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** It seemed well directed, it just fell into that sweet spot where its too much to fit into one episode comfortably, but not enough to make two episodes out of without a ton of filler.
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* Was the Season Finale originally intended to be two episodes? Because the entire episode felt extremely rushed and poorly directed. To me, anyway.
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*** It's possible that Manchester would only allow Porter to take out a patrol if he led it. Or, see the above where Porter joined the patrol to greet the 2nd Mass.
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** I didn't see a particular lack of men in uniform there.
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** Uh, crippling manpower shortages? More likely the soldiers found Hal and crew and brought them to Porter, who realized that the 2nd Mass was out there and decided to take out a group to meet them.

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** Uh, crippling manpower shortages? More likely the soldiers found Hal and crew and brought them to Porter, who realized that the 2nd Mass was out there and decided to take out a group to meet them. It would certainly explain why the rest of his patrol was dressed for the job and he wore only his uniform.

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* why was a full bird Colonel out on a patrol?

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* why Why was a full bird Colonel out on a patrol?patrol?
** Uh, crippling manpower shortages? More likely the soldiers found Hal and crew and brought them to Porter, who realized that the 2nd Mass was out there and decided to take out a group to meet them.
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** I didn't get the impression they were taking a different route until they had a breakdown. They were riding ahead of the convoy to scout out the road and find a clear passage for the main group, but had to take a detour to see to their radiator. If they were taking a different route, then it would have been to scout out the surrounding area for signs of aliens or for alternate routes the convoy can take.
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* In "Death March", if Hal, Maggie and Pope are the sole advance scout, why are they taking a different road from the main convoy?
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** Agreed, the Skitters seem like they're... individuals, perhaps is the best term, not a species of insects willing to ZergRush. Still, it would rather suck for humans if the Skitters were like [[Warhammer40K Orks,]] where fighting is literally all they live for.

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** Agreed, the Skitters seem like they're... individuals, perhaps is the best term, not a species of insects willing to ZergRush. Still, it would rather suck for humans if the Skitters were like [[Warhammer40K [[TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}} Orks,]] where fighting is literally all they live for.



** Load carrying and terrain are two possible reasons.

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** Load carrying and terrain are two possible reasons.



* Jimmy's character (He's the thirteen year old fighter) is beginning to bug me. One of the first (if not the first) things we see of him is when he screws up a seemingly basic recon mission by trying to save a dog from a Mech. In the same episode, Weaver says he's a good fighter. In Sanctuary, Jimmy is on watch with another character, and their post gets hit by a Mech. Jimmy does nothing; he doesn't return fire, he doesn't make any real effort to help his comrade, he retreats into the school on the verge of tears, where he is attacked by a skitter. Despite having multiple chances to attack and fight back, he doesn't (he does fire into the air when he is grabbed by it and the skitter lets go. But since the skitter probably doesn't want to kill him, it letting go probably had less to do with him getting hit or being afraid and more to do with just trying to get a better angle on him so he can capture him.) He then shows an ineptness in the field of firearms when his gun stops firing bullets and he seems to think its jammed, despite the fact that its very obviously just ran out of ammo, and reloading and firing could've killed the Skitter. In the finale, he helps free Tom by distracting the guard long enough for Tom to get his hands on him. while Tom and the guard are fighting he...stands there watching, instead of using his gun to pacify the guard, either by threatening him with it or hitting him with the butt of the gun. Instead, he chooses to leave for a few seconds to get Hal, putting Tom (and untrained, albeit combat hardened history professor) against the Lieutenant who was guarding him (an Army ranger, if I remember correctly.) This is despite the fact that earlier in the episode, Jimmy was apparently so integral to the inner workings of the second mass that he was with Weaver and the Lieutenant in what seemed to be a private strategy meeting. I guess what I'm saying is that, despite the show telling us otherwise, Jimmy has shown to be an inept and undisciplined soldier. Its really disappointing to me because I was really excited for Jimmy's character (Children and growing up is a main theme of the show, so if he was an alien killing badass it would've really added some depth to some subplots).

