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** It is possible that we have no idea what Stasis does to the human body, of note remember that in game nobody has been "stasised" except from GameplyAndStorySegregation towards enemy combatants, my theory is that Issac/Carvers' stasis modules are actually overpowered, due to (in Issacs' case at least) being jury-rigged from a medical grade stasis unit, for all we know stasis actually causes something akin to complete organ shutdown in the manner Issac uses it. just a theory however but it would at least make sense of why the numerous times Issac/Carver didn't just Stasis a problem, like Norton or Danik.

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** It is possible that we have no idea what Stasis does to the human body, of note remember that in game nobody has been "stasised" except from GameplyAndStorySegregation GameplayAndStorySegregation towards enemy combatants, my theory is that Issac/Carvers' stasis modules are actually overpowered, due to (in Issacs' case at least) being jury-rigged from a medical grade stasis unit, for all we know stasis actually causes something akin to complete organ shutdown in the manner Issac uses it. just a theory however but it would at least make sense of why the numerous times Issac/Carver didn't just Stasis a problem, like Norton or Danik.
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** It is possible that we have no idea what Stasis does to the human body, of note remember that in game nobody has been "stasised" except from GameplyAndStorySegregation towards enemy combatants, my theory is that Issac/Carvers' stasis modules are actually overpowered, due to (in Issacs' case at least) being jury-rigged from a medical grade stasis unit, for all we know stasis actually causes something akin to complete organ shutdown in the manner Issac uses it. just a theory however but it would at least make sense of why the numerous times Issac/Carver didn't just Stasis a problem, like Norton or Danik.
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** A possible fix is that the marker itself didn't stop want to stop the necromorphs forming, the platform/dias simply somehow reversed the signal, it did not amplify the marker signal, it outright stopped it, the platform was a early containment/suppresion field like the one shown on the lunar colony, possibly (seeing as we saw no way for someone to build one) it was the one that the red marker originally was stood on when the Aegis VII colony found it, excavated and brought to where you find it.
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** In the Comic/novel Liberation, it's shown that Norton actually was pretty much a jerk even before they the events of the game, he really was just an asshole that was made to cause some kind of triangle/betrayal plotline. Ellie just made a really stupid choice in a dude.
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** Suddenly this sounds a lot like JurassicPark, with the Unitologists filling in as Nedry.

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** Suddenly this sounds a lot like JurassicPark, Film/JurassicPark, with the Unitologists filling in as Nedry.
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** Could be that Isaac simply never activated the collapse function in Dead Space one. In 2, in 3, he regularly collapses his helmet and even one which he puts on separately is capable of collapsing into the suit he wears it with (the EVA suit from the Eudora). To our experience, the one for the standard engineering suits in Dead Space didn't collapse, but very similar (but not quite identical) helmets in Dead Space 2 DO collapse. So, this may just be a case of the simplest answer: Isaac chose not to collapse it during Dead Space.
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** Potentially, the suits react to pressure differential by locking down their air passages to the internal supply. In essence: the suit can open or close vents to selectively keep air in or allow air-flow when in an atmosphere unless the air is toxic. The sterilization stuff may not register as a toxin, and it definitely doesn't remove the air pressure. In essence: the suits don't seal, so the scary bad-stuff killing super-acid just goes right on in through the vents with the air. It may even be intentionally designed that way to prevent infected individuals from escaping.
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** Alternatively, the Tau Volantis facilities were not for mining but were military installations supporting civilian scientists aligned with S.C.A.F. in a Marker Research initiative. Note, we don't see mining equipment outside of hand-held stuff used by a Dig Team (Archeologists, not miners), a few bulldozers for clearing snow-pack and a core sample drill. Taking those things at face value, most likely they were focusing on the planet which was emanating a massed quantity of Marker signals over the Moon, with intent to eventually examine the Moon after completion of planetside ops. The issue is, they scrubbed every single computer core, datapad, memory stick and even vehicles of anything related to their mission, allied bases and point of origin. We find pretty much all the stuff that they missed in the rush to enact Scenario 5, most of which is useless for anything other than speculation until the very end. In other words: the Moon was irrelevant to their mission at that time, and they didn't want to divert resources for a pointless reconnaissance mission. Add in that the Markers may have been actively interfering with their attention toward the Moon and it may as well not exist. Did you pay attention to it except for when Isaac and Norton mention it after deshock?

