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** Can I get a CompletelyMissingThePoint? The fact that the Arkenpliers allow her to do that ''is precisely why everyone is so worried.'' It goes against every rule in Erfworld.

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** Can I get think I missed something here. How is this a CompletelyMissingThePoint? BrokenAesop? People in Erfworld don't really have free will. The fact that the Arkenpliers allow her to do simply slave that ''is precisely why everyone is so worried.'' It goes against every rule in Erfworld.will to Wanda's. I'm not seeing what you're getting at.
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* Parson spends a significant amount of time in the first book wondering just how much free will anyone has in Erfworld. Then comes the second book: Wanda has a cool new tool that lets her resurrect a croaked unit. The unit is 100% loyal to her, even if it was formerly an enemy warlord. Can I get a BrokenAesop?

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* Parson spends a significant amount of time in the first book wondering just how much free will anyone has in Erfworld. Then comes the second book: Wanda has a cool new tool that lets her resurrect a croaked unit. The unit is 100% loyal to her, even if it was formerly an enemy warlord. Can I get a BrokenAesop?BrokenAesop?
** Can I get a CompletelyMissingThePoint? The fact that the Arkenpliers allow her to do that ''is precisely why everyone is so worried.'' It goes against every rule in Erfworld.
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** [[http://www.erfworld.com/2011/03/book-2-%E2%80%93-text-updates-043/ Here]] Jillian discovers some of them as part of the garrison in one of the citys Gobwin Knob captured in the timeskip.

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** [[http://www.erfworld.com/2011/03/book-2-%E2%80%93-text-updates-043/ Here]] Jillian discovers some of them as part of the garrison in one of the citys Gobwin Knob captured in the timeskip.timeskip.
*Parson spends a significant amount of time in the first book wondering just how much free will anyone has in Erfworld. Then comes the second book: Wanda has a cool new tool that lets her resurrect a croaked unit. The unit is 100% loyal to her, even if it was formerly an enemy warlord. Can I get a BrokenAesop?
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** Prince Sammy was attacking on Charlie's instruction, with exactly the forces Charlie told him to use. Charlie did not intend him to beat the column, only beat it up to the point where Jillian could attack it in relative safety.
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** The latter makes more sense. Stanley would simply see "Caster" or "Foolamancer."
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* In TBFGK page 5, Wanda mentions that Gobwin Knob only has less than two hundred living men remaining among their forces to advance as warlord. And yet... not only are none of these ever seen, but apart from Stanley, Maggie, Sizemore, Wanda, Jack and Misty, ''no'' humans are ever seen among Gobwin Knob's forces. Even Stanley's personal knights are exclusively hobgobwins. And Stanley's later suggestion of demoting and replacing Parson doesn't lead to any indication of where any other warlord would have actually come from. So [[WhatHappenedToTheMouse what happened to their other human forces]]?

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* In TBFGK page 5, Wanda mentions that Gobwin Knob only has less than two hundred living men remaining among their forces to advance as warlord. And yet... not only are none of these ever seen, but apart from Stanley, Maggie, Sizemore, Wanda, Jack and Misty, ''no'' humans are ever seen among Gobwin Knob's forces. Even Stanley's personal knights are exclusively hobgobwins. And Stanley's later suggestion of demoting and replacing Parson doesn't lead to any indication of where any other warlord would have actually come from. So [[WhatHappenedToTheMouse what happened to their other human forces]]?forces]]?
** [[http://www.erfworld.com/2011/03/book-2-%E2%80%93-text-updates-043/ Here]] Jillian discovers some of them as part of the garrison in one of the citys Gobwin Knob captured in the timeskip.
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** It may be that the garrison can be relocated to different city zones.

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** It may be that Dungeon is a Garrison Zone. As long as they held the garrison can be relocated to different city zones.dungeon, they still controlled the garrison.
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*** Since part of Haggar's plan was to have their column operate under the pretense of being just too far enough away to help, it could be that some of the column didn't have the move to engage the Gobwin Knob column was their hand was forced.

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*** Since part of Haggar's plan was to have their column operate under the pretense of being just too far enough away to help, it could be that some of the column didn't have the move to engage the Gobwin Knob column was when their hand was forced.

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*** Since part of Haggar's plan was to have their column operate under the pretense of being just too far enough away to help, it could be that some of the column didn't have the move to engage the Gobwin Knob column was their hand was forced.



