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** To expand on the explanation: In the original continuity, Servants are Heroic Spirits who are summoned from the the Throne of Heroes, a sort of databank beyond space and time (or rather, before the beginning of space and time, but Akasha is not relevant here) that stores the souls of these beings. These souls are recognized as "perfect" and "unchangeable" by being accepted into the Throne of Heroes, so even if they are summoned and dismissed, they are stripped from the actual memories of their deeds (though it is implied that they have information of them... it's complicated). The Servants in this game, however, are not summoned but reconstructed by the Moon Cell's Serial Phantasm (a reality marble of sorts) based on the data recorded in the Automaton. This is why they have access to information normal heroic souls wouldn't be and why they can be modified by both the system and the masters to some degree... In short, they are not actual heroic spirits, only virtual copies.
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** Maybe that's why they are looking so ridiculous? I mean, as far as we know Gatou could be a businessman in his forties who made his avatar in the image of what he thought to be a cool monk would be, while Ronnie is.. well, crazy. It would actually explain the haphazard choice of clothes and whatnot...
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** Quite frankly, I think the reason Saber Nero is female is because the developers wanted to reuse Saber's character design and thought, "Hey, the original Saber was a [[GenderFlip gender-flipped]] KingArthur, so let's have this Saber be a gender-flipped Nero even if it makes no sense and will have no importance for the character!" What I don't understand is why they didn't give Saber Nero a feminized version of her real name, like Nera or something.
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*** Was the ghost in the machine line really just a translation error, or a case of ThrowItIn? It doesn't matter either way, obviously, but it seems oddly specific for just a cock-up.
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*** Wait, so he was male in life, and because he had a vague ego-based gender dysphoria, ended up as a sexy female as a Servant? Despite being famous as (and actually) a mildly overweight male? ...I feel so ''unclean'' having found hir attractive.



** If I remember correctly, the Japanese version mentions that ([[spoiler: "Francis Drake"]]) was a real man, who was a lover of Elizabeth I, and switched places with her. So because all of the actions that were attributed to ([[spoiler: "Francis Drake"]]) were those of the Queen, she is technically the Heroic Spirit.

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** If I remember correctly, the Japanese version mentions that ([[spoiler: "Francis Drake"]]) was a real man, who was a lover of Elizabeth I, and switched places with her. So because all of the actions that were attributed to ([[spoiler: "Francis Drake"]]) were those of the Queen, she is technically the Heroic Spirit.Spirit.
*** So, I modify my question then. How did ''[[spoiler: Queen Elizabeth I]]'' manage to end up in the history books, as the male Francis Drake, without making any attempt at hiding gender and a figure that is incredibly improbable to hide?
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** Nero does mention that she considers herself to be equally male and female, so that could have something to do with it.

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** Nero Red Saber does mention that she considers herself to be equally male and female, so that could have something to do with it.



** If I remember correctly, the Japanese version mentions that "Francis Drake" was a real man, who was a lover of Elizabeth I, and switched places with her. So because all of the actions that were attributed to "Francis Drake" were those of the Queen, she is technically the Heroic Spirit.

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** If I remember correctly, the Japanese version mentions that ([[spoiler: "Francis Drake" Drake"]]) was a real man, who was a lover of Elizabeth I, and switched places with her. So because all of the actions that were attributed to ([[spoiler: "Francis Drake" Drake"]]) were those of the Queen, she is technically the Heroic Spirit.

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* Similarly, how is Rider Extra ([[spoiler: aka Francis Drake]]). Again, how did she somehow hide her gender without, y'know, hiding her gender, in a period with decent contemporary records

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**Nero does mention that she considers herself to be equally male and female, so that could have something to do with it.
* Similarly, how is Rider Extra ([[spoiler: aka Francis Drake]]). Again, how did she somehow hide her gender without, y'know, hiding her gender, in a period with decent contemporary recordsrecords
**If I remember correctly, the Japanese version mentions that "Francis Drake" was a real man, who was a lover of Elizabeth I, and switched places with her. So because all of the actions that were attributed to "Francis Drake" were those of the Queen, she is technically the Heroic Spirit.
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** That's the scene. The Protagonist's reaction is "note to self, never piss off Caster".

