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* In the first movie, the twist was that Alex [[spoiler: got the order wrong and Clear was supposed to die before him, because he was supposed to change seats and didn't]]. This makes no sense to me, because the fact that he didn't change seats [[spoiler: shouldn't affect the order at all; if he would have died before Clear if he'd changed seats, that means he would have been before her on the list.]]
* I have to question Death's omnipotence just a bit, since in the fourth movie, [[spoiler: Jonathan Groves]] doesn't die until he's been identified, implying that Death wasn't able to find him until then. So what, Death can't do something as simple as finding someone already on its list unless that person's name is publicly known? (and if that's the case, then cheating Death should be simple: everyone just changes their goddamn name...)
* I have to question Death's omnipotence just a bit, since in the fourth movie, [[spoiler: Jonathan Groves]] doesn't die until he's been identified, implying that Death wasn't able to find him until then. So what, Death can't do something as simple as finding someone already on its list unless that person's name is publicly known? (and if that's the case, then cheating Death should be simple: everyone just changes their goddamn name...)
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* Maybe it's death itself who's trying to prevent their deaths. This troper had this thought after seeing in two days the five films and read all the entries on this film here on tvtropes. What I mean is why would death be so anxious to claim some lives if it is always very busy, death isn't in such a hurry to claim pleople because we're going to die in one moment or another it doesn't matter if it's today, tomorrow or in seventy years or more, what if it's another kind of Eldritch Abomination who's messing with death's plan, why if it's another kind of entinty who's playing with the lives of the protagonists for unknown reasons whatsoever, because the deaths of the protagonists are utterly gruesome and unnatural. Of course there are nasty accidents and the such but even in those kind of accidents there are survivors in one way or another and maybe, just maybe death is the one trying to give them another opportunity. Why because they didn't have to die in that very moment. And that's something few people have considered after seeing these movies. Maybe it's death itself somehow fighting an Eldritch Abomination that is pulling the strings and death is trying to set up things right. Well this is this troper's humble opinion.
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** There's a bit of plausibility to this theory. In Final Destination 3's Choose Their Fate option, if you invert the coin toss, only Wendy and three of her friends never get on the rollercoaster. While the others died in the crash, the heroes seem to have gotten off Death's List, so it's possible that those four getting off were the ones Death gave a free pass to.
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* Why does no one ever decide to just royally screw with Death's plan as much as possible? As shown in two, there is a ripple effect (for the record, I DON'T like the 'the premonitions are a part of Death's plan' thing) that forces Death to try harder and harder to fix it. Since you're already on Death's hit list, why not try to say 'you screwed with me, I'll screw you right back' and mess up it's plan as much as you can?
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** The movie basically answers this at the end with the reveal that [[spoiler: the premonitions were part of Death's design along. Thus the people in the cinema were meant to live because they were meant to be saved by Nick. The next movie appears to ditch this theory however.]]
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*** Because maybe the guy getting the visions is the only one that could be spared, but he goes and saves other people by "mistake" so Death revokes his free pass too; you ever thought about it? Assuming Death sends the premonitions "ok guy, here is what I am planning to do; go ahead, run now and you get off this." That would be another premise for the franchise if they ever dared to explore it, it's not like these movies do bad at the box office anyways; have the main cast meet with someone who DIDNT warn anybody else. What bothers me about the franchise is that it drops the anvil too hard on the concept of death is inescapable; yeah I get it, everybody has to die someday, one day. What upsets me is that even tough i enjoy them as slashers, the premise is a good one for handling actual real life death. In not a single movie has there been survivors that acknowledge this inetability and actually tried to live a better life. It's very pessimistic because the underlying message is "since you can't scape death, give up already". the closest to a positive note in the whole franchise is the vision guy in the fifth, in contrast to the one in the first movie. The one in the first movie tried to hide away and started going crazy trying to actually cheat death, while the one in the fifth somewhat resigned but still tried to go on with his normal life.
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* Why do a lot of people assume Death is behind this? Why not the devil? The movies hint at Tony Todd's character being the devil behind it all. It makes sense for a devil to screw around with teenagers for amusement. The grim reaper has over a trillion dead people to attend to. He wouldn't have to toy with a bunch of teenagers. He would be too busy.
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* Why do a lot of people assume Death is behind this? Why not the devil? The movies hint at Tony Todd's character being the devil behind it all. It makes sense for a devil to screw around with teenagers for his twisted amusement. The grim reaper is not an evil creature.
