History Headscratchers / DieHard

25th Mar '17 5:17:10 PM nombretomado
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** I've considered the situation a lot, actually, and figured there was nothing he could do. He had to be GenreSavvy to suspect the terrorists would shoot the glass, and wrap his feet in some clothes before (or just so not to have other disadvantages, like stepping in stuff that could hurt you without shoes, if not necessarily glass. But at that tension, it's amazing he had the ProperlyParanoid idea to disguise his name and his reason for being there in the first place. Probably wrapping his feet in something would have made him too much of a {{Chessmaster}}, or BruceWillis with his feet in clothes would have been too {{Narm}}y. Take your pick. Also, yes, he tried the shoes of the first terrorist and they didn't fit, so he thought "[[WhatCouldPossiblyGoWrong What the hell, I'm fine barefoot]]".

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** I've considered the situation a lot, actually, and figured there was nothing he could do. He had to be GenreSavvy to suspect the terrorists would shoot the glass, and wrap his feet in some clothes before (or just so not to have other disadvantages, like stepping in stuff that could hurt you without shoes, if not necessarily glass. But at that tension, it's amazing he had the ProperlyParanoid idea to disguise his name and his reason for being there in the first place. Probably wrapping his feet in something would have made him too much of a {{Chessmaster}}, or BruceWillis Creator/BruceWillis with his feet in clothes would have been too {{Narm}}y. Take your pick. Also, yes, he tried the shoes of the first terrorist and they didn't fit, so he thought "[[WhatCouldPossiblyGoWrong What the hell, I'm fine barefoot]]".
20th Mar '17 12:28:07 PM Sharlee
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** Possibly the bearer bonds ''are'' legal in Indonesia, which is the location of the building project Takagi mentions. If you have $640 million in shady assets to convert to untraceable paper, and you need to stash it someplace away from government scrutiny, stashing it in a country where such bonds aren't even salable isn't ''that'' stupid of an idea.

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** Possibly the bearer bonds ''are'' legal in Indonesia, which is the location of the building project Takagi mentions. If you have $640 million in shady assets to convert to untraceable paper, and you need to stash it someplace away from government scrutiny, stashing it in a country where such bonds aren't even salable until you're ready to transfer the lot isn't ''that'' stupid of an idea.
20th Mar '17 12:27:25 PM Sharlee
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** The bearer bonds are probably a holdover from the original novel the film is based on, where the terrorists are sincere rather than just pretending to be terrorists, and the corporation involved was profiting from arms dealing. In the movie itself the only hints that anything isn't on the up and up with Nakatomi are th scene where Hans admires the model, which is apparently a model of a Natatomi facility being built somewhere in the world that Takagi is possibly a little too quick to protest is all being built legally and without exploitation, and the bearer bonds themselves. At best, it hints at some sort of corporate tax dodging or embezzlement of some kind. At worst, it's trying to hide some kind of ill gotten profits by using an untraceable currency.

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** The bearer bonds are probably a holdover from the original novel the film is based on, where the terrorists are sincere rather than just pretending to be terrorists, and the corporation involved was profiting from arms dealing. In the movie itself the only hints that anything isn't on the up and up with Nakatomi are th the scene where Hans admires the model, which is apparently a model of a Natatomi Nakatomi facility being built somewhere in the world that Takagi is possibly a little too quick to protest is all being built legally and without exploitation, and the bearer bonds themselves. At best, it hints at some sort of corporate tax dodging or embezzlement of some kind. At worst, it's trying to hide some kind of ill gotten profits by using an untraceable currency.
** Possibly the bearer bonds ''are'' legal in Indonesia, which is the location of the building project Takagi mentions. If you have $640 million in shady assets to convert to untraceable paper, and you need to stash it someplace away from government scrutiny, stashing it in a country where such bonds aren't even salable isn't ''that'' stupid of an idea.
20th Mar '17 12:17:09 PM Sharlee
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** Or his daughter, for that matter? Heck, maybe the bear was for Holly and the kids were getting video games.



