History Headscratchers / ElfenLied

11th Apr '16 7:43:18 AM UniSol14
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* When the two policemen find Mayu on the beach, why don't they so much as ask for identification from anyone when Kouta and Yuka show up claiming to be Mayu's family? Or question at all the explanation that Mayu ran away because of a fight they had? Even the most basic question one should know off-hand about family or residence, such as asking Mayu what her address was, how long she's lived there, or the birthdays of Kouta or Yuka, or really anything that a family member would know, would prove Kouta was lying when he claimed that.

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* When the two policemen find Mayu on the beach, why don't they so much as ask for identification from anyone when Kouta and Yuka show up claiming to be Mayu's family? Or question at all the explanation that Mayu ran away because of a fight they had? Even the most basic question one should know off-hand about family or residence, such as asking Mayu what her address was, and phone number were, how long she's lived there, or the birthdays of Kouta or Yuka, or really anything that a family member would know, would prove Kouta was lying when he claimed that.
11th Apr '16 7:37:17 AM UniSol14
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* When the two policemen find Mayu on the beach, why don't they so much as ask for identification from anyone when Kouta and Yuka show up claiming to be Mayu's family? Or question at all the explanation that Mayu ran away because of a fight they had? Even the most basic question one should know off-hand about family or residence, such as asking Mayu what her address was, how long she's lived there, or the birthdays of Kouta or Yuka, or really anything that a family member would know, would prove Kouta was lying when he claimed that.
11th Apr '16 7:18:46 AM UniSol14
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**** In the anime, they cover up their infanticide through calling the death a result of SIDS, Sudden Infant Death Syndrome, which is a real condition that is exactly what it sounds like: An infant suddenly dies in its sleep during its first year of life in a manner that can't be explained in an autopsy. There is no established cause or explanation for the occurrence, so it's a decent-enough explanation. Still, it's rare enough that a sharp rise in it, particularly in a concentrated area, would probably be noticed, even if the death records were modified.
23rd May '15 7:49:29 PM SenselessPi
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* Why aren't the guards in the diclonius containment facility, and those sent to cofront them always armed with the ammo that's effective against diclonius'? It's revealed in flashbacks that the organization already knew what was effective. Diclonius were a known threat prior to the start of the series, and this is meant to be a well-funded organization who's sole purpose is containing them. Lucy's escape from the facility thus becomes an example of [[FridgeLogic Fridge Logic]] seeing as the viewer was not aware that such ammo existed right at the start of the story, it's promoted to a full-on [[PlotHole Plot Hole]] when the organization repeats the failed tactic over and over, well after the viewer/reader is aware that they knew what caliber of ammo they should have been using all along.

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* Why aren't the guards in the diclonius containment facility, and those sent to cofront confront them always armed with the ammo that's effective against diclonius'? It's revealed in flashbacks that the organization already knew what was effective. Diclonius were a known threat prior to the start of the series, and this is meant to be a well-funded organization who's sole purpose is containing them. Lucy's escape from the facility thus becomes an example of [[FridgeLogic Fridge Logic]] seeing as the viewer was not aware that such ammo existed right at the start of the story, it's promoted to a full-on [[PlotHole Plot Hole]] when the organization repeats the failed tactic over and over, well after the viewer/reader is aware that they knew what caliber of ammo they should have been using all along.



* In the train scene, [[spoiler: Kaede is shown releasing her vectors right before Kanae tackles her. Was she really planning to kill Kouta or did she merely plan on scaring him? After killing Kouta's dad and sister, she says that she has no intention of killing him due to their friendship but it sounded more as an afterthought and she wasnt really in a right state of mind up til she left the train.]]
** She probably did all she could to not kill him. Kaede would love him enough to not kill him, but Lucy at that point would have had no problem ripping his head off in the heat of the moment.

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* In the train scene, [[spoiler: Kaede Lucy is shown releasing her vectors right before Kanae tackles her. Was she really planning to kill Kouta or did she merely plan on scaring him? After killing Kouta's dad and sister, she says that she has no intention of killing him due to their friendship but it sounded more as an afterthought and she wasnt wasn't really in a right state of mind up til she left the train.]]
** She probably did all she could to not kill him. Kaede Lucy would love him enough to not kill him, but Lucy the DNA Voice at that point would have had no problem ripping his head off in the heat of the moment.moment.
** Based on how she claimed "what are you saying? We ''were'' friends, that's why I didn't kill you," she most likely had every intention of killing his family and sparing him to make him pay for lying to her anyway.



** Ballistic missiles are pretty acurate, up to, and including half a meter. These things aren´t so expensive because they are metal rods with explosives and fuel in them, the targeting and course correction technology in them would afford you a house, a fancy car and maybe a boat too. Sure, the reason why they don´t explode is [[HandWave hand waved]] at best, what with them being dummy training rounds, but them hitting a human in the head is, while unreasonably unneccesary, totally possible. I can only speculate that they used dummy´s to prevent collateral damage...
** Agrees with the troper above. The missles being fired are frome the SM series and they are both inexpensive and accurate enough. An empty missle can produce the kinetic energy needed to overcome Lucy's vectors without making people wonder what happened to the neighborhoos some ten meters away next morning.

