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** Demons are [[spoiler: undead, being, essentially mutated corpses, the Revenant enemy is basically how ALL demons are basically made, only much slower, so being "Mortally Challenged" is actually an accurate description.]]
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* What is mortally challenged even supposed to mean? I get that its a joke about the UAC trying to come off as PC over their affiliations with the demons and give them a new "polite" name, but what is it even supposed to mean?
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*** That could be it, given that the room Hayden is kept in is also the room you fight the first Marauder (though that one portals in, so uh)
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** From the way he bows to King Novik, it is clear that the Slayer till holds ''some'' esteem to Sentinel law and protocols even if he will still pursue his own path. He is also likely aware that the Sentinels are HonourBeforeReason types. It is possible that by killing the corrupt leadership (the priests and their Maykr overlords) and not harming the rest of the Sentinels, he hoped to encourage a few of them to become DefectorFromDecadence without forcing them to lose face. The fact that the King and Valen later supported the Slayer's actions could support that.
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* At the start of the Mars Core mission, when the Slayer is walking through the Phobos Base command centre, you can hear MissionControl being informed that "Corporate tells us to let them through", with a second person responding with "Wait, why?"

Now, by "corporate", we can assume they meant the UAC, given this is a UAC base. But as this base is fighting against the demonic invasion, they cannot be the UAC faction that turned cultists, so they must be ARC-affiliated. But then, why are they looking for authorisation from "Corporate" on what to do. And why are they so surprised that corporate is telling them to let the demons through, given that by this point, UAC's demonic affiliation should be known to everyone.

If by "Corporate", they meant the ARC-affiliated UAC faction led by Hayden, why is ARC telling them to "let the demons through"? Surely, a "commence retreat" type of statement like the one we heard at the ARC base would make sense if ARC decided the base is lost.

So what is going on? Is this some weird holdover from an earlier draft when the UAC's affiliation was less clear?

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* At the start of the Mars Core mission, when the Slayer is walking through the Phobos Base command centre, you can hear MissionControl being informed that "Corporate tells us to let them [the demons] through", with a second person responding with "Wait, why?"

** Now, by "corporate", we can assume they meant the UAC, given this is a UAC base. But as this base is fighting against the demonic invasion, they cannot be the UAC faction that turned cultists, so they must be ARC-affiliated. But then, why are they looking for authorisation from "Corporate" on what to do. do? And why are they so surprised that corporate is telling them to let the demons through, given that by this point, UAC's demonic affiliation should be known to everyone.

** If by "Corporate", they meant the ARC-affiliated UAC faction led by Hayden, why is ARC telling them to "let the demons through"? Surely, a "commence retreat" type of statement like the one we heard at the ARC base would make sense if ARC decided the base is lost.

** So what is going on? Is this some weird holdover from an earlier draft when the UAC's affiliation was less clear?
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* At the start of the Mars Core mission, when the Slayer is walking through the Phobos Base command centre, you can hear MissionControl being informed that "Corporate tells us to let them through", with a second person responding with "Wait, why?"

Now, by "corporate", we can assume they meant the UAC, given this is a UAC base. But as this base is fighting against the demonic invasion, they cannot be the UAC faction that turned cultists, so they must be ARC-affiliated. But then, why are they looking for authorisation from "Corporate" on what to do. And why are they so surprised that corporate is telling them to let the demons through, given that by this point, UAC's demonic affiliation should be known to everyone.

If by "Corporate", they meant the ARC-affiliated UAC faction led by Hayden, why is ARC telling them to "let the demons through"? Surely, a "commence retreat" type of statement like the one we heard at the ARC base would make sense if ARC decided the base is lost.

So what is going on? Is this some weird holdover from an earlier draft when the UAC's affiliation was less clear?

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** His goal was to kill Grav and leave. Killing any more Sentinels would not only make no progress in the mission, they'd actively hunt the Slayer down or even try to kill him on the spot.

