History Headscratchers / DoomEternal

* What's up with that giant naked Maykr corpse in the pool in the the room just before the boss fight with Khan Maykr?

[[folder:Taking the gun]]

* Why does the Slayer take the plasma gun off the soldier in the Phobos base? It seemed pragmatic in the trailer, but he already has a plasma gun at that point, so it seems more vindictive in game.

** On the pragmatic end the people said guard works for are not exactly friends of the slayer, and while its unlikely do to the current demon situation best not to risk being shot in the back

** It's heavily implied even in ''2016'' that the Slayer came from an alternate Earth, as the UAC scientists noted how the Slayer's Praetor armor appears to be of Earth origin, but can't trace its source. ''Eternal'' also shows that both the Argent D'Nur empire and Hell spanned across multiple dimensions, so it's not out of the question the Slayer happened to find his way over from an alternate Earth through Hell.
** I'd like to add a line of dialogue from Hayden. While in Taras Nabad, he mention something about how Argent D'Nur has fallen, and how Earth will be different, “this time”.

** Adding to that, it's heavily implied that both Hell and Urdak are Multiversal Singularity, in that there is only one Hell and one Heaven, whereas there is an infinity of Earths.
** Confirmed as of ''The Ancient Gods: Part 1'' [[spoiler: this universes version of the Doom Slayer is the ''Dark Lord Davoth'' absolute Ruler of Hell and all Demons.]]

** Presumably, that was a task done by either the Hell Priests, or direct Maykr intervention given their intimate familiarity with the Wraiths and their energy.
** The wraiths are out in the open because they can only be killed with a Crucible, which was something that the demons kept deep under lock and key. No Crucible, no Wraith-killing. It's possible that they were left rooted there because the demons feared how powerful the Wraiths were (according to 2016, the Night Sentinels were founded to both protect the Wraiths, and protect other creatures from ''them''). It wasn't deemed worth the risk to try moving them when, as far as they knew, there was no way they could ever be killed.

* What is the timeline for the Slayer's rampage through Hell? The codexes in ''2016'' describe a conquest spanning from the beginning of the first age, and we're now in the fourth. Yet the Betrayer, who was a fully-grown man with a son old enough to die in battle and who is a big reason as to why the Slayer was in Hell for so long wrecking house in the first place, is still alive and still seemingly middle-aged in ''Eternal''? Not to mention that the entry on the Slayer in ''2016'' says that his sarcophagus appeared to be "millennia old" and the Cyberdemon is said to have been a Baalgar demon slain in an "ancient battle" in the third age.

** The first rampage was as Doomguy, then he got found by the sentinels and did his second even worse rampage as the Doom Slayer. Which probably makes him worse to the demons compared to the Betrayer and other heroes that rampaged Hell as Doomguy was there from the start of their invasion and only gets stronger while other died or burned out.

* How exactly did the deal with the UAC Cultists work? The flavor text claims that the (yet uncorrupted) humans siding with Hell worked alongside the Hell Priests to develop cyborg demon tech and aid them in their earth conquest, but we never really see any beyond Olivia in the first game the UAC Spokesperson in the holograms. When we're at the Cultist Base there's no humans at all. Surely by now they know most of them will turn into zombie husks if they keep working with demons right? Outside of the higher ups possibly getting high ranks why would so many work for literal demons?
** To add on to this, when you visit Phobos station the (still living) UAC employees are fighting off a Demon attack, which is confusing as they're supposed to be allies, and the bridge crew are completely in the dark and confused when corporate tells them to "Let them [the demons] through." The exact context of the UAC's alliance with Hell greatly contradicts the flavor text imo.
** Simple. The higher ranks were corrupt, but the lower ones were not. The higher ranks...are at the center of the corruption. By the time Doom Slayer gets to them, they've all [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness outlived their usefulness]], and are corrupted. They THINK that at least some of them can become like the Hell Priests...and are wrong. Much like Olivia.
** To expand, the UAC had been operating as a cult for a long time, with the lower ranks being led to believe that they would get some kind of reward in Hell for their servitude. The events of ''2016'' proved to the ones that survived that they were just being used by the higher ups and that nothing but eternal misery awaited them. So, they took what resources they could and fought against new management (Deag Ranak). At first, there might have been some hesitation to work with the ARC since it was being headed by Hayden, part of the old guard of UAC leadership, but Olivia was the real head honcho of the cult stuff and Hayden only tolerated it as far as it continued to generate Argent. The BFG 10000 likely smoothed over any hard feelings.