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**** This troper recalls the whole "death by tanning beds" thing disproved on {{Mythbusters}}, and they wouldn't lie, would they? (And as for the above statement: death by liposuction machine? I don't know what that would look like, but I think I'd rather not know; it gives me the heebie jeebies just thinking about it!)
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**** This troper recalls the whole "death by tanning beds" thing disproved on {{Mythbusters}}, Series/{{Mythbusters}}, and they wouldn't lie, would they? (And as for the above statement: death by liposuction machine? I don't know what that would look like, but I think I'd rather not know; it gives me the heebie jeebies just thinking about it!)
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****Death only goes after them because he has to. Them remaining alive upset his other plans. The characters that survived in the second film were supposed to die during events in the first (Kat was on the bus that killed Terry, with Terry dying the bus was delayed and she missed dying at the bed and breakfast). That's not to mention whose fate the second movie survivors might have influenced and so on and so on. Death is basically stuck doing this until he kills off anyone whose original plan was thrown off.
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** Because the writer was inspired by the ''TwilightZone'' episode "Twenty-two" and wanted to expand the story into a full length movie.
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*** WordOfGod has stated several times that it is most likely an opposite force sending them premonitions. Keep that in mind. FD4's ending is often misinterpreted.
Assuming another force is working against Death (because if Death exists in the form of a somewhat concious force another force representing Life has to be present as well although it hasn't been adressed in the franchise), the opposite force is trying to save all these people by giving premonitions to a certain individual who would be able to save the biggest number of souls. And in this film, the speedway crash premonition was assumingly sent by the second force, "Life". However, after that, (assuming Death and Life have the same ability of sending premonitions) Death has been tricking them and sending them false visions that would ultimately lead them into being where it wanted them to die. Why it only did this in TFD I do not know however.
I guess it should be noted that not all premonitions after the main accident were false or misleading since everyone did die by the clues given to Nick in the "mini visions" throughout the film. So the "it was the plan for us to be here since the beginning" thing coulf have easily meant that Death had planned to kill them in the Cafe all along but it doesn't really mean they weren't supposed to die at the speedway originally because the entire franchise is centered around CHEATING Death and it had been noted that Death hates the survivors passionately.
Both Jeffrey Reddick and James Wong have said they believe that there are two forces working against each other throughout the franchise so I'm also subscribing to this theory.
Assuming another force is working against Death (because if Death exists in the form of a somewhat concious force another force representing Life has to be present as well although it hasn't been adressed in the franchise), the opposite force is trying to save all these people by giving premonitions to a certain individual who would be able to save the biggest number of souls. And in this film, the speedway crash premonition was assumingly sent by the second force, "Life". However, after that, (assuming Death and Life have the same ability of sending premonitions) Death has been tricking them and sending them false visions that would ultimately lead them into being where it wanted them to die. Why it only did this in TFD I do not know however.
I guess it should be noted that not all premonitions after the main accident were false or misleading since everyone did die by the clues given to Nick in the "mini visions" throughout the film. So the "it was the plan for us to be here since the beginning" thing coulf have easily meant that Death had planned to kill them in the Cafe all along but it doesn't really mean they weren't supposed to die at the speedway originally because the entire franchise is centered around CHEATING Death and it had been noted that Death hates the survivors passionately.
Both Jeffrey Reddick and James Wong have said they believe that there are two forces working against each other throughout the franchise so I'm also subscribing to this theory.
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misinterpreted. Assuming another force is working against Death (because if Death exists in the form of a somewhat concious force another force representing Life has to be present as well although it hasn't been adressed in the franchise), the opposite force is trying to save all these people by giving premonitions to a certain individual who would be able to save the biggest number of souls. And in this film, the speedway crash premonition was assumingly sent by the second force, "Life". However, after that, (assuming Death and Life have the same ability of sending premonitions) Death has been tricking them and sending them false visions that would ultimately lead them into being where it wanted them to die. Why it only did this in TFD I do not know however.
however. I guess it should be noted that not all premonitions after the main accident were false or misleading since everyone did die by the clues given to Nick in the "mini visions" throughout the film. So the "it was the plan for us to be here since the beginning" thing coulf have easily meant that Death had planned to kill them in the Cafe all along but it doesn't really mean they weren't supposed to die at the speedway originally because the entire franchise is centered around CHEATING Death and it had been noted that Death hates the survivors passionately.
passionately. Both Jeffrey Reddick and James Wong have said they believe that there are two forces working against each other throughout the franchise so I'm also subscribing to this theory.