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* Jimmy's character (He's the thirteen year old fighter) is beginning to bug me. One of the first (if not the first) things we see of him is when he screws up a seemingly basic recon mission by trying to save a dog from a Mech. In the same episode, Weaver says he's a good fighter. In Sanctuary, Jimmy is on watch with another character, and their post gets hit by a Mech. Jimmy does nothing; he doesn't return fire, he doesn't make any real effort to help his comrade, he retreats into the school on the verge of tears, where he is attacked by a skitter. Despite having multiple chances to attack and fight back, he doesn't (he does fire into the air when he is grabbed by it and the skitter lets go. But since the skitter probably doesn't want to kill him, it letting go probably had less to do with him getting hit or being afraid and more to do with just trying to get a better angle on him so he can capture him.) He then shows an ineptness in the field of firearms when his gun stops firing bullets and he seems to think its jammed, despite the fact that its very obviously just ran out of ammo, and reloading and firing could've killed the Skitter. In the finale, he helps free Tom by distracting the guard long enough for Tom to get his hands on him. while Tom and the guard are fighting he...stands there watching, instead of using his gun to pacify the guard, either by threatening him with it or hitting him with the butt of the gun. Instead, he chooses to leave for a few seconds to get Hal, putting Tom (and untrained, albeit combat hardened history professor) against the Lieutenant who was guarding him (an Army ranger, if I remember correctly.) This is despite the fact that earlier in the episode, Jimmy was apparently so integral to the inner workings of the second mass that he was with Weaver and the Lieutenant in what seemed to be a private strategy meeting. I guess what I'm saying is that, despite the show telling us otherwise, Jimmy has shown to be an inept and undisciplined soldier. Its really disappointing to me because I was really excited for Jimmy's character (Children and growing up is a main theme of the show, so if he was an alien killing badass it would've really added some depth to some subplots).



** OP here. I used that answer to justify his existence at first too, but then i remembered that there are 100 fighters and 300 non-combatants, some of which are able bodied adults. So...what? there are adults there who just don't want to fight and they'll let some little kid take their place? it seems like Weaver or Tom might take offense to this. Also, i don't think they train anybody (after all, they probably can't spare much ammunition for firing practice and hand to hand combat doesn't benefit anybody when the enemy is...well, an alien) so it isn't like if they replaced Jimmy with an able bodied adult that they lose someone with training. Also, who decided that it was okay for him to be a fighter? He's an orphan (not sure if they ever said it or not, but i think its obvious) so it isn't like his parents said it was okay. and i have to question the leadership of the 2nd Mass if Weaver passed up drafting adults so he can have a kid as a fighter. Hell, i'm not even sure if he can use a rifle properly; his arms might not be long enough for him to put the butt to his shoulder, he probably has to tuck it between his arms. What i'm trying to say is that him being a fighter only makes sense if he's competent at it. There seem to be people who could replace him, and they probably should, because the only thing he's ever done (on screen) is put people in danger. it may be really emotional to see a kid with a gun, fighting for his life and planet, but in the context we've been given it just brings up a lot of questions.

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** OP here. I used that answer to justify his existence at first too, but then i remembered that there are 100 fighters and 300 non-combatants, some of which are able bodied adults. So...what? there are adults there who just don't want to fight and they'll let some little kid take their place? it seems like Weaver or Tom might take offense to this. Also, i don't think they train anybody (after all, they probably can't spare much ammunition for firing practice and hand to hand combat doesn't benefit anybody when the enemy is...well, an alien) so it isn't like if they replaced Jimmy with an able bodied adult that they lose someone with training. Also, who decided that it was okay for him to be a fighter? He's an orphan (not sure if they ever said it or not, but i think its obvious) so it isn't like his parents said it was okay. and i have to question the leadership of the 2nd Mass if Weaver passed up drafting adults so he can have a kid as a fighter. Hell, i'm not even sure if he can use a rifle properly; his arms might not be long enough for him to put the butt to his shoulder, he probably has to tuck it between his arms. What i'm trying to say is that him being a fighter only makes sense if he's competent at it. There seem to be people who could replace him, and they probably should, because the only thing he's ever done (on screen) is put people in danger. it may be really emotional to see a kid with a gun, fighting for his life and planet, but in the context we've been given it just brings up a lot of questions.



