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** Grindelwald might have also been sympathetic towards Tina acting against the Second Salem group, since he is trying to get wizards to take over the world. He might regret that Tina is probably going to have to be sacrificed even though he would otherwise try to win her over to his cause.
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** Try to remember that America was a very young country. You didn't have wizarding families who had the kinds of Medieval pedigrees that you saw in places like Britain. In fact, the oldest wizarding bloodlines would have been Native American. This is reflected by how multiracial MACUSA was despite the ''heavy'' segregation of races among No-Maj's at the time. The MACUSA President was an ''African-American woman!'' Since even muggleborns can manifest magic without a wand (as Lily Potter nee Evans and her son Harry did), it is doubtful that MACUSA just ignored them since they could break The Masquerade without even meaning to. As for Ilvermorny, we have no idea how large it really is. Remember that wizards can create extradimensional spaces. The school could easily be the size of a large university. That said, there was at least one reference in ''Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire'' to the "Salem Witches Institute". Maybe the U.S. has private magical schools in addition to Ilvermorny?
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*** Comment had nothing to do with how plausible it is that Grindelwald thinks in English. My issue is the idea that Queenie couldn't read Grindelwald's mind to discover that he's not the real Graves because he thinks in German/has a thick accent when he thinks. Those things alone would have given him away as not being the American wizard he claims to be. Hence Queenie not knowing the truth only makes sense if she just can't read his mind at all.

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*** Comment had nothing to do with how plausible it is that Grindelwald thinks in English. My issue is the idea that Queenie couldn't read Grindelwald's mind to discover that he's not the real Graves because he thinks in German/has a thick accent when he thinks. Those things alone would have given him away as not being the American wizard he claims to be. be (at the very least it would have suggested something is up, since German is not a language that most Americans know or would be expected to know.) Hence Queenie not knowing the truth only makes sense if she just can't read his mind at all.
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**** Comment had nothing to do with how plausible it is that Grindelwald thinks in English. My issue is the idea that Queenie couldn't read Grindelwald's mind to discover that he's not the real Graves because he thinks in German/has a thick accent when he thinks. Those things alone would have given him away as not being the American wizard he claims to be. Hence Queenie not knowing the truth only makes sense if she just can't read his mind at all.
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** Because he needs the magical suitcase with its Muggle-vision switch in order to get past customs, and to be able to access and care for his creatures consistently and conveniently. And something as big as an erumpent wouldn't be contained inside a normal suitcase if it ever made it out of the inner, magical one. That's why it's important for Newt to have the magical case within easy reach at all times, so he can latch it shut immediately when it comes undone.
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** It's also noteworthy that, in-universe, the Graves family is one of great historical significance to the magical community in America, having spawned many notable figures since the time of the Pilgrims and their ilk. Even an Englishman like Newt could've easily heard something about the feats and characteristics of the actual Percival Graves in his lifetime, especially considering the reputation Aurora are known to possess -- it's not that impossible to buy into. He probably didn't ''know'' that "Graves" really was an imposter, but in a world where impersonating someone is this simple, it's still a good idea for him to check, given the circumstances.

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** The wand chooses the wizard. This troper has always held that the Elder Wand switches allegiance when it wants to, or finds a more powerful or appealing wizard to ally with.

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*** He also waited to hit that person with a spell before making off with it, which is how he earned the wand's allegiance. It's more than just picking it up and taking it -- you have to do something to overpower its previous Master, which Tina didn't do to Grindelwald.
** The wand chooses the wizard. This troper has always held that the Elder Wand switches allegiance when it wants to, or finds a more powerful or appealing wizard to ally with.
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*** No it's not. Grindelwald himself acquired the wand through burglary and theft, picking up the Elder Wand where Gregorovitch had put it down for the night.


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*** Jossed in that Grindelwald was not released, but escaped, and took possession of the Elder Wand (but not ownership of it by taking it from Newt/Tina).


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*** Tina literally took the wand from where Grindelwald had dropped it, same way that Grindelwald did from Gregorovitch.


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*** Grindelwald himself stole the wand from someone who had willingly put it down.
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*** Credence and Modesty are only siblings through adoption; they aren't actually related to each other, as is made clear during the second film.
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*** I was born and live in a Spanish-speaking country and three-quarters of my everyday thoughts are in English. So yeah, it's not at all implausible.