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** Ballistic missiles are pretty acurate, accurate, up to, and including half a meter. These things aren´t aren't so expensive because they are metal rods with explosives and fuel in them, the targeting and course correction technology in them would afford you a house, a fancy car and maybe a boat too. Sure, the reason why they don´t explode is [[HandWave hand waved]] at best, what with them being dummy training rounds, but them hitting a human in the head is, while unreasonably unneccesary, unneccessary, totally possible. I can only speculate that they used dummy´s to prevent collateral damage...
** Agrees with the troper above. The missles missiles being fired are frome the SM series and they are both inexpensive and accurate enough. An empty missle can produce the kinetic energy needed to overcome Lucy's vectors without making people wonder what happened to the neighborhoos some ten meters away next morning.



** Except they didnt know Nana could do that. The duel b/t Nana & Lucy was the first time they'd seen two diclonii fight against each other so they had no way of knowing that it was possible for a diclonius to disable another's vectors. Remember, they were puzzled when both Lucy and Mariko couldnt attack after their duels with Nana. The reason they sent Nana out was due to her docile personality which meant that they didnt have to worry about her going out after humans after she was released. Once that failed and they became more desperate they picked Mariko who was noted to be more powerful than Lucy to capture her albeit with precautions (implanting remoted-controlled bombs in her body). Im sure if they'd known that Nana had that vector disabling ability then they would've done aforementioned plan. Certainly, Kakuzawa wouldnt have been so quick to order her disposal. Now, why Nana couldnt have mentioned she could do that when she was angsting about how she was no longer useful to her "Papa", I have no idea.

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** Except they didnt know Nana could do that. The duel b/t Nana & Lucy was the first time they'd seen two diclonii fight against each other so they had no way of knowing that it was possible for a diclonius to disable another's vectors. Remember, they were puzzled when both Lucy and Mariko couldnt attack after their duels with Nana. The reason they sent Nana out was due to her docile personality which meant that they didnt have to worry about her going out after humans after she was released. Once that failed and they became more desperate they picked Mariko who was noted to be more powerful than Lucy to capture her albeit with precautions (implanting remoted-controlled bombs in her body). Im sure if they'd known that Nana had that vector disabling ability then they would've done aforementioned plan. Certainly, Kakuzawa wouldnt have been so quick to order her disposal. Now, why Nana couldnt couldn't have mentioned she could do that when she was angsting about how she was no longer useful to her "Papa", I have no idea.



** Theory time! Diclonii have some telepathic abilities and Lucy is a confirmed queen and all other diclonii in the series descend from her and her alone. Maybe as a queen she subconsciously sends mental commands to the her subordinetes? Maybe she is essentialy a telepatic beacon, constantly broadcasting a simple signal: KILL! KILL! KILL! - until it gets ingrained into the receiver subconscious.
** It's made very clear that beyond a few exceptions such as No. 28 and[[spoiler:Nana who comes dangerously close in the manga]], most Diclonius have an innate desire to kill humanity. It gets to the point where [[spoiler:Lucy's own instincts are able to physically take over her body and minddespite Lucy trying to resist.]] The abuse they had only pushed the desire to kill humans in their DNA further.

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** Theory time! Diclonii have some telepathic abilities and Lucy is a confirmed queen and all other diclonii in the series descend from her and her alone. Maybe as a queen she subconsciously sends mental commands to the her subordinetes? subordinates? Maybe she is essentialy essentially a telepatic telepathic beacon, constantly broadcasting a simple signal: KILL! KILL! KILL! - until it gets ingrained into the receiver subconscious.
** It's made very clear that beyond a few exceptions such as No. 28 and[[spoiler:Nana who comes dangerously close in the manga]], most Diclonius have an innate desire to kill humanity. It gets to the point where [[spoiler:Lucy's own instincts are able to physically take over her body and minddespite mind despite Lucy trying to resist.]] The abuse they had only pushed the desire to kill humans in their DNA further.



** A seperate species and Lucy can alter a person's genetics. Also, human + diclonii can equal diclonii.

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** A seperate separate species and Lucy can alter a person's genetics. Also, human + diclonii can equal diclonii.



** Okamoto-San tells a great story, but timeframes are one of his profound weaknesses, IMHO, so we don't really know just how long Mayu was on her own. Also, many people might have noted Mayu's state of dress. But to some people, doing even the slightest thing about it would make her their responsibility. Better to decry and denounce her behind her back than lift a finger to speed-dial the police or child services. And if you recall, child services in EL has a pretty poor history.
* What are the Diiclonius Hordes (the armies of hooded diclonius at the end)? Are they failed Dicolnius clones, or just Failed Clones of Mariko? Are they disfigured Diicolonii? Are they a mixture of all three? Their vectors all come in different ranges, so perhaps they are a series of all three, or just failed clones.