** Keep in mind that the Spider Master-mind was killed in the original Doom games, but got resurrected in Doom 2016 by using Oliva Pierce as a host. I imagine the same thing happened with the Betrayer's son.

* Is there any particular reason why couldn't the Doom Slayer himself retrieve his Super Shotgun? He took a control of a Revenant and made it get it for him instead.

* So are the Maykrs angels or not? The game tells you that they are aliens yet the game also tells you that Urdak is basically Heaven or a heavenlike afterlife.

** For all intent they are but they have stopped doing their job for a while. Urdak was supposed to be a paradise for the Sentinels that died in crusades but after the deal with Hell they seem to just toss all the souls in Nekravol. If they were not full on evil before the Father leaving and deal with Hell they likely did allowed the sentinels to ascend, which is why they are ghosts instead of fuel. They aren't however Earth's angels and most of the dichotomy of Heaven and Hell was made up by them so people follow their rules.

* Why can't the super shotgun's meathook be used as actual grappling hook? Yes, I know it's ''called'' a meathook but if it can embed in a freakin' cyber-mancubus's armor, You'd think it could embed in a normal concrete wall/cliff face.

* What are those medals that the slayer leave behind after each priest's death and where did he got them?

** Worth noting that the Slayer apparently had the first medal with him before the game begin, and the third come floating from the corpse of the Gladiator. Supposedly, the second medal could have come from the corpse of the first doom hunter. Maybe it's supposed to represent a link between the priest and his guardian, in that the priest can't be killed until his guardian is killed. With that in mind, maybe it's all a hint about a DLC taking place before the campaign, explaining how the slayer got the first medal and killed the guardian of the first priest.

** There is a codex lore about them being different than the destructive titans like the Icon. They are more like the blind demon that sort souls in that their use for Hell is not an offensive one. As for what will happen to them the Doom Slayer is just gonna kill them with the other demons remaining on Earth.

** Hell knights? In Doom 2016 he was just walking around and letting his guards doing the killing and dying in his resilient suit with force field on, he isn't a fighter just a scientist with a lot of good gadgets to not die but nothing we saw of him shows he is any good at rip and tearing demons even if he has a crucible. Doom Slayer is a demon killing machine and can still be murdered by imps and zombies if he is not careful Hayden will not be able to withstand a direct encounter with the demons if they get serious on him.

** It's not specifically the Crucible that stops a Titan, it's a weapon that uses pure concentrated Argent energy, the Crucible is the Doom Slayer's personal weapon, the Betrayers hammer or the Maruder's axes could do the same thing, the Betrayer specifically tosses you, what looks to be an Argent pocket knife, presumably because he knew the Doom Slayer would encounter [[spoiler: his son the Icon of Sin]], but didn't have the crucible back yet.

** The Maykrs aren't genderless, the Seraphim and angel you met are guys, way it is said to work in the lore is that at one point their conscious will form around one of them that becomes a Khan with no real say if they have to be female or male although the image of HiveMind and the Father being the one that renew the process fits more when it's a queen bug they might not always be female.

* I am doing an Achievement Hunt and got to the last level, and I noticed something: the Icon of Sin places both hands on the building you are standing on, then his head rises, and you are roughly at level with his belly / groin. Halfway through the fight, he turns and simply walks away. You remain roughly level with his lower back / buttocks. So, why did he rise that way? Was he squatting in front of that particular building, waiting for the Doom Slayer? How long was he waiting there? I know the two are prophesized to fight, but in that case, why was he walking around in the first place? Why didn't he immediately engage the Doom Slayer in combat?
** The Icon was not active for a while, maybe he was doing some stretches? If you were about to fight your prophesied nemesis, and knew he was coming soon, you would want to limber up first too.

* Okay so is confirmed the Vega is The Father, the source of all creation, converted into a machine by Samur Maykr so that he could look over humanity in secret even though he had no recollection of who he was, in part to keep him safe from demons. Firstly, how? The Father departed from the realms and his key to resurrection was hidden away and somehow Samur Maykr took a part of The Father, the most powerful being in existance and placed him in computer. Second, why? If you're worried that The Father will be consumed by the forces of Hell and they'll gain the power of the multiverse potentially becoming truely immortal, why would you then place him in direct harms way at the one point in the Earthly realm you purposely created a two way portal to Hell. And Thirdy, Samur Maykr leaves Vega to die and it's only the Slayer that decides to back him up in a USB Flash Drive.
** Samur was the right hand of the Father and was basically given to him to hide, at the cost of his place among the Maykrs for essentially dooming them to Transfiguration. All the fluff about him departing the realms was just that: fluff. He had his life sphere entombed in a safe place no demon could access, and trusted Samur with the rest. It's also possible that Samur/Samuel had hoped that Vega could find a way to undo all the corruption done to the demons and the Hell realm which is why he was on Mars. Finally... I'm sure that Samur/Samuel counted on the Slayer feeling pity for a being that had no motivations against him. That backup button was fairly obvious on the terminal back on the Vega core, so it surely had to be planned. Samur knew that the Slayer is ambivalent and perhaps sympathetic to anyone who isn't a demon or hoping to exploit them, so him seeing all the files detailing Vega surely would have pushed him into getting the Father off Mars in the best, safest way possible: with the Slayer.

