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**I'm just blowing smoke here, but I remember I thought it was just the guardian of the vault gone haywire, like it was some sort of curse on the owners of the content. I tried to find a good Esper trope but all I found was this lousy [[MagicOrPsychic? other one.]]
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**I would have to double-check, but I think it was a purely political move. [[spoiler: Kefka had the power to destroy the emperor, which I think he does later.]] Again, I definitely feel like I need to double check but if I'm right, the Esper settlement miiiight have held something of worth to exploit. So, before Kefka decides to do anything *cough cough* drastic he does things with diplomacy; this reduced the risk of losing anything to the Espers deliberately destroying something out of spite. Maybe if there were something of significant power that only the Espers could use (and teach Kefka) properly, he'd be saving himself an unneccessary headache. A last guess, again, is safety, as it might have been possible the Espers had a failsafe or doomsday fallback in case Kefka came [[RecklessPacifist tear assing]] through their ranks.
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**** If the city is contaminated by some sort of low-grade dangerous magic radiation from the war, that could explain why nobody else settled in it and why you encounter magic-using opponents there.
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*** But Banon is the leader of the Returners and knows more about fighting the Empire than anyone else, making him a valuable resource; furthermore, Vector (where Banon and Arvis were) is, in theory, part of the Floating Continent. Shouldn't they have described rescuing Banon and Arvis, if they're still alive, as part of the goal of the assault on the Floating Continent? The game allows you to worry about ''Shadow'', and is deeply worried about everything that happens to Celes, but not those two. From an out-of-character standpoint it's because party members matter more than NPCs, but from an in-universe standpoint Banon and Arvis should be every bit as important as if two of your party members were likely being held hostage on the Floating Continent (and possibly dead, but you don't know that so it's worth searching for them.)

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*** But Banon is the leader of the Returners and knows more about fighting the Empire than anyone else, making him a valuable resource; furthermore, Vector (where Banon and Arvis were) is, in theory, part of the Floating Continent. Shouldn't they have described rescuing Banon and Arvis, if they're still alive, as part of the goal of the assault on the Floating Continent? The game allows you to worry about ''Shadow'', and is deeply worried about everything that happens to Celes, but not those two. From an out-of-character standpoint it's because party members matter more than NPCs, [=NPCs=] (or a temporary party member in Banon's case), but from an in-universe standpoint Banon and Arvis should be every bit as important as if two of your party members were likely being held hostage on the Floating Continent (and possibly dead, but you don't know that so it's worth searching for them.)
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*** But Banon is the leader of the Returners and knows more about fighting the Empire than anyone else, making him a valuable resource; furthermore, Vector (where Banon and Arvis were) is, in theory, part of the Floating Continent. Shouldn't they have described rescuing Banon and Arvis, if they're still alive, as part of the goal of the assault on the Floating Continent? The game allows you to worry about ''Shadow'', and is deeply worried about everything that happens to Celes, but not those two. From an out-of-character standpoint it's because party members matter more than NPCs, but from an in-universe standpoint Banon and Arvis should be every bit as important as if two of your party members were likely being held hostage on the Floating Continent (and possibly dead, but you don't know that so it's worth searching for them.)
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* That gate was sealed for a reason. When the Imperials first entered the Esper world, they completely stomped everyone there, easily kidnapping a bunch of them to drain their powers; in fact, this is the source of how the Empore got so powerful (which means that they were just some random city-state before then.) The Empire is vastly more powerful today than it was back then, and there's absolutely no reason to think the Espers have grown in power, so... wouldn't opening the sealed gate just end up giving the Empire a bunch of Espers and Magicite, further empowering them? As, in fact, happened? (This is basically the counterpoint to "how did Kefka beat, drain and capture Espers so easily" near the top of the page - the flip side is "why would anyone think the Empire ''wouldn't'' be able to beat the Espers so easily given that they did it before when they were much weaker and knew far less?")
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* Kefka seems to have absolutely no trouble negating the powers of every single Esper and draining them after he betrays everyone at the peace conference, and it's clear the Emperor did in fact support him in this. So... what was the point of all that song-and-dance where the Empire pretended to seek peace? Why did they need you to go up the mountain, meet with the Espers, and bring them back down? Why couldn't Kefka just do that "first, I'll negate all your powers, then I'll something-that-looks-like-X-Zone you all" handwave the moment the gate opened?
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**** Decimation reads a lot more severely than just conquering a city. And "she only did her job" sounds an awful lot like "she was just following orders", which is a... loaded way to defend someone for committing war crimes. Even if her ignorance at the time excuses her, the fact remains that Cyan is accusing her of specific crimes he claims she, as an individual, committed, whereas Locke turns around and defends her with platitudes about not blaming all Imperial citizens for the crimes of their leadership (leadership like, you know, ''Celes''), as if she was a random citizen who Cyan was accusing of stuff utterly unrelated to her rather than things he says specifically happened under her command. No matter how you cut it Locke's response is baffling.
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*** I'm starting to think that Figaro Castle's problem wasn't an oxygen shortage, but a ''food'' shortage. The people survived for a while on the food stores they already had. Edgar knew those supplies wouldn't last forever, which is why he was so desperate to find a way in. Once he repaired the engines and got the castle to surface, he could send soldiers to South Figaro for aid.
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** Given the limitations of the SNES, I don't think we saw the entirety of the castle. One of the Imperial soldiers tells Kefka that the prisoners in Doma Castle will die too, but we never see any Doman dungeons. My headcanon is that there were actually many more survivors of the poisoning, but they were so horrified at what Kefka did that they suffered a DespairEventHorizon and surrendered. Cyan was pretty much the only Doman who refused to give up.