** Alternately, Hans ''does'' know which person in the crowd of hostages is Mr. Takagi, but he goes through the motions of "searching" for him as a psychological ploy. It's a way to test the nerve of his various captives - Do the employees sell out their boss by pointing him out? Does Takagi reveal himself voluntarily rather than let his workers be intimidated? - so that he can get a clear idea of how they'll respond to their captors' coercive methods. If anyone's going to get defiant, panic outright, or otherwise cause trouble, better to find that out sooner when his accomplices have the advantage than later, once they've spread out between the upper office and the vault.

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** Alternately, Hans ''does'' know which person in the crowd of hostages is Mr. Takagi, but he goes through the motions of "searching" for him as a psychological ploy. It's a way to test the nerve of his various captives - Do the employees sell out their boss by pointing him out? Does Takagi reveal himself voluntarily rather than let his workers be intimidated? - so that he can get a clear idea of how they'll respond to their captors' coercive methods. If anyone's going to get defiant, panic outright, or otherwise cause trouble, better to find that out sooner when his accomplices have the advantage total control than later, once they've spread out split their forces between the upper office and the vault.
20th Mar '17 12:14:53 PM Sharlee
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** Alternately, Hans ''does'' know which person in the crowd of hostages is Mr. Takagi, but he goes through the motions of "searching" for him as a psychological ploy. It's a way to test the nerve of his various captives - Do the employees sell out their boss by pointing him out? Does Takagi reveal himself voluntarily rather than let his workers be intimidated? - so that he can get a clear idea of how they'll respond to their captors' coercive methods. If anyone's going to get defiant, panic outright, or otherwise cause trouble, better to find that out sooner when his accomplices have the advantage than later, once they've spread out between the upper office and the vault.
15th Mar '17 10:30:18 PM CaptainCrawdad
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* If Sgt. Al Powell is assigned to a desk job, why is he driving around in a patrol vehicle and responding to calls?
** The impression I got was he was on his way home at the end of the shift, happened to be in the area for what was pitched to him as a milk-run, and decided to check it out real quick and head home.
*** Powell says that this is ''exactly'' what happens. Did you watch the movie?
*** Although the question has to be asked : why is he driving home at the end of his shift in a marked police car? Doesn't he have his own vehicle?
* In ''Die Hard With a Vengeance'', [=McClane=] and Zeus defuse a bomb in a park, and then carry it with them because some kids might be hurt. When they hand it over to the bad guys' {{Mooks}}, posing as cops, one starts to leave it behind when they're called back to base, [[EvenEvilHasStandards only for his partner to berate him for leaving it where it could hurt some kids]]. [[spoiler:When it later turns out the bomb planted in a school was a distraction, Simon points out that he could never hurt children, as he's not a monster.]]--{{Tropers.Jonn}}
** Also note that the bombs he *does* set off are in a storefront before business hours and in the subway station under Wall Street, neither of which would likely have any kids in it on a work day.
** However, when the first fake cop is finished berating his friend for considering leaving it, they take it with them. They later [[spoiler:use this bomb to blow up the dam, flooding the aqueduct. It was a live bomb. Simon may be a monster after all.]] That said, he may have anticipated the Good Samaritan's actions.
*** Think of Simon's plan: he '''wants''' [=McClane=] to [[spoiler:succeed all the way, only failing at the near impossible task of cutting across town to reach the destination train station. As part of this plan,]] the bomb's not going to go off, is it? -- Tropers/{{wkz}}
* Why does the electromagnetic lock from the first movie open when the power is cut? It would make a lot more sense to design it to remain closed unless power is applied to it.
** Electromagnets are only magnetic ''because'' of electricity, so if you cut off the power, then there ''is'' nothing to keep the electromagnet sealed.
** The electromagnetic lock was the only lock that was still working. Theo had gotten through or past all the rest of them. So when the power stops going to the electromagnetic lock, that means ''all'' the locks are open, so they can get through.
** I think the original poster's question is more, why did it ''withdraw'' when the power was cut? Nobody was pushing it aside, it slid open on its own. Which ought to require power for whatever motor normally moves the thing. If there's enough backup power for that motor (not to mention the alarms and flashing lights), the vault's designers really should've directed it to keeping the electromagnets ''on'' during a blackout.
*** Could be a safety backup. If there was no power, someone could get trapped in it.
* If Hans is able to effortlessly speak English with a perfect American accent, why does he bother speaking in a German accent at all? No one I know prefers to sound accented in any non-native language.
** Speaking in an American accent takes effort, speaking with his normal accent does not.
** He's also posing as a political terrorist, and in that time period, many of them were Marxist, including East German and sympathetic West German. The accent is part of the 'sell.'
** Why didn't they get Alan Rickman to do a German accent properly anyhow (he's obviously good with accents?) It's really distracting to have Hans Gruber sound so British, even if it is handwaved with him going to school in England.
*** He actually sounds a lot like most Germans who learn to speak English well without much of a German accent do.
** Hans criticizes American culture and society numerous times throughout the movie. Why would he use the accent of a country he clearly doesn't like too much?
*** That's an easy one - when he speaks in his American accent, it is for the sole purpose of trying to make [=McClane=] think he works there.
* How are Hans & co planning to exchange all the (let alone one) 100 000 $ papers without people noticing?