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*** WordOfGod has stated several times that it is most likely an opposite force sending them premonitions. Keep that in mind. FD4's ending is often misinterpreted.
Assuming another force is working against Death (because if Death exists in the form of a somewhat concious force another force representing Life has to be present as well although it hasn't been adressed in the franchise), the opposite force is trying to save all these people by giving premonitions to a certain individual who would be able to save the biggest number of souls. And in this film, the speedway crash premonition was assumingly sent by the second force, "Life". However, after that, (assuming Death and Life have the same ability of sending premonitions) Death has been tricking them and sending them false visions that would ultimately lead them into being where it wanted them to die. Why it only did this in TFD I do not know however.
I guess it should be noted that not all premonitions after the main accident were false or misleading since everyone did die by the clues given to Nick in the "mini visions" throughout the film. So the "it was the plan for us to be here since the beginning" thing coulf have easily meant that Death had planned to kill them in the Cafe all along but it doesn't really mean they weren't supposed to die at the speedway originally because the entire franchise is centered around CHEATING Death and it had been noted that Death hates the survivors passionately.
Both Jeffrey Reddick and James Wong have said they believe that there are two forces working against each other throughout the franchise so I'm also subscribing to this theory.
Assuming another force is working against Death (because if Death exists in the form of a somewhat concious force another force representing Life has to be present as well although it hasn't been adressed in the franchise), the opposite force is trying to save all these people by giving premonitions to a certain individual who would be able to save the biggest number of souls. And in this film, the speedway crash premonition was assumingly sent by the second force, "Life". However, after that, (assuming Death and Life have the same ability of sending premonitions) Death has been tricking them and sending them false visions that would ultimately lead them into being where it wanted them to die. Why it only did this in TFD I do not know however.
I guess it should be noted that not all premonitions after the main accident were false or misleading since everyone did die by the clues given to Nick in the "mini visions" throughout the film. So the "it was the plan for us to be here since the beginning" thing coulf have easily meant that Death had planned to kill them in the Cafe all along but it doesn't really mean they weren't supposed to die at the speedway originally because the entire franchise is centered around CHEATING Death and it had been noted that Death hates the survivors passionately.
Both Jeffrey Reddick and James Wong have said they believe that there are two forces working against each other throughout the franchise so I'm also subscribing to this theory.
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** The directors initially were going to have all of the deaths look like accidents or suicides but decided against it after filming To'd death.
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* The youngest character to die in the series was Tim in FD 2 but what about the infant that was onboard Flight 180 in the first movie?
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****That has more to do with the directing and story-telling; if you notice Death tries to cover its tracks with Tod and Val Lewton and only in the first movie. It was originally intended for Death to act this way but the directors decided against it after those two scenes were filmed.
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***** Even more riddiculous, ridiculous, the guy in the novels who gets killed by being sliced up with [=CDS=] and [=DVDs=] being fired at high speed from players. As in slicing through his spine, neck, and neatly cutting his hand off. I wish to call bullshit on this.
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*** Disagree. The premonitions themselves are expressly made out to be the sole catalysts for the deviation from Death's plan. Any ominous clues or signs the characters see would already exist within said plan. Hence someone getting creeped out by the "I'll see you soon" sign outside the Devil's Flight and refusing to go on it would not be put on Death's list. If there's no premonition then it was meant to happen.
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*** Disagree. The premonitions themselves are expressly made out to be the sole catalyst for the deviation from Death's plan. Any ominous clues or signs the characters see would already exist within his plan, at least before the disaster occurs. Hence someone getting creeped out by the "I'll see you soon" sign outside the Devil's Flight and refusing to go on it would not be put on Death's list.
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*** Disagree. The premonitions themselves are expressly made out to be the sole catalyst for the deviation from Death's plan. Any ominous clues or signs the characters see would already exist within his plan, at least before the disaster occurs. Hence someone getting creeped out by the "I'll see you soon" sign outside the Devil's Flight and refusing to go on it would not be put on Death's list.
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*** Not necessarily. [[spoilers Does anyone on Death's list actually survive the 5th movie- and is there any evidence that the "kill for a life" method actually works? It could have easily been Death's plan for Sam and Molly to die on Flight 180 and the 5th film was just getting them there.]]
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*** This troper agrees. Fire appeared to be literally shooting out of the bulbs, much like an incinerator, rather than igniting the girls themselves, which is a complete impossibility for standard tanning bulbs. Chalk it up to RuleOfScary I suppose.
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* So how come Nick wasn't rewarded or something for preventing the mall from being destroyed?
