History Headscratchers / DeadliestWarrior

19th Mar '18 5:10:25 PM nombretomado
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* Not wanting to sound like an Internet nerd, but Spartan vs. Ninja really bugged me. No way would a single ninja reveal himself in broad daylight. He would sneak into the Spartan camp and kill the Spartan in their sleep. The whole episode was just a FanWank to ThreeHundred.

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* Not wanting to sound like an Internet nerd, but Spartan vs. Ninja really bugged me. No way would a single ninja reveal himself in broad daylight. He would sneak into the Spartan camp and kill the Spartan in their sleep. The whole episode was just a FanWank to ThreeHundred.''Film/ThreeHundred''.



*** I had the opposite reaction: I didn't think they'd be promoting the Spartan as such a MemeticBadass had the film [[ThreeHundred 300]] not come out shortly before this episode.

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*** I had the opposite reaction: I didn't think they'd be promoting the Spartan as such a MemeticBadass had the film [[ThreeHundred 300]] ''Film/ThreeHundred'' not come out shortly before this episode.
7th Jan '18 9:49:35 AM nombretomado
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* JoanOfArc? What, why? She's just a [[FauxActionGirl farmgirl]], and she [[ThouShaltNotKill never actually killed anyone. In fact, she held her banner with both hands so as to avoid using her sword]].

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* JoanOfArc? UsefulNotes/JoanOfArc? What, why? She's just a [[FauxActionGirl farmgirl]], and she [[ThouShaltNotKill never actually killed anyone. In fact, she held her banner with both hands so as to avoid using her sword]].
6th Jan '18 4:33:07 PM nombretomado
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* {{Headscratchers}} is for plot holes, not an excuse to complain about anything and everything that annoys you.

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* {{Headscratchers}} [[Headscratchers/HomePage Headscratchers]] is for plot holes, not an excuse to complain about anything and everything that annoys you.
12th Oct '17 12:32:49 AM HighfalutinQuelea
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* Knight vs. Pirate struck me as the most unfair episode of all. The only weapon the pirate brought that actually penetrated the knight's armor was shown to misfire more often than actually work and it took too long to reload to get a second shot; and the test assumed the knight wouldn't be holding his shield in front of his torso as he charged the pirate. Meanwhile, every weapon the knight brought cut right through the pirate. The grenado test was especially egregious as they suspended the thing right next to a suit of armor (despite the fact that it required its user to light a long fuse and then throw it - useful when thrown aboard an enemy ship, but not exactly likely to go off anywhere near a mobile enemy; and again, they assume the knight wouldn't hold his shield up when someone threw a flaming metal ball at him) and it ''still'' doesn't penetrate it. Nevertheless, they give it an edge over a morningstar that crushed a skull to powder with a single blow on the rationale that the loud explosion could be disorienting. One would think that someone used to fighting and training wearing a ''metal helmet'' in the midst of other people covered completely in metal would be more likely to suffer from hearing loss than to be easily disoriented by loud noises. And even if you allow that the grenado might be effective as a shock weapon, that's giving "concussion" an edge over "skull reduced to powder." One of the show's mantras is "This is ''Deadliest'' Warrior, not Most (whatever non-lethal effect a weapon has just demonstrated) Warrior," and it's possibly the only time a weapon that couldn't score a lethal wound has been given an edge over a lethal one.

This was probably the worst simulation on the show. The pirate got numerous kills for weapons that were simply unable to pierce the knight's armor. 15 kills by a slashing weapon against an opponent in full plate? Nearly 200 kills by a weapon incapable of even damaging the knight's armor? Their "state of the art simulator", made by a company with a name right out of Harry Potter, is clearly just a medium consulting pirate ghosts.

This is especially odd when you consider the ninja's black eggs, when used in the simulator against the Spartans, lost the edge to the Spartan spear (IIRC) for not being 'deadly', despite being ''far'' more distracting than a grenado would have been. That whole match-up just seemed ridiculously skewed towards the pirate.