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** Credence has a sister about five years younger than him. Evidently he lived with his parents long enough for them to give birth to Modesty, and when he was adopted he had seen enough magic to know that he was a wizard. If they were adopted shortly after Modesty's birth, that also explains why ''she'' didn't turn into an Obscurial, because ''she'' never learned that she was a witch.
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** It might be a reference to something, and it might come into play later, but my ''guess'' is that it's supposed to sound ominous to Newt. Kind of a "You got me arrested and so you're responsible for what happens to wizard kind after this." "Will we die. just a little?" ''could'' be translated to say "we" as in wizard kind. As in: Will wizards die, just a little?
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** Let's think this through. Okay, so Tina gets dismissed as an Auror after she goes to the house of the boy Grindlegraves is using to find an Obscurus and has an altercation with a No-Maj woman. Both he and Tina believe him to be a No-Maj at this point, and neither have any clue that he's the Obscurus they're after. As pointed out in the Crimes of Grindlewald page, Grendlewald doesn't care about No-majs any more than they are useful to him. If EvilCannotComprehendGood in his case, he might see Tina trying to help Credence as her poking around at his master plan, and might think she's a bigger threat than she is. Not for nothing, but this makes him more likely to go to her office later to verify what's going on ''and'' it helps explain why he didn't worry about Newt when it was revealed that Newt's suitcase full of magical beasts is MIA, because when he figures out the current mission has nothing to do with Credence, he breathes a sigh of relief and lets Tina do whatever she wants as long as it keeps her away from Credence.
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*** This is how I thought of it. When Draco got the wand from Dumbledore, Dumbledore died before the wand was picked up again. It's possible that Dumbledore wouldn't have lost control of the wand if he had lived, because he's the most powerful wizard and the wand may '''want''' to stay with him. The only reason it went to Draco in this theory is that Dumbledore '''couldn't''' possess it again. When Harry disarmed Draco, it was an average wizard being disarmed by another average (or maybe the wand thought of Harry as powerful) wizard. So, it swaps the loyalty a little more easily, because at worst, one average wizard isn't more preferable than another average wizard, or at best, the wand went from an average wizard to a stronger one. In this theory, it could make sense that Grindlewald retained possession of the wand by being disarmed by a witch or wizard (depending on who exactly "defeated" him) that was less likely to give the Elder Wand the lifestyle it'd gotten used to and )possibly) enjoyed.
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*** This is confirmed in the second film -- MACUSA kept Grindelwald incarcerated for sixth months before the ICW stepped in and demanded that he be transferred overseas to be tried for his crimes in Europe, despite the objections of Madame Picquery. She probably ''would've'' had him executed if she didn't have her hands tied into doing otherwise, as she knew he was too powerful to be transferred over safely.
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** Credence does mention that the half-elf's name was on the adoption papers, so presumably yes, she was the one Mary Lou met with when she took him in. What isn't clear is how much she was made aware of Credence's history, considering the Lestrange servant was posing as the grandmother of Corvus and Leta on their voyage to America.
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** The script definitely hints that his discomfort is genuine - seeing as he's something of an all-seeing eye when it comes to criminal behavior, maybe someone he knew gave Grindelwald some information that helped him perform a KillAndReplace on Graves, and Gnarlack caught wind of this? Or maybe Gnarlack himself gave Grindelwald the information. Either way, the implication is that he knows Graves isn't who he's pretending to be, and that there's something or someone involved that Gnarlack isn't content with snitching on.