*** Not just the importance of Royalty; Slately knew that Don King intended to be suceeded by an Heir Designate.



*** That doesn't work, because you'd expect Stanley to start noticing the name once his life depended on it. It could be that seeing the actual names is something that only Parson can do, and the others can only see stats. Alternatively, it could be that Parson could only see his name because he already knew what it was (Wanda having told him).



* During the LastStand in Gobwins Knob "everything but the dungeon" was wrecked and the whole surface part of the fortress was taken over. Shouldn't that have counted as the garrison falling?

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** In all likelihood, he was impressed by the fact that Tramennis immediately realised his blunder, and was ready to stand and fight while covering his father's retreat.
* During the LastStand in Gobwins Knob "everything but the dungeon" was wrecked and the whole surface part of the fortress was taken over. Shouldn't that have counted as the garrison falling?falling?
** It may be that the garrison can be relocated to different city zones.
* In TBFGK page 5, Wanda mentions that Gobwin Knob only has less than two hundred living men remaining among their forces to advance as warlord. And yet... not only are none of these ever seen, but apart from Stanley, Maggie, Sizemore, Wanda, Jack and Misty, ''no'' humans are ever seen among Gobwin Knob's forces. Even Stanley's personal knights are exclusively hobgobwins. And Stanley's later suggestion of demoting and replacing Parson doesn't lead to any indication of where any other warlord would have actually come from. So [[WhatHappenedToTheMouse what happened to their other human forces]]?
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* During the LastStand in Gobwins Know "everything but the dungeon" was wrecked and the whole surface part of the fortress was taken over. Shouldn't that have counted as the garrison falling?

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* During the LastStand in Gobwins Know Knob "everything but the dungeon" was wrecked and the whole surface part of the fortress was taken over. Shouldn't that have counted as the garrison falling?
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* During the LAstStand in Gobwins Know "everything but the dungeon" was wrecked and the whole surface part of the fortress was taken over. Shouldn't that have counted as the garrison falling?

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* During the LAstStand LastStand in Gobwins Know "everything but the dungeon" was wrecked and the whole surface part of the fortress was taken over. Shouldn't that have counted as the garrison falling?
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** Because he's the best they've got, and willing to notice other paths than combat to boot, as all of Slately's other sons seemed to have done. He(Slately) was actually surprised, on reflection, to realize that Tramennis had been more effective than all of his previous heirs. Also, nobody not on Gobwin Knob's side (and even a few who were - see Ossomer's expression during, um, "Phase Number Two") saw the "food fight" coming except for Charlie, so that's a little unfair. Furthermore, it wouldn't be possible for them to "pull the same trickery that got Ansom", as Tram put it, and in their situation it would be very difficult to mount any sort of counter-attack (Jack's plan only consisted of "fight until opportunity arises, then cut losses and escape").

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** Because he's the best they've got, and willing to notice other paths than combat to boot, as all of Slately's other sons seemed to have done. He(Slately) was actually surprised, on reflection, to realize that Tramennis had been more effective than all of his previous heirs. Also, nobody not on Gobwin Knob's side (and even a few who were - see Ossomer's expression during, um, "Phase Number Two") saw the "food fight" coming except for Charlie, so that's a little unfair. Furthermore, it wouldn't be possible for them to "pull the same trickery that got Ansom", as Tram put it, and in their situation it would be very difficult to mount any sort of counter-attack (Jack's plan only consisted of "fight until opportunity arises, then cut losses and escape").escape").
* During the LAstStand in Gobwins Know "everything but the dungeon" was wrecked and the whole surface part of the fortress was taken over. Shouldn't that have counted as the garrison falling?
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* Why does Slately come to see Tramennis as his most worthy son after the Atrium disaster? I mean, Tramennis is a great guy, but the only reason Jetstone's in their now-hopeless situation is because the Prince insisted on a parley, against the objections of the King, even knowing full well that Parson is willing to violate a truce. That colossal military blunder doesn't really recommend Tramennis as a leader.

