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** Well, Walter says that the fungus is a primitive life form and won't be able to sense you unless you touch it. That doesn't entirely excuse it, but my guess is the producers decided to value the audience seeing the characters outside their suits over the internal logic. Also, the tech guy who's killed at the colony is physically attacked rather than spored, so maybe a suit wouldn't do any good?

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** Well, Walter says that the fungus is a primitive life form and won't be able to sense you unless you touch it. That doesn't entirely excuse it, but my guess is the producers decided to value the audience seeing the characters outside their suits over the internal logic. Also, the tech guy who's killed at the colony is physically attacked rather than spored, so maybe a suit wouldn't do any good?
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** Well, Walter says that the fungus is a primitive life form and won't be able to sense you unless you touch it. That doesn't entirely excuse it, but my guess is the producers decided to value the audience seeing the characters outside their suits over the internal logic. Also, the tech guy who's killed at the colony is physically attacked rather than spored, so maybe a suit wouldn't do any good?
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*** I'm not sure I understand your objection. You're talking about "Everything in Its Right Place"? He goes to the bridge for official diplomatic reasons, so he presumably went through security and everything (from the premiere and when Walter crosses over it seems they have people check in before entering the bridge, then when on the bridge they're considered outside their own universe). Then he goes off-task, which is pretty consistent with the Earth-1 agents doing pretty much whatever they want throughout the series. In the premiere he's show going through security, and in "Back to Where You've Never Been" he and Peter sneak in without telling anyone other than Olivia.

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*** I'm not sure I understand your objection. You're talking about "Everything in Its Right Place"? He goes to the bridge for official diplomatic reasons, so he presumably went through security and everything (from the premiere and when Walter crosses over in "The Consultant" it seems they have people check in before entering the bridge, then when on the bridge they're considered outside their own universe). Then he goes off-task, which is pretty consistent with the Earth-1 agents doing pretty much whatever they want throughout the series. In the premiere he's show going through security, and in "Back to Where You've Never Been" he and Peter sneak in without telling anyone other than Olivia.
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*** I'm not sure I understand your objection. You're talking about "Everything in Its Right Place"? He goes to the bridge for official diplomatic reasons, so he presumably went through security and everything (from the premiere and when Walter crosses over it seems they have people check in before entering the bridge, then when on the bridge they're considered outside their own universe). Then he goes off-task, which is pretty consistent with the Earth-1 agents doing pretty much whatever they want throughout the series. In the premiere he's show going through security, and in "Back to Where You've Never Been" he and Peter sneak in without telling anyone other than Olivia.
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** This is a common problem in AlternateUniverse fiction. Keeping in mind that in Fringe, the universes are implied to have always been separated, the gradual differences should have piled to to completely divergent universes, whereas this clearly is not the case in the show. My own personal {{handwave}} is that the two universes, being linked on some level, have some kind of "course correction" mechanism that prevents them from turning too divergent from one another.

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** It ''could'' be a mother-to-baby transmittable disease (like AIDS) and the genetic factor comes in with the immune system's reaction to it. Granted it is a strech. Would make sense if a previous epidemic (and we know that the AlternateUniverse is painfully prone to those) made carriers out of those it did not kill.

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** It ''could'' be a mother-to-baby transmittable disease (like AIDS) and the genetic factor comes in with the immune system's reaction to it. Granted it is a strech. stretch. Would make sense if a previous epidemic (and we know that the AlternateUniverse is painfully prone to those) made carriers out of those it did not kill.kill.
** Okay cool... but a virus that only starts replicating if you're pregnant?
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** In the original timeline Walternate was going to let Olivia go, but then alt-Brandon got the idea to cut out her brain to study its Cortexiphaned properties, and alt-Broyles died helping her escape. In the altered timeline Olivia's powers had never manifested, and the whole point of the replacement was presumably just Fauxlivia's mission. So Walternate had no reason not to just let her go. Hence, no dead alt-Broyles.