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* Knight vs. Pirate struck me as the most unfair episode of all. The only weapon the pirate brought that actually penetrated the knight's armor was shown to misfire more often than actually work and it took too long to reload to get a second shot; and the test assumed the knight wouldn't be holding his shield in front of his torso as he charged the pirate. Meanwhile, every weapon the knight brought cut right through the pirate. The grenado test was especially egregious as they suspended the thing right next to a suit of armor (despite the fact that it required its user to light a long fuse and then throw it - useful when thrown aboard an enemy ship, but not exactly likely to go off anywhere near a mobile enemy; and again, they assume the knight wouldn't hold his shield up when someone threw a flaming metal ball at him) and it ''still'' doesn't penetrate it. Nevertheless, they give it an edge over a morningstar that crushed a skull to powder with a single blow on the rationale that the loud explosion could be disorienting. One would think that someone used to fighting and training wearing a ''metal helmet'' in the midst of other people covered completely in metal would be more likely to suffer from hearing loss than to be easily disoriented by loud noises. And even if you allow that the grenado might be effective as a shock weapon, that's giving "concussion" an edge over "skull reduced to powder." One of the show's mantras is "This is ''Deadliest'' Warrior, not Most (whatever non-lethal effect a weapon has just demonstrated) Warrior," and it's possibly the only time a weapon that couldn't score a lethal wound has been given an edge over a lethal one.

one. This was probably the worst simulation on the show. The pirate got numerous kills for weapons that were simply unable to pierce the knight's armor. 15 kills by a slashing weapon against an opponent in full plate? Nearly 200 kills by a weapon incapable of even damaging the knight's armor? Their "state of the art simulator", made by a company with a name right out of Harry Potter, is clearly just a medium consulting pirate ghosts.

ghosts. This is especially odd when you consider the ninja's black eggs, when used in the simulator against the Spartans, lost the edge to the Spartan spear (IIRC) for not being 'deadly', despite being ''far'' more distracting than a grenado would have been. That whole match-up just seemed ridiculously skewed towards the pirate.
18th Jun '17 10:48:15 AM nombretomado
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*** Horses and the arquebus(or tempo, by it's Japanese name) were common things that the Samurai used, and your whole argument is "that doesn't count". But for the sake of argument, let's say the Samurai got into his armor, grabbed his spear and bow, but not an arquebus for whatever reason and left his horse because he just felt like going for a walk with all of that stuff that day. The Samurai would still defeat the Spartan he came across. I've listed my reasons why, if you looked into Sojutsu you'd know that there are several ways to get around the Spartan's defense. The stuff I'm telling you here isn't obscure, it's right there on ThatOtherWiki if you want. Or if you're a huge wikipedia naysayer there's a book I can recommend "Weapons and Fighting Techniques of the Samurai Warrior" by Thomas D. Conlan. I will gladly give you one point though "this show's focus was never meticulous historical accuracy", you're right, it wasn't. This is one of the least accurate shows on television. Scroll down a little, look at what people have already said and try to find a retort for all of it. This show isn't about historical accuracy, if it was it wouldn't be on Spike. But without historical accuracy, these aren't warriors they're portraying but loose characitures thereof. And given the overall accuracy of this show, the Spartan portrayl is likely about as accurate as the Samurai one, i.e. ''not''. Your point about "this is the Deadliest Warrior", no, they've only ever paid mind to the weapons not the warriors themselves, and the use of the horse and arquebus makes the Samurai more deadly in a one on one fight, that's just the way it is. Anyway, this has gone on for a lot longer than it needed to, if you have anything further to say it would be in both our best interest for you to PM me instead.