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** 1) Sovereign Colonies is as old as EarthGov's cover-up and even if not had independently discovered the Markers. 2) They saw that markers, aside from potentially false uses as a power source, were driving people nutso and that while their opponents in EarthGov were corrupt enough that billions of deaths are utterly irrelevant to their interests, S.C.A.F. and their civilian counterparts in the Sovereign Colongies government wholeheartedly disagree with that thinking.

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** 1) Sovereign Colonies is as old as EarthGov's cover-up and even if not had independently discovered the Markers. 2) They saw that markers, aside from potentially false uses as a power source, were driving people nutso and that while their opponents in EarthGov were corrupt enough that billions of deaths are utterly irrelevant to their interests, S.C.A.F. and their civilian counterparts in the Sovereign Colongies government wholeheartedly disagree with that thinking. They were, admittedly, doing their own experiments but with much more rules and much less civilian population.


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** They had their own equivalent to Unitologists who cut short every attempt to do so? Less snarky: there were some among them, just as among humans, who actively worshiped Markers. Sabotage, secrecy. In the end, the 'why' is less relevant than the fact that it happened. I mean, based on what WE see, the machine was complete and ready for purpose, why wasn't it properly calibrated? I'd imagine the same reason as they didn't just fire the Markers into the sun (which is actually a better choice than sending them on an exit vector from the system).
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** 1) Sovereign Colonies is as old as EarthGov's cover-up and even if not had independently discovered the Markers. 2) They saw that markers, aside from potentially false uses as a power source, were driving people nutso and that while their opponents in EarthGov were corrupt enough that billions of deaths are utterly irrelevant to their interests, S.C.A.F. and their civilian counterparts in the Sovereign Colongies government wholeheartedly disagree with that thinking.
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* 1) Why did the Sovereign Colonies know about the Markers, the necromorphs and the truth about Convergence after Earthgov covered it up and the only info about Markers/Convergence was from Unitology? And 2) Why did the Sovereign Colonies think it was a good idea to spend resources to permanently get rid of the Markers while they were in the middle of a civil war? 200 years before the story no one was trying to make new Markers, so why the urgency?
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* It must have taken a lot of time for the aliens to build the machine which would flash-freeze their planet, so they must have figured out the truth of the Markers years before Convergence happened. So if they had years to do it, why not instead lift the Markers off the planet and then shoot them out of the solar system?
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** In the flashback after you put Rosetta together, you see the Machine activating literally as Convergence was happening. Not too much of a stretch to assume that it was some other poor guy's suicide mission in a Necromorphed world just to activate the unfinished machine.
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--> '''Norton''':[[spoiler: "(Firing warning shots at Carver) [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold STAND DOWN SERGEANT]]!(Turns to Isaac) [[ItsAllMyFault THIS IS ALL YOUR FUCKING FAULT]]! [[EveryoneCanSeeIt SHE DOESN`T LOVE YOU]]!"'''*Bang*''']]

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** His final words even hints of what the markers had been putting into his head from the moment he reached the planet. Heck, they might has not been aimed so much at Isaac as to [[JerkassRealization himself]].
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** The Necromorph Virus is a "The Thing" level contagion, it is a Sentient FromASingleCell Virus, shown to survive everything except Immolation, it is even theorized that you aren't actually killing the necromorphs themselves per se, just causing enough damage that the host body is unsuitable for its current from, like a slasher dismembered will probably be "reorganized" into an Infector or Corruption, remember the goal is to [[spoiler:Combine into a massive single EldritchAbomination]] I assume that if even a single cell of necro infection is enough, and it is hardy, also the markers probably gave the compunction to munch on Necroflesh.
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* It's been 3 games. Are we ''ever'' going to learn anything more about Isaac's parents? The hidden data log at the end of the NewGamePlus in the first game gave us a lot of tantalizing plot fodder: his dad was a SpaceMarine who was classified as [[NeverFoundTheBody "missing in action"]] after going on a top-secret mission. His mother became depressed her husband's disappearance and turned to Unitology as a form of solace, and ended up ruining the family's finances by giving it all to the church. To date, she sounds like she is still alive, though she seems to be estranged from Isaac (as her reckless spending forced Isaac to go to a [[SuckySchool low-ranked university]] instead of more [[IvyLeague prestigious institutions]] that he actually was qualified for). Those details alone sound like they could go in very interesting directions.