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** One of the Imperial soldiers mentions to Kefka that the Domans have several of their troops prisoner in the castle, and they'll be poisoned too. Despite this, we don't see any dungeons in Doma Castle. Given the limitations of the SNES, the developers couldn't include every single room and part of the castle or any other town. My interpretation was that not everyone in Doma was poisoned, but so many people died that almost all the survivors suffered a DespairEventHorizon and eventually surrendered. Cyan, of course, was the exception.


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** Actually, aside from Tritoch pretty much ''all'' the Espers the party acquires are either already dead and crystallized (e.g. Alexander, Bahamut, Palidor, etc.) or are in the same bad state as Ifrit and Shiva (e.g. Phantom, Maduin and the other Espers the party frees from the Magitek Research Facility) so it makes sense for them to become magicite too. The Advance version adds a new twist where the party has to ''kill'' some of the Espers in self-defense (Leviathan, Catuar and Gilgamesh) and they become magicite when the party wins.


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** I'm starting to think that the "oxygen" shortage in Figaro Castle was actually a food shortage. The people were eating what they'd already had stocked up when the castle became trapped. Edgar knew those supplies wouldn't last forever, which is why he was desperate to find them.


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** As was mentioned above under "Setzer the creep?", Setzer's "kidnapping" Maria was probably just a way to try and dazzle her with his flair and wealth. As for what happened to her, she's probably still working for the opera unless she was killed during the chaos that resulted from Kefka during the statues or the problems the world suffered afterward.
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* We never see her in the World of Balance. It can be presumed that she was hiding so Celes could take her place, but then we don't see her in the World of Ruin either. Is she still alive and working for the opera? Did Setzer kidnap her after the end of the game?

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* We never see her in the World of Balance. It can be presumed that she was hiding so Celes could take her place, but then we don't see her in the World of Ruin either. Is she still alive and working for the opera? Did Setzer kidnap her after the end of the game?game?
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* We never see her in the World of Balance. It can be presumed that she was hiding so Celes could take her place, but then we don't see her in the World of Ruin either. Is she still alive and working for the opera? Did Setzer kidnap her after the end of the game?
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** But the scene ''does'' act as though all the water is instantly poisoned. Less than five minutes after Kekfa pours it in, Cyan and that one NPC are the only people in the whole castle still standing. Everyone else dropped like flies, soldier and civilian, no matter where they were--everyone just happened to be thirsty at that exact moment?

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** But the scene ''does'' act as though all the water is instantly poisoned. Less than five minutes after Kekfa Kefka pours it in, Cyan and that one NPC are the only people in the whole castle still standing. Everyone else dropped like flies, soldier and civilian, no matter where they were--everyone just happened to be thirsty at that exact moment?
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** You think a lover of fine arts like Gesthal would decorate the place. Or at least live in a fancy looking palace than what looks like a factory.