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*** Horses and the arquebus(or tempo, by it's Japanese name) were common things that the Samurai used, and your whole argument is "that doesn't count". But for the sake of argument, let's say the Samurai got into his armor, grabbed his spear and bow, but not an arquebus for whatever reason and left his horse because he just felt like going for a walk with all of that stuff that day. The Samurai would still defeat the Spartan he came across. I've listed my reasons why, if you looked into Sojutsu you'd know that there are several ways to get around the Spartan's defense. The stuff I'm telling you here isn't obscure, it's right there on ThatOtherWiki Wiki/ThatOtherWiki if you want. Or if you're a huge wikipedia naysayer there's a book I can recommend "Weapons and Fighting Techniques of the Samurai Warrior" by Thomas D. Conlan. I will gladly give you one point though "this show's focus was never meticulous historical accuracy", you're right, it wasn't. This is one of the least accurate shows on television. Scroll down a little, look at what people have already said and try to find a retort for all of it. This show isn't about historical accuracy, if it was it wouldn't be on Spike. But without historical accuracy, these aren't warriors they're portraying but loose characitures thereof. And given the overall accuracy of this show, the Spartan portrayl is likely about as accurate as the Samurai one, i.e. ''not''. Your point about "this is the Deadliest Warrior", no, they've only ever paid mind to the weapons not the warriors themselves, and the use of the horse and arquebus makes the Samurai more deadly in a one on one fight, that's just the way it is. Anyway, this has gone on for a lot longer than it needed to, if you have anything further to say it would be in both our best interest for you to PM me instead.
9th Apr '17 8:25:57 PM OctoberRaven
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* Less test, more result but... it seemed like the simulator favored bladed weapons over bludgeons. The most glaring example of this was Celts vs Persians; the Celt burda club, which cracked skulls every single swing, scored single digit kills, while the Chariot scythe, that was shown as a weapon that couldn't deliver lethal trauma even -when- it hits, somehow racks up a triple digit killcount. Just... how?
21st Mar '17 6:14:24 PM nombretomado
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** My first thought was...''NightAtTheMuseum''.

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** My first thought was...''NightAtTheMuseum''.''Film/NightAtTheMuseum''.
10th Nov '16 10:12:28 AM Morgenthaler
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* The Vikings in episode 2 were viewed as raiders who fought for quick booty, but in reality they were just likely to be soldiers who fought for the control of the entire country, or served as a bodyguard to a chief or an emperor. Their main chose of short range weapon wasn't just an axe, it was also a sword. As long range weapons they didn't just use spears, they were just as likely to use bows with penetrating arrows, or even rocks thrown with deadly force. Their skills were underestimated, since they trained at fighting at least once every day, usually with experienced Vikings as teachers. They didn't just fight for a chance to go to Valhalla when they died, many Vikings were Christians and they were still just as BadAss.

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* The Vikings in episode 2 were viewed as raiders who fought for quick booty, but in reality they were just likely to be soldiers who fought for the control of the entire country, or served as a bodyguard to a chief or an emperor. Their main chose of short range weapon wasn't just an axe, it was also a sword. As long range weapons they didn't just use spears, they were just as likely to use bows with penetrating arrows, or even rocks thrown with deadly force. Their skills were underestimated, since they trained at fighting at least once every day, usually with experienced Vikings as teachers. They didn't just fight for a chance to go to Valhalla when they died, many Vikings were Christians and they were still just as BadAss.badass.
17th Aug '16 7:37:43 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** Or maybe TheyJustDidntCare and wanted to show a sword fight like any other swrod fight on the show: the two warriows bash their swords together until one person hits the other.

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** Or maybe TheyJustDidntCare and they wanted to show a sword fight like any other swrod fight on the show: the two warriows bash their swords together until one person hits the other.
8th Aug '16 2:08:41 AM StormKensho
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*** Dominated is a bit strong of a word. It was closer to a stalemate, as the samurai fighting against the Mongols the second time used a coastal wall and mixed-unit tactics of samurai leading small units of ashigaru footmen to skirmish with the Mongolian landers, who were unable to bring their devastating cavalry to bear as a result. The Battle of Takashima Bay, which was the last battle before the second kamikaze storm sank the Yuan fleet, ended with a Mongolian victory and with them establishing a foothold on the beaches of Kyushu, meaning the samurai would have to fight them in force. That said, even if the Mongols had been able to take Kyushu, it would have been an uphill battle for them to take Honshu and the rest of the Japanese islands. And considering that civil unrest set in for the Mongolian Empire shortly afterward, it's very doubtful that the Mongols would have been able to conquer all of Japan before having to pull back and leave Japan to its own devices.
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