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** Okamoto-San tells a great story, but timeframes time frames are one of his profound weaknesses, IMHO, so we don't really know just how long Mayu was on her own. Also, many people might have noted Mayu's state of dress. But to some people, doing even the slightest thing about it would make her their responsibility. Better to decry and denounce her behind her back than lift a finger to speed-dial the police or child services. And if you recall, child services in EL has a pretty poor history.
* What are the Diiclonius Hordes (the armies of hooded diclonius at the end)? Are they failed Dicolnius Diclonius clones, or just Failed Clones of Mariko? Are they disfigured Diicolonii? Dicolonii? Are they a mixture of all three? Their vectors all come in different ranges, so perhaps they are a series of all three, or just failed clones.



* I wonder, why Kurama lied to Lucy about Aikos death. The last chapter proves, she's still alive, as there is a poster of a grown up Aiko on the wall. I can see two reasons, he would have lied to her: Either, it was to conceal the fact, the witness survived, and he just had to lie to Lucy there, or it was to make Lucy feel bad about not surrendering immediately. A third possibility would be he himself being misinformed for what reason ever.

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* I wonder, why Kurama lied to Lucy about Aikos Aiko's death. The last chapter proves, she's still alive, as there is a poster of a grown up Aiko on the wall. I can see two reasons, he would have lied to her: Either, it was to conceal the fact, the witness survived, and he just had to lie to Lucy there, or it was to make Lucy feel bad about not surrendering immediately. A third possibility would be he himself being misinformed for what reason ever.



* A late manga chapter reveals that [[spoiler: Kaede's mother never stopped looking for her after her father abandoned her in the field near the orphanage. So why didn't she stop at the orphanage itself? If a lost baby were found, that's one place it seems logical to look first.]]
** [[spoiler: There is a possibility that Kaede's father abandoned her in a town other than her birth town, or even the birth country. Remember how Yuuka stated that Kaede doesn't look Japanese? Sure, it seems to be a bit extreme to hide a child that far instead of just killing her, but it's a desperate and possibly mentally unstable father we are talking about.]]

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* A late manga chapter reveals that [[spoiler: Kaede's Lucy's mother never stopped looking for her after her father abandoned her in the field near the orphanage. So why didn't she stop at the orphanage itself? If a lost baby were found, that's one place it seems logical to look first.]]
** [[spoiler: There is a possibility that Kaede's Lucy's father abandoned her in a town other than her birth town, or even the birth country. Remember how Yuuka stated that Kaede Lucy doesn't look Japanese? Sure, it seems to be a bit extreme to hide a child that far instead of just killing her, but it's a desperate and possibly mentally unstable father we are talking about.]]
31st Jan '15 6:42:25 AM Kreyser
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** Another consideration: think about penetration power and stopping power. Your 1300-odd J is to punch through a vector, how many left behind to do some serious damage?? Also consider that the projectile of .50AE is pistol-round which lose bunch of energy just to punch through the air, let alone vectors
6th Sep '14 3:27:51 PM Gojirob
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*** It perhaps also spotlights the utter disdain the Kakuzawas have for anyone else. They want the girls under their control to live and die only when they say; the guards have just enough power to slow the girls down and raise an alarm before they die. They are living, disposable info relays, and little more, to the people who look down on everyone who isn't themselves or Lucy.
14th Apr '14 3:50:43 AM Dentaku
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** The anime arguably stops at a point where the story still makes quite a bit of sense (and in which Lucy is still fairly likeable). Publishers may fear that Western readers consider the storyline to get too convoluted after that point.

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** The anime arguably stops at a point where the story still makes quite a bit of sense (and in which Lucy is still fairly likeable). Publishers may fear that Western readers consider the storyline to get too convoluted after that point.later on.
14th Apr '14 3:50:29 AM Dentaku
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** The anime actually stops at a point where the story still makes quite a bit of sense (and in which Lucy is still fairly likeable). Publishers may fear that Western readers consider the storyline to get too convoluted after that point.

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** The anime actually arguably stops at a point where the story still makes quite a bit of sense (and in which Lucy is still fairly likeable). Publishers may fear that Western readers consider the storyline to get too convoluted after that point.
14th Apr '14 3:49:52 AM Dentaku
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** The anime actually stops at a point where the story still makes quite a bit of sense (and in which Lucy is still fairly likeable). Publishers may fear that Western readers consider the storyline to become too convoluted to enjoy after that point.

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** The anime actually stops at a point where the story still makes quite a bit of sense (and in which Lucy is still fairly likeable). Publishers may fear that Western readers consider the storyline to become get too convoluted to enjoy after that point.
14th Apr '14 3:49:09 AM Dentaku
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** The anime actually stops at the point where the manga gets arguably more and more off the rails. Western readers might consider the storyline to get too convoluted to enjoy.

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** The anime actually stops at the a point where the manga gets arguably more and more off the rails. story still makes quite a bit of sense (and in which Lucy is still fairly likeable). Publishers may fear that Western readers might consider the storyline to get become too convoluted to enjoy.enjoy after that point.
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