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** In the original timeline Walternate was going to let Olivia go, but then alt-Brandon got the idea to cut out her brain to study its Cortexiphaned properties, and properties. So alt-Broyles died had to die helping her escape. In the altered timeline Olivia's powers had never manifested, and the whole point of the replacement was presumably just Fauxlivia's mission. So Walternate had no reason not to just let her go. Hence, no dead alt-Broyles.
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** In the original timeline Walternate was going to let Olivia go, but then alt-Brandon got the idea to cut out her brain to study its Cortexiphaned properties, and alt-Broyles died helping her escape. In the altered timeline, Olivia's powers had never manifested, and the whole point of the replacement was apparently just Fauxlivia's mission, so Walternate had no reason not to just let her go.

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** In the original timeline Walternate was going to let Olivia go, but then alt-Brandon got the idea to cut out her brain to study its Cortexiphaned properties, and alt-Broyles died helping her escape. In the altered timeline, timeline Olivia's powers had never manifested, and the whole point of the replacement was apparently presumably just Fauxlivia's mission, so mission. So Walternate had no reason not to just let her go.go. Hence, no dead alt-Broyles.
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** In the original timeline Walternate was going to let Olivia go, but then alt-Brandon got the idea to cut out her brain to study its Cortexiphaned properties, and alt-Broyles died helping her escape. In the altered timeline, Olivia's powers had never manifested (the whole point of the replacement was apparently just Fauxlivia's mission), so Walternate had no reason not to just let her go.

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** In the original timeline Walternate was going to let Olivia go, but then alt-Brandon got the idea to cut out her brain to study its Cortexiphaned properties, and alt-Broyles died helping her escape. In the altered timeline, Olivia's powers had never manifested (the manifested, and the whole point of the replacement was apparently just Fauxlivia's mission), mission, so Walternate had no reason not to just let her go.
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** In the original timeline Walternate was going to let Olivia go, but then alt-Brandon got the idea to cut out her brain to study its Cortexiphaned properties, and alt-Broyles died helping her escape. In the altered timeline, Olivia's powers had never manifested (the whole point of the replacement was apparently just Fauxlivia's mission), so Walternate had no reason not to just let her go.
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** Some of them are female and future humans of both sexes look alike? Women aren't allowed to time travel? I would really like to see this addressed.
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** I guess that the hope and consent of the mother is irrelevant to the success of an accelerated pregnancy? Walternate's plan seemed to pose a significant risk to Fauxlivia. He's afraid of her saying no (however remote this chance is), then having to abduct her with her knowing that he's behind it (though she seemed to have started to figure it out anyways). He's a control freak, and his first/only priority is getting the baby so he can turn on the machine and save his universe. Honoring Fauxlivia's rights and her feeling towards him are secondary and insignificant. Posing her with the choice, then abducting her if need be is the better option, really, but you've gotta account for megalomaniacs not always acting rationally.

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** I guess that the hope and consent of the mother is irrelevant to the success of an accelerated pregnancy? Walternate's plan seemed to pose a significant risk to Fauxlivia. He's afraid of her saying no (however remote this chance is), then having to abduct her with her knowing that he's behind it (though she seemed to have started to figure it out anyways). He's a control freak, and his first/only priority is getting the baby so he can turn on the machine and save his universe. Honoring Fauxlivia's rights and her feeling towards him are secondary and insignificant. Posing her with the choice, then abducting her if need be is the better option, really, but you've gotta account for megalomaniacs not always acting rationally. The other thing to remember is he just had Peter betray him and return to the evil universe, so trusting others isn't going to be high on his to-do list.
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* Why do Walternate and Brandon have Fauxlivia abducted to have her baby, instead of just saying, "We have this promising new experimental treatment for VPE that's not available to the public (yet?). So there's a good chance both you and your baby will live, isn't that great?" I get that they had to take Henry for more testing and treatments for the super secret DNA stuff they did to make Henry able to trigger the machine like Peter, but they could just take him away and do whatever blood testing and DNA monkeying they need with the built-in story that Henry needed more tests and monitoring because of their new experimental treatment? Won't you get better results from a hopeful and consenting mother than one who's terrified and being held against her will?!