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** That's the scene. The Protagonist's reaction is "note to self, never piss off Caster".Caster".
* Saber Extra ([[spoiler: Aka Nero Caesar]]). Okay, Regular Saber makes sense to have been gender-flipped, her hiding it was a plot and characterization point, and her legend was purely oral for a thousand years, five hundred of which are known for poor recordkeeping. But Saber Extra didn't hide it at all, and there were no less than two historians ([[spoiler: Tacitus and Suetonius]]) who wrote about her extensively within a century, in a period known for good recordkeeping. How did it somehow not come down to the present?
* Similarly, how is Rider Extra ([[spoiler: aka Francis Drake]]). Again, how did she somehow hide her gender without, y'know, hiding her gender, in a period with decent contemporary records

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* I've been watching a LetsPlay of Caster, and[[spoiler: I'm trying to figure out when she brings up her...[[GroinAttack Castration fist technique.]]]] I recall a scene in your private room where she's practicing Martial arts and all(in a really scary voice too). Is that it?

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* I've been watching a LetsPlay of Caster, and[[spoiler: I'm trying to figure out when she brings up her...[[GroinAttack Castration fist technique.]]]] I recall a scene in your private room where she's practicing practising Martial arts and all(in a really scary voice too). Is that it?it?
** That's the scene. The Protagonist's reaction is "note to self, never piss off Caster".
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** It's actually a case of the translators screwing up. The "just a memory" comment was because they believe that you'll die (and thus are irrelevant). The "ghost in the machine" line was simply a complete screw-up.

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** It's actually a case of the translators screwing up. The "just a memory" comment was because they believe that you'll die (and thus are irrelevant).irrelevant except as a memory). The "ghost in the machine" line was simply a complete screw-up.
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** It's actually a case of the translators screwing up. The "just a memory" comment was because they believe that you'll die (and thus are irrelevant). The "ghost in the machine" line was simply a complete screw-up.
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** Likely the former, since the Holy Grail War in this universe runs on completely different rules from the original.

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** Likely the former, since the Holy Grail War in this universe runs on completely different rules from the original.original.
* I've been watching a LetsPlay of Caster, and[[spoiler: I'm trying to figure out when she brings up her...[[GroinAttack Castration fist technique.]]]] I recall a scene in your private room where she's practicing Martial arts and all(in a really scary voice too). Is that it?
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* So Extra Caster [[spoiler: Remembers competing in, and winning a previous Grail War? How is that possible? Does the Moon Cell not follow the usual rule of Servants not remembering being summoned before, or does her status as an aspect of Amaterasu (basically a goddess) make her immune to the previous rules?]] I'm pretty curious about this.

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* So Extra Caster [[spoiler: Remembers competing in, and winning a previous Grail War? How is that possible? Does the Moon Cell not follow the usual rule of Servants not remembering being summoned before, or does her status as an aspect of Amaterasu (basically a goddess) make her immune to the previous rules?]] I'm pretty curious about this.this.
** Likely the former, since the Holy Grail War in this universe runs on completely different rules from the original.
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** It's possible that they're hackers specialized in information gathering (their non-unique appearance probably means they're not powerful ones, though). The MCs semi-unique appearance as well as some of the other discrepancies would have struck them as odd, which meant they studied the MCs more closely, which lead to them guessing the MCs are virtual ghosts. The others didn't notice because they're focused on the War and their respective opponents.

