History Headscratchers / DragonsDogma

25th Mar '16 8:51:27 AM Soldancer
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** Makes sense considering the tide levels never change.



*** They heal at the inn, so presumably yes. But then again, they heal in proximity to Riftstones, so maybe they wander off in the night and pay a visit to the local Riftstone while the Arisen is sleeping.



*** Being a Japanese made game, this could be a shout-out to the myriad anime/manga characters who see just fine, but [[EyesAlwaysShut never open their eyes]].



** The cyclical nature of the world implies that this actually ''has'' happened before. Especially noticeable when you start a NewGamePlus, since it's stated to actually take place some generations later. ** Or you could chalk it up to TheoryOfNarrativeCausality or AnthropicPrinciple being in effect: you are playing as this particular Arisen ''because'' stuff is happening that hasn't before.



** Pawns can't procreate, so maybe they carry that trait with them when they gain humanity?



** the selfsame arisen who at one point spent 3 hours killing guards because they were bored? it would take a full military campaign to get just the arisen, not counting that there is an army right next to the gates of Cassardis in the form of a rift stone.
* You get thrown in the dungeon for your 'attempted rape' of Aelinore, but after you escape, nobody cares a fig about it. Why doesn't the Duke go 'hey, that criminal escaped the dungeon, throw them back in there!'

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** the The selfsame arisen Arisen who at one point spent 3 hours killing guards because they were bored? it It would take a full military campaign to get just the arisen, Arisen, not counting that there is an army right next to the gates of Cassardis in the form of a rift stone.
Riftstone.
* You get thrown in the dungeon for your 'attempted rape' of Aelinore, but after you escape, nobody cares a fig about it. Why doesn't the Duke go 'hey, 'Hey, that criminal escaped the dungeon, throw them back in there!'



* Maybe I'm just an idiot, but it seems to me there's [[spoiler: a logical break in the cycle. The concept is, dragon appears, makes several Arisen over period of time, one Arisen finally kills dragon, world breaks, Arisen is forced to find the Senechal, Arisen kills Senechal to take his place or dies and becomes a new dragon. World at peace, or rinse and repeat. Thing is, when an Arizen beats the Senechal, why would there ever be another dragon? The world is at peace, no dragon to make any more Arizen, how could a new Arisen possibly come to be, much less end up losing to the Senechal? How did the next dragon appear after Savan and our Arisen did their jobs?]]
** Remember, this is a multiverse, so [[spoiler:The seneschal was challenged many from many different worlds, sending dragons to many different worlds. At least one dragon-arisen pair would probably be left over to challenge the new seneschal. If the entire multiverse is restored to peace, then likely the same process that made the first dragon would make the second one. Personally, I think the former is what's happening, and only one world is restored.]]
** Entirely wrong. The game tells you how this works. Seneschal gets sick of being god. he creates a dragon. dragon marks Arisen. Arisen dies like a bitch. Dragon marks an arisen. Arisen pussies out and sells their girlfriend. Dragon creates arisen. Arisen tells the dragon to fuck right off, goes to get drunk in a cave. Dragon marks Arisen. Arisen kills the dragon, gets bored with life and jumps in a hole. Seneschal kills Arisen, throws them back as the latest dragon some time later. New Dragon marks more Arisen. After a few false starts, dragon comes back and marks arisen. Arisen kills dragon. Arisen kills and replaces seneschal. Seneschal gets bored and makes a new dragon out of one of the other arisen.
* At the end, the arisen frees his/her pawn from the seneschal's realm, the pawn instantly takes the form of the arisen, (Isn't that supposed to be gradual & aren't they supposed to look the way the arisen would if they were whatever age the pawn is?) & the pawn lives in place of the arisen (in the body of their loved one whose bloody suicide they just witnessed) alongside the arisen's beloved. The question is: Why is your former pawn with your former arisen at the end of New Game Plus & who are you controlling in New Game Plus? You can't be controlling the pawn from the previous file because that doesn't make any sense.

