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** If terra were male her esper form would be more of a horrific sight, because personally I hate when they make female monster look like Cute Monster Girls. And how can terra not vanish with the other espers at the end of the game I mean come on she's half esper, 50% of her genes is esper, that a whole half of her biology vanishing.
** Technically the relationship between terra mom and the esper maduin is in fact Bestiality if you really think about it.
** Technically the relationship between terra mom and the esper maduin is in fact Bestiality if you really think about it.
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* So, uh, why exactly is the World of Ruin a point of contention with the fanbase? I've ''never'' heard of it being hated until I had read its entry on XenSyndrome and certain forum posts.
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** He says outright: "First, let's neutralize your abilities!" Kefka essentially crippled the Espers right from the get-go in Thamasa, and what attacks they could launch were easily blocked or absorbed. Finally, it's worth remembering that most of the Espers don't in fact seem to be very capable fighters. The Empire didn't have any magic whatsoever when they invaded the Espers' home, and yet they were able to subdue the Espers and drag them back to Vector without very much difficulty. Instead of fighting back with their magic, the Espers' solution is to use a magical wind to blow the Imperial troops away, something that didn't bring back their companions who'd already been kidnapped.
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*** Fair enough. I've only beaten the game's SNES version, so I haven't actually seen that CG. I just recalled reading that the ending had Kefka on the Phantom Train being chased by Shadow, so whoever I heard it from must've been mistaken.
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**** Except that we KNOW that Espers are reduced to Magicite upon death, and that the destruction of the world's source of magic caused Magicite to crumble and Espers to vanish. Kefka himself crumbled when killed. There's no evidence in either direction that would point towards him losing OR keeping his magic in the afterlife.
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*** That'd be all good and well if it weren't for the fact that almost everything you just said is [[EpilepticTrees pure speculation]], and the stuff that wasn't shouldn't really have any impact on Kefka since he wasn't just an Esper, but the PhysicalGod of magic.
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*** I took it upon myself to check the CG ending on YouTube, and, unfortunately for you and your theory, the fridge is still wide open due to a couple of unfortunate details that you appear to have overlooked. The main one being that the CG ending in FFVI is a recap montage of earlier events in the game, (like Terra invading Narshe, Locke rescuing Celes down in the basement in South Figaro and Setzer [[JustForPun dealing]] out some destruction to some imperial fliers,) meaning that the sequence you're referring to is from when Shadow, Sabin and Cyan were on board the Phantom Train.
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**Because 'Authority Equals Asskicking' does not apply here. And Magitek infusion can lead to insanity and death, the Generals know better.
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** The PS1 rerelease has an interesting bit added to the ending in CGI. Basically, it's Kefka on the Phantom Train, being chased by Shadow. Presumably, if he still had all that magical power, he wouldn't be worried about the ninja assassin coming to kick his teeth in.
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** The magic he siphoned from the Triad was earthly. When he died, his soul ''didn't'' have that power anymore. Alternately, Espers don't die and go on to the Phantom Train --they're reduced to Magicite, which then crumbled and caused all Espers to outright ''disappear'' from the world. If Kefka ''wasn't'' entirely made of magic, then it stands to reason his human soul would've passed on like any other; if he ''was'', then he was ''obliterated'' with the rest of the Espers and the Goddesses themselves.
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* Why are Imperial [[http://www.videogamesprites.net/FinalFantasy6/Enemies/General.gif Generals]] inside the Magitek Research Facility just plain old human beings, when the lower ranked Sergeants and their guard dogs get to be Magitek cyborgs?
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* Allow me to open the [[FridgeHorror fridge of horror]] for a sec and ask something that's REALLY been bugging me... Okay, so in FFVI there is an afterlife, right? Right. We all remember that train that went there, we saw Cyan's wife and son board the train, (and still be able to interact with the player characters in Cyan's dream world at Dohma castle,) it doesn't get much more canonical than that. Now, everything that dies (and doesn't stay in the world as an undead) apparently goes to the afterlife, right? This probably goes for magic and magical beings, too, right? (Who knows, maybe that's even why magic vanished when it's source died; it died and cannot traverse the boundraries of the living/dead dimensions... Well, it's a theory, anyway.) So, here's what's been bugging me: What happened to Kefka after he died? Logically, if magic went with him when he died, he should be just as powerful in the afterlife as he was in the world of the living, right? ... Yeah, now just sit there and enjoy the fridge horror.
