Follow TV Tropes

Following

History Headscratchers / FinalFantasy

Go To

OR

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** People have been crying RuinedForever about all the other things, too. BrokenBase is broken, and critics have always been quite vocal about hatred.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** Isn't FinalFantasy7 actually available on the Playstation Store right now? If anything, that's probably a safer bet given that FanHaters will try to make sure the game will sell no more than 4 copies since they judge a game ''solely'' off of a VocalMinority of FanDumb, and half the fanbase would [[NostalgiaFilter trash it and whine about it BECAUSE it's different]]. You do know that whenever Square-Enix and Nintendo are behind a remake of a demanded game, everyone is, at the same time, crying that they actually ''did'' remake it despite ''asking'' to have a remake. (Also, I have no idea if Enix actually would have any ''say'' over Final Fantasy.)

to:

** Isn't FinalFantasy7 actually available on the Playstation Store right now? If anything, that's probably a safer bet given that FanHaters {{Fan Hater}}s will try to make sure the game will sell no more than 4 copies since they judge a game ''solely'' off of a VocalMinority of FanDumb, and half the fanbase would [[NostalgiaFilter trash it and whine about it BECAUSE it's different]]. You do know that whenever Square-Enix and Nintendo are behind a remake of a demanded game, everyone is, at the same time, crying that they actually ''did'' remake it despite ''asking'' to have a remake. (Also, I have no idea if Enix actually would have any ''say'' over Final Fantasy.)
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Since JBM got renamed...


''This page is intended for JBM entries concerning the whole series or information that cross over multiple games of the series. For specific JBM entries, plese go to or create each game's own page''

to:

''This page is intended for JBM Headscratcher entries concerning the whole series or information that cross over multiple games of the series. For specific JBM Headscratcher entries, plese go to or create each game's own page''
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** Straw that broke the camel's back.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* With everything this franchise has gone through, such as [[FinalFantasyII a confusing level system]], [[FinalFantasyV insane difficulty]], [[FinalFantasyX an annoying mini-game]], [[FinalFantasyVII unneccesary spin-offs]], [[FinalFantasyVIII a time-consuming Junction system]], [[FinalFantasyXII an unneccesary Licensing system]], and an InNameOnly [[FinalFantasyTheSpritsWithin film adaptation]], how is it that the linearity of FinalFantasyXIII was what ultimately [[RuinedForever destroyed]] this franchise?

to:

* With everything this franchise has gone through, such as [[FinalFantasyII a confusing level system]], [[FinalFantasyV insane difficulty]], [[FinalFantasyX an annoying mini-game]], [[FinalFantasyVII unneccesary spin-offs]], [[FinalFantasyVIII a time-consuming Junction system]], [[FinalFantasyXII an unneccesary Licensing system]], and an InNameOnly [[FinalFantasyTheSpritsWithin [[FinalFantasyTheSpiritsWithin film adaptation]], how is it that the linearity of FinalFantasyXIII was what ultimately [[RuinedForever destroyed]] this franchise?
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* With everything this franchise has gone through, such as [[FinalFantasyII a confusing level system]], [[FinalFantasyV insane difficulty]], [[FinalFantasyX an annoying mini-game]], [[FinalFantasyVII unneccesary spin-offs]], [[FinalFantasyVIII a time-consuming Junction system]], [[FinalFantasyXII an unneccesary Licensing system]], and an InNameOnly [[FinalFantasyTheSpritsWithin film adaptation]], how is it that the linearity of FinalFantasyXIII was what ultimately [[RuinedForever destroyed]] this franchise?
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** They can't pick a number of legs for Sleipnir because Summoned Monsters are more about namedropping for the "wow" factor than mythological accuracy. Odin himself was never noted as a deer-horned, green-headed swordsman --he was a one-eyed bearded man who was more famous for his infallible spear, which has only shown up in three games so far as a "secondary" attack. The only resemblance between the Hindu Shiva and the FF Shiva is that the former is sometimes depicted with blue skin. Quetzalcoatl looked like a pale-skinned bearded priest, or the feathered serpent Gucumatz, not a shiny yellow version of ParasiteEve's Ultimate Being. And so on and so forth. Raging about Sleipnir's variable legs is just picking nits compared to the rest of the inaccuracies.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

****I think that I once watched a documentary on Final Fantasy and they said the reason it was called Final Fantasy was because since there company was going broke that game was there final chance.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
removed Wall Banger wicks


** The biggest WallBanger is when they said Nomura did the artwork for XII...Yeah I know. It doesn't even ''look'' like Nomura's art! WHY on EARTH would the ''FanDumb'' get that idea?!

to:

** The biggest WallBanger strangest thing is when they said Nomura did the artwork for XII...Yeah I know. It doesn't even ''look'' like Nomura's art! WHY on EARTH would the ''FanDumb'' get that idea?!