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** It's possible that they're hackers specialized in information gathering (their non-unique appearance probably means they're not powerful ones, though). The MCs semi-unique appearance as well as some of the other discrepancies would have struck them as odd, which meant they studied the MCs more closely, which lead to them guessing the MCs are virtual ghosts. The others didn't notice because they're focused on the War and their respective opponents.opponents.
*So Extra Caster [[spoiler: Remembers competing in, and winning a previous Grail War? How is that possible? Does the Moon Cell not follow the usual rule of Servants not remembering being summoned before, or does her status as an aspect of Amaterasu (basically a goddess) make her immune to the previous rules?]] I'm pretty curious about this.
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*** Not really, if the characters are to be believed. Your avatar might be altered to a certain extent like the Protagonists', but it's clearly a conscious choice for the others: Shinji's abilities as a hacker (one assumes they mean spirit hacker, since it's implied that everyone except you came as magi) are noted when they talk about customizing his avatar, Julius is mentioned as having hacked Kuzuki's profile, presumably including the associated avatar's appearance (unless you think said teacher ''always'' wore that coat), and Rin's blonde hair in real life is unlikely to have changed to black in the Moon Cell unless she did it intentionally. Rin (and Rani, in her path) says that a magi's avatar is determined by aptitude, but that doesn't mean their avatar automatically molds to their chosen form. Advanced magi like Rin and Leo can make avatars that are perfect copies of their real selves, while most others are stuck with normal avatars because they lack the skill to manipulate the virtual world; the exceptions are like Alice, who lacked the limitations of a physical body and could customize her 'avatar' without the constraints of a real-world counterpart. Even if Ronnie and Gatou were powerful magi they'd still have to intentionally shape their avatars, which seems a little unlikely given their apparent inability to focus on anything but their respective obsessions.
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** Magical hacking still depends on the number of Magical Circuits you have. Which is why it's magical hacking... and not, you know, regular hacking. The mana depletion caused regular magecraft to die out, but it was replaced by spiritual hacking and other methods of using magical circuits. The avatars are probably determined by your skill in customization and your level of circuits.
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* How do some of the other Masters, specifically the boy on the second floor by the classrooms (who talks about being there to gather data) and the girl by classroom 1-A seem to know about you being a digital ghost, or at least something like it? They call you "just a memory" and "the ghost in the machine" as soon as the War begins, long before you realize there's anything weird about yourself besides the amnesia thing.

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* How do some of the other Masters, specifically the boy on the second floor by the classrooms (who talks about being there to gather data) and the girl by classroom 1-A seem to know about you being a digital ghost, or at least something like it? They call you "just a memory" and "the ghost in the machine" as soon as the War begins, long before you realize there's anything weird about yourself besides the amnesia thing.thing.
** It's possible that they're hackers specialized in information gathering (their non-unique appearance probably means they're not powerful ones, though). The MCs semi-unique appearance as well as some of the other discrepancies would have struck them as odd, which meant they studied the MCs more closely, which lead to them guessing the MCs are virtual ghosts. The others didn't notice because they're focused on the War and their respective opponents.
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* How do some of the other Masters, specifically the boy on the second floor by the classrooms (who talks about being there to gather data) and the girl by classroom 1-A seem to know about you being a digital ghost, or at least something like it? They call you "just a memory" and "the ghost in the machine" as soon as the War begins, long before you realize there's anything weird about yourself besides the amnesia thing.
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*** It's implied that Assassin knows that you are there; he's amused and wants to see what you can do.

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*** It's implied that Assassin knows that you are there; he's amused and wants to see what you can do.do.
*** Yes, the OP made it clear that Assassin knew about the stalking; the core of the question is still "Seriously, the Black Scorpion is unaware of you guys?" and "Also the walls are transparent." It seems unlikely the walls are only transparent to the player since your Servant will remark on the levels in ways that imply the corridors are translucent: In example, Archer's comment about the next stage being an ice castle is made on a level where the castle would only be visible if the walls are actually see-through. It just seems odd that your random protag and their non-Assassin Servant could avoid the detection of a trained assassin, though Julius ''does'' seem aggravated after dealing with Rin/Rani and might not be as alert as he'd normally be.
*** It's also implied that Julius isn't a mage, or at least he's not a good one: When he kills people it's physical, and when you show Leo the lapel pin he says that the pin connected Julius to the Harway databanks and avoided the need for Julius to be a skilled mage. If magic talent influences your ability in the Moon Cell, Julius' lack thereof could explain why he didn't see Rin (a talented magi) coming, why he couldn't kill Rin/Rani (a magical construct) in the fifth week, and why he seems to have a hard time detecting your Servant (while spying on him and Assassin, Julius being surprised to survived Assassin in the sealed space as if he didn't know your Servant intervened). So Assassin knows you're there but he's having too much fun to spoil the game, and Julius is losing his cool enough to let it impact his already less-than-stellar mystic abilities.
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** The lack of shadows is likely a limitation of the PSP's hardware, and even if the walls are transparent (it's also possible that they're only transparent to the players, not the characters), you're usually still out of their line of sight. Also, Julius always struck me as being rather careless, afflicted with a bad case of tunnel vision or simply not being very good at sensing things (he doesn't notice Rin, who should have been in his line of sight, until she introduces herself during the fake Bad End after the second week).