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* Why do Walternate and Brandon have Fauxlivia abducted to have her baby, instead of just saying, "We have this promising new experimental treatment for VPE that's not available to the public (yet?). So there's a good chance both you and your baby will live, isn't that great?" I get that they had to take Henry for more testing and treatments for the super secret DNA stuff they did to make Henry able to trigger the machine like Peter, but they could just take him away and do whatever blood testing and DNA monkeying they need with the built-in story that Henry needed more tests and monitoring because of their new experimental treatment? Won't you get better results from a hopeful and consenting mother than one who's terrified and being held against her will?!will?!
** I guess that the hope and consent of the mother is irrelevant to the success of an accelerated pregnancy? Walternate's plan seemed to pose a significant risk to Fauxlivia. He's afraid of her saying no (however remote this chance is), then having to abduct her with her knowing that he's behind it (though she seemed to have started to figure it out anyways). He's a control freak, and his first/only priority is getting the baby so he can turn on the machine and save his universe. Honoring Fauxlivia's rights and her feeling towards him are secondary and insignificant. Posing her with the choice, then abducting her if need be is the better option, really, but you've gotta account for megalomaniacs not always acting rationally.
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** Cortexiphan kid James Heath could transfer his cancer with his touch ("Olivia In The Lab With The Revolver") and after some training could cure or lessen it in other people ("Over There Part 1"). It might make the new cells that regenerate not-cancerous, or stop cancer cells from spreading- not curing but halting the progress of the disease?

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** Cortexiphan kid James Heath could transfer his cancer with his touch ("Olivia In The Lab With The Revolver") and after some training could cure or lessen it in other people ("Over There Part 1"). It might make the new cells that regenerate not-cancerous, or stop cancer cells from spreading- not curing but halting the progress of the disease?disease?
* Why do Walternate and Brandon have Fauxlivia abducted to have her baby, instead of just saying, "We have this promising new experimental treatment for VPE that's not available to the public (yet?). So there's a good chance both you and your baby will live, isn't that great?" I get that they had to take Henry for more testing and treatments for the super secret DNA stuff they did to make Henry able to trigger the machine like Peter, but they could just take him away and do whatever blood testing and DNA monkeying they need with the built-in story that Henry needed more tests and monitoring because of their new experimental treatment? Won't you get better results from a hopeful and consenting mother than one who's terrified and being held against her will?!
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* In the first episode, Nina Sharp has a [[{{HollywoodCyborg}} cybernetic arm]] that moves completely naturalistically and (as long as she wears the psuedo-skin covering) ''looks'' same. Why in the infernal blazing hells is this ''not'' a premiere product line for Massive Dynamics (which is isn't, based on Dunham's reaction)? If I were running a company that had that tech, I'd be trumpeting it to the skies. As a transhumanist, [[{{@/GamerFromJump}} this troper]] considers withholding something like that to be pretty much directly evil. Not to mention completely nonsensical for a ''business''.

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* In the first episode, Nina Sharp has a [[{{HollywoodCyborg}} cybernetic arm]] that moves completely naturalistically and (as long as she wears the psuedo-skin covering) ''looks'' same. Why in the infernal blazing hells is this ''not'' a premiere product line for Massive Dynamics (which is isn't, based on Dunham's reaction)? If I were running a company that had that tech, I'd be trumpeting it to the skies. As a transhumanist, [[{{@/GamerFromJump}} this troper]] considers withholding something like that to be pretty much directly evil. Not to mention completely nonsensical for a ''business''.
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* In the first episode, Nina Sharp has a [[{{HollywoodCyborg}} cybernetic arm]] that moves completely naturalistically and (as long as she wears the psuedo-skin covering) ''looks'' same. Why in the infernal blazing hells is this ''not'' a premiere product line for Massive Dynamics (which is isn't, based on Dunham's reaction)? If I were running a company that had that tech, I'd be trumpeting it to the skies. As a transhumanist, withholding something like that is pretty much directly evil, as far as [[{{@/GamerFromJump}} this troper]] is concerned. Not to mention completely nonsensical for a ''business''.

