History Headscratchers / DiabloIII

16th Aug '15 1:01:56 AM Zaptech
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** Pandemonium Fortress is explicitly said to alter itself to match the nature of whoever controls it, which means that simply by being in there, Malthael brought the soul prison that the Nephalem could draw upon into existence within the fortress. Unless he completely abandoned the fortress, there was nothing he could do about it.
16th Aug '15 12:58:48 AM Zaptech
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[[folder:So are the Angels and Demons here more like Abusive Precursors of humanity?]]
* Humanity were sired from them, after all, and when the Demons (Prime Evils, mostly) are just trying to toy around humanity for the sake of lulz and power, the Angels are all limiting as heck at best, and planning to wipe them all out at worst because they have demonic essence. So what's stopping them from being called an AbusivePrecursors? They kinda fit already! I won't be surprised that next game, thanks to the Nephalem's powers, humanity call bullshit on Angels and Demons reigning over them and break away from them, choosing other deities in existing the existing Pantheon to look up into or just... take care of themselves.
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[[folder:So are the Angels and Demons here more like Abusive Precursors of humanity?]]
* Humanity were sired from them, after all, and when the Demons (Prime Evils, mostly) are just trying to toy around humanity for the sake of lulz and power, the Angels are all limiting as heck at best, and planning to wipe them all out at worst because they have demonic essence. So what's stopping them from being called an AbusivePrecursors? They kinda fit already! I won't be surprised that next game, thanks to the Nephalem's powers, humanity call bullshit on Angels and Demons reigning over them and break away from them, choosing other deities in existing the existing Pantheon to look up into or just... take care of themselves.
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16th Aug '15 12:58:01 AM Zaptech
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** This is explained in a roundabout manner in Reaper of Souls. Angels can change their inherent nature and outward appearance. Malthael's angels changed when they changed their nature from Wisdom to Death. By accepting Death, they became the twisted forms of the Reapers, their appearances and bodies changing shape to reflect that altered state. So, when Tyrael chose to become a mortal, his body simply changed shape to match that state and to reflect what he'd chosen to become. There are obvious and clear physical changes, as he needs to eat and his mind changed so that he has to deal with his emotions like a mortal does.


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** The Angiris Council does not embody virtues. They embody pure aspects of Creation. Valor, Wisdom, Justice, Hope, and Fate are the big five pure aspects of creation, so an angel on the Council chooses to embody one of those aspects.
21st Jun '15 9:39:27 PM ChrisX
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[[folder:So are the Angels and Demons here more like AbusivePrecursor of humanity?]]
* Humanity were sired from them, after all, and when the Demons (Prime Evils, mostly) are just trying to toy around humanity for the sake of lulz and power, the Angels are all limiting as heck at best, and planning to wipe them all out at worst because they have demonic essence. So what's stopping them from being called an AbusivePrecursor? They kinda fit already! I won't be surprised that next game, thanks to the Nephalem's powers, humanity call bullshit on Angels and Demons reigning over them and break away from them, choosing other deities in existing the existing Pantheon to look up into or just... take care of themselves.

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[[folder:So are the Angels and Demons here more like AbusivePrecursor Abusive Precursors of humanity?]]
* Humanity were sired from them, after all, and when the Demons (Prime Evils, mostly) are just trying to toy around humanity for the sake of lulz and power, the Angels are all limiting as heck at best, and planning to wipe them all out at worst because they have demonic essence. So what's stopping them from being called an AbusivePrecursor? AbusivePrecursors? They kinda fit already! I won't be surprised that next game, thanks to the Nephalem's powers, humanity call bullshit on Angels and Demons reigning over them and break away from them, choosing other deities in existing the existing Pantheon to look up into or just... take care of themselves.
21st Jun '15 9:38:57 PM ChrisX
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[[folder:So are the Angels and Demons here more like AbusivePrecursor of humanity?]]
* Humanity were sired from them, after all, and when the Demons (Prime Evils, mostly) are just trying to toy around humanity for the sake of lulz and power, the Angels are all limiting as heck at best, and planning to wipe them all out at worst because they have demonic essence. So what's stopping them from being called an AbusivePrecursor? They kinda fit already! I won't be surprised that next game, thanks to the Nephalem's powers, humanity call bullshit on Angels and Demons reigning over them and break away from them, choosing other deities in existing the existing Pantheon to look up into or just... take care of themselves.
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7th Jun '15 10:53:42 AM Discar
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*** I'm gonna second Nephalem Monkey Wrench. I mean, while there is a great deal of pride involved in such a showcase, what general accounts for a OneManArmy single handedly decimating your forces. Hell, to his credit, I can see the taunts as his way of trying to "lure" you into your doom...I mean each of these hints ultimately leads to his generals.
*** I think that's definitely right. Remember that Azmodan's revelation that he's infiltrated the keep is immediately followed by his demons bursting through the door from the lower levels. You then have to fight through three levels with one of the highest enemy densities in the game, presumably ready to follow up the initial assault. A keep compromised to that extent really shouldn't be able to hold so his message is crowing that he's won. Which he would have if not for the player.