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** The lack of shadows is likely a limitation of the PSP's hardware, and even if the walls are transparent (it's also possible that they're only transparent to the players, not the characters), you're usually still out of their line of sight. Also, Julius always struck me as being rather careless, afflicted with a bad case of tunnel vision or simply not being very good at sensing things (he doesn't notice Rin, who should have been in his line of sight, until she introduces herself during the fake Bad End after the second week).week).
*** It's implied that Assassin knows that you are there; he's amused and wants to see what you can do.
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** The lack of shadows is likely a limitation of the PSP's hardware, and even if the walls are transparent (it's also possible that they're only transparent to the players, not the characters), you're usually still out of their line of sight. Also, Julius always struck me as being rather careless, afflicted with a bad case of tunnel vision or simply not being very good at sensing things (he doesn't notice Rin, who should have been in his line of sight, until she introduces herself during the fake Bad End after the second week).
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* While stalking Julius and Assassin to discover the source of Assassin's invisibility, you and you Servant "hide in the shadows" to remain unseen. There are no shadows in the field, you're restricted to the actual map which means you can't hide outside of the walls and occasional plateaus (which lack large rocks or other features), and the walls themselves ''are transparent''. [[FridgeLogic How are these trained killers failing to see you?]]

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* While stalking Julius and Assassin to discover the source of Assassin's invisibility, you and you Servant "hide in the shadows" to remain unseen. There are no shadows in the field, you're restricted to the actual map which means you can't hide outside of the walls and occasional plateaus (which lack large rocks or other features), and the walls themselves ''are transparent''. [[FridgeLogic How are these trained killers failing to see you?]]you?]] Or perhaps more to the point, since it's implied Assassin knows you're there, how does the Protagonist (and their Servant) think that these transparent walls are going to conceal them?
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* While stalking Julius and Assassin to discover the source of Assassin's invisibility, you and you Servant "hide in the shadows" to remain unseen. There are no shadows in the field, you're restricted to the actual map which means you can't hide outside of the walls and occasional plateaus (which lack large rocks or other features), and the walls themselves ''are transparent''. [[FridgeLogic How are these trained killers failing to see you, much less detect you?]]

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* While stalking Julius and Assassin to discover the source of Assassin's invisibility, you and you Servant "hide in the shadows" to remain unseen. There are no shadows in the field, you're restricted to the actual map which means you can't hide outside of the walls and occasional plateaus (which lack large rocks or other features), and the walls themselves ''are transparent''. [[FridgeLogic How are these trained killers failing to see you, much less detect you?]]
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* While stalking Julius and Assassin to discover the source of Assassin's invisibility, you and you Servant "hide in the shadows" to remain unseen. There are no shadows in the field, you're restricted to the actual map which means you can't hide outside of the walls and occasional plateaus (which lack large rocks or other features), and the walls themselves ''are transparent''. [[FridgeLogic How are these trained killers failing to see you, much less detect you?]]
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*** It's not as if they don't have time later, though; regardless of how you do have to prep for your current opponent, it's unlikely you don't have time to hunt for info in the library during the subsequent weeks. That said, the later opponents generally require you to fight them in the Arena (and survive, obviously) in order to gather data, so having to do the same with Gawain as opposed to just reading up on him isn't unusual.