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* It's been 3 games. Are we ''ever'' going to learn anything more about Isaac's parents? The hidden data log at the end of the NewGamePlus in the first game gave us a lot of tantalizing plot fodder: his dad was a SpaceMarine who was classified as [[NeverFoundTheBody "missing in action"]] after going on a top-secret mission. His mother became depressed her husband's disappearance and turned to Unitology as a form of solace, and ended up ruining the family's finances by giving it all to the church. To date, she sounds like she is still alive, though she seems to be estranged from Isaac (as her reckless spending forced Isaac to go to a [[SuckySchool low-ranked university]] instead of more [[IvyLeague [[UsefulNotes/IvyLeague prestigious institutions]] that he actually was qualified for). Those details alone sound like they could go in very interesting directions.
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*** Now that the game is out, it's the "desperation" explanation. Turns out, Necromorphic flesh is edible, but it tended to drive its eaters insane over the course of weeks. Eventually, they all died (for a given definition of "[[TechnicallyLivingZombie dead]]"), and became the Feeders.
*** It is heavily implied that the people in charge of the supply depots deliberately sabotaged their own food, and that others susceptible to the Markers were compelled to eat necromorph flesh. It's also entirely possible that they deliberately ''contaminated'' the food supplies with their own tissue - judging by the wall messages saying "eat of us".

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*** ** Now that the game is out, it's the "desperation" explanation. Turns out, Necromorphic flesh is edible, but it tended to drive its eaters insane over the course of weeks. Eventually, they all died (for a given definition of "[[TechnicallyLivingZombie dead]]"), and became the Feeders.
*** ** It is heavily implied that the people in charge of the supply depots deliberately sabotaged their own food, and that others susceptible to the Markers were compelled to eat necromorph flesh. It's also entirely possible that they deliberately ''contaminated'' the food supplies with their own tissue - judging by the wall messages saying "eat of us".



*** That's great up until he has to worry about food, or when a Necromorph finally comes by and kills him (see the first game's arg: one of the ship hand's did find a nice place to hole up in, but eventually the Necromorphs figured out he was there and spent the next several hours breaking his door down).

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*** ** That's great up until he has to worry about food, or when a Necromorph finally comes by and kills him (see the first game's arg: one of the ship hand's did find a nice place to hole up in, but eventually the Necromorphs figured out he was there and spent the next several hours breaking his door down).



*** The necromorphs will just get reinfected later, so as long as they don't actively destroy the entire body, they should realize the Necromorph will come back hours later.

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*** ** The necromorphs will just get reinfected later, so as long as they don't actively destroy the entire body, they should realize the Necromorph will come back hours later.



*** It might be over-generalizing to assume this for all of them, but even if it is, cognitive dissonance and DoubleThink probably cover the rest. It goes without saying that indisputable evidence isn't always enough to change someone's beliefs, religious or otherwise. A common example, almost a cliche at this point, is someone citing Leviticus to condemn homosexuals and then being asked if they actually follow any of the other mandates in Leviticus, most of which would land someone living in western society in jail. The response is usually rationalization, not a concession that this is a hole in the logic of following a religion.

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*** ** It might be over-generalizing to assume this for all of them, but even if it is, cognitive dissonance and DoubleThink probably cover the rest. It goes without saying that indisputable evidence isn't always enough to change someone's beliefs, religious or otherwise. A common example, almost a cliche at this point, is someone citing Leviticus to condemn homosexuals and then being asked if they actually follow any of the other mandates in Leviticus, most of which would land someone living in western society in jail. The response is usually rationalization, not a concession that this is a hole in the logic of following a religion.