** Easy, Hans stated in the movie the true "treasure" they are looking behind Nakatomi´s safe is not money in regular paper, they are after the $640 millions in '''bearer''' bonds. This is an economic issue: bearer bonds are different from "normal" (registered) bonds since no records are kept of the buyer/owner, or the transactions made with them (like if you sell one of them to another private investor, even in a dark backalley), and they must be honored (paid) by the issuer up-front cash with no further questions. A smart move from Hans... (and this is why now bearer bonds are prohibited in most countries in the world, and all transactions with bonds and similar papers need to be registered, also as an anti-money laundering measure)
** To add to this, bearer bonds were only issued in sums of $10,000 or less.
*** As brought up by WebVideo/CinemaSins, this actually implies a different form of fridge logic - the film is set after America's Fiscal Responsibility Act came into enforcement. So what sort of shady dealings was Nakatomi involved in to be carrying that much untraceable currency?
* So in ''Good Day to Die Hard'', the bad guys have a seemingly magical chemical that can somehow eliminate radiation in an area to the point of being able to breathe and walk around without gas masks or protective suits. If that sort of chemical existed, whoever invented it should get the Nobel prize because that would eliminate all the nuclear waste and contamination problems in the world ever.
** There IS a gas called Brown's Gas that is capable of accelerating the rate at which radiation decays, reducing the amount of time before the area is safe to be outside of a hazmat suit, but it does not work NEARLY the same way as was shown in the movie. scientists estimate that it will be 20,000 years before the area around chernobyl becomes habitable again, and if Brown's Gas were used then it would reduce that time... to a few hundred or a few thousand years, This Troper is not sure how much it would accelerate the decay. And even if it DID work the way it was shown in the movie, they would need to spray ALL of Chernobyl and the entire surrounding area with that spray, not just the small area we were shown, an operation that would take weeks or months without a crop duster and a huge crew of people.
*** Also, the claims that Brown's Gas can even do this are somewhat disputed, after looking a few things up on google, I found that it's wikipedia page lists this under "Fringe Science." There were several sites that said the gas CAN be used this way, but none of them looked like trustworthy sites.
** Even if we are generous with our WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief and just accept that such a wonder-chemical exists in the ''Die Hard'' universe - why then wasn't that chemical already used years ago by the official authorities to decontaminate Chernobyl?
* As pointed out by ''WebVideo/CinemaSins'': "Nakatomi has $640 MILLION in bearer bonds? After the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_Equity_and_Fiscal_Responsibility_Act_of_1982 Fiscal Responsibility Act]] was passed in 1982? After this revelation I'm not sure John [=McClane=] is killing the right people in this movie. I mean sure, Hans Gruber aand his crew are a bunch of murderous thieves, but what kind of shit is Nakatomi involved with?"
** If you listen to Gruber when he is talking to Takagi, he mentions that the amount represents only 3 or 4 ''days'' working capital for the corporation. Why they would keep it in bearer bonds, which is as good as cash, is what's a ''really'' bad decision.
** The bearer bonds are probably a holdover from the original novel the film is based on, where the terrorists are sincere rather than just pretending to be terrorists, and the corporation involved was profiting from arms dealing. In the movie itself the only hints that anything isn't on the up and up with Nakatomi are th scene where Hans admires the model, which is apparently a model of a Natatomi facility being built somewhere in the world that Takagi is possibly a little too quick to protest is all being built legally and without exploitation, and the bearer bonds themselves. At best, it hints at some sort of corporate tax dodging or embezzlement of some kind. At worst, it's trying to hide some kind of ill gotten profits by using an untraceable currency.
14th Feb '17 12:11:01 PM Movienut376
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**Giving the dispatcher his name, badge number, etc would have brought the LAPD into the fray more easily, but it would also have risked exposing Holly - watch close when Hans announces that he knows who John is, and that a "close, personal friend" wants to talk with him; John mouths, "Holly," fearing for her life. Up until that point, the closest that Hans gets is assuming that John is a security guard for the building.
28th Dec '16 11:27:55 AM bigfatcarp93
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*** This troper just watched Die Hard for the first time a few days ago (Merry Christmas), and this was absolutely my interpretation: Hans 100% knew what Takagi looked like; he was just increasing the tension to prove a point.
10th Dec '16 4:31:15 PM MrTree1776
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* How the hell did the police dispatch ''not'' send a squad car down after John's warning, and '''''also''''' hearing [[spoiler:shots fired]], since they didn't hang up after dismissing John's call? [[RealityIsUnrealistic Unless, of course...]]
** Adding to that, why didn't John give his name, badge ID, and department? He likely ''knew'' Hans' men were listening, and that they wanted him dead. It wasn't like he was on a secure channel. And the way he was calling it in was ''far'' too police-like for Hans and his men to think it was a party-goer.
** Dumber still, if John '''was''' on a secure channel? He wouldn't have to hide it. The biggest writing/plot slip-up of the film, even if it was required to [[spoiler:both add tension and bring Al into the film]].