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*** It's not as if they don't have time later, though; regardless of how you do have to prep for your current opponent, it's unlikely you don't have time to hunt for info in the library during the subsequent weeks. That said, the later opponents generally require you to fight them in the Arena (and survive, obviously) in order to gather data, so having to do the same with Gawain as opposed to just reading up on him isn't unusual.unusual.
* Regular Masters have the 'generic Master' template, and the MC's slight difference is a sign of their being MoreThanMeetsTheEye. They also say that only powerful hackers are capable of altering their avatars, which makes sense for Rin, Leo, presumably Rani and Julius, ect. Does this mean the MonsterClown and the non-denominational ChurchMilitant are capable of taking time out from their psychoses to so heavily customize their appearance within the Moon Cell?
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*** It's not as if they don't have time later, though; regardless of how you do have to prep for your current opponent, it's unlikely you don't have time to hunt for info in the library during the subsequent weeks. That said, the later opponents generally require you to fight them in the Arena (and survive, obviously) in order to gather data, so having to do the same with for Gawain as opposed to just reading up on him isn't unusual.

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*** It's not as if they don't have time later, though; regardless of how you do have to prep for your current opponent, it's unlikely you don't have time to hunt for info in the library during the subsequent weeks. That said, the later opponents generally require you to fight them in the Arena (and survive, obviously) in order to gather data, so having to do the same with for Gawain as opposed to just reading up on him isn't unusual.

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**** Well, the protagonist does look up on him a bit if you go to the library after Leo tells you, but that's just his character biography. Also, the protagonist is busy with Shinji at the time, and since Leo isn't their opponent, why bother looking further when they might never fight him at all? At that point, they're still pretty weak, so all their attention is probably focused just on surviving that first week.

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**** *** Well, the protagonist does look up on him a bit if you go to the library after Leo tells you, but that's just his character biography. Also, the protagonist is busy with Shinji at the time, and since Leo isn't their opponent, why bother looking further when they might never fight him at all? At that point, they're still pretty weak, so all their attention is probably focused just on surviving that first week.week.
*** It's not as if they don't have time later, though; regardless of how you do have to prep for your current opponent, it's unlikely you don't have time to hunt for info in the library during the subsequent weeks. That said, the later opponents generally require you to fight them in the Arena (and survive, obviously) in order to gather data, so having to do the same with for Gawain as opposed to just reading up on him isn't unusual.
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*** Won't it still tell you a vast amount about them such as temperament, style and relations with other Servants? Unlike Shinji, Leo doesn't see any need to hide books so it should be easy to go to the library and look up this person.

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*** Won't it still tell you a vast amount about them such as temperament, style and relations with other Servants? Unlike Shinji, Leo doesn't see any need to hide books so it should be easy to go to the library and look up this person.person.
**** Well, the protagonist does look up on him a bit if you go to the library after Leo tells you, but that's just his character biography. Also, the protagonist is busy with Shinji at the time, and since Leo isn't their opponent, why bother looking further when they might never fight him at all? At that point, they're still pretty weak, so all their attention is probably focused just on surviving that first week.
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** Because you only know his name. The protagonist was way too busy with everything to have time to research someone they didn't expect to fight. Also, a name won't tell you how someone fights or what their skills are.

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** Because you only know his name. The protagonist was way too busy with everything to have time to research someone they didn't expect to fight. Also, a name won't tell you how someone fights or what their skills are.are.
*** Won't it still tell you a vast amount about them such as temperament, style and relations with other Servants? Unlike Shinji, Leo doesn't see any need to hide books so it should be easy to go to the library and look up this person.
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* Why is it that even though you know the identity of Leo's Servant practically from the start of the War you don't get a major boost to the Matrix?

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* Why is it that even though you know the identity of Leo's Servant practically from the start of the War you don't get a major boost to the Matrix?Matrix?
** Because you only know his name. The protagonist was way too busy with everything to have time to research someone they didn't expect to fight. Also, a name won't tell you how someone fights or what their skills are.

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