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*** ** I'm gonna second Nephalem Monkey Wrench. I mean, while there is a great deal of pride involved in such a showcase, what general accounts for a OneManArmy single handedly decimating your forces. Hell, to his credit, I can see the taunts as his way of trying to "lure" you into your doom...I mean each of these hints ultimately leads to his generals.
*** ** I think that's definitely right. Remember that Azmodan's revelation that he's infiltrated the keep is immediately followed by his demons bursting through the door from the lower levels. You then have to fight through three levels with one of the highest enemy densities in the game, presumably ready to follow up the initial assault. A keep compromised to that extent really shouldn't be able to hold so his message is crowing that he's won. Which he would have if not for the player.



*** The why is fairly simple. It's a combination of fully releasing himself from the oath that prevents him from interceding directly on humanity's behalf, and just being sick and tired of the Angiris Council's inactivity as Sanctuary, and humanity with it, are slowly being destroyed by the forces of Hell. One can assume most of his actions prior can be explained either as loopholes, or just a premise of "easier to beg forgiveness than ask permission." Hell, it was a spat with Imperius that prompted the "Screw this and screw you" reaction of stipping himself of his angelic status.

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*** ** The why is fairly simple. It's a combination of fully releasing himself from the oath that prevents him from interceding directly on humanity's behalf, and just being sick and tired of the Angiris Council's inactivity as Sanctuary, and humanity with it, are slowly being destroyed by the forces of Hell. One can assume most of his actions prior can be explained either as loopholes, or just a premise of "easier to beg forgiveness than ask permission." Hell, it was a spat with Imperius that prompted the "Screw this and screw you" reaction of stipping himself of his angelic status.



*** Seeing as how he's still huge and capable of doing BadAss things with his sword and stuff, it's possible that he isn't ''technically'' human, but some sort of [[BuffySpeak half-crippled human-like thingy.]]
**** Pretty sure the word you're looking for is "mortal". And indeed, it's basically confirmed by Tyrael himself later--he's mortal now, but ''not'' nephalem; he lacks the demonic influence common to all humans.
*** I think that although the cinematic implied that an angel stripped of its powers becomes a human, he instead used his angel powers transmute himself into a mortal that only looked like a human, for some reason stripping off his wings (which are the main part of an angel's body in Diablo) to do so.

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*** ** Seeing as how he's still huge and capable of doing BadAss things with his sword and stuff, it's possible that he isn't ''technically'' human, but some sort of [[BuffySpeak half-crippled human-like thingy.]]
**** ** Pretty sure the word you're looking for is "mortal". And indeed, it's basically confirmed by Tyrael himself later--he's mortal now, but ''not'' nephalem; he lacks the demonic influence common to all humans.
*** ** I think that although the cinematic implied that an angel stripped of its powers becomes a human, he instead used his angel powers transmute himself into a mortal that only looked like a human, for some reason stripping off his wings (which are the main part of an angel's body in Diablo) to do so.



*** Apparently it hates me - I'm playing with my friends who're flat out ''tossing'' legendaries out. I've gotten five. Why on earth do I have such ''terrible luck''?!

* A better question to ask here: Do legendary crafting materials (See: Forgotten Souls) count towards a "Legendary" count? I'm practically bleeding Forgotten Souls.

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*** ** Apparently it hates me - I'm playing with my friends who're flat out ''tossing'' legendaries out. I've gotten five. Why on earth do I have such ''terrible luck''?!

* A better question to ask here: Do legendary crafting materials (See: Forgotten Souls) count towards a "Legendary" count? I'm practically bleeding Forgotten Souls.
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* Do legendary crafting materials (See: Forgotten Souls) count towards a "Legendary" count? I'm practically bleeding Forgotten Souls.
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*** A touch of WMG here to add, but it's possible that the Power of Death is there specifically TO power him up. The only reason it reacts to you is because there's a soul in there that reacts to the playable character, who then gets as many spirits as possible to unify and help you out. Prior to that, it was Mathael's and Malthael's alone to help bolster himself.

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*** ** A touch of WMG here to add, but it's possible that the Power of Death is there specifically TO power him up. The only reason it reacts to you is because there's a soul in there that reacts to the playable character, who then gets as many spirits as possible to unify and help you out. Prior to that, it was Mathael's and Malthael's alone to help bolster himself.
7th Jun '15 12:39:27 AM This_One_Sara
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** ...He did. That was what happened. The notes that were left behind may have been picked up by someone else and scattered in different places.
23rd Mar '15 7:32:11 PM seekquaze1
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[[folder:ow is Fate a virtue for Itherael to embody?]]

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[[folder:ow [[folder:How is Fate a virtue for Itherael to embody?]]
23rd Mar '15 7:31:51 PM seekquaze1
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[[folder:ow is Fate a virtue for Itherael to embody?]]
* How is Fate a virtue for Itherael to embody? Each of the archangels are supposed to embody one of the primary virtues of Anu. The other four are all traits one can cultivate, but fate is the predetermined order of events. How is that a virtue? Is Itherael meant to embody a more fatalistic outlook contrary to Auriel embodying hope?
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19th Oct '14 2:56:45 AM sloth09
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*** I think that's definitely right. Remember that Azmodan's revelation that he's infiltrated the keep is immediately followed by his demons bursting through the door from the lower levels. You then have to fight through three levels with one of the highest enemy densities in the game, presumably ready to follow up the initial assault. A keep compromised to that extent really shouldn't be able to hold so his message is crowing that he's won. Which he would have if not for the player.
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