History Headscratchers / DoomEternal

*** That's pretty much what happened in Doom 64. After the events in Doom 2, the Mother Demon managed to mount a counterattack by simply reanimating all the fallen hell warriors.

* What’s up with that giant naked Maykr corpse in the pool in the the room just before the boss fight with Khan Maykr?
** It may have been the corpse of a previous Khan Maykr. However, the main meta reason is that it serves as {{Foreshadowing}} about the true nature of the Maykrs, as they heavily resemble demons themselves both in appearance and motivation.

** I’d like to add a line of dialogue from Hayden. While in Taras Nabad, he mention something about how Argent D’Nur has fallen, and how Earth will be different, “this time”.

** Adding to that, it’s heavily implied that both Hell and Urdak are Multiversal Singularity, in that there is only one Hell and one Heaven, whereas there is an infinity of Earths.

*** The demons took the capital planet with the top prize, the Wraiths, but left the smaller colonies, got it. But what about Hell not having access to Wraith energy post ''2016''?
*** Presumably, that was a task done by either the Hell Priests, or direct Makyr intervention given their intimate familiarity with the Wraiths and their energy.

** WMG here, but it’s possible the demons threw in Immortality into their deal with the Betrayer. They planned on resurrecting his son as the Icon of Sin anyway, so making the old man suffer for eternity seems like a cherry on top. Considering the Betrayer also possessed the knife that could stab the [=IoS=]’s heart, it may be that he was linked to the Icon, staying alive as it did. Further, time might move differently in Hell; 1000 years could’ve passed for Doomguy, but only 100 or so outside.

* If the Khan Makyr can only be killed in her own domain on Urdak (as they say in the first level), why does she ever go there [[JustEatGilligan considering she would be impossible to kill if she just stayed somewhere else.]] Imagine if you had CompleteImmortality but could only be killed if you went to, say, Rhode Island. Why would you ever go there?
** Might be backwards. Some of the codex lore implies that Urdak itself lies in/is a higher dimension. So, the Khan Maykr is always stationary, and the one that interacts with lesser races would be an Avatar, [[FightingAShadow and destroying that would be pointless.]] VEGA just words it the way he does so Doom Slayer doesn’t waste bullets.

** The reason no makyr want to set foot in Hell and the like is that they can be killed.

** Keep in mind that the Spider Master-mind was killed in the original Doom games, but got resurrected in Doom 2016 by using Oliva Pierce as a host. I imagine the same thing happened with the Betrayer's son

* So are the Makyrs angels or not? The game tells you that they are aliens yet the game also tells you that Urdak is basically Heaven or a heavenlike afterlife.

* What are those medals that the slayer leave behind after each priest’s death and where did he got them?

** Worth noting that the Slayer apparently had the first medal with him before the game begin, and the third come floating from the corpse of the Gladiator. Supposedly, the second medal could have come from the corpse of the first doom hunter. Maybe it’s supposed to represent a link between the priest and his guardian, in that the priest can’t be killed until his guardian is killed. With that in mind, maybe it’s all a hint about a DLC taking place before the campaign, explaining how the slayer got the first medal and killed the guardian of the first priest.

* Where is The Father (who's implied to be {{God}} himself) during all of this? You'd think he'd be appauled about what the Makyrs are doing, though maybe [[GodIsEvil he's fine with it?]]

*** Given they have their own Crucibles, more than likely a Marauder.

* Why is the Khan Makyr female(instead of genderless like the rest of the makyrs?) Have all the previous Khan Makyrs been female? Or not?
** The Maykrs aren't genderless, the Seraphim and angel you met are guys, way it is said to work in the lore is that at one point their conscious will form around one of them that becomes a Khan with no real say if theyt have to be female or male although the image of HiveMind and the Father being the one that renew the process fits more when it's a queen bug they might not always be female.

* Why is the Khan Makyr female(instead of genderless like the rest of the makyrs?) Have all the previous Khan Makyrs been female? Or not?

** A crucible is defined as a "heat-resistant container in which materials can be heated to very high temperatures". Throughout fiction, crucibles have been used as a way to melt different materials together; it's possible that's what the name refers to.

** Crucible has more than one meaning, literally it's a cauldron but figuratively it's a harsh test or trial, expression popularized by the book of the same name. It's like wondering why a sword is called Judgment.

** Crucible has more than one meaning, literally it's a cauldron but figuratively it's a harsh test or trial, expression popularized by the book of the same name. It's like wondering why a sword is called Judgement.

* Why is the Crucible called that? It's a magic key/sword, not a molten cauldron. Does Id just think the name sounds cool and don't care it means?

** WMG here, but it’s possible the demons threw in Immortality into their deal with the Betrayer. They planned on resurrecting his son as the Icon of Sin anyway, so making the old man suffer for eternity seems like a cherry on top. Considering the Betrayer also possessed the knife that could stab the IoS’s heart, it may be that he was linked to the Icon, staying alive as it did. Further, time might move differently in Hell; 1000 years could’ve passed for Doomguy, but only 100 or so outside.