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* How the hell did the police dispatch ''not'' urgently send a squad car (or two) down after John's warning, warning about Hans, and '''''also''''' hearing [[spoiler:shots fired]], since they didn't hang up after dismissing John's call? [[RealityIsUnrealistic Unless, of course...]]
** Adding to that, why didn't John give his name, badge ID, and department? He likely ''knew'' Hans' men were listening, and that they wanted him dead. It wasn't like he was on a secure channel. And the way he was calling it in was ''far'' too police-like for Hans and his men to think it was a party-goer.
** Dumber still,
party-goer. And if John '''was''' on a secure channel? He wouldn't have to hide it. The biggest writing/plot slip-up of the film, even if it was required to [[spoiler:both add tension and bring Al into the film]].
10th Dec '16 4:29:25 PM MrTree1776
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* How the hell did the police dispatch ''not'' send a squad car down after John's warning, and '''''also''''' hearing [[spoiler:shots fired]], since they didn't hang up after dismissing John's call? [[RealityIsUnrealistic Unless, of course...]]
** Adding to that, why didn't John give his name, badge ID, and department? He likely ''knew'' Hans' men were listening, and that they wanted him dead. It wasn't like he was on a secure channel. And the way he was calling it in was ''far'' too police-like for Hans and his men to think it was a party-goer.
** Dumber still, if John '''was''' on a secure channel? He wouldn't have to hide it. The biggest writing/plot slip-up of the film, even if it was required to [[spoiler:both add tension and bring Al into the film]].
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