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* In the first episode, Nina Sharp has a [[{{HollywoodCyborg}} cybernetic arm]] that moves completely naturalistically and (as long as she wears the psuedo-skin covering) ''looks'' same. Why in the infernal blazing hells is this ''not'' a premiere product line for Massive Dynamics (which is isn't, based on Dunham's reaction)? If I were running a company that had that tech, I'd be trumpeting it to the skies. As a transhumanist, withholding something like that is pretty much directly evil, as far as [[{{@/GamerFromJump}} this troper]] is concerned. considers withholding something like that to be pretty much directly evil. Not to mention completely nonsensical for a ''business''.
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** It's presented as an important technological breakthrough in "Peter". Characters regularly express how strange the alternate universe is. In the fourth season Lincoln talks about how weirded out he is by all the universes and timelines. People just become numb to after a certain point.

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** It's presented as an important technological breakthrough in "Peter". Characters regularly express how strange the alternate universe is. In the fourth season Lincoln talks about how weirded out he is by all the universes and timelines. People just become numb to it after a certain point.
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** It's presented as an important technological breakthrough in "Peter". Characters regularly express how weird the alternate universe is. In the fourth season Lincoln talks about how weirded out he is by all the universes and timelines. People just become numb to after a certain point.

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** It's presented as an important technological breakthrough in "Peter". Characters regularly express how weird strange the alternate universe is. In the fourth season Lincoln talks about how weirded out he is by all the universes and timelines. People just become numb to after a certain point.
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** It's presented as an important technological breakthrough in "Peter". Characters regularly express how weird the alternate universe is. In the fourth season Lincoln talks about how weirded out he is by all the universes and timelines. People just become numb to after a certain point.
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** It's possible he used another method to kill the cancerous cells, then used Cortexiphan to heal himself from that damage?

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** It's possible he used another method to kill the cancerous cells, then used Cortexiphan to heal himself from that damage?damage?
** Cortexiphan kid James Heath could transfer his cancer with his touch ("Olivia In The Lab With The Revolver") and after some training could cure or lessen it in other people ("Over There Part 1"). It might make the new cells that regenerate not-cancerous, or stop cancer cells from spreading- not curing but halting the progress of the disease?
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** Yes. In the show's defense, the Lincolns kind of call to attention this oddness in "Everything in Its Right Place". Really the only way around this would be to make the point of divergence like 1980 (after all the main characters have been born), and have an Earth-2 that's not as technologically advanced, or else not have doppelgangers.
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* How the hell does cortexiphan, which causes cell ''regeneration'', supposed to help with ''cancer''?

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* How the hell does cortexiphan, which causes cell ''regeneration'', supposed to help with ''cancer''?''cancer''?
** It's possible he used another method to kill the cancerous cells, then used Cortexiphan to heal himself from that damage?
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* The alternate universe is awfully conveniently populated. I mean, there's a double of everyone running around, unless they got killed off for the plot (William Bell). Isn't it a bit strange that all the same people still got together and had the same kids as their alternate universe counterparts, who then have pretty much the same job etc. etc?

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* The alternate universe is awfully conveniently populated. I mean, there's a double of everyone running around, unless they got killed off for the plot (William Bell). Isn't it a bit strange that all the same people still got together and had the same kids as their alternate universe counterparts, who then have pretty much the same job etc. etc?etc?
* How the hell does cortexiphan, which causes cell ''regeneration'', supposed to help with ''cancer''?
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** It seems that early stages of the catastrophic event are taking place when Olivia crosses over. She sees buildings burning, and Alt-Charlie say something about Boston being on quarantine lockdown. So the Earth-2 characters are transferred to New York after this, as having a fully functioning division in an abandoned city doesn't make sense. The other issues are continuity that we're just going to have to deal with.