** Funny enough, I think around the time people realized Nomura wasn't involved in IX [[WallBanger they started liking it.]] Not all of them mind you, but there's a disturbing amount of people claiming Zidane's the best hero on the grounds of "He's not emo like Cloud or Squall."

to:

** Funny enough, I think around the time people realized Nomura wasn't involved in IX [[WallBanger they started liking it.]] it. Not all of them mind you, but there's a disturbing amount of people claiming Zidane's the best hero on the grounds of "He's not emo like Cloud or Squall."



** KingdomHearts: KudzuPlot, no WallBangers because everything makes sense as we go along. And how the [[FridgeLogic heck is it Nomura's fault if he's not even associated with a game in the first place?]] You're assigned to a project, you just don't come in and hijack it. Are you sure you've played any of the FinalFantasy games lately anyways? Because I've [[FinalFantasyXIII checked]] [[FinalFantasyXII all]] [[FinalFantasyX the]] [[FinalFantasyIX pages]] [[FinalFantasyX2 for]] the most recent FF games and there are no WallBangers listed.

to:

** KingdomHearts: KudzuPlot, no WallBangers wall bangers because everything makes sense as we go along. And how the [[FridgeLogic heck is it Nomura's fault if he's not even associated with a game in the first place?]] You're assigned to a project, you just don't come in and hijack it. Are you sure you've played any of the FinalFantasy games lately anyways? Because I've [[FinalFantasyXIII checked]] [[FinalFantasyXII all]] [[FinalFantasyX the]] [[FinalFantasyIX pages]] [[FinalFantasyX2 for]] the most recent FF games and there are no WallBangers wall bangers listed.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** There's another reason for why they're called ''FinalFantasy y'', as well: Brand Name Recognition. Why do you think they put similar packaging on related products? So you'd recognize it while browsing through the store - the same goes for Video games, too. (SaGa, WorldOfMana for one) They also put in advertisements, too. ("From the people who brought you ''FinalFantasy'' comes...Empire Palmecia!") You'd be surprised how many new franchises (brands) are ignored while the newest LegendOfZelda or CallOfDuty have people screaming about them on the internet the second they go into development. You just ''know'' that if Square-Enix decided to remake what would be FinalFantasy XV under a ''completely'' different title, that it wouldn't get ''half'' the hype it ''would'' be unless it was ''announced'' under ''FinalFantasy 15". (Heck, they could practically run an entire E3 lineup with nothing but new franchises that they're publishing and developing, and an expansion pack for ''FinalFantasyXIV'' and everyone would ''immediately'' fixate on the words with ''FinalFantasy''.)

to:

** There's another reason for why they're called ''FinalFantasy y'', as well: Brand Name Recognition. Why do you think they put similar packaging on related products? So you'd recognize it while browsing through the store - the same goes for Video games, too. (SaGa, WorldOfMana for one) They also put in advertisements, too. ("From the people who brought you ''FinalFantasy'' comes...Empire Palmecia!") You'd be surprised how many new franchises (brands) are ignored while the newest LegendOfZelda or CallOfDuty have people screaming about them on the internet the second they go into development. You just ''know'' that if Square-Enix decided to remake what would be FinalFantasy XV under a ''completely'' different title, that it wouldn't get ''half'' the hype it ''would'' be unless it was ''announced'' under ''FinalFantasy 15".15''. (Heck, they could practically run an entire E3 lineup with nothing but new franchises that they're publishing and developing, and an expansion pack for ''FinalFantasyXIV'' and everyone would ''immediately'' fixate on the words with ''FinalFantasy''.)
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


*** But ... wait. If all these games take place in the same world, just different places/times, how do they explain the different magic systems? In Vagrant Story using magic condemned your soul to an incomplete death and people fought for control of the Darkness, FF12 magic was powered by Mist and magicite, and FFT probably had its own system too. How do these conflicting magic systems work in a single world?

to:

*** But ... wait. If all these games take place in the same world, just different places/times, how do they explain the different magic systems? In Vagrant Story using magic condemned your soul to an incomplete death and people fought for control of the Darkness, FF12 [=FF12=] magic was powered by Mist and magicite, and FFT probably had its own system too. How do these conflicting magic systems work in a single world?