** I think it was said that he was a reservist, meaning he was technically in the military when it happened, but he stayed at his own home and reported for duty like a normal job.

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** I think it was said that he was a reservist, meaning he was technically in the military when it happened, but he stayed at his own home and reported for duty like a normal job.



** Working electronics is hard to come by even considering that some of them may have been shielded at the time of the attack.

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** Working electronics is hard to come by even considering that some of them may have been shielded at the time of the attack.



** Tom can travel over 600 miles from (the very closest part of) Michigan to Boston, with nary a Skitter to bother him. Why not lead the 2nd Mass back to that wide open area with no Skitters?

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** Tom can travel over 600 miles from (the very closest part of) Michigan to Boston, with nary a Skitter to bother him. Why not lead the 2nd Mass back to that wide open area with no Skitters? Skitters?
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* Where do you find a DShK in New England?

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* Where do you find a DShK [=DShK=] in New England?



*** It appears that a DShK can pierce mech armor, unless it was in fact loaded with those rounds. Earlier in the premier the characters mention using a Barret .50 to set up an ambush and imply that a .50 can penetrate the armor.

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*** It appears that a DShK [=DShK=] can pierce mech armor, unless it was in fact loaded with those rounds. Earlier in the premier the characters mention using a Barret .50 to set up an ambush and imply that a .50 can penetrate the armor.
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**** True but thats better than just leaving the planet after it becomes too much to handle. If you were in the position of the aliens would you just abandon a planet full of pissed off sentient lifeforms who's very existence now revolves around getting into space and fucking up your shit?

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*** Not if most of their resources are tied up with the Earth campaigns. The Second Mass can't be an isolated incident, and resistance groups have been confirmed elsewhere in America, so surely there must be worldwide resistance, requiring more resources than the aliens can spare right now.

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*** Not if most of their resources are tied up with the Earth campaigns. The Second Mass can't be an isolated incident, and resistance groups have been confirmed elsewhere in America, so surely there must be worldwide resistance, requiring more resources than the aliens can spare right now.



** I had assumed that the real reason for the invasion was to remove a potential rival or threat AKA [[HumansAreWarriors those nasty apes]] that occasionally like to kill each other and everything else that looks at them funny. Lets face it invading a planet full of violent and sentient creatures for resources you can find anywhere else is just plain stupid. This is a problem I had with Battle:LA. "Oh noes they is here for our water!!!!" What have they never heard of comets?

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**Possibly saving their materials for their higher caliber rounds that would be more effective at taking down a Mech. The 50 Cal machine gun in particular.
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* Why are the "Mech bullets" conspicuously absent, even though fighters routinely fire hundreds of rounds at the Mechs?
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* Where do you find a DShK in New England?

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* Small problem I had with the American Revolution anology: Tom repeatedly talks about making a big enough problem for the invaders was what will drive them away, same as the American Revolution. Except one teeny, tiny, problem with that: [[CriticalResearchFailure That isn't how the war ended,]] the British left because while they were establishing their empire, they pissed off the French, Spanish, and a good few other equally powerful empires, who promptly pushed them into Canada. So is that Tom's plan? Wait until ''other'' equally powerful and possibly also evil Alien empires decides to get revenge on the Skitters for some wrong they did to them? Because otherwise, as sad as it is, Pope would be right, being a pain in their invaders ass will just repeat the Indian wars: Thousands of more Sitters will come and KillThemAll.

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* Small problem I had with the American Revolution anology: Tom repeatedly talks about making a big enough problem for the invaders was what will drive them away, same as the American Revolution. Except one teeny, tiny, problem with that: [[CriticalResearchFailure That isn't how the war ended,]] the British left because while they were establishing their empire, they pissed off the French, Spanish, and a good few other equally powerful empires, who promptly pushed them into Canada. So is that Tom's plan? Wait until ''other'' equally powerful and possibly also evil Alien empires decides to get revenge on the Skitters for some wrong they did to them? Because otherwise, as sad as it is, Pope would be right, being a pain in their invaders ass will just repeat the Indian wars: Thousands of more Sitters Skitters will come and KillThemAll.


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*** The aliens' goal isn't entirely clear yet, but it involves harnessing the children. Carpet bombing the planet into oblivion would destroy the very thing they came for.
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*** The 2nd doesn't want to go where there are no Skitters; they want to go where they can fight Skitters.


