History Headscratchers / Frasier

13th Sep '16 11:51:51 AM chris83
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* Whenever Frasier and / or Niles speak French on the series, they speak as Americans who learned French mostly through textbooks and literature and spent some time abroad in a French-speaking context - their accents, while acceptable, are pretty rough and clearly non-native (which of course is contingent on Kelsey Grammar's and David Hyde Pierce's abilities), and their vocabulary choices (such as when Frasier is "translating" for Roz's one-off French boyfriend) are "correct" but stilted and sometimes a little off. In other words, it's not at all surprising that Frasier, who doesn't speak or hear French regularly, would not immediately recognize a French word spoken by a native French speaker. And finally, no French speaker would ''ever'' refer to his or her (male) partner as "monsieur" - époux, mec, mari, copain, sure, but not "monsieur". In or out of context, "my monsieur" is nonsensical and would, not surprisingly, cause confusion even to someone familiar with French.

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* Whenever Frasier and / or Niles speak French on the series, they speak as Americans who learned French mostly through textbooks and literature and spent some time abroad in a French-speaking context - their accents, while acceptable, are pretty rough and clearly non-native (which of course is contingent on Kelsey Grammar's and David Hyde Pierce's abilities), and their vocabulary choices (such as when Frasier is "translating" for Roz's one-off French boyfriend) are "correct" but stilted and sometimes a little off. They might have decent listening comprehension and some amount of conversational skill, but they are ''far'' from fluent. In other words, it's not at all surprising that Frasier, who doesn't speak or hear French regularly, would not immediately recognize a French word spoken by a native French speaker. And finally,
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no French speaker would ''ever'' refer to his or her (male) partner as "monsieur" - époux, mec, mari, copain, compagnon, homme, sure, but not "monsieur". In or out of context, "my monsieur" is nonsensical and would, not surprisingly, cause confusion even to someone familiar with French.
13th Sep '16 11:46:56 AM chris83
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* Whenever Frasier and / or Niles speak French on the series, they speak as Americans who learned French mostly through textbooks and literature and spent some time abroad in a French-speaking context - their accents, while acceptable, are pretty rough and clearly non-native (which of course is contingent on Kelsey Grammar's and David Hyde Pierce's abilities), and their vocabulary choices (such as when Frasier is "translating" for Roz's one-off French boyfriend) are "correct" but stilted and sometimes a little off. In other words, it's not at all surprising that Frasier, who doesn't speak or hear French regularly, would not immediately recognize a French word spoken by a native French speaker. And finally, no French speaker would ''ever'' refer to his or her (male) partner as "monsieur" - époux, mec, mari, copain, sure, but not "monsieur". In or out of context, "my monsieur" is nonsensical and would, not surprisingly, cause confusion even to someone familiar with French.
1st Sep '16 4:20:44 AM DoctorNemesis
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** If the smoke detector was sufficiently far enough from the location where Niles was ironing, the smoke from the fire might not have reached it yet.
1st Sep '16 4:18:21 AM DoctorNemesis
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** If we're looking for an in-universe explanation, perhaps Martin -- given the estrangement -- simply chooses to act like he never had a brother because he finds it easier to cope, and Frasier and Niles simply indulge him in this rather than pouring salt on old wounds.



** The Doylist position is because while most of the watching audience is vaguely familiar with Dante's ''Inferno'', they're probably not familiar with it to that degree, so the writers either goofed themselves or decided it wasn't worth worrying too much about. In-universe, because it's just a thing people say when it's really hot to communicate how really hot they think it is. It's not strictly accurate to the book, and Frasier knows it, but at that point he's probably so hot he doesn't really care that it's not accurate, since he's just talking about the heat and isn't in his book club or anything. Plus, Frasier himself might have forgotten that detail; he's not perfect.

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** The Doylist position is because while most of the watching audience is vaguely familiar with Dante's ''Inferno'', they're probably not familiar with it to that degree, so the writers either goofed themselves or decided it wasn't worth worrying too much about. In-universe, because it's just a thing people say when it's really hot to communicate how really hot they think it is. It's not strictly accurate to the book, and Frasier knows it, but at that point he's probably so hot he doesn't really care that it's not accurate, since he's just talking about the heat and isn't in his book club or anything. Plus, Frasier himself might have simply misspoken (again, due to being distracted by the heat) or forgotten that detail; he's not perfect.
24th Aug '16 12:28:44 PM darrenr
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No one I mean NO ONE speaks with anything remotely close to a Mancunian accent, In fact theres no accent outside of the southeast of england from any english character in the show.

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No one I mean NO ONE speaks with anything remotely close to a Mancunian accent, In fact theres there's no accent outside of the southeast of england from any english English character in the show.


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* I've always assumed this was deliberate. The producers of 'Frasier' aren't idiots and they've taken a lot of time and care to hone the show with plenty of attention to detail so it would be difficult to make the case that they didn't know or care. Plus they have John Mahoney, a born and bred Lancastrian, to point out any linguistic errors to them. Casting a mixed bag of Brits (none of whom are from anywhere near Manchester) and an Aussie to play Daphne's family seems more like an elaborate gag about the way other nationalities are represented on American TV rather than laziness or ignorance.
31st May '16 11:02:23 AM bombadilla
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* Are the show's writer's aware of the differences between psychology and psychiatry? As far as I can see Niles and Frasier don't have any patients with serious mental disorders. What they seem to do is life-coaching and psychotherapy without prescribing medication, which I believe is more of a psychologist's job. It's hard to believe that a snob like Frasier would throw years of medical training away for a job that someone with a BA could do (not that I think psychologists are in any way less scientific or less valuable than psychiatrists, I just think that's how Frasier would react). Even if we accept that Frasier wanted to get away from psychiatry and the KACL was ready to employ such a mis-qualified employee, how come Niles, who has his own private practice, doesn't seem to have any psychotic patients either?