* Why has Final Fantasy 2 been made 3 times, despite the fact its the least liked FF game, while Square/Enix have refused to remake FF7, despite the possiblity of fixing the translation, dull first 6 hours and low diffactuly to make a truly awesome game? It would be like printing MOney. FF7 has gone out of print so yeah. They said they wouldn't remake it as long as the hardware existed, but FF2 was also on the Psx, and good nees knows more people wanted FF7 on the PSP than FF2 on the PSP. Does someone at Enix have a hard on for old school games with loads of grinding?

to:

* Why has Final Fantasy 2 been made 3 times, despite the fact its the least liked FF game, while Square/Enix have refused to remake FF7, [=FF7=], despite the possiblity of fixing the translation, dull first 6 hours and low diffactuly to make a truly awesome game? It would be like printing MOney. FF7 Money. [=FF7=] has gone out of print so yeah. They said they wouldn't remake it as long as the hardware existed, but FF2 [=FF2=] was also on the Psx, and good nees knows more people wanted FF7 [=FF7=] on the PSP than FF2 [=FF2=] on the PSP. Does someone at Enix have a hard on for old school games with loads of grinding?



** If Square remade FF7, they could single-handedly end the massive global recession. Easy. It would be like printing money, spending that money, and then printing some more money to spend while the previous money cycles back through the system and is acquired by folks. Add in some sidequests, give the whole damn game a graphical facelift on par with Playstation 3 graphics... that game will probably outsell every previous iteration. This troper, for instance, is an XBox fanboy through and through. However, if FF7 were remade, then this troper would DEFINITELY be buying a PS3 and the FF7 remix.

to:

** If Square remade FF7, [=FF7=], they could single-handedly end the massive global recession. Easy. It would be like printing money, spending that money, and then printing some more money to spend while the previous money cycles back through the system and is acquired by folks. Add in some sidequests, give the whole damn game a graphical facelift on par with Playstation 3 graphics... that game will probably outsell every previous iteration. This troper, for instance, is an XBox fanboy through and through. However, if FF7 [=FF7=] were remade, then this troper would DEFINITELY be buying a PS3 and the FF7 [=FF7=] remix.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

*** Dragonlance came first (''Dragons of Despair'' published in 1984, ''Final Fantasy I'' in 1987). A magic weapon called the Dragon Lance (or Dragon Whisker) appears in Final Fantasy II onwards, too.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

*** Maybe it's because their magic is around hurting people...like most fictional portrayal of black magic is, while White magic is about helping people?


Added DiffLines:

** Forget ''FinalFantasy7'' - what does Square-Enix have against ''FinalFantasyIII''?! It's gotten on more recommendation lists than ''II'', yet ''it'' never got released in a special edition package. All there is is just the DS remake, Cloud of Darkness and Onion Knight in Dissidia and...that's it.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** There's another reason for why they're called ''FinalFantasy y'', as well: Brand Name Recognition. Why do you think they put similar packaging on related products? So you'd recognize it while browsing through the store - the same goes for Video games, too. (SaGa, WorldOfMana for one) They also put in advertisements, too. ("From the people who brought you ''FinalFantasy'' comes...Empire Palmecia!") You'd be surprised how many new franchises (brands) are ignored while the newest LegendOfZelda or CallOfDuty have people screaming about them on the internet the second they go into development. You just ''know'' that if Square-Enix decided to remake what would be FinalFantasy XV under a ''completely'' different title, that it wouldn't get ''half'' the hype it ''would'' be unless it was ''announced'' under ''FinalFantasy 15". (Heck, they could practically run an entire E3 lineup with nothing but new franchises that they're publishing and developing, and an expansion pack for ''FinalFantasyXIV'' and everyone would ''immediately'' fixate on the words with ''FinalFantasy''.)
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* Ummmm, step into the Kingdom Hearts fandom for a bit. Nomura runs that project on his own, and the newer chapters of the story are riddled with exactly the kind of wall bangers we rag on him for in FF. In fact, it has even MORE wall bangers. It's definitely his fault.

to:

* ** Ummmm, step into the Kingdom Hearts fandom for a bit. Nomura runs that project on his own, and the newer chapters of the story are riddled with exactly the kind of wall bangers we rag on him for in FF. In fact, it has even MORE wall bangers. It's definitely his fault.
** KingdomHearts: KudzuPlot, no WallBangers because everything makes sense as we go along. And how the [[FridgeLogic heck is it Nomura's fault if he's not even associated with a game in the first place?]] You're assigned to a project, you just don't come in and hijack it. Are you sure you've played any of the FinalFantasy games lately anyways? Because I've [[FinalFantasyXIII checked]] [[FinalFantasyXII all]] [[FinalFantasyX the]] [[FinalFantasyIX pages]] [[FinalFantasyX2 for]] the most recent FF games and there are no WallBangers listed.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** So, you say you don't know much about economics, and you're criticising the economic decisions of a company 20 years ago that ended up saving the company. A bit of Monday morning quarterbacking, don't you think?\\\
Unless you actually do have a better idea for what they could have done, it's not your place to say they made the ''wrong'' choice, now is it?
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** While I can't remember the names, Odin has more than one horse that he rides. Sleipnir is just the only one that has more than 4 legs. Now as for Sleipnir only having 6 legs, I'm sure that's just because it looks cooler with only six. Think about Seeing im riding a horse with 8 lugs, and he's effectively riding a giant half horse half beetle, and doesn't look nearly as Badass.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* Square is having a hard time staying afloat, and are going bankrupt... and they decide that the best thing to do is ''throw every last cent they have left on what they are certain is their last game?'' I'm no expert on economics, but I'm pretty sure that if they were so sure they were doomed, that money could have gone toward something else. True, FFI was a hit and saved them, but they didn't know that then.









Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


----

to:

---- * Why can't they just pick a number of legs for Odin's horse? Sleipnir has 8 legs, not 6, not 4. I'm pretty sure nobody would be bothered by them sticking to 4 or 8 because 4 could just be them not doing the research. Then they put 6, you know they did the research, but they just didn't care. The fact that they change the legs from game to game makes it look like they're trying to be original while using references to Norse mythology.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:


* It just bugs me that Gilgamesh has yet to receive his own game. There's more than enough [[TheEpicOfGilgamesh source]] [[FinalFantasyV material]] to work with, and plenty of [[FanService cameos]] to go around.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** A common fan theory is that the different worlds are the same world in different dimensions, connected through the void. Would explain similarities as well as differences, PLUS the reappearances of Gilgamesh who was thrown into the void in FFV.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None



to:

** If Square/Enix did eventually decide to do a remake of FFVII, I wouldn’t be all that surprised if they decided to make it a multi-platform release ala FFXIII. It would also be a smart move on their part as it would effectively double their profits.

Added: 246

Changed: 1

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


*** It just bugs me how many people get this fact wrong. The game was not named for square's final game, but for the creator, Hironobu Sakaguchi's final game before leaving the game industry. Of course, the game's success changed that plan too.



----

to:

--------

Added: 298

Changed: 270

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None



to:

* Ummmm, step into the Kingdom Hearts fandom for a bit. Nomura runs that project on his own, and the newer chapters of the story are riddled with exactly the kind of wall bangers we rag on him for in FF. In fact, it has even MORE wall bangers. It's definitely his fault.


Added DiffLines:

** Also, the first game's title was a reference to breaking the Stable Time Loop, so it ran through the literal final fantasy (if you use 'fantasy' as a synonym for 'illusion' or 'surreality'). Fridge logic can apply this to other games (a Stable Time Loop breaking in VIII, the cycle of Sin in X).
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** The games are called 'Final Fantasy' because Square was on the verge of bankruptcy at the time, and threw the last of their budget into making one last game. That then turned them into a gaming powhouse. So, ironically, their 'Final Fantasy' literally saved the company.

to:

** The games are called 'Final Fantasy' because Square was on the verge of bankruptcy at the time, and threw the last of their budget into making one last game. That then turned them into a gaming powhouse.powerhouse. So, ironically, their 'Final Fantasy' literally saved the company.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** The games are called 'Final Fantasy' because Square was on the verge of bankruptcy at the time, and threw the last of their budget into making one last game. That then turned them into a gaming powhouse. So, ironically, their 'Final Fantasy' literally saved the company.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:


*It just bugs me how many people complain about each Final Fantasy game getting a number... "Isn't it the 'Final' Fantasy?" Hey, spoiler warning: The Never-ending Story ENDS!
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None



to:

*** Sounds more like the OP wants a specific character designed with Chemist abilities, not an enhanced Chemist job. Basically, in a game that doesn't have job switching, someone is a dedicated item user.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None



to:

** And since when is Cloud emo? He only gets depressed after [[spoiler: HIS GIRLFRIEND IS MURDERED RIGHT IN FRONT OF HIS EYES]]. Someone who stayed peppy after that would be a sociopath.

Top