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*** Picked clean every drop he could conceivably find.


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*** Her mother was just killed, after an alien invasion wiped out the better part of humanity. Chances are she's too traumatized to even speak very much.
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** Tom can travel over 600 miles from (the very closest part of) Michigan to Boston, with nary a Skitter to bother him. Why not lead the 2nd Mass back to that wide open area with no Skitters?
** Where did he get gas for the bike?
** The girl waited until they got to Boston to talk to him about... anything?
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* So from somewhere in Michigan back to Boston... you think he crossed the Great Lakes to Canada, or did he go south through Ohio?
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*** A bicycle, however, has a much more limited range. I scout would have to spend all day on a bike to see and report what he can on a motorcycle. He'll also be tired after a long day's ride, which is detrimental to his ability as a scout. And the mechs haven't been actively hunting the humans; they only set up ambushes in places like grocery stores and armories so as to catch the humans who try to raid those places. Otherwise, the aliens only ever bothered to go after the humans when they know where they are.

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*** A bicycle, however, has a much more limited range. I A scout would have to spend all day on a bike to see and report what he can on a motorcycle. He'll also be tired after a long day's ride, which is detrimental to his ability as a scout. And the mechs haven't been actively hunting the humans; they only set up ambushes in places like grocery stores and armories so as to catch the humans who try to raid those places. Otherwise, the aliens only ever bothered to go after the humans when they know where they are.
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*** A bicycle, however, has a much more limited range. I scout would have to spend all day on a bike to see and report what he can on a motorcycle. He'll also be tired after a long day's ride, which is detrimental to his ability as a scout. And the mechs haven't been actively hunting the humans; they only set up ambushes in places like grocery stores and armories so as to catch the humans who try to raid those places. Otherwise, the aliens only ever bothered to go after the humans when they now where they are.

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*** A bicycle, however, has a much more limited range. I scout would have to spend all day on a bike to see and report what he can on a motorcycle. He'll also be tired after a long day's ride, which is detrimental to his ability as a scout. And the mechs haven't been actively hunting the humans; they only set up ambushes in places like grocery stores and armories so as to catch the humans who try to raid those places. Otherwise, the aliens only ever bothered to go after the humans when they now know where they are.
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*** A bicycle, however, has a much more limited range. I scout would have to spend all day on a bike to see and report what he can on a motorcycle. He'll also be tired after a long day's ride, which is detrimental to his ability as a scout. And the mechs haven't been actively hunting the humans; they only set up ambushes in places like grocery stores and armories so as to catch the humans who try to raid those places. Otherwise, the aliens only ever bothered to go after the humans when they now where they are.
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** Or he might have made it through out of sheer luck. I wouldn't be even remotely surprised if the areas around Fort Bragg, Camp Pendelton and other places you will find special forces units are considered hellholes by the skitters because the some of the guys responsible for training and initiating insurrections before the invasion survived.
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** I was wondering that too. One of the reasons the United States lost the Vietnam war was because their was a limit to how much we could escalate and apply our use of force against the local resistance. No nukes, no bombing NV airfields or industrial centers etc. Unless there is a space USSR out there willing to stick up for us puny humans whats to stop them from carpet nuking the planet if they fail to occupy it?
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** I had assumed that the real reason for the invasion was to remove a potential rival or threat AKA [[HumansAreWarriors those nasty apes]] that occasionally like to kill each other and everything else that looks at them funny. Lets face it invading a planet full of violent and sentient creatures for resources you can find anywhere else is just plain stupid. This is a problem I had with Battle:LA. "Oh noes they is here for our water!!!!" What have they never heard of comets?
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** Working electronics is hard to come by even considering that some of them may have been shielded at the time of the attack.
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* The aliens nuke Boston, and the EMP fries most cars and electronic gizmos...but what about all the stuff that sits in basements or metal boxes or is otherwise shielded or hardened? And presumable all the mechs they've blown up and taken apart lately can be raided for semiconductor devices...power transistors at least. It's even made a point in some later episode when Pope is melting down the mech that the insides look like they could've come from any Earth-built industrial robot.

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