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* Even if Celes was under anesthetic / too young to remember at the time her Esper was infused, she was still foster-parented by the man who invented the process. It still seems [[ImplausibleDeniability disingenuous]] (to me) for her to innocently say that she's only heard "rumors" about what esper infusion does to the esper. Even if it was classified, she ''is'' one of the highest-ranking officials in the Empire and she had a direct source for the information if she ever had the slightest bit of curiosity. Maybe she ''did'' never find out, but it can't be said that it's because she ''couldn't'' find out.
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**** Exactly that, if [[http://www.icyforums.com/index.php?showtopic=4401&st=475 this]] is any indication. Look for Lina Darkstar's fourth post on that page.
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*** Makes sense. Anyone here know what the original line was, and why this might've happened? (Woolsey's team might have done a lot of censoring and the like, but at least usually the meaning was right. Something like this makes me wonder if the original line was particularly difficult to translate or something.)
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** [[Woolseyism Woolsey screwed up.]] Setzer was supposed to be complaining about the Empire. You'll notice that the words of Locke and Celes (and whoever else you brought) are very similar, but not identical, in meaning in both versions. You'll also notice that (in the SNES version) Setzer turns his back on the Empire that made him rich shockingly fast. The GBA version is the more correct translation here.
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** [[Woolseyism [[{{Woolseyism}} Woolsey screwed up.]] Setzer was supposed to be complaining about the Empire. You'll notice that the words of Locke and Celes (and whoever else you brought) are very similar, but not identical, in meaning in both versions. You'll also notice that (in the SNES version) Setzer turns his back on the Empire that made him rich shockingly fast. The GBA version is the more correct translation here.
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** [[Woolseyism Woolsey screwed up.]] Setzer was supposed to be complaining about the Empire. You'll notice that the words of Locke and Celes (and whoever else you brought) are very similar, but not identical, in meaning in both versions. You'll also notice that (in the SNES version) Setzer turns his back on the Empire that made him rich shockingly fast. The GBA version is the more correct translation here.
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** Another theory that I like, especially for the monsters in Imperial lands, is that the Magitek program was tested on wild creatures, and some of the creatures escaped after their testing and are menacing the countryside.
** Sorry for the possible squick factor here, but aren't a lot of the Espers monstrous in form? It's also possible that some of the Espers crossbred, but not with humans, since they weren't human themselves. Or they did have human lovers, but their children had monstrous forms. Either way, the monsters could be descendants of the Espers in much the same way as the Thamasans were descendants of mages.
** Sorry for the possible squick factor here, but aren't a lot of the Espers monstrous in form? It's also possible that some of the Espers crossbred, but not with humans, since they weren't human themselves. Or they did have human lovers, but their children had monstrous forms. Either way, the monsters could be descendants of the Espers in much the same way as the Thamasans were descendants of mages.
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* There's a change between the SNES and GBA versions of the game that bugs me. It's this line, from Setzer, while you're attempting to recruit him on the Blackjack:
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'''(GBA) Setzer''': Hmmm... Business has been awfully slow lately, thanks to the Empire...
'''(SNES) Setzer''': Phew. The Empire's made me a rich man.
'''(GBA) Setzer''': Hmmm... Business has been awfully slow lately, thanks to the Empire...
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'''(GBA) Setzer''': Hmmm... Business has been awfully slow lately, thanks to the Empire...//
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'''(GBA) Setzer''': Hmmm... Business has been awfully slow lately, thanks to the Empire...//
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* This JustBugsMe concerns the fans, rather than the game: Why are people so convinced that the GBA translation changed more than it did? I've seen claims ''on TV Tropes'' that "lots" of Kefka's lines were changed - utter bullhonkey, unless you define "lots" as "two", and even then, one of those two has the exact same joke with a different key word. I know that, to many, TheyChangedItNowItSucks, but this is... TheyChangedOneThingSoThisOtherThingProbablyGotChangedNowItSucks. Also, where did people get the idea that ''a guy dressed as a clown who has a sound clip of a silly-sounding laugh'' was ever meant to be serious, even in the Japanese version of the game? Sigh, just ranting.