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* Why does Slately come to see Tramennis as his most worthy son after the Atrium disaster? I mean, Tramennis is a great guy, but the only reason Jetstone's in their now-hopeless situation is because the Prince insisted on a parley, against the objections of the King, even knowing full well that Parson is willing to violate a truce. That colossal military blunder doesn't really recommend Tramennis as a leader.leader.
** Because he's the best they've got, and willing to notice other paths than combat to boot, as all of Slately's other sons seemed to have done. He(Slately) was actually surprised, on reflection, to realize that Tramennis had been more effective than all of his previous heirs. Also, nobody not on Gobwin Knob's side (and even a few who were - see Ossomer's expression during, um, "Phase Number Two") saw the "food fight" coming except for Charlie, so that's a little unfair. Furthermore, it wouldn't be possible for them to "pull the same trickery that got Ansom", as Tram put it, and in their situation it would be very difficult to mount any sort of counter-attack (Jack's plan only consisted of "fight until opportunity arises, then cut losses and escape").
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* Why does Slately come to see Tramennis as his most worthy son after the Atrium disaster? I mean, Tramennis is a great guy, but the only reason Jetstone's in their now-hopeless is because the Prince insisted on a parley, against the objections of the King, even knowing full well that Parson is willing to violate a truce. That colossal military blunder doesn't really recommend Tramennis as a leader.

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* Why does Slately come to see Tramennis as his most worthy son after the Atrium disaster? I mean, Tramennis is a great guy, but the only reason Jetstone's in their now-hopeless situation is because the Prince insisted on a parley, against the objections of the King, even knowing full well that Parson is willing to violate a truce. That colossal military blunder doesn't really recommend Tramennis as a leader.
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** He doesn't care about the name. He's focused on the stats. It's kind of like how in real life, a lot of gamers, particularly strategy gamers or ones focused on numbers won't even both looking at the name, but will instead look right at the stats first. I know I've done this while playing a lot of RPG games - first thing I look at is stats. Stanley just simply doesn't bother looking at names, because he ''doesn't care'' about their names.

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** He doesn't care about the name. He's focused on the stats. It's kind of like how in real life, a lot of gamers, particularly strategy gamers or ones focused on numbers won't even both looking at the name, but will instead look right at the stats first. I know I've done this while playing a lot of RPG games - first thing I look at is stats. Stanley just simply doesn't bother looking at names, because he ''doesn't care'' about their names.names.
* Why does Slately come to see Tramennis as his most worthy son after the Atrium disaster? I mean, Tramennis is a great guy, but the only reason Jetstone's in their now-hopeless is because the Prince insisted on a parley, against the objections of the King, even knowing full well that Parson is willing to violate a truce. That colossal military blunder doesn't really recommend Tramennis as a leader.
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* Why does Stanley have such a hard time remembering names? Isn't it stated that leaders (and parson with the glasses) can see unit stats, including the name? When Parson looks [[http://www.erfworld.com/book-1-archive/?px=%2F108.jpg at Jack ]] with the glasses (through a thinkagram no less) he can clearly see the name.

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* Why does Stanley have such a hard time remembering names? Isn't it stated that leaders (and parson with the glasses) can see unit stats, including the name? When Parson looks [[http://www.erfworld.com/book-1-archive/?px=%2F108.jpg at Jack ]] with the glasses (through a thinkagram no less) he can clearly see the name.name.
** He doesn't care about the name. He's focused on the stats. It's kind of like how in real life, a lot of gamers, particularly strategy gamers or ones focused on numbers won't even both looking at the name, but will instead look right at the stats first. I know I've done this while playing a lot of RPG games - first thing I look at is stats. Stanley just simply doesn't bother looking at names, because he ''doesn't care'' about their names.
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* Why does Stanley have such a hard time remembering names? Isn't it stated that leaders (and parson with the glasses) can see unit stats, including the name? When Parson looks[[http://www.erfworld.com/book-1-archive/?px=%2F108.jpg at Jack ]] with the glasses (through a thinkagram no less) he can clearly see the name.

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* Why does Stanley have such a hard time remembering names? Isn't it stated that leaders (and parson with the glasses) can see unit stats, including the name? When Parson looks[[http://www.looks [[http://www.erfworld.com/book-1-archive/?px=%2F108.jpg at Jack ]] with the glasses (through a thinkagram no less) he can clearly see the name.
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* Why does Stanley have such a hard time remembering names? Isn't it stated that leaders (and parson with the glasses) can see unit stats, including the name? When Parson looks[[http://www.erfworld.com/book-1-archive/?px=%2F108.jpg at Jack]] with the glasses (through a thinkagram no less) he can clearly see the name.