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* The one he makes to Newt after he's been arrested - "Will we die, just a little?" What is that supposed to mean? Is it in reference to something notable?
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** If this helps, you can look at American views of Muggles as being similar to Salazar Slytherin's reasons for disliking them (due to feelings of mistrust, owing to the time period he lived in), and not the ideology his views were warped into by future members of his house (which was just plain racism).
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** Whelp, reading the screenplay actually cleared this up. There, the bird on the seal is identified as an eagle - the flames beneath it are just to symbolize the witch burnings of ancient times.
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* Just after Tina is dismissed from the Major Investigation Department by Madam Picquery, we see Graves watch her go with a look of concern on his face. The screenplay even identifies him as the only one out of the group who has this reaction. But why? If he's supposed to be Grindelwald in disguise, why is he showing a genuine sign of empathy for a random ex-Auror when there isn't anyone to notice it? Especially when he later insults her by pointing out how she's always interfering in matters where she isn't wanted?
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** Well, in the original scrip there's no mention of her greeting him like there's a grudge or anything. It's only when he's about to remind her that she's no longer an Auror that she gets irritated with him. (The script doesn't actually clarify that that's what he's about to say when he's cut off, but it's fairly clear from context.)
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** There's also the fact that supporting material has revealed that the real Percival Graves is a friend and correspondent of Newt's older brother Theseus. If Theseus and Newt are close, Newt might be going off his elder brother's description of his friend, or the fact that Theseus is unlikely to approve of, let alone actually ''like'' someone of Grindlewald's beliefs.

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** There's also the fact that supporting material has revealed that the real Percival Graves is a friend and correspondent of Newt's older brother Theseus. If Theseus and Newt are close, Newt might be going off his elder brother's description of his friend, or the fact that Theseus is unlikely to approve of, let alone actually ''like'' someone of Grindlewald's Grindelwald's beliefs.



** Major Spoiler ahead: [[spoiler: Graves is Grindlewald. There is zero reason why he would let our protagonists come within shouting distance of his ostensible boss, procedure be damned. As such, Picquery would have been told something along the lines of "unfortunately, he died trying to release an Obscurus from his case as an escape attempt" once he could speak without fear of contradiction. That interrogation was a formality to decide what excuse Grindlewald could use to get rid of a catastrophic nuisance. Also the executioner lackeys were probably Imperiused (No reason to risk the lackeys refusing to cooperate otherwise).]]

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** Major Spoiler ahead: [[spoiler: Graves is Grindlewald.Grindelwald. There is zero reason why he would let our protagonists come within shouting distance of his ostensible boss, procedure be damned. As such, Picquery would have been told something along the lines of "unfortunately, he died trying to release an Obscurus from his case as an escape attempt" once he could speak without fear of contradiction. That interrogation was a formality to decide what excuse Grindlewald Grindelwald could use to get rid of a catastrophic nuisance. Also the executioner lackeys were probably Imperiused (No reason to risk the lackeys refusing to cooperate otherwise).]]



** While the Imperius angle does explain away the assistants (though I'm annoyed this was never made clear), the explanation does seem to have a flaw or two in explaining Graves' plan. Graves/Grindlewald was intent on killing Newt and Tina, that much is certain. However, if there *was* a procedure for MACUSA executions, Graves was most certainly flouting it: even at its worst times, America has never made an official practice of drumhead-trial-to-execution in a matter of minutes on flimsy evidence and no oversight. So essentially, Graves is extra-judicially executing two suspects, but via the ordinary execution method. If he was going to claim they tried to escape, he could have Avada Kedavra'ed them right on the spot as soon as they were alone. Them actually escaping is also implausible, as somehow two wandless suspects managed to overpower an exceedingly strong wizard and escape without a trace from a building crawling with Aurors. The only explanation he would have for MACUSA afterwards would be that he tried the suspects and found them guilty, and then executed them all on his own authority. Assuming he doesn't legally have that terrifying level of delegated power, he'd essentially be ruining his own cover.
** Considering he's close to finding the Obscurus, and MACUSA has just blatantly refused to acknowledge that such a thing even exists, does he even ''need'' the Graves identity at this point? In the beginning, certainly, it was probably the best position from which to find out about the most likely people to produce an Obscurus and make sure MACUSA didn't become suspicious, but given that he has narrowed things down to the Barebone children at this point and knows MACUSA don't suspect a thing, he might have decided that it was worth the risk to get rid of the threat to his plans. Possibly this was how he planned to dispose of the real Graves too, as if he were to be found after Grindlewald had made his escape, he would be suitably disgraced and thus his claims of what had happened to him might be dismissed as the ravings of a guilty man using all means to escape his sentence. Or, if Graves is already dead, he can just leave the corpse lying around somewhere and leave the city quietly with no-one suspecting Grindlewald had anything to do with it.