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** You think a lover of fine arts like Gesthal Gestahl would decorate the place. Or at least live in a fancy looking palace than what looks like a factory.
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*** Except even Kefka and Cid somehow didn't know about magacite until the Returners attacked the Magitech factory. How they managed to never kill a single Esper during the decade and a half between the attack on the Esper World and the events of the game is a headscratcher all by itself but that's what the events of the game show us.

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*** Except even Kefka and Cid somehow didn't know about magacite magicite until the Returners attacked the Magitech Magitek factory. How they managed to never kill a single Esper during the decade and a half between the attack on the Esper World and the events of the game is a headscratcher all by itself but that's what the events of the game show us.
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* When going inside Zozo, you can find enemies called Slam Dancers, who know basic elemental magic. That doesn't make any sense. The only humans in the story context who can use real magic are people who have connections with the Empire, the Espers and their Magicite, or the citizens of Thamasa (And although Ramah lives in Zozo, I'm pretty sure he has nothing to do with anybody living there). To make this stranger, the Slam Dancer enemies are probably just prostitutes, considering their name, appearance, and the "crime and villainy" theme of Zozo.

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* When going inside Zozo, you can find enemies called Slam Dancers, who know basic elemental magic. That doesn't make any sense. The only humans in the story context who can use real magic are people who have connections with the Empire, the Espers and their Magicite, or the citizens of Thamasa (And although Ramah Ramuh lives in Zozo, I'm pretty sure he has nothing to do with anybody living there). To make this stranger, the Slam Dancer enemies are probably just prostitutes, considering their name, appearance, and the "crime and villainy" theme of Zozo.
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** They're descendents of the magi; people who recieved some magical power during the War of the Magi, but not enough to be turned into espers.

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** They're descendents of the magi; people who recieved received some magical power during the War of the Magi, but not enough to be turned into espers.
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*** No, they only went overboard beause they never knew their own strength outside of their world, they intended to free their friends because it was what they should have done but they caused far more trouble than they intended.

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*** No, they only went overboard beause because they never knew their own strength outside of their world, they intended to free their friends because it was what they should have done but they caused far more trouble than they intended.
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*** No, they only went overboard beause they never knew thier own strength outside of their world, they intended to free thier friends because it was what they should have done but they caused far more trouble than they intended.

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*** No, they only went overboard beause they never knew thier their own strength outside of their world, they intended to free thier their friends because it was what they should have done but they caused far more trouble than they intended.
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** Yeah, but Leviathan (and maybe Gigantaur too, I can't remeber) attacked you first. Plus, Diablos is already magicite when you find him.

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** Yeah, but Leviathan (and maybe Gigantaur too, I can't remeber) remember) attacked you first. Plus, Diablos is already magicite when you find him.
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** Personal fan fiction: The experiment that gave Kefka magic and unhinged his mind also allowed him to equip several Magicites at the same time. Since the full knowledge of inheriting an Esper's power wasn't known until the part accidentally provided the information to the Empire, he'd never had a chance to do more than develop his own natural magic. Afterward however, he was able to quickly sky rocket in power, gaining multiple stat-boosts at each level and acquiring buckets of spells at a time. As for where his Magicite came from? Well, despite the devastation it suffered, Vector must have had some success in defending itself, as the Espers did eventually leave before razing it to the ground entirely. In addition to General Leo, they had at least one Guardian, and presumably at least some of their air force.

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** Personal fan fiction: The experiment that gave Kefka magic and unhinged his mind also allowed him to equip several Magicites at the same time. Since the full knowledge of inheriting an Esper's power wasn't known until the part party accidentally provided the information to the Empire, he'd never had a chance to do more than develop his own natural magic. Afterward however, he was able to quickly sky rocket in power, gaining multiple stat-boosts at each level and acquiring buckets of spells at a time. As for where his Magicite came from? Well, despite the devastation it suffered, Vector must have had some success in defending itself, as the Espers did eventually leave before razing it to the ground entirely. In addition to General Leo, they had at least one Guardian, and presumably at least some of their air force.
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*** X-Zone, look at his fight against the Ifrit PaletteSwap. Also, what with his new knowledge of Magicite, he probably snagged a whole bunch of magic by using whatever Espers the Empire had left. That would also explain how he was able to impersonate Ghestal. One of the Espers must have been a master of illusions.