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** His goal was to kill Grav and leave. Killing any more Sentinels would not only make no progress in the mission, but they'd also actively hunt the Slayer down or even try to kill him on the spot.



*** It would seem this isn't so: According to [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRm1jxpyVr0 recent interviews conducted with Hugo Martin]], the Dark Lord had absolutely no hand in Doomguy's birth. This makes it likely that he either lucked out into becoming the Slayer or is potentially being guided by this "higher entity" Martin has been hinting towards in these interviews.



** The Slayer took the Dark Lord's orb because he already knew that killing him would also kill all demons outside of Hell. As for the other orb, it contained VEGA's physical form AKA the impostor Father who the Maykrs started crediting with Davoth's creations to try and cover up that they betrayed the real Father and caused him to turn into a genocidal demon god.

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** The Slayer took the Dark Lord's orb because he already knew that killing him would also kill all demons outside of Hell. As for the other orb, it contained VEGA's physical form AKA the impostor Father who the Maykrs started crediting with Davoth's creations creations, as an attempt to try and cover up that they betrayed the real Father and caused him to turn into a genocidal demon god.
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\n** [[spoiler: It's probably still the Dark Lord. They just changed it to avoid a spoiler since your not meant to know about him until the DLC.]]

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** Well, as it turns out Vega was never The Father, just an AI that assumed the role. And Samur was corrupted by The Dark Lord, influencing his decisions. Which makes a bit more sense but still, does come across as WritingByTheSeatOfYourPants.


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** They're either sapient and intelligent enough to recognize the meaning behind the signal being activated, or they're beasts of war trained by the Sentinels and were sent to assist. Plus they look pretty darn cool.
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[[folder: What's with the dragons in the second dlc?]]
* You encounter the first one when right near [[StarScraper The World Spear,]] which helpfully gives you a ride. Later, in Immora, there are a bunch of them helping the Sentinels invade. So, what the hell are these dragons and why have they never shown up (or even been mentioned) until now? And why does one [[DeusExMachina just happen to show up at the exact time and place that The Doomslayer would need a ride?]]
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** The Slayer took the Dark Lord's orb because he already knew that killing him would also kill all demons outside of Hell. As for the other orb, it contained VEGA's physical form AKA the impostor Father who the Maykrs started crediting with Davoth's creations to try and cover up that they betrayed the real Father and caused him to turn into a genocidal demon god.
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* Why exactly did Doomguy take the Dark Lord's orb instead of the Father's? He didn't know the truth about the Dark Lord then.
* If the Dark Lord ''is'' the same person as the Father, who was in the other orb?
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** His goal was to kill Grav and leave. Killing any more Sentinels would not only make no progress in the mission, they'd actively hunt the Slayer down or even try to kill him on the spot.
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** He more than likely planned it all out. If Doomguy never became the Slayer nor was found by the Hell Priests, his revenge would never come to pass. And while the Spider Mastermind, the Icon of Sin, the Mother Demon and more may have led the forces of Hell over the years, in the end they all had to come from somewhere...

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** He more than likely planned it all out. If Doomguy never became the Slayer nor was found by the Hell Priests, his revenge would never come to pass. And while the Spider Mastermind, the Icon of Sin, the Mother Demon and more may have led the forces of Hell over the years, in the end they all had to come from somewhere... That being said though, this probably still has minimal impact on the classic games: Davoth just willed a guy into being born, the guy looked like him in adulthood, he became badass and he got screwed over by demons.
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** He more than likely planned it all out. If Doomguy never became the Slayer nor was found by the Hell Priests, his revenge would never come to pass. And while the Spider Mastermind, the Icon of Sin, the Mother Demon and more may have led the forces of Hell over the years, in the end they all had to come from somewhere...
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** ''The Ancient Gods Part Two'' puts this at ease; [[spoiler:upon the Dark Lord's death, he takes all demons outside Hell with them, this most likely including the Titans. In short, they're dead.]]
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** For the first medal, he could have gotten it from when he killed the Spider Mastermind, when he got the Fortress, or even just from the first Cacodemon of the game.
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** In that regard, Samuel probably sent the Slayer to Sentinel Prime, where the Fortress of Doom laid abandoned until he got it working and in Earth's vicinity.

