and thickness. As for the potato...I got nuthin'.
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** For that matter, how the hell did [[spoiler: Yomiel not notice that Cabanela got smacked in the face with a ''hat'' instead of, you know, ''shot''?]]
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** For that matter, how the hell did [[spoiler: Yomiel not notice that Cabanela got smacked in the face with a ''hat'' instead of, you know, ''shot''?]]''shot''?]]
***I'm assuming he went straight for the phone and left. Even if the "present version" of the death had him look down (Did it? Haven't gone through that sequence for a while), the slight fate changes might tweak his movements a little.
***I'm assuming he went straight for the phone and left. Even if the "present version" of the death had him look down (Did it? Haven't gone through that sequence for a while), the slight fate changes might tweak his movements a little.
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*** Okay, then how about [[spoiler:Yomial]] just gets up and acts like it was a medical mistake. Don't a decent number of people get accidentally buried alive each year? It's not a solid story, but it'd be enough to not totally f**k up his life. Probably get the medical inspector sent to a looney bin though.
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*** Okay, then how about [[spoiler:Yomial]] [[spoiler:Yomiel]] just gets up and acts like it was a medical mistake. Don't a decent number of people get accidentally buried alive each year? It's not a solid story, but it'd be enough to not totally f**k up his life. Probably get the medical inspector sent to a looney bin though.
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**** But it's possible that [[spoiler: the gunshot didn't immediately kill Lynne. She could've been just barely still alive during the fall]]. In most cases, the corpses wasn't really moved around after death, so maybe Ray got it wrong or simply could've picked a better phrasing.
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** Well, yeah, but then what criteria does an object have to meet to become an object? If you took it further, either A) the only objects you'd be able to possess would be celestial bodies, or B) every atom on Earth should be able to be possessed. I know it's [[GameplayAndStorySegregation for gameplay]], but...
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** During one of the game's "could he be a villain?" sequences, someone accuses him of trying to silence everyone who knows about that. [[spoiler:The other witness to this, Jowd, was eventually locked up, after all.]]
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* So much is made about Cabanela having a "spotless" record but [[spoiler: you find out that one of the first things he did as a detective was screw up an interrogation and leave his friggin' gun in the room with a suspected spy/traitor.]] The game makes a big deal out of the perfect record being necessary for him to climb the ladder of the police force so how does he get a pass on that?
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***Two human who have [[FridgeHorror NO FUTURE]]
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** Having just played the game again, [[spoiler: it is explicitly said by Lynne that she and Jowd tracked Yomiel to his boat and then stowed away on it, so, yeah.]]
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*** It doesn't matter how big and thin it is if it strikes you at the pistol muzzle velocity of 800 ft/s (almost 550 mph). A better idea would be if the swapping ability conserves momentum, such that replacing the bullet with an object of greater mass has an inversely proportional effect on its velocity.
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*** It doesn't matter how big and thin it is if it strikes you at the pistol muzzle velocity of 800 ft/s (almost 550 mph). A better idea would be if the swapping ability conserves momentum, such that replacing the bullet with an object of greater mass has an inversely proportional effect on its velocity.velocity.
**For that matter, how the hell did [[spoiler: Yomiel not notice that Cabanela got smacked in the face with a ''hat'' instead of, you know, ''shot''?]]
**For that matter, how the hell did [[spoiler: Yomiel not notice that Cabanela got smacked in the face with a ''hat'' instead of, you know, ''shot''?]]
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** Sith has a conversation with his servant about Jeego's eyesight if you press the speech bubble during the Sith's introduction scene. He mentions that Jeego's vision is degrading a bit every year, and he is considering about sending Jeego coal in his next pay envelope (his servant suggests him to send him glasses). Also, Tengo eats donuts once in a while before you avert Missile's fate. He also talks to himself about how Jeego is "losing his touch". So the two hitmen might actually be human.
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*** [[spoiler: Actually, it's only been five years at most.]]
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** The core of an object tends to be in it's centre. Good luck tricking 2 miles deep.
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*** Okay, then how about [[spoiler:Yomial]] just gets up and acts like it was a medical mistake. Don't a decent number of people get accidentally buried alive each year? It's not a solid story, but it'd be enough to not totally f**k up his life. Probably get the medical inspector sent to a looney bin though.
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**** That also doesn't work. Again, [[spoiler: Ray comes out and says that wherever the CORPSE is when Sissel goes back is where he goes to. See Lynne: She died up on top, but she fell down to the ground. Which is why Sissel started down there. It doesn't matter where the person died at, what matters is where the corpse is in present time.]]
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**** No, no, it does work. You see,[[spoiler:Yomiel originally died in the park. His body since then has been nothing but a shell. Even then in the submarine, he didn't die there, his spirit simply wasn't in the body, and the fragment removed, stopping it's endless regeneration cycle. Going back ten years proves this, because Yomiel was frozen between life and death, but four minutes before he acually died placed him in the park. This action shows that his death was considered to be when he was hit with the fragment, not when it was removed from him.]]
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**** That doesn't work. Ray specifically says at the beginning that [[spoiler: Wherever the corpse is will be where he starts at, because the corpse was the gateway into the past.]] That logic does work with van dude because [[spoiler: he died IN the van, and his corpse was still lodged in the van.]]
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** The [[spoiler: knit cap's]] probably big enough and thin enough to not do that much harm. The [[spoiler:sweet potato]] was somewhat addressed though, since it [[spoiler:flung Yomiel back into the lamppost.]]
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** The [[spoiler: knit cap's]] probably big enough and thin enough to not do that much harm. The [[spoiler:sweet potato]] was somewhat addressed though, since it [[spoiler:flung Yomiel back into the lamppost.]]]]
*** It doesn't matter how big and thin it is if it strikes you at the pistol muzzle velocity of 800 ft/s (almost 550 mph). A better idea would be if the swapping ability conserves momentum, such that replacing the bullet with an object of greater mass has an inversely proportional effect on its velocity.
*** It doesn't matter how big and thin it is if it strikes you at the pistol muzzle velocity of 800 ft/s (almost 550 mph). A better idea would be if the swapping ability conserves momentum, such that replacing the bullet with an object of greater mass has an inversely proportional effect on its velocity.
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** The [[spoiler: knit cap's]] probably bigbig enough and thin enough to not do that much harm. The [[spoiler:sweet potato]] was somewhat addressed though, since it [[spoiler:flung Yomiel back into the lamppost.]]
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* Wouldn't a [[spoiler: knit cap]] and definately a [[spoiler: sweet potato]] be just as deadly as a bullet if moving at bullet speed?
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**** That's because [[spoiler:Yomiel died at the park.]] Even though [[spoiler:his corpse was moving around,]] that doesn't change the location of his death.
* Wouldn't a [[spoiler: knit cap]] and definately a [[spoiler: sweet potato]] be just as deadly as a bullet if moving at bulletspeed?speed?
** The [[spoiler: knit cap's]] probably big
* Wouldn't a [[spoiler: knit cap]] and definately a [[spoiler: sweet potato]] be just as deadly as a bullet if moving at bullet
** The [[spoiler: knit cap's]] probably big
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**** The van driver is justified in that he died with his body hanging out of the van. Rewinding time moves the van, thus taking you to that area. The other thing doesn't make sense to me, what with [[spoiler: Yomiel's body being IN THE MIDDLE OF THE OCEAN IN A SUB.]] Slightly different than body stuck in windshield.
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