*** That said, it's not clear that SCAF had a sizeable contingent of Unitologists; most of the Unis you hear about in the first two games from logs tend to be rather obvious in their devotion (Challus Mercer, Kyne, Captain Mathius etc), whereas you don't get that in ''3''. The SCAF motto does translate to "For God and the Colonies" or similar, but there's very little Unitologist-specific religious references by the SCAF (nothing regarding Altman, for example). While they are there looking for Markers, it's purely scientific, whereas a Unitologist would be flipping out over the multitude of divine relics on the planet; I got the feeling that Unitology didn't became enshrined as the dominant religion until after [=EarthGov=] won the war (keep in mind, theres substantial overlap between the upper echelons of both organizations).
**** That being said, there is still no evidence for or against other religions still existing, just that Unitology is the fastest growing religion there is. Keep in mind that religions say the same thing today and they are usually referring to a percentage increase of their previous numbers which is misleading. Say Unitology grew by a hundred percent margin in its first year. That could be going from 100 people to 200. So, yeah, they could be growing the "fastest," but that doesn't mean much in that context.

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*** ** That said, it's not clear that SCAF had a sizeable contingent of Unitologists; most of the Unis you hear about in the first two games from logs tend to be rather obvious in their devotion (Challus Mercer, Kyne, Captain Mathius etc), whereas you don't get that in ''3''. The SCAF motto does translate to "For God and the Colonies" or similar, but there's very little Unitologist-specific religious references by the SCAF (nothing regarding Altman, for example). While they are there looking for Markers, it's purely scientific, whereas a Unitologist would be flipping out over the multitude of divine relics on the planet; I got the feeling that Unitology didn't became enshrined as the dominant religion until after [=EarthGov=] won the war (keep in mind, theres substantial overlap between the upper echelons of both organizations).
**** ** That being said, there is still no evidence for or against other religions still existing, just that Unitology is the fastest growing religion there is. Keep in mind that religions say the same thing today and they are usually referring to a percentage increase of their previous numbers which is misleading. Say Unitology grew by a hundred percent margin in its first year. That could be going from 100 people to 200. So, yeah, they could be growing the "fastest," but that doesn't mean much in that context.



*** [[spoiler:In the last level of the game, the Brethren Moon throws what looks like a (fleshy) Marker at you. Thing is; necromorphs pop out of them. That means that Brethren Moons can create Markers. The Black Marker could be a Marker created from a Brethren Moon.. This also means that a Brethren moon may have visited (Earth?) at some point in the past.]]
**** [[spoiler:That just raises another question! If the Brethren Moons make Markers to cause others to make Brethren Moons, how did the first Brethren Moon come about?]]
**** Now, I have no idea, but the Necromorph in its basest form is some kind of bacterium with virus-like properties. Who knows where it came from? It might have been a science experiment GoneHorriblyWrong. It might have been part of a planet's biosphere that an ancient spacefaring species accidentally gave access to the stars. The thing is, we don't know, and we don't exactly ''need'' to know. That's something for the expanded universe to explain, and chances are there's no way anyone in the Dead Space character lineup, living or dead, that could know.
***** So it's entirely possible the virus was the result of a random mutation in an alien disease that cascaded into making the first Convergence Event? What kind of aliens were they, Leviathans? Flood? the Engineers from Prometheus?
*** Another possibility is that [[spoiler:the original Moon was formed by a species that ''willingly'' underwent Convergence (minus necromorphs) as a way to increase their own power. That Moon then began spreading Markers, produced internally, to other planets to create more Moons. The Brethren Moons mention being part of a "network", which suggests that their minds are linked and that the more of them there are, the more powerful the group as a whole is.]]