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* Maybe I'm just an idiot, but it seems to me there's [[spoiler: a logical break in the cycle. The concept is, dragon appears, makes several Arisen over period of time, one Arisen finally kills dragon, world breaks, Arisen is forced to find the Senechal, Seneschal, Arisen kills Senechal Seneschal to take his place or dies and becomes a new dragon. World at peace, or rinse and repeat. Thing is, when an Arizen beats the Senechal, Seneschal, why would there ever be another dragon? The world is at peace, no dragon to make any more Arizen, how could a new Arisen possibly come to be, much less end up losing to the Senechal? Seneschal? How did the next dragon appear after Savan and our Arisen did their jobs?]]
** Remember, this is a multiverse, so [[spoiler:The seneschal Seneschal was challenged many from many different worlds, sending dragons to many different worlds. At least one dragon-arisen pair would probably be left over to challenge the new seneschal.Seneschal. If the entire multiverse is restored to peace, then likely the same process that made the first dragon would make the second one. Personally, I think the former is what's happening, and only one world is restored.]]
** Entirely wrong. The game tells you how this works. Seneschal gets sick of being god. he He creates a dragon. dragon Dragon marks Arisen. Arisen dies like a bitch. Dragon marks an arisen. Arisen pussies out and sells their girlfriend. Dragon creates arisen. Arisen tells the dragon to fuck right off, goes to get drunk in a cave. Dragon marks Arisen. Arisen kills the dragon, gets bored with life and jumps in a hole. Seneschal kills Arisen, throws them back as the latest dragon some time later. New Dragon marks more Arisen. After a few false starts, dragon comes back and marks arisen.Arisen. Arisen kills dragon. Arisen kills and replaces seneschal. Seneschal. Seneschal gets bored and makes a new dragon out of one of the other arisen.
Arisen.
* At the end, the arisen Arisen frees his/her pawn from the seneschal's Seneschal's realm, the pawn instantly takes the form of the arisen, (Isn't that supposed to be gradual & aren't they supposed to look the way the arisen would if they were whatever age the pawn is?) & the pawn lives in place of the arisen (in the body of their loved one whose bloody suicide they just witnessed) alongside the arisen's beloved. The question is: Why is your former pawn with your former arisen at the end of New Game Plus & who are you controlling in New Game Plus? You can't be controlling the pawn from the previous file because that doesn't make any sense.



** The way I interpretted it is that in taking the Arisen's form, becoming human has also turned the pawn into a mortal, so of course they had to have died by the time the cycle resets. I think for the most part the pawn just kicks back in the afterlife, but whenever someone confronts the Seneschal, the pawn returns in their original form to fight alongside their master one final time.

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** The way I interpretted interpreted it is that in taking the Arisen's form, becoming human has also turned the pawn into a mortal, so of course they had to have died by the time the cycle resets. I think for the most part the pawn just kicks back in the afterlife, but whenever someone confronts the Seneschal, the pawn returns in their original form to fight alongside their master one final time.
28th Jan '16 8:55:43 AM bassforte123
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** Because everyone knows that they need an Arisen to stop the dragon from destroying the world. They can throw you in jail for committing crimes but they can't honestly keep you there without some other Arisen to take your place.
28th Jan '16 8:48:53 AM bassforte123
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** It's pretty likely that it was never meant to be as extreme as say giving an organ where you no longer have that organ, but closer to saying you're 'giving your heart' to someone close. You're not actually missing something but the person close to you has something more.
21st Jan '16 1:59:16 PM marikthegunslinger
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** The way I interpretted it is that in taking the Arisen's form, becoming human has also turned the pawn into a mortal, so of course they had to have died by the time the cycle resets. I think for the most part the pawn just kicks back in the afterlife, but whenever someone confronts the Seneschal, the pawn returns in their original form to fight alongside their master one final time.

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** The way I interpretted it is that in taking the Arisen's form, becoming human has also turned the pawn into a mortal, so of course they had to have died by the time the cycle resets. I think for the most part the pawn just kicks back in the afterlife, but whenever someone confronts the Seneschal, the pawn returns in their original form to fight alongside their master one final time.time.
** I always felt that New Game Plus' entire existence is built on what would happen if your previous Arisen didn't kill themselves and took on the role of Seneschal in full. This is them recreating the events that led to Savan's usurping.
8th Jan '15 9:53:40 PM ChaoticQueen
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** In New Game Plus, instead of the little bit where you play as Savan, it just says something along the lines of countless generations passing. I take it as taking place after "countless generations", where everyone is actually the IdenticalGrandson of the character from the previous save file. (So NewGamePlus!Quina would be PreviousSave!Quina's great-great-great granddaughter, etc...) So you're simply playing a new Arisen created by your previous Arisen's dragon.

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** In New Game Plus, instead of the little bit where you play as Savan, it just says something along the lines of countless generations passing. I take it as taking place after "countless generations", where everyone is actually the IdenticalGrandson of the character from the previous save file. (So NewGamePlus!Quina would be PreviousSave!Quina's great-great-great granddaughter, etc...) So you're simply playing a new Arisen created by your previous Arisen's dragon.dragon.
** The way I interpretted it is that in taking the Arisen's form, becoming human has also turned the pawn into a mortal, so of course they had to have died by the time the cycle resets. I think for the most part the pawn just kicks back in the afterlife, but whenever someone confronts the Seneschal, the pawn returns in their original form to fight alongside their master one final time.
11th Jun '14 3:32:59 PM PutYaGunsOn
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* At the end, the arisen frees his/her pawn from the seneschal's realm, the pawn instantly takes the form of the arisen, (Isn't that supposed to be gradual & aren't they supposed to look the way the arisen would if they were whatever age the pawn is?) & the pawn lives in place of the arisen (in the body of their loved one whose bloody suicide they just witnessed) alongside the arisen's beloved. The question is: Why is your former pawn with your former arisen at the end of New Game Plus & who are you controlling in New Game Plus? You can't be controlling the pawn from the previous file because that doesn't make any sense.