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** While the Imperius angle does explain away the assistants (though I'm annoyed this was never made clear), the explanation does seem to have a flaw or two in explaining Graves' plan. Graves/Grindlewald Graves/Grindelwald was intent on killing Newt and Tina, that much is certain. However, if there *was* a procedure for MACUSA executions, Graves was most certainly flouting it: even at its worst times, America has never made an official practice of drumhead-trial-to-execution in a matter of minutes on flimsy evidence and no oversight. So essentially, Graves is extra-judicially executing two suspects, but via the ordinary execution method. If he was going to claim they tried to escape, he could have Avada Kedavra'ed them right on the spot as soon as they were alone. Them actually escaping is also implausible, as somehow two wandless suspects managed to overpower an exceedingly strong wizard and escape without a trace from a building crawling with Aurors. The only explanation he would have for MACUSA afterwards would be that he tried the suspects and found them guilty, and then executed them all on his own authority. Assuming he doesn't legally have that terrifying level of delegated power, he'd essentially be ruining his own cover.
** Considering he's close to finding the Obscurus, and MACUSA has just blatantly refused to acknowledge that such a thing even exists, does he even ''need'' the Graves identity at this point? In the beginning, certainly, it was probably the best position from which to find out about the most likely people to produce an Obscurus and make sure MACUSA didn't become suspicious, but given that he has narrowed things down to the Barebone children at this point and knows MACUSA don't suspect a thing, he might have decided that it was worth the risk to get rid of the threat to his plans. Possibly this was how he planned to dispose of the real Graves too, as if he were to be found after Grindlewald Grindelwald had made his escape, he would be suitably disgraced and thus his claims of what had happened to him might be dismissed as the ravings of a guilty man using all means to escape his sentence. Or, if Graves is already dead, he can just leave the corpse lying around somewhere and leave the city quietly with no-one suspecting Grindlewald Grindelwald had anything to do with it.



** By the same logic, maybe he just got sloppy? Grindlewald is very close to winning here - the only reason he ''didn't'' get exactly what he wanted and get out of dodge was his own miscalculation in dismissing Credence as a Squib. As such, he isn't expecting to be around long enough for it to matter. He's been posing as Graves with no-one noticing for at least a couple of months, maybe anything up to a year, maybe he just got complacent about no-one asking questions because no-one has suspected anything so far.
** Alternatively, this is the American counterpart to Barty Crouch Sr's 'extreme measures' brought in to combat Voldemort in the 70s and early 80s, which allowed for killing rather than capture of suspected Death Eaters. While the implication there is of a kill in combat, this is fifty years earlier and times have changed. (This is true even in the Muggle world, as it was a lot quicker and easier to execute people back in the 1920s than it is today, even in countries which still have the death penalty.) It's also entirely possible that this too was introduced by Grindlewald in the guise of Graves (who seems to be the American equivalent of the head of magical law enforcement, which might explain his absurd levels of power), in order to make it easier for him to silence anyone who might suspect something amiss with his cover/interfere with his search for the Obscurus.

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** By the same logic, maybe he just got sloppy? Grindlewald Grindelwald is very close to winning here - the only reason he ''didn't'' get exactly what he wanted and get out of dodge was his own miscalculation in dismissing Credence as a Squib. As such, he isn't expecting to be around long enough for it to matter. He's been posing as Graves with no-one noticing for at least a couple of months, maybe anything up to a year, maybe he just got complacent about no-one asking questions because no-one has suspected anything so far.
** Alternatively, this is the American counterpart to Barty Crouch Sr's 'extreme measures' brought in to combat Voldemort in the 70s and early 80s, which allowed for killing rather than capture of suspected Death Eaters. While the implication there is of a kill in combat, this is fifty years earlier and times have changed. (This is true even in the Muggle world, as it was a lot quicker and easier to execute people back in the 1920s than it is today, even in countries which still have the death penalty.) It's also entirely possible that this too was introduced by Grindlewald Grindelwald in the guise of Graves (who seems to be the American equivalent of the head of magical law enforcement, which might explain his absurd levels of power), in order to make it easier for him to silence anyone who might suspect something amiss with his cover/interfere with his search for the Obscurus.