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* This JustBugsMe concerns the fans, rather than the game: Why are people so convinced that the GBA translation changed more than it did? I've seen claims ''on TV Tropes'' (note: ''I did fix it, but at the time I made this complaint, a different user tried to change it back'') that "lots" of Kefka's lines [[strike:lines]] ''one liners and jokes (sorry for any confusion)'' were changed - utter bullhonkey, unless you define "lots" as "two", and even then, one of those two has the exact same joke with a different key word. I know that, to many, TheyChangedItNowItSucks, but this is... TheyChangedOneThingSoThisOtherThingProbablyGotChangedNowItSucks. Also, where did people get the idea that ''a guy dressed as a clown who has a sound clip of a silly-sounding laugh'' was ever meant to be serious, even in the Japanese version of the game? Sigh, just ranting.
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*** I did. When I made this complaint, people were attempting to change it back.
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*** Sorry, I meant the one-liners and jokes as Kefka's "lines". Yes, dialogue was expanded in many places.
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**** "Closer to the original Japanese" does not in itself mean "Better." There are times when a translator makes some changes that work well and that are loved by the players. The original Final Fantasy IV doesn't contain "You Spoony Bard," but everyone knows and loves the line. It's memorable. It's fun. It's iconic.
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** Who put the bop in the bop-shoo-bop.
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**** Fuck em they'll die when magic dissapears from the world anyways. My stats justify the means.
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** Either the soldiers got to him, or, overcome by despair, he drank the water.
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*** Well there ''is'' that "Magicite Shard" item. Perhaps magicite is extremely rare, even rarer if the gem is whole, but there is still enough around the world for monsters and other things to learn weak magic by exposure?
* What happened to that ''other'' survivor of the Doma massacre? You know, the one who was on the balcony with Cyan when people started dropping dead, and set out to find survivors? How come we never hear from him again?
* What happened to that ''other'' survivor of the Doma massacre? You know, the one who was on the balcony with Cyan when people started dropping dead, and set out to find survivors? How come we never hear from him again?
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***** But did the espers really not feel emotion? Or did they simply keep their emotions in check to prevent them from losing control of their powers like Terra did?
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** Actually, lots of Kefka's lines really were changed, if only because the GBA didn't have the space constraints that the SNES cartridge had. Sure, "son of a sandworm" and "son of a submariner" are basically the same thing, but there are plenty of other changes, and even minor changes add up. Here's a few examples of what I mean:\\
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'''SNES Kefka''': Oho!! It's General Celes, the traitor! How delightful! This'll be fun!\\
'''GBA Kefka''': Oh...! If it isn't General Celes, the traitor! Excellent! Now I won't have to hunt you down later!\\
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'''SNES Kefka''': Now I fear you've outlived your usefulness...\\
'''GBA Kefka''': I have no business with you. I'm here to open the way to my promised glory!\\
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'''SNES Kefka''' You... vicious brat! Grrr... Aargh... I hate hate hate hate hate hate... hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate HATE YOU! Grrr...\\
'''GBA Kefka''': Ouch! B-blood... Blood! Blood!!! You vicious brat! Argh... Grrr...! You know, you really are a stupid... Vicious... Arrogant, whiny, pampered, backstabbing, worthless... LITTLE BRAT!!!\\
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'''SNES Kefka''': I will exterminate everyone, and everything!\\
'''GBA Kefka''': Embrace your destruction... It is the fate of all things.\\
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'''SNES Kefka''': Oho!! It's General Celes, the traitor! How delightful! This'll be fun!\\
'''GBA Kefka''': Oh...! If it isn't General Celes, the traitor! Excellent! Now I won't have to hunt you down later!\\
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'''SNES Kefka''': Now I fear you've outlived your usefulness...\\
'''GBA Kefka''': I have no business with you. I'm here to open the way to my promised glory!\\
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'''SNES Kefka''' You... vicious brat! Grrr... Aargh... I hate hate hate hate hate hate... hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate HATE YOU! Grrr...\\
'''GBA Kefka''': Ouch! B-blood... Blood! Blood!!! You vicious brat! Argh... Grrr...! You know, you really are a stupid... Vicious... Arrogant, whiny, pampered, backstabbing, worthless... LITTLE BRAT!!!\\
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'''SNES Kefka''': I will exterminate everyone, and everything!\\
'''GBA Kefka''': Embrace your destruction... It is the fate of all things.\\
