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* The fact that everyone in-universe seems to blame Peter for not realizing Fauxlivia was not Olivia. How do you think HE feels? The woman he's been sleeping with for weeks is NOT who he thought she was. But I guess {{Rape Is OK When It Is Sci Fi}}?

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* The fact that everyone in-universe seems to blame Peter for not realizing Fauxlivia was not Olivia. How do you think HE feels? The woman he's been sleeping with for weeks is NOT who he thought she was. But I guess {{Rape Is OK When It Is Sci Fi}}?Fi}}?
** Olivia actually apologizes to him for this in ''"Reciprocity"''... and I don't recall anyone calling Peter out other than her.
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* The fact that everyone in-universe seems to blame Peter for not realizing Fauxlivia was not Olivia. How do you think HE feels? The woman he's been sleeping with for weeks is NOT who he thought she was. But I guess {{RapeIsOKWhenItIsSciFi}}?

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* The fact that everyone in-universe seems to blame Peter for not realizing Fauxlivia was not Olivia. How do you think HE feels? The woman he's been sleeping with for weeks is NOT who he thought she was. But I guess {{RapeIsOKWhenItIsSciFi}}?{{Rape Is OK When It Is Sci Fi}}?
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* The fact that everyone in-universe seems to blame Peter for not realizing Fauxlivia was not Olivia. How do you think HE feels? The woman he's been sleeping with for weeks is NOT who he thought she was. But I guess {{RapeIsOKWhenItsSciFi}}?

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* The fact that everyone in-universe seems to blame Peter for not realizing Fauxlivia was not Olivia. How do you think HE feels? The woman he's been sleeping with for weeks is NOT who he thought she was. But I guess {{RapeIsOKWhenItsSciFi}}?{{RapeIsOKWhenItIsSciFi}}?
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* The fact that everyone in-universe seems to blame Peter for not realizing Fauxlivia was not Olivia. How do you think HE feels? The woman he's been sleeping with for weeks is NOT who he thought she was. But I guess {{RapeisOKWhenItsSciFi}}?

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* The fact that everyone in-universe seems to blame Peter for not realizing Fauxlivia was not Olivia. How do you think HE feels? The woman he's been sleeping with for weeks is NOT who he thought she was. But I guess {{RapeisOKWhenItsSciFi}}?{{RapeIsOKWhenItsSciFi}}?
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* There's only one thing that bugs me about this show. It's pointless to complain about the soft science, because it's so routinely over-the-top and absurd as to become almost prosaic within the context of the show when a woman doing a Leonard Nimoy impression discusses the possibility of transplanting one of her two personalities into the body of a cow and communicating through brain waves on an EEG monitor. There's a certain RefugeInAudacity here, as if they listened to all the complaints about the science used in ''TheXFiles'' and said "You think ''that's'' ridiculous? Put ''this'' in your pipe and smoke it!" Most of the rest of it that would bug me if I were in a nitpicky mood I can chalk up to RuleOfFunny. What ''does'' bug me is the "find the shapeshifter" plot at the beginning of season 2. ''Everyone'' picks up the IdiotBall and runs as far as they can with it. It was obvious who it was in the first place, but after they discover the orderly's body, it becomes ''impossible'' to miss. That, and the utterly cheap manner in which they wrote Kirk Acevedo off the show. It's nice having him back in season 3, but still...not quite the same.

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* There's only one thing that bugs me about this show. It's pointless to complain about the soft science, because it's so routinely over-the-top and absurd as to become almost prosaic within the context of the show when a woman doing a Leonard Nimoy impression discusses the possibility of transplanting one of her two personalities into the body of a cow and communicating through brain waves on an EEG monitor. There's a certain RefugeInAudacity here, as if they listened to all the complaints about the science used in ''TheXFiles'' and said "You think ''that's'' ridiculous? Put ''this'' in your pipe and smoke it!" Most of the rest of it that would bug me if I were in a nitpicky mood I can chalk up to RuleOfFunny. What ''does'' bug me is the "find the shapeshifter" plot at the beginning of season 2. ''Everyone'' picks up the IdiotBall and runs as far as they can with it. It was obvious who it was in the first place, but after they discover the orderly's body, it becomes ''impossible'' to miss. That, and the utterly cheap manner in which they wrote Kirk Acevedo off the show. It's nice having him back in season 3, but still...not quite the same.same.
* The fact that everyone in-universe seems to blame Peter for not realizing Fauxlivia was not Olivia. How do you think HE feels? The woman he's been sleeping with for weeks is NOT who he thought she was. But I guess {{RapeisOKWhenItsSciFi}}?