** Remember that the Death Cell potion doesn't just kill, it ''disintegrates'' the condemned. Grindle-Graves wasn't just eliminating his enemies, he was destroying evidence. Had the execution proceeded as planned, he'd probably have Confounded the executioners into thinking Newt had escaped with Tina's help, sicced the Aurors on the "escaped fugitives" to divert their attention, and gone on to capture his new pet Obscurial uninterrupted.

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** Remember that the Death Cell potion doesn't just kill, it ''disintegrates'' the condemned. Grindle-Graves Grindel-Graves wasn't just eliminating his enemies, he was destroying evidence. Had the execution proceeded as planned, he'd probably have Confounded the executioners into thinking Newt had escaped with Tina's help, sicced the Aurors on the "escaped fugitives" to divert their attention, and gone on to capture his new pet Obscurial uninterrupted.



* The wizarding government of America doesn't bat an eye at summary executions (even of their own employees) and was perfectly willing to kill a troubled child they believed was under ten years of age. Why would they even bother trying to imprison [[spoiler:Grindlewald]], especially when he mocks the idea that they can hold him right to their faces?
** Because, repressive as MACUSA may be, they hold the Statute of Secrecy almost sacred, and Grindlewald wants to bring it crashing down around their ears? Also, given that said summary execution was ordered by Graves, who is [[spoiler: Grindlewald himself]], and the two attendants were almost unnaturally calm throughout the whole thing, this can be read as an indication of the Imperius Curse having been used on them. It's entirely possible that Graves intended to simply have the two of them killed, and then claim they had escaped, as the American wizards' mode of execution doesn't seem to leave a body, allowing him to continue using them as scapegoats while preventing them from interfering with his plans.

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* The wizarding government of America doesn't bat an eye at summary executions (even of their own employees) and was perfectly willing to kill a troubled child they believed was under ten years of age. Why would they even bother trying to imprison [[spoiler:Grindlewald]], [[spoiler:Grindelwald]], especially when he mocks the idea that they can hold him right to their faces?
** Because, repressive as MACUSA may be, they hold the Statute of Secrecy almost sacred, and Grindlewald Grindelwald wants to bring it crashing down around their ears? Also, given that said summary execution was ordered by Graves, who is [[spoiler: Grindlewald Grindelwald himself]], and the two attendants were almost unnaturally calm throughout the whole thing, this can be read as an indication of the Imperius Curse having been used on them. It's entirely possible that Graves intended to simply have the two of them killed, and then claim they had escaped, as the American wizards' mode of execution doesn't seem to leave a body, allowing him to continue using them as scapegoats while preventing them from interfering with his plans.



** The guy [[spoiler:used Polyjuice to impersonate their top Auror]]. Polyjuice only works if the person being impersonated is still alive. They may simply want to try and find out where [[spoiler: the original Graves]] is before they kill Grindlewald.

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** The guy [[spoiler:used Polyjuice to impersonate their top Auror]]. Polyjuice only works if the person being impersonated is still alive. They may simply want to try and find out where [[spoiler: the original Graves]] is before they kill Grindlewald.Grindelwald.



** [[spoiler: Grindelwald]] had been involved in terrorist activity on European soil before crossing over to America - being forced to kill him while in the heat of battle is one thing, but once they've gotten him captured and subdued without a casualty, they probably have an obligation to alert the magical communities of Europe that he's been apprehended so they can take part in deciding his punishment. It's basically the difference between, say, Osama Bin Laden's death and the Nuremberg trials, for example. (Also, it was Graves himself who'd issued the death penalty upon Newt and Tina, with the implication that he had the aides who were to carry it out under the Imperius Curse - I sincerely doubt that the death penalty is used nearly so often as that scene would imply.)

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** [[spoiler: Grindelwald]] had been involved in terrorist activity on European soil before crossing over to America - being America--being forced to kill him while in the heat of battle is one thing, but once they've gotten him captured and subdued without a casualty, they probably have an obligation to alert the magical communities of Europe that he's been apprehended so they can take part in deciding his punishment. It's basically the difference between, say, Osama Bin Laden's death and the Nuremberg trials, for example. (Also, it was Graves himself who'd issued the death penalty upon Newt and Tina, with the implication that he had the aides who were to carry it out under the Imperius Curse - I sincerely doubt that the death penalty is used nearly so often as that scene would imply.)