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*** X-Zone, look at his fight against the Ifrit PaletteSwap. Also, what with his new knowledge of Magicite, he probably snagged a whole bunch of magic by using whatever Espers the Empire had left. That would also explain how he was able to impersonate Ghestal.Gestahl. One of the Espers must have been a master of illusions.



** Two options. 1) Kefka did some leveling up and learned some stronger magic or 2) Kefka's been screwing with you the whole game as part of the set up to obtain more espers. Remember, the Empire knew Terra's origin from the begining so they probably figured that once she escaped them she'd try to get help fro the other side. The Empire's goals were all about the espers early on.

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** Two options. 1) Kefka did some leveling up and learned some stronger magic or 2) Kefka's been screwing with you the whole game as part of the set up to obtain more espers. Remember, the Empire knew Terra's origin from the begining so they probably figured that once she escaped them she'd try to get help fro from the other side. The Empire's goals were all about the espers early on.
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* The Doylist answer is that the slave crown is a handy method to give her amnesia, allowing the writers to introduce the setting over time and develop her character as a blank slate. Without it she would have known about Kefka, Geshtal, Leo, Celes, and the entire plot up until then, and would probably have strong opinions about the Empire one way or the other right at the beginning.

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* The Doylist answer is that the slave crown is a handy method to give her amnesia, allowing the writers to introduce the setting over time and develop her character as a blank slate. Without it she would have known about Kefka, Geshtal, Gestahl, Leo, Celes, and the entire plot up until then, and would probably have strong opinions about the Empire one way or the other right at the beginning.
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*** But then why did they pass out at all?
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** The exact nature of Kefka's powers (and just about everything related to them) is extremely poorly-defined. For that matter, even the Warring Triad are pretty poorly-defined; but either way, the players managed to beat them up, soemhow. The simplest explanation is that that power was never "transcendent" in the way we think of it, and that gathering enough espers-as-magicite, absorbing their power, accumulating ancient weapons and relics, etc. was enough to kill both them and him.

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** The exact nature of Kefka's powers (and just about everything related to them) is extremely poorly-defined. For that matter, even the Warring Triad are pretty poorly-defined; but either way, the players managed to beat them up, soemhow.somehow. The simplest explanation is that that power was never "transcendent" in the way we think of it, and that gathering enough espers-as-magicite, absorbing their power, accumulating ancient weapons and relics, etc. was enough to kill both them and him.
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* See Sephiroth from ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'' to know the dangers having a living weapon like Terra around with no means to ensure her everlasting loyalty combined with shady circumstances surrounding her acquirement. All Terra needs to go on a murder spree directed at the empire is to learn about the factory, visit, and have a moment of realization. No no, better to put her in the Slave Crown so her obedience is ensured and she stays functional enough to serve the cause.

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* See Sephiroth from ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'' to know the dangers from having a living weapon like Terra around with no means to ensure her everlasting loyalty combined with shady circumstances surrounding her acquirement. All Terra needs to go on a murder spree directed at the empire is to learn about the factory, visit, and have a moment of realization. No no, better to put her in the Slave Crown so her obedience is ensured and she stays functional enough to serve the cause.
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* See Sephiroth from {{Final Fantasy 7}} to know the dangers having a living weapon like Terra around with no means to ensure everlasting loyalty combined with shady circumstances surrounding creation with acquirememt. All Terra needs to go on a murder spree is to learn about the factory, visit, and have a momemt of realization. No no, better to put her in the Slave Crown since she her obedience is ensured and she stays functional enough to serve the cause.

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* See Sephiroth from {{Final Fantasy 7}} ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'' to know the dangers having a living weapon like Terra around with no means to ensure her everlasting loyalty combined with shady circumstances surrounding creation with acquirememt. her acquirement. All Terra needs to go on a murder spree directed at the empire is to learn about the factory, visit, and have a momemt moment of realization. No no, better to put her in the Slave Crown since she so her obedience is ensured and she stays functional enough to serve the cause.
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* See Sephiroth from {{Final Fantasy 7}} to know the dangers having a living weapon like Terra around with no means to ensure everlasting loyalty combined with shady circumstances surrounding creation with acquirememt. All Terra needs to go on a murder spree is to learn about the factory, visit, and have a momemt of realization. No no, better to put her in the Slave Crown since she her obedience is ensured and she stays functional enough to serve the cause.
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Fan Myopia, that clears up absolutely nothing.


** Think [[Manga/KimetsuNoYaiba Inosuke]].

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