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*** ** [[spoiler:In the last level of the game, the Brethren Moon throws what looks like a (fleshy) Marker at you. Thing is; necromorphs pop out of them. That means that Brethren Moons can create Markers. The Black Marker could be a Marker created from a Brethren Moon.. This also means that a Brethren moon may have visited (Earth?) at some point in the past.]]
**** ** [[spoiler:That just raises another question! If the Brethren Moons make Markers to cause others to make Brethren Moons, how did the first Brethren Moon come about?]]
**** ** Now, I have no idea, but the Necromorph in its basest form is some kind of bacterium with virus-like properties. Who knows where it came from? It might have been a science experiment GoneHorriblyWrong. It might have been part of a planet's biosphere that an ancient spacefaring species accidentally gave access to the stars. The thing is, we don't know, and we don't exactly ''need'' to know. That's something for the expanded universe to explain, and chances are there's no way anyone in the Dead Space character lineup, living or dead, that could know.
***** ** So it's entirely possible the virus was the result of a random mutation in an alien disease that cascaded into making the first Convergence Event? What kind of aliens were they, Leviathans? Flood? the Engineers from Prometheus?
*** ** Another possibility is that [[spoiler:the original Moon was formed by a species that ''willingly'' underwent Convergence (minus necromorphs) as a way to increase their own power. That Moon then began spreading Markers, produced internally, to other planets to create more Moons. The Brethren Moons mention being part of a "network", which suggests that their minds are linked and that the more of them there are, the more powerful the group as a whole is.]]



*** Possibly FridgeBrilliance. Perhaps the description refers not to the model, but the longer-running series of suits. Perhaps the same company that made the [=CEC=] [=RIG=] from ''1'' was from a centuries old company, and also created the Antique [=RIG=] from ''2'' that was an older model of Engineering suits. Presumably, that same company also invented the [=RIG=] technology. Think of it like the Volkswagen Beetle: the original model is old, and the series has been redesigned constantly, but each carries the legacy of the "Beetle." The Engineering suit is just the latest in a long series.

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*** ** Possibly FridgeBrilliance. Perhaps the description refers not to the model, but the longer-running series of suits. Perhaps the same company that made the [=CEC=] [=RIG=] from ''1'' was from a centuries old company, and also created the Antique [=RIG=] from ''2'' that was an older model of Engineering suits. Presumably, that same company also invented the [=RIG=] technology. Think of it like the Volkswagen Beetle: the original model is old, and the series has been redesigned constantly, but each carries the legacy of the "Beetle." The Engineering suit is just the latest in a long series.



*** The Titan Station outbreak was more of a FalseFlagOperation. Unitologists had infiltrated [=EarthGov=] so thoroughly that their upper echelons were filled with Unitology's upper echelons. Unitlogists played both sides; they authorized the rapid creation and distribution of Markers before the risks were apprent, then they had a specialist (Vandal from ''Mobile'') release preserved specimens and then fooled her into opening the gates to the residential area, while also stonewalling containment efforts to maximize how many people were infected.

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*** ** The Titan Station outbreak was more of a FalseFlagOperation. Unitologists had infiltrated [=EarthGov=] so thoroughly that their upper echelons were filled with Unitology's upper echelons. Unitlogists played both sides; they authorized the rapid creation and distribution of Markers before the risks were apprent, then they had a specialist (Vandal from ''Mobile'') release preserved specimens and then fooled her into opening the gates to the residential area, while also stonewalling containment efforts to maximize how many people were infected.



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*** Before anyone asks, it really makes no sense for [[IncendiaryExponent players to burst into flame upon contact]]. It's probable that the programmers just gave it fire's coding as an environmental hazard, and called it a day.
*** Also, the suits lying around that level actually seems like a bit of FridgeBrilliance and FridgeHorror. If an airtight [=RIG=] offers no protection, it's likely that a trenchoat and cask masks will be the same. But I also recall that workplaces often install fake thermostats that serve only to fool workers that they changed the temperature, so presumably S.C.A.F. did the same. They serve only to make the staff feel safer, but if a situation actually called for gassing, it would be more important to contain the threat than saving anyone inside.