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** It seems that early stages of the catastrophic event are taking place when Olivia crosses over. She sees buildings burning, and Alt-Charlie say something about Boston being on quarantine lockdown. So the Earth-2 characters are transferred to New York after this, as having a fully functioning division in an abandoned city doesn't make sense. The other issues are continuity that we're just going to have to deal with.with.
* The alternate universe is awfully conveniently populated. I mean, there's a double of everyone running around, unless they got killed off for the plot (William Bell). Isn't it a bit strange that all the same people still got together and had the same kids as their alternate universe counterparts, who then have pretty much the same job etc. etc?
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**** I believe the discrepancy comes fromm the fact that Belly didn't want to inform the others that he was planning on committing suicide, so his description of the plan changes over the course of the episode. Walter comes out and says during the last exchange that Olivia doesn't have enough power to get them back. In any case, Walter and Belly are speaking in vague, layman terms about their plan, so the specifics are hard to gather. It's pretty absurd science anyways.

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**** I believe the discrepancy comes fromm from the fact that Belly didn't want to inform the others that he was planning on committing suicide, so his description of the plan changes over the course of the episode. Walter comes out and says during the last exchange that Olivia doesn't have enough power to get them back. In any case, Walter and Belly are speaking in vague, layman terms about their plan, so the specifics are hard to gather. It's pretty absurd science anyways.
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**** I believe the discrepancy comes form the fact that Belly didn't want to inform the others that he was planning on committing suicide, so his description of the plan changes over the course of the episode. Walter comes out and says during the last exchange that Olivia doesn't have enough power to get them back. In any case, Walter and Belly are speaking in vague, layman terms about their plan, so the specifics are hard to gather. It's pretty absurd science anyways.

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**** I believe the discrepancy comes form fromm the fact that Belly didn't want to inform the others that he was planning on committing suicide, so his description of the plan changes over the course of the episode. Walter comes out and says during the last exchange that Olivia doesn't have enough power to get them back. In any case, Walter and Belly are speaking in vague, layman terms about their plan, so the specifics are hard to gather. It's pretty absurd science anyways.
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**** I believe the discrepancy comes form the fact that Belly didn't want to inform the others that he was planning on committing suicide, so his description of the plan changes over the course of the episode. Walter comes out and says during the last exchange that Olivia doesn't have enough power to get them back. In any case, Walter and Belly are speaking in vague, layman terms about their plan, so the specifics of the plan are hard to gather. It's pretty absurd science anyways.

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**** I believe the discrepancy comes form the fact that Belly didn't want to inform the others that he was planning on committing suicide, so his description of the plan changes over the course of the episode. Walter comes out and says during the last exchange that Olivia doesn't have enough power to get them back. In any case, Walter and Belly are speaking in vague, layman terms about their plan, so the specifics of the plan are hard to gather. It's pretty absurd science anyways.
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**** I believe the discrepancy comes form the fact that Belly didn't want to inform the others that he was planning on committing suicide, so his description of the plan changes over the course of the episode. Walter comes out and says during the last exchange that Olivia doesn't have enough power to get them back. In any case, Walter and Belly are speaking in vague, layman terms about their plan, and it's pretty absurd science anyways.

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**** I believe the discrepancy comes form the fact that Belly didn't want to inform the others that he was planning on committing suicide, so his description of the plan changes over the course of the episode. Walter comes out and says during the last exchange that Olivia doesn't have enough power to get them back. In any case, Walter and Belly are speaking in vague, layman terms about their plan, and it's so the specifics of the plan are hard to gather. It's pretty absurd science anyways.
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**** I believe the discrepancy comes form the fact that Belly didn't want to inform the others that he was planning on committing suicide, so his description of the plan changes over the course of the episode. Walter comes out and says during the last exchange that Olivia doesn't have enough power to get them back.

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**** I believe the discrepancy comes form the fact that Belly didn't want to inform the others that he was planning on committing suicide, so his description of the plan changes over the course of the episode. Walter comes out and says during the last exchange that Olivia doesn't have enough power to get them back. In any case, Walter and Belly are speaking in vague, layman terms about their plan, and it's pretty absurd science anyways.
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