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* At the end, the arisen frees his/her pawn from the seneschal's realm, the pawn instantly takes the form of the arisen, (Isn't that supposed to be gradual & aren't they supposed to look the way the arisen would if they were whatever age the pawn is?) & the pawn lives in place of the arisen (in the body of their loved one whose bloody suicide they just witnessed) alongside the arisen's beloved. The question is: Why is your former pawn with your former arisen at the end of New Game Plus & who are you controlling in New Game Plus? You can't be controlling the pawn from the previous file because that doesn't make any sense.sense.
** In New Game Plus, instead of the little bit where you play as Savan, it just says something along the lines of countless generations passing. I take it as taking place after "countless generations", where everyone is actually the IdenticalGrandson of the character from the previous save file. (So NewGamePlus!Quina would be PreviousSave!Quina's great-great-great granddaughter, etc...) So you're simply playing a new Arisen created by your previous Arisen's dragon.
1st May '14 10:45:40 AM bassforte
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***[[spoiler:The latter seems more likely considering when you take his place, you can go back to town and see that the hole is already fixed. It might just be that the hole is only a kick in the pants for the current Arisen to hurry up and face his final battle. After that fight, win or lose, the world is reset just a little bit to keep things from being unnecessarily hellish.]]
7th Apr '14 3:25:39 PM DYellowMadness
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** Entirely wrong. The game tells you how this works. Seneschal gets sick of being god. he creates a dragon. dragon marks Arisen. Arisen dies like a bitch. Dragon marks an arisen. Arisen pussies out and sells their girlfriend. Dragon creates arisen. Arisen tells the dragon to fuck right off, goes to get drunk in a cave. Dragon marks Arisen. Arisen kills the dragon, gets bored with life and jumps in a hole. Seneschal kills Arisen, throws them back as the latest dragon some time later. New Dragon marks more Arisen. After a few false starts, dragon comes back and marks arisen. Arisen kills dragon. Arisen kills and replaces seneschal. Seneschal gets bored and makes a new dragon out of one of the other arisen.

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** Entirely wrong. The game tells you how this works. Seneschal gets sick of being god. he creates a dragon. dragon marks Arisen. Arisen dies like a bitch. Dragon marks an arisen. Arisen pussies out and sells their girlfriend. Dragon creates arisen. Arisen tells the dragon to fuck right off, goes to get drunk in a cave. Dragon marks Arisen. Arisen kills the dragon, gets bored with life and jumps in a hole. Seneschal kills Arisen, throws them back as the latest dragon some time later. New Dragon marks more Arisen. After a few false starts, dragon comes back and marks arisen. Arisen kills dragon. Arisen kills and replaces seneschal. Seneschal gets bored and makes a new dragon out of one of the other arisen.arisen.
* At the end, the arisen frees his/her pawn from the seneschal's realm, the pawn instantly takes the form of the arisen, (Isn't that supposed to be gradual & aren't they supposed to look the way the arisen would if they were whatever age the pawn is?) & the pawn lives in place of the arisen (in the body of their loved one whose bloody suicide they just witnessed) alongside the arisen's beloved. The question is: Why is your former pawn with your former arisen at the end of New Game Plus & who are you controlling in New Game Plus? You can't be controlling the pawn from the previous file because that doesn't make any sense.
7th Apr '14 3:17:03 PM DYellowMadness
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** I've killed him in one hit with my standard attack on nearly every file I've ever had despite always skipping tons of quests & I've used nearly every class. That means he's easier than any bandit. He could never beat the dragon. I never was able to beat him unarmed without overleveling though. For some reason he becomes a marathon boss &, therefore, the 2nd toughest enemy in the game when I'm unarmed.
7th Apr '14 3:06:51 PM DYellowMadness
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** I usually play as a child which turns the romance & the statements that Quina & Valmiro are your childhood friends really stupid. Why would they specify such things in a game that gives you pretty much everything you need to make your character look whatever age you want?

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** I usually play as a child which turns the romance & the statements that Quina & Valmiro are your childhood friends really stupid.ridiculous. Why would they specify such things in a game that gives you pretty much everything you need to make your character look whatever age you want?
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