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* Why does Stanley have such a hard time remembering names? Isn't it stated that leaders (and parson with the glasses) can see unit stats, including the name? When Parson looks[[http://www.erfworld.com/book-1-archive/?px=%2F108.jpg at Jack]] Jack ]] with the glasses (through a thinkagram no less) he can clearly see the name.
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** A recent text update has King Slately musing that if one good thing has come of Unaroyal, its that Don King has once again seen the importance of royalty. So he was definitely aware that they didn't really take it seriously.

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** A recent text update has King Slately musing that if one good thing has come of Unaroyal, its that Don King has once again seen the importance of royalty. So he was definitely aware that they didn't really take it seriously.seriously.
* Why does Stanley have such a hard time remembering names? Isn't it stated that leaders (and parson with the glasses) can see unit stats, including the name? When Parson looks[[http://www.erfworld.com/book-1-archive/?px=%2F108.jpg at Jack]] with the glasses (through a thinkagram no less) he can clearly see the name.
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** Probably. At least Amson, whose (best?) friend is a Transylvito's chief who is very unformal and openly criticized him after the Prince ranted about the Royalty superiority.

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** Probably. At least Amson, whose (best?) friend is a Transylvito's chief who is very unformal and openly criticized him after the Prince ranted about the Royalty superiority.superiority.
** A recent text update has King Slately musing that if one good thing has come of Unaroyal, its that Don King has once again seen the importance of royalty. So he was definitely aware that they didn't really take it seriously.
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* Were Jetstone and the other coalition members ever aware of the fact that Transylvito was in the process of essentially throwing out its own Royalty system?

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* Were Jetstone and the other coalition members ever aware of the fact that Transylvito was in the process of essentially throwing out its own Royalty system?system?
** Probably. At least Amson, whose (best?) friend is a Transylvito's chief who is very unformal and openly criticized him after the Prince ranted about the Royalty superiority.
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*** I actually prefer the text updates, because they can show things in a manner than the comic itself cannot, i.e. characters' internal thoughts and impressions, background information, alternate viewpoints, etc. The comic provides one view of the story and the setting, while the text updates provide a different perspective that would be missing without them.

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*** I actually prefer the text updates, because they can show things in a manner than the comic itself cannot, i.e. characters' internal thoughts and impressions, background information, alternate viewpoints, etc. The comic provides one view of the story and the setting, while the text updates provide a different perspective that would be missing without them.them.
* Were Jetstone and the other coalition members ever aware of the fact that Transylvito was in the process of essentially throwing out its own Royalty system?
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* Why don't we know Parson's Chief Warlord bonus a little better? We know that CWs have three separate bonuses - their direct bonus to units in their stack, their hex-wide bonus to units in their hex, and their regular bonus to all units on their side. We know Parson's side-wide bonus is 2, and he's never joined a stack so there's no reason for us to know his direct bonus, but why don't we know his hex-wide bonus? Is it also 2? That really does suck.
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* Wasn't Haggar supposed to have a "massive column of heavies and infantry" strong enough to [[spoiler:capture Jetstone's capital once Gobwin Knob and Jetstone finished beating the hell out of each other?]] And all of a sudden Haggar's forces "can't expect to beat" the dregs of Gobwin Knob's strike force?

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* Wasn't Haggar supposed to have a "massive column of heavies and infantry" strong enough to [[spoiler:capture capture Jetstone's capital once Gobwin Knob and Jetstone finished beating the hell out of each other?]] other? And all of a sudden Haggar's forces "can't expect to beat" the dregs of Gobwin Knob's strike force?
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*** I disagree entirely. You can't skip things in this story. Almost every detail given is important to the setting. Just as one couldn't just skip the Parson's Klog pages (Which bugged me a lot less for some reason, possibly because at least there it was in-character) in the first book, one can't really skip these and still have a full understanding of what's going on... The plot would likely rely on them, turning it into an [[AllThereInTheManual All There In The Manual]] moment. I just wish that this information was being put forth more organically in the style of the story.