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** It ''could'' be a mother-to-baby transmittable disease (like AIDS) and the genetic factor comes in with the immune system's reaction to it. Granted it is a strech. Would make sense if a previous epidemic (and we know that the AlternateUniverse is painfully prone to those) made carriers out of those it did not kill.



** It ''could'' be a mother-to-baby transmittable disease (like AIDS) and the genetic factor comes in with the immune system's reaction to it. Granted it is a strech. Would make sense if a previous epidemic (and we know that the AlternateUniverse is painfully prone to those) made carriers out of those it did not kill.
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** It ''could'' be a mother-to-baby transmittable disease (like AIDS) and the genetic factor comes in with the immune system's reaction to it. Granted it is a strech. Would make sense if a previous epidemic (and we know that the AlternateUniverse is painfully prone to those) made carriers out of those it did not kill.
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** I wouldn't be surprised if they simply decided to capitalise on the NarmCharm. It is still hard to believe that Torv could do each scene straight faced.

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** I wouldn't be surprised if they simply decided to capitalise on the NarmCharm. It is still hard to believe that Torv could do each scene straight faced.faced.
* There's only one thing that bugs me about this show. It's pointless to complain about the soft science, because it's so routinely over-the-top and absurd as to become almost prosaic within the context of the show when a woman doing a Leonard Nimoy impression discusses the possibility of transplanting one of her two personalities into the body of a cow and communicating through brain waves on an EEG monitor. There's a certain RefugeInAudacity here, as if they listened to all the complaints about the science used in ''TheXFiles'' and said "You think ''that's'' ridiculous? Put ''this'' in your pipe and smoke it!" Most of the rest of it that would bug me if I were in a nitpicky mood I can chalk up to RuleOfFunny. What ''does'' bug me is the "find the shapeshifter" plot at the beginning of season 2. ''Everyone'' picks up the IdiotBall and runs as far as they can with it. It was obvious who it was in the first place, but after they discover the orderly's body, it becomes ''impossible'' to miss. That, and the utterly cheap manner in which they wrote Kirk Acevedo off the show. It's nice having him back in season 3, but still...not quite the same.
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** It would be impressively weird as well as an admirable example of LeaningOnTheFourthWall / PaintingTheFourthWall if they ''did'' a filler episode with that as its plot. I doubt it'll happen, but then again, ''Fringe'' is the only show I've ever seen that might actually do such a thing.
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** I'm still not sure if it's the epitome of {{Narm}} or the [[WhatDoYouMeanItsNotAwesome most awesome thing]] [[NarmCharm ever shown on television.]]

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** I'm still not sure if it's the epitome of {{Narm}} or the [[WhatDoYouMeanItsNotAwesome most awesome thing]] [[NarmCharm ever shown on television.]]]]
** I wouldn't be surprised if they simply decided to capitalise on the NarmCharm. It is still hard to believe that Torv could do each scene straight faced.
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** Everyone got on the same page in season 2: protect the universe from the alternate one. Of course, [[WildMassGuessing there's an argument to be made]] that Massive Dynamic's hostile attitude towards Fringe Division when it was fighting ZFT indicates they were in league. ZFT ''is'' an organisation committed to fighting the alternate universe and was first founded, in some way at least, by William Bell. Jones was a bad egg, but ZFT is a continuation of Bell and Walter's original goals.

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** William Bell started the cortexiphan experiments over Walter's initial objections (and the Jacksonville trials weren't the first). At some point prior to "Peter", Bell left for Europe to secure funding in order to continue the experiments/found Massive Dynamic; he likely left Walter or someone else in charge of them. When Walter realised that he needed a new way to cross between universes, he took a firmer hand in guiding the experiments.



** William Bell started the cortexiphan experiments over Walter's initial objections (and the Jacksonville trials weren't the first). At some point prior to "Peter", Bell left for Europe to secure funding in order to continue the experiments/found Massive Dynamic; he likely left Walter or someone else in charge of them. When Walter realised that he needed a new way to cross between universes, he took a firmer hand in guiding the experiments.
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** Peter didn't figure out the device's purpose on his own, just that Walternate had lied: he didn't bring Peter back from the prime universe for personal reasons, he brought Peter back because he was the only one the device responded to. That alone made him distrustful, and then Olivia showed up and filled in the rest.
** And any blanks in their knowledge was filled in by "The First Peoples".
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** William Bell started the cortexiphan experiments over Walter's initial objections (and the Jacksonville trials weren't the first). At some point prior to "Peter", Bell left for Europe to secure funding in order to continue the experiments/found Massive Dynamic; he likely left Walter or someone else in charge of them. When Walter realised that he needed a new way to cross between universes, he took a firmer hand in guiding the experiments.
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* Olivia's William Bell accent. Were they aiming for maximum {{Narm}} or what?