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* It's stated multiple times in the codex entries of ''The Ancient Gods: Part 2'' that Davoth masterminded the creation of the Slayer "in his image", from manipulating the Khan Maykr into creating the Divinity Machine to planting the seeds of doubt within Samur's mind that ultimately gave rise to the Slayer. Are we also led to believe that the events leading up to Doomguy becoming the Doom Slayer were also preordained by Davoth as well?
Were the events of ''The Ultimate Doom'', ''Doom 2'', ''Doom 64'' and everything in between all orchestrated to ensure that Doomguy would end up falling into the hands of the Sentinels and inevitably assuming the role of the Slayer? Or was it just extremely poor luck on Davoth's behalf that, out of all the Argenta warriors that Samur could've shoved into the Divinity Machine, it was the one angry foreigner whose previous experiences with Hell have manifested into an absolute zero-tolerance stance on anything remotely demonic in origin or association?

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* It's stated multiple times in the codex entries of ''The Ancient Gods: Part 2'' that Davoth masterminded the creation of the Slayer "in his image", from manipulating the Khan Maykr into creating the Divinity Machine to planting the seeds of doubt within Samur's mind that ultimately gave rise to the Slayer. Are we also led to believe that the events leading up to Doomguy becoming the Doom Slayer were also preordained by Davoth as well?
well? Were the events of ''The Ultimate Doom'', ''Doom 2'', ''Doom 64'' and everything in between all orchestrated to ensure that Doomguy would end up falling into the hands of the Sentinels and inevitably assuming the role of the Slayer? Or was it just extremely poor luck on Davoth's behalf that, out of all the Argenta warriors that Samur could've shoved into the Divinity Machine, it was the one angry foreigner whose previous experiences with Hell have manifested into an absolute zero-tolerance stance on anything remotely demonic in origin or association?
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** [[spoiler: The Ancient DLC has the answer: it was the Dark Lord.]]

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** [[spoiler: The ''The Ancient DLC Gods: Part 1'' has the answer: it was the Dark Lord.]]
** [[spoiler: ''The Ancient Gods: Part 2'' changed the subtitles back to crediting it as a "Mysterious Voice", so we're back to square 1.]]

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** Because the Sentinels largely still follow HonorBeforeReason. Even though they are leading Hell's forces, the Hell Priests are still highly ranked members of Sentinel society and direct agents of the Maykers who the Sentinels worship. Novik apparently is unwilling to break his own people's ancient laws.

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** Because the Sentinels largely still follow HonorBeforeReason. Even though they are leading Hell's forces, the Hell Priests are still highly ranked members of Sentinel society and direct agents of the Maykers Maykrs who the Sentinels worship. Novik apparently is unwilling to break his own people's ancient laws.


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* It's stated multiple times in the codex entries of ''The Ancient Gods: Part 2'' that Davoth masterminded the creation of the Slayer "in his image", from manipulating the Khan Maykr into creating the Divinity Machine to planting the seeds of doubt within Samur's mind that ultimately gave rise to the Slayer. Are we also led to believe that the events leading up to Doomguy becoming the Doom Slayer were also preordained by Davoth as well?
Were the events of ''The Ultimate Doom'', ''Doom 2'', ''Doom 64'' and everything in between all orchestrated to ensure that Doomguy would end up falling into the hands of the Sentinels and inevitably assuming the role of the Slayer? Or was it just extremely poor luck on Davoth's behalf that, out of all the Argenta warriors that Samur could've shoved into the Divinity Machine, it was the one angry foreigner whose previous experiences with Hell have manifested into an absolute zero-tolerance stance on anything remotely demonic in origin or association?

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