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*** I disagree entirely. You can't skip things in this story. Almost every detail given is important to the setting. Just as one couldn't just skip the Parson's Klog pages (Which bugged me a lot less for some reason, possibly because at least there it was in-character) in the first book, one can't really skip these and still have a full understanding of what's going on... The plot would likely rely on them, turning it into an [[AllThereInTheManual All There In The Manual]] moment. I just wish that this information was being put forth more organically in the style of the story.story.
*** I actually prefer the text updates, because they can show things in a manner than the comic itself cannot, i.e. characters' internal thoughts and impressions, background information, alternate viewpoints, etc. The comic provides one view of the story and the setting, while the text updates provide a different perspective that would be missing without them.
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*** I disagree entirely. You can't skip things in this story. Almost every detail given is important to the setting. Just as one couldn't just skip the Parson's Klog pages (Which bugged me a lot less for some reason, possibly because at least there it was in-character) in the first book, one can't really skip these and still have a full understanding of what's going on... The plot would likely rely on them, turning it into an [[AllThereInTheManual]] moment. I just wish that this information was being put forth more organically in the style of the story.

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*** I disagree entirely. You can't skip things in this story. Almost every detail given is important to the setting. Just as one couldn't just skip the Parson's Klog pages (Which bugged me a lot less for some reason, possibly because at least there it was in-character) in the first book, one can't really skip these and still have a full understanding of what's going on... The plot would likely rely on them, turning it into an [[AllThereInTheManual]] [[AllThereInTheManual All There In The Manual]] moment. I just wish that this information was being put forth more organically in the style of the story.
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** You could always...not read the text updates. Its not like they're that critical to the story.

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** You could always...not read the text updates. Its not like they're that critical to the story.story.
*** I disagree entirely. You can't skip things in this story. Almost every detail given is important to the setting. Just as one couldn't just skip the Parson's Klog pages (Which bugged me a lot less for some reason, possibly because at least there it was in-character) in the first book, one can't really skip these and still have a full understanding of what's going on... The plot would likely rely on them, turning it into an [[AllThereInTheManual]] moment. I just wish that this information was being put forth more organically in the style of the story.
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* I know this is going to sound overly cruel, but it bothers me anyway. Does anyone remember when this was a COMIC, rather than a novel with occasional comic pages? I'd be fine with it if it chose either style, but it seems schizophrenic when it tries to keep two sides of the plotline going in different writing styles. It almost feels like one isn't reading a single work anymore.

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* I know this is going to sound overly cruel, but it bothers me anyway. Does anyone remember when this was a COMIC, rather than a novel with occasional comic pages? I'd be fine with it if it chose either style, but it seems schizophrenic when it tries to keep two sides of the plotline going in different writing styles. It almost feels like one isn't reading a single work anymore.anymore.
**You could always...not read the text updates. Its not like they're that critical to the story.
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**The actual wording used was that it would ''literally'' empty the treasury. However, the spell is also ''technically'' 350,000. They didn't pay for the support plan. That gives them 150,000 smuckers to work with. Even the upkeep of the Archons are stated to be around 200-500 smuckers. Parson's upkeep, which is [[MemeticMutation over one-thousaaaaaand]] was considered to be quite high. Decrypted units (and possibly uncroaked and/or low-level units) have a zero smucker upkeep. Consuming provisions also reduces upkeep (as you then do not need to pay for food for that unit. So, it's reasonable that they could afford everything with the remainder of the treasury. [[spoiler: And after Book 1, Gobwin Knob doesn't have to worry about smuckers as much.]]

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**The actual wording used was that it would ''literally'' empty the treasury. However, the spell is also ''technically'' 350,000. They didn't pay for the support plan. That gives them 150,000 smuckers to work with. Even the upkeep of the Archons are stated to be around 200-500 smuckers. Parson's upkeep, which is [[MemeticMutation over one-thousaaaaaand]] was considered to be quite high. Decrypted units (and possibly uncroaked and/or low-level units) have a zero smucker upkeep. Consuming provisions also reduces upkeep (as you then do not need to pay for food for that unit. So, it's reasonable that they could afford everything with the remainder of the treasury. [[spoiler: And after Book 1, Gobwin Knob doesn't have to worry about smuckers as much.]]]]
* I know this is going to sound overly cruel, but it bothers me anyway. Does anyone remember when this was a COMIC, rather than a novel with occasional comic pages? I'd be fine with it if it chose either style, but it seems schizophrenic when it tries to keep two sides of the plotline going in different writing styles. It almost feels like one isn't reading a single work anymore.

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