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* Olivia's William Bell accent. Were they aiming for maximum {{Narm}} or what?what?
** I'm still not sure if it's the epitome of {{Narm}} or the [[WhatDoYouMeanItsNotAwesome most awesome thing]] [[NarmCharm ever shown on television.]]
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* "Bloodline." A genetically inheritable virus. [[FlatWhat What.]] Did I miss something crucial in my Biomed lectures? Then again... maybe it was some kind of weird, modified virus that was accidentally unleashed on the unsuspecting public. [[MST3KMantra Never mind... I'll just go with it.]]

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* "Bloodline." A genetically inheritable virus. [[FlatWhat What.]] Did I miss something crucial in my Biomed lectures? Then again... maybe it was some kind of weird, modified virus that was accidentally unleashed on the unsuspecting public. [[MST3KMantra Never mind... I'll just go with it.]]]]
* Olivia's William Bell accent. Were they aiming for maximum {{Narm}} or what?
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* In "Concentrate and Ask Again", tracking down a mind reader is apparently the only way to extract information from someone in a coma. Didn't anyone remember Walter's already come up with 2 separate means of reading comatose minds? The John Scott thing had some side effects, but the one in "In Which We Meet Mr. Jones" didn't seem to.

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* In "Concentrate and Ask Again", tracking down a mind reader is apparently the only way to extract information from someone in a coma. Didn't anyone remember Walter's already come up with 2 separate means of reading comatose minds? The John Scott thing had some side effects, but the one in "In Which We Meet Mr. Jones" didn't seem to.to.
** The guy in "Concentrate and Ask Again" was comatose in a hospital. The guy from "In Which we Meet Mr Jones" was actually dead. Maybe Broyles didn't have the clearance to allow Walter to experiment on a guy who was still alive.
* "Bloodline." A genetically inheritable virus. [[FlatWhat What.]] Did I miss something crucial in my Biomed lectures? Then again... maybe it was some kind of weird, modified virus that was accidentally unleashed on the unsuspecting public. [[MST3KMantra Never mind... I'll just go with it.]]
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* The discrepancies between "Subject 13" and the rest of the show: Walter claimed William Bell conducted the experiments, but in "Subject 13" it was him who did it. In "Bad Dreams" Walter watches a VHS tape of young (3-year old) Olivia after starting the fire and we hear both his and Bell's voices in the tape. However in "Subject 13" Olivia is 9 when she starts the fire, William Bell is nowhere to be seen, leaving Walter to conduct the experiments himself, and the footage was on Betamax, not VHS.
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* After the first season, [[WhatHappenedToTheMouse Massive Dynamics' questionable motivations and game of counter-intelligence with the FBI were completely forgotten]], causing Nina Sharp to completely lose all her teeth. (I really miss the untrustworthy, layered Nina of S1).
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* 1) Why does the sow need a recap at the start of every episode? Thats one of the things I liked about season 1!
2) How did Mina just go to see Olivia in the hospital in either the first or second ep? I mean, she's there for no reason or intro, and Im sure you have to get permission from the doctor to see a patient!
3) In the second ep, why did no one bring up the fact that the suspect killed himself in custody? Why were there no guards? Were they constipated?

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* ** 1) Why does the sow need a recap at the start of every episode? Thats one of the things I liked about season 1!
** 2) How did Mina just go to see Olivia in the hospital in either the first or second ep? I mean, she's there for no reason or intro, and Im sure you have to get permission from the doctor to see a patient!
** 3) In the second ep, why did no one bring up the fact that the suspect killed himself in custody? Why were there no guards? Were they constipated?



* Why don't the shapeshifters try to deface the original bodies once they steal their shapes? The FBI ''et al'' know what the three holes in the mouth mean. Disguising that or making identification more difficult would buy them more time.
* In "White Tulip", the physicist is traveling back to inhabit his original body, right? Then how did he appear in the subway car when he wasn't there before?

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* Why don't the shapeshifters try to deface the original bodies once they steal their shapes? The FBI ''et al'' know what the three holes in the mouth mean. Disguising that or making identification more difficult would buy them more time.
* In "White Tulip", the physicist is traveling back to inhabit his original body, right? Then how did he appear in the subway car when he wasn't there before?before?
* In "Concentrate and Ask Again", tracking down a mind reader is apparently the only way to extract information from someone in a coma. Didn't anyone remember Walter's already come up with 2 separate means of reading comatose minds? The John Scott thing had some side effects, but the one in "In Which We Meet Mr. Jones" didn't seem to.
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** This is total WallBanger territory given the flashbacks in "Peter," where we see Walter himself present a prototype modern cell phone (copied from the parallel universe) to the Military in 1985. The fact of William Bell removing knowledge from Walter's head only somewhat alleviates this problem.