** [[WatsonianVsDoylist My Watsonian side]] says that the Slayer wanted to give the grunt a reminder that he's the only one who can really handle this and to stay out of his way. My Doylist side says that they probably originally intended for this part to happen earlier on in the game and that this would be how you got the Plasma Rifle, but changes to the gameplay flow and narrative structure shunted it too late in the campaign. It was a great moment (one that they showed in the initial gameplay blowout at QuakeCon 2018 to thunderous applause) that they clearly spent a lot of time perfecting and they couldn't stand taking it out.

** Simple. The higher ranks were corrupt, but the lower ones were not. The higher ranks...are at the center of the corruption. By the time Doom Slayer gets to them, they've all OutlivedTheirUsefulness, and are corrupted. They THINK that at least some of them can become like the Hell Priests...and are wrong. Much like Olivia.

** The Titan in Hell was retrofitted into a lair and the Icon of Sin was just waiting to be rebuilt, it's likely the crucible is more to stops demon from claiming the Titans back because if you dismember them across the landscape of Hell they won't be able to come back on their own.

** The Titant in Hell was retrofitted into a lair and the Icon of Sin was just waiting to be rebuilt, it's likely the crucible is more to stops demon from claiming the Titans back because if you dismember them across the landscape of Hell they won't be able to come back on their own.

** Most of the ARC revers the Slayer as a guardian angel if not a god, so I doubt that. [[WatsonianVsDoylist My Watsonian side]] says that the Slayer wanted to give the grunt a reminder that he's the only one who can really handle this and to stay out of his way. My Doylist side says that they probably originally intended for this part to happen earlier on in the game and that this would be how you got the Plasma Rifle, but changes to the gameplay flow and narrative structure shunted it too late in the campaign. It was a great moment (one that they showed in the initial gameplay blowout at QuakeCon 2018 to thunderous applause) that they clearly spent a lot of time perfecting and they couldn't stand taking it out.

* What is the timeline for the Slayer's rampage through Hell? The codexes in ''2016'' describe a conquest spanning from the beginning of the first age, and we're now in the fourth. Yet the Betrayer, who was a fully-grown man with a son old enough to die in battle and who is a big reason as to why the Slayer was in Hell for so long wrecking house in the first place, is still alive and still seemingly middle-aged in ''Eternal''? Not to mention that the entry on the Slayer in ''2016'' says that his sarcophagus appeared to be "millennia old", the Cyberdemon is said to have been a Baalgar demon slain in an "ancient battle" in the third age.

** The codexes describe that the Doomguy/Doom Slayer has been around since the start of hell's existence, meaning that either Hell's 'ages' are improbably short, or it [[YearInsideHourOutside has]] a [[TimeyWimeyBall temporal problem]] of [[GroundhogDay one form]] or [[YearOutsideHourInside another]].

** The Titant in Hell was retrofitted into a lair and the Icon of Sin was just waiting to be rebuilt, it's likely the crucible is more to stops demon from claiming the Titans back because if you dismember them across the landscape of Hell they won't be able to come back on their own.

* What are the tokens that the Slayer presents to each Hell Priest? And why do they resemble Praetor Tokens?

** The Titant in Hell was retrofitted into a lair and the Icon of Sin was just waiting to be rebuilt, it's likely the crucible is more to stops demon from claiming the Titans back because if you dismember them across the landscape of Hell they won't be able to come back on their own.

** The Titant in Hell was retrofitted into a lair and the Icon of Sin was just waiting to be rebuilt, it's likely the crucible is more to stops demons from claiming the Titans back because if you dismember them across the landscape of Hell they won't be able to come back on their own.

* So, if Titans apparently can't be killed by conventional means and the best a person can hope to do to them is seal them with the Crucible, then how did the Doom Slayer kill the original Icon of Sin back when he was Doomguy and then later kill the Titan that Titan's Realm gets its name from during his rampage through Hell?

** Hell knights? In Doom 2016 he was just walking around and letting his guards doing the killing and dying in his resilient suit with force field on, he isn't a fighter just a scientist with a lot of good gadgets to not die but nothing we saw of him shows he is any good at rip and tearing demons even if he has a crucible. Doom Slayer is a demon killing machine and can still be murdered by imps and zombies if he is not careful Hayden will not be able to withstand a direct encounter with the demons if they get serious on him.

** Hell knights? In Doom 2016 he was just walking around and letting his guards doing the killing and dying in his resilient suit with force field on, he isn't a fighter just a scientist with a lot of good gadgets to not die but nothing we saw of him shows he is any good at rip and tearing demons even if he has a crucible.

** Sam was tough and resourceful enough to be the sole survivor of the initial demonic outbreak in Doom 2016. He also personally led the charge into hell to retrieve the slayer, from which only he returned. In Doom Eternal, he's competent enough as a leader to become the undisputed ruler of humanity during the greatest crisis it has ever faced. This is NOT a man to go down without a fight, yet he's a broken shell by the time we meet him. [[OffscreenMomentOfAwesome What did we miss]]?