** Possibly he'd intended to torture Newt into submission, then demand that the magizoologist (who's already admitted to having studied Obscuri) tell him how to catch Credence alive. Capturing dangerous exotic creatures is Newt's specialty, after all, and Grindlegraves' own methods had already proved ineffective.

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** Possibly he'd intended to torture Newt into submission, then demand that the magizoologist (who's already admitted to having studied Obscuri) tell him how to catch Credence alive. Capturing dangerous exotic creatures is Newt's specialty, after all, and Grindlegraves' Grindelgraves' own methods had already proved ineffective.



* Newt makes a pretty good point when he asks what on Earth anyone would want an Obscurus for. It's an uncontrollable, incredibly destructive entity that's just as likely to kill ''you'' than it is anyone else. What precisely were [[spoiler:Grindlewald's]] plans for the Obscurus? The only explanation I could think of is [[spoiler:Grindlewald's]] gigantic ego make him think he could control it.

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* Newt makes a pretty good point when he asks what on Earth anyone would want an Obscurus for. It's an uncontrollable, incredibly destructive entity that's just as likely to kill ''you'' than it is anyone else. What precisely were [[spoiler:Grindlewald's]] [[spoiler:Grindelwald's]] plans for the Obscurus? The only explanation I could think of is [[spoiler:Grindlewald's]] [[spoiler:Grindelwald's]] gigantic ego make him think he could control it.
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** Or they were a little more mature in their fifth year - [[FridgeBrilliance maybe one of Umbridge's Educational Decrees banned writing in books]].

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** Or they were a little more mature in their fifth year - -- [[FridgeBrilliance maybe one of Umbridge's Educational Decrees banned writing in books]].



** In RealLife this book was released between ''Goblet'' and ''Order'' (not to take away the validity of the above headscratchers, just pointing it out to anyone who doesn't know)

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** In RealLife this book was released between ''Goblet'' and ''Order'' (not to take away the validity of the above headscratchers, just pointing it out to anyone who doesn't know)know).



* According to the book, the creature known as the Hidebehind was the result of a trafficked Demiguise escaping confinement and then mating with a ghoul during its voyage to America. But it seems that pairing only resulted in one offspring - so how did the species survive long enough to become a species? The Demiguise is native to the Far East, and ghouls typically take up residence in the attics of Muggle homes. With whom did that first Hidebehind manage to procreate with?

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* According to the book, the creature known as the Hidebehind was the result of a trafficked Demiguise escaping confinement and then mating with a ghoul during its voyage to America. But it seems that pairing only resulted in one offspring - so how did the species survive long enough to become a species? The Demiguise is native to the Far East, and ghouls typically take up residence in the attics of Muggle homes. With whom did that first Hidebehind manage to procreate with?procreate?
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** If they didn't Obliviate him there during the storm, the Aurors would probably have gone to round him up for it later. Just because they're not watching them that second doesn't mean they aren't still a presence in New York and wouldn't be able to find Jacob and make sure he was dealt with.
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** Yes, the tropers get it. The question is about ''before'' the law was repealed.
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** ...Because it's not suspicious at all for an ostensibly American Wizard to think in German or some language other than English? The Occlumency explanation is the only reasonable one.
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** It's possible that terms like "Muggle" and "No-Maj" are merely commonly-accepted slang in their respective areas and the wording of laws uses more official terms ("non-magical persons", say).
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** As of Crimes of Grindelwald, the specific use is made clear: To kill [[spoiler: Albus Dumbledore since a Blood Pact prevents them from fighting directly.]] Though he would probably be useful for intimidation and assassination in general.
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** Okay, but horses ''were'' widespread in America by the time those states were founded. If the national seal is going to have a bird on it, it feels like it should at least be a bird from that nation, not one hailing from an extremely specific region halfway across the globe.
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** The wand chooses the wizard. This troper has always held that the Elder Wand switches allegiance when it wants to, or finds a more powerful or appealing wizard to ally with.

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