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** This is total WallBanger territory totally ridiculous given the flashbacks in "Peter," where we see Walter himself present a prototype modern cell phone (copied from the parallel universe) to the Military in 1985. The fact of William Bell removing knowledge from Walter's head only somewhat alleviates this problem.
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*** Yes yes, I almost added that. I meant why didn't Walter & co. do that? John died with Olivia desperate to know more about his double life and they just let him get shipped off to the morgue, or that's what they think. It still seems stupid to me.

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** Charlie didn't even get a chance to fire his gun. The shapeshifter ambushed him, killed him, changed shape, hid the real Charlie's body, pulled out the real nurse's body, and shot her.



1) Why does the sow need a recap at the start of every episode? Thats one of the things I liked about season 1!

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* 1) Why does the sow need a recap at the start of every episode? Thats one of the things I liked about season 1!



* I just got done watching the pilot so forgive me if this gets explained later on in the series, but why did they not use the sychronized dream thingy on Agent Scott after he died? It was stated earlier that you can get information from a corpse withing six hours of their death.

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* I just got done watching the pilot so forgive me if this gets explained later on in the series, but why did they not use the sychronized dream thingy on Agent Scott after he died? It was stated earlier that you can get information from a corpse withing six hours of their death.death.
** They did; it was a Chekov's Gun. Remember the end of the pilot? Nina Sharp asks how long John Scott has been dead, and when she's told five hours, orders someone to interrogate him.
* Why don't they still use that window to the other universe Walter invented? It seems like that would be ''really'' damn useful for gathering information about a mysterious and powerful enemy.
* Why don't the shapeshifters try to deface the original bodies once they steal their shapes? The FBI ''et al'' know what the three holes in the mouth mean. Disguising that or making identification more difficult would buy them more time.
* In "White Tulip", the physicist is traveling back to inhabit his original body, right? Then how did he appear in the subway car when he wasn't there before?
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3) In the second ep, why did no one bring up the fact that the suspect killed himself in custody? Why were there no guards? Were they constipated?

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3) In the second ep, why did no one bring up the fact that the suspect killed himself in custody? Why were there no guards? Were they constipated?constipated?
* I just got done watching the pilot so forgive me if this gets explained later on in the series, but why did they not use the sychronized dream thingy on Agent Scott after he died? It was stated earlier that you can get information from a corpse withing six hours of their death.
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* Im on the second disc of season 2 dvd to catch up on the show (So no spoilers please) and I have 3 questions.

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* Im on the second disc of season 2 dvd to catch up on the show (So no spoilers please) and I have 3 questions.questions;
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* Im on the second disc of season 2 dvd to catch up on the show (So no spoilers please) and I have 3 questions.
1) Why does the sow need a recap at the start of every episode? Thats one of the things I liked about season 1!
2) How did Mina just go to see Olivia in the hospital in either the first or second ep? I mean, she's there for no reason or intro, and Im sure you have to get permission from the doctor to see a patient!
3) In the second ep, why did no one bring up the fact that the suspect killed himself in custody? Why were there no guards? Were they constipated?

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<<|ItJustBugsMe|>>** Just because we're primarily dealing with one other universe doesn't mean it's the ''only'' other universe.
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*The episode The Road Not Taken in hindsight makes no sense in regards to the two universes. First, Olivia apparently jumps into Fauxlivia's body for seconds and she/her team is none the wiser. Second, they're not Fringe Division in alt-universe. Third, both sides are working on a case regarding people who were experimented on with Cortexifan (sp?), which doesn't exist until season 3 in the alt-universe.
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** And where, pray tell, would the Rehab procedure come from in the first place? They needed to keep them on ice, so to speak, until they were reasonably confident that they could get them to control their powers in the first place. Also, 6 weeks seems a little fast-track to me, given that the average rehab stint is twice that long. They were probably working on a procedure when Bell or someone communicated to Nina to get a move on so that they'd be ready for the inevitable assault on the other side, which led them to bring them all out of their comas and train them in control of their powers.
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* Heres my thing. In the first part of the season 2 finale they show the three cortiexiphan recipients having been brought out of their medically induced comas and rehabilitated so that they had full control over their powers. Here's my question, why didn't they do that in the first freaking place?! If all it took was 6 weeks to turn three dysfunctional time bombs into god damned superheroes, why did it not occur to them to skip the medically induced comas and jump straight to the Rehab part? Did it not occur to them that a reverse empath, a pyrokinetic and a super-healer would be a pretty handy thing to have in fringe division?

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