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* Are the show's writer's writers aware of the differences between psychology and psychiatry? As far as I can see Niles and Frasier don't have any patients with serious mental disorders. What they seem to do is life-coaching and psychotherapy without prescribing medication, which I believe is more of a psychologist's job. It's hard to believe that a snob like Frasier would throw years of medical training away for a job that someone with a BA could do (not that I think psychologists are in any way less scientific or less valuable than psychiatrists, I just think that's how Frasier would react). Even if we accept that Frasier wanted to get away from psychiatry and the KACL was ready to employ such a mis-qualified employee, how come Niles, who has his own private practice, doesn't seem to have any psychotic patients either?
31st May '16 10:58:48 AM bombadilla
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24th Apr '16 9:33:04 AM DoctorNemesis
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** Describing Frasier as 'killing' this woman is, at the very least, rather histrionic. It's not like he's locking her in a dungeon and depriving her of her medication, or taking it from her while she's on the floor gasping for breath or anything; all she has to do to get it back is knock on the door, apologise, and stop taking embarrassing pictures of him. Since it's her own fault she's lost her medication in the first place, this is hardly that unreasonable.

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** Describing Frasier as 'killing' this woman is, at the very least, rather histrionic. It's not like he's locking her in a dungeon and depriving her of her medication, or taking it from her while she's on the floor gasping for breath or anything; all she has to do to get it back is knock on the door, apologise, and promise to stop taking embarrassing pictures of him. Since it's her own fault she's lost her medication in the first place, this is hardly that unreasonable.



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*** The two aren't mutually exclusive. Niles runs his own private practice, so he can pick and choose his patients and how he organises his practice as he sees fit; he can block off some days / some hours per day purely for rote consultation work as described above and then use the rest of his time for more in-depth consultations with his own patients.
13th Apr '16 8:29:36 AM Jessicastarbunny
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* Daphne and family are meant to be from Manchester right?
No one I mean NO ONE speaks with anything remotely close to a Mancunian accent, In fact theres no accent outside of the southeast of england from any english character in the show.
To put this into perspective for American viewers its effectively like watching someone with a new England Accent playing someone from Texas or Alaska its possibly even worse.
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27th Mar '16 8:29:26 AM mlsmithca
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* How old is Frasier supposed to be, anyway? Kelsey Grammer was born in 1955, which makes him 29 as of his first appearance on ''Series/{{Cheers}}''. Assuming Frasier is the same age or a little older, the numbers don't quite match. He's supposed to hold several degrees, and on the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frasier_Crane Other Wiki]], it seems to be handwaved as Frasier was some kind of "child prodigy," but there's no indication that he had anything other than a normal school run. So that means he attended college from 1973-1977, and medical school from 1977-1981. That means he was doing his residency (1981-1985, because a residency is four years after medical school) when he met Diane, as he started on Cheers in 1984. It commonly takes 4-7 years to earn a PhD and anywhere from 4-10 years to earn an Ed.D, and no mention is ever made of Frasier attending school, so when did he earn all these degrees? This in between his work and his whirlwind social life. It's also complicated by the fact that [[PlayingGertrude John Mahoney]] is only 14 years older than Kelsey Grammer (born 1940)!
** Found it! Sort of, although the question isn't quite answered. He states he's 41 in a first season episode (which aired in March 1994). That puts his birthdate in 1952. So, Bachelor's 1970-1974, med school 1974-1978, and 4-7 years to do his PhD. If he finished his PhD in 1982 or 1984, the show does not give any indication when he did the second doctorate.

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* How old is Frasier supposed to be, anyway? Kelsey Grammer was born in 1955, which makes him 29 as of his first appearance on ''Series/{{Cheers}}''. Assuming Frasier is the same age or a little older, the numbers don't quite match. He's supposed to hold several degrees, and on the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frasier_Crane Other Wiki]], it seems to be handwaved as Frasier was some kind of "child prodigy," but there's no indication that he had anything other than a normal school run. So that means he attended college from 1973-1977, and medical school from 1977-1981. That means he was doing his residency (1981-1985, because a residency is four years after medical school) when he met Diane, as he started on Cheers in 1984. It commonly takes 4-7 years to earn a PhD [=PhD=] and anywhere from 4-10 years to earn an Ed.D, and no mention is ever made of Frasier attending school, so when did he earn all these degrees? This in between his work and his whirlwind social life. It's also complicated by the fact that [[PlayingGertrude John Mahoney]] is only 14 years older than Kelsey Grammer (born 1940)!
** Found it! Sort of, although the question isn't quite answered. He states he's 41 in a first season episode (which aired in March 1994). That puts his birthdate in 1952. So, Bachelor's 1970-1974, med school 1974-1978, and 4-7 years to do his PhD. [=PhD=]. If he finished his PhD [=PhD=] in 1982 or 1984, the show does not give any indication when he did the second doctorate.
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