[[folder: How did the Intern chart a course for the Holt...]]

** The collective mind of the Makyrs?

** It is stated in one codex that he's inexplicably gone missing, and it's thrown all the Makyers into a panic. In particular, his absence has disrupted the Makyer life cycle (in that they cannot resurrect after death anymore) essentially turning them into a DyingRace. This is why the Khan Makyer was desperate enough to strike a bargain with hell in the first place, using Argent Energy as a crude substitute to keep her race going in the Father's absence.

* Why does Hayden suddenly display extensive knowledge of the Makyrs and Argent despite having made no mention of them in Doom 2016? If he was Samur Makyr all along why did he spend the whole previous game arguing in favour of Argent Energy rather than admitting he knew it was bad and was working on a synthetic replacement?

** Assuming that the Maykers weren't just lying to their subservient races, like the Sentinels, they were probably locked in whatever collective consciousness that the Maykers are part of so there wouldn't be any resistance to the Mayker allegiance with Hell to create Argent Energy and keep the current Maykers alive forever.
** Just before the fight with Khan Makyr, near the pool with the giant naked Maykr, you can see glowing humanoid figures with halo-like sigils above them in what appear to be stasis tanks. It's a WildMassGuess, but maybe these are the human souls?

* Okay so is confirmed the Vega is The Father, the source of all creation, converted into a machine by Samur Makyr so that he could look over humanity in secret even though he had no recollection of who he was, in part to keep him safe from demons. Firstly, how? The Father departed from the realms and his key to resurrection was hidden away and somehow Samur Makyr took a part of The Father, the most powerful being in existance and placed him in computer. Second, why? If you're worried that The Father will be consumed by the forces of Hell and they'll gain the power of the multiverse potentially becoming truely immortal, why would you then place him in direct harms way at the one point in the Earthly realm you purposely created a two way portal to Hell. And Thirdy, Samur Makyr leaves Vega to die and it's only the Slayer that decides to back him up in a USB Flash Drive.
** Samur was the right hand of the Father and was basically given to him to hide, at the cost of his place among the Maykers for essentially dooming them to Transfiguration. All the fluff about him departing the realms was just that: fluff. He had his life sphere entombed in a safe place no demon could access, and trusted Samur with the rest. It's also possible that Samur/Samuel had hoped that Vega could find a way to undo all the corruption done to the demons and the Hell realm which is why he was on Mars. Finally... I'm sure that Samur/Samuel counted on the Slayer feeling pity for a being that had no motivations against him. That backup button was fairly obvious on the terminal back on the Vega core, so it surely had to be planned. Samur knew that the Slayer is ambivalent and perhaps sympathetic to anyone who isn't a demon or hoping to exploit them, so him seeing all the files detailing Vega surely would have pushed him into getting the Father off Mars in the best, safest way possible: with the Slayer.

[[folder: (AG1) How did the Intern chart a course for the Holt...]]

** [[spoiler: The Ancient Gods DLC has the answer: Samuel Hayden was a clone body that Samur Makyr transferred his consciousness into.]]

** Urdak has a heaven-themed aesthetic but nothing in the game says it's literally a heavenly good afterlife, it's just another dimension.

* I am doing an Achievement Hunt and got to the last level, and I noticed something: the Icon of Sin places both hands on the building you are standing on, then his head rises, and you are roughly at level with his belly / groin. Halfway through the fight, he turns and simply walks away. You remain roughly level with his lower back / buttocks. So, why did he rise that way? Was he squatting in front of that particular building, waiting for the Doom Slayer? How long was he waiting there? I know the two are prophesized to fight, but in that case, why was he walking around in the first place? Why didn't he immediately engage the Doom Slayer in combat?

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** The Maykrs aren't genderless, the Seraphim and angel you met are guys, way it is said to work in the lore is that at one point their conscious will form around one of them that becomes a Khan with no real say if theyt have to be female or male although the image of HiveMind and the Father being the one that renew the process fits more when it's a queen bug they might not always be female.