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*** ** Before anyone asks, it really makes no sense for [[IncendiaryExponent players to burst into flame upon contact]]. It's probable that the programmers just gave it fire's coding as an environmental hazard, and called it a day.
*** ** Also, the suits lying around that level actually seems like a bit of FridgeBrilliance and FridgeHorror. If an airtight [=RIG=] offers no protection, it's likely that a trenchoat and cask masks will be the same. But I also recall that workplaces often install fake thermostats that serve only to fool workers that they changed the temperature, so presumably S.C.A.F. did the same. They serve only to make the staff feel safer, but if a situation actually called for gassing, it would be more important to contain the threat than saving anyone inside.



*** Dr. Serrano's logs explain the [[BenevolentPrecursors benevolent aliens]] left behind a language crash-course. This might have just been good planning, but it can also be taken as a sign that they expected to be wiped out. But, it is convenient for the sake of the story that they were able to build a city-size doomsday device and not put what was literally the final piece into place.

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*** ** Dr. Serrano's logs explain the [[BenevolentPrecursors benevolent aliens]] left behind a language crash-course. This might have just been good planning, but it can also be taken as a sign that they expected to be wiped out. But, it is convenient for the sake of the story that they were able to build a city-size doomsday device and not put what was literally the final piece into place.



*** Which still doesn't explain why humans never found any of their structures on uninfected planets. Supposedly, they only died a few thousand years after the event occurred. The game mentions millions of years, but that's how long it took them to discover the Markers, not how long ago they died off. Still, that would mean their structures could have disappeared as shown in Series/LifeAfterPeople, but they KNEW the Markers existed and attempted to warn other species of the threat. They couldn't establish some beacon or machine on another planet to draw attention to the fact? Even if they had a few years before extinction, surely they would have been smart enough to realize that once the other species arrived on their frozen planet, Tau Volantis, that the alien species could fall under Marker influence and that they should be warned BEFORE they got there if at all possible. Nothing is ever found of their supposedly huge civilization.
**** IIRC, Seranno never said there was evidence that the Aliens had spread all over the galaxy, that was just a theory of his, considering the same thing was happening to humanity. Even if they did have a huge civilization and no evidence was found of it... well space is really freaking big, so it's not that surprising.

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*** ** Which still doesn't explain why humans never found any of their structures on uninfected planets. Supposedly, they only died a few thousand years after the event occurred. The game mentions millions of years, but that's how long it took them to discover the Markers, not how long ago they died off. Still, that would mean their structures could have disappeared as shown in Series/LifeAfterPeople, but they KNEW the Markers existed and attempted to warn other species of the threat. They couldn't establish some beacon or machine on another planet to draw attention to the fact? Even if they had a few years before extinction, surely they would have been smart enough to realize that once the other species arrived on their frozen planet, Tau Volantis, that the alien species could fall under Marker influence and that they should be warned BEFORE they got there if at all possible. Nothing is ever found of their supposedly huge civilization.
**** ** IIRC, Seranno never said there was evidence that the Aliens had spread all over the galaxy, that was just a theory of his, considering the same thing was happening to humanity. Even if they did have a huge civilization and no evidence was found of it... well space is really freaking big, so it's not that surprising.

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** Well, for one, there's was no where to go. It's one thing to seal yourself in a fortress. It's quite another to break out of that fortress when it's surrounded by monsters. Necromorphs don't become dormant unless there's an environmental reason, which there wasn't one. How they didn't find him is a good question. Possibly he just stayed really damn quiet. He probably didn't take the Crozier because a) it's busted and b) there's a ton of mines in and around the flotilla. As for entertainment he did have his music.
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** The games have always been inconsistent about this. The Marker emanates some kind of "signal" that causes dead tissue to begin reanimating as well as the hallucinations, suggesting it's a memetic agent rather than a physical virus. The suggested explanation is that this signal takes a great deal of time to fully transform a Necromorph; Infectors have some ability to "speed" the process so that it takes seconds rather than hours. On the other hand, if this was true, the outbreak at the beginning of ''3'' should not have happened so quickly: it should have taken a few hours at least for it to really get going after the Marker's activation. It is possible that the Unitologists, who were apparently planning that outbreak for some time, somehow "prepped" the bodies around the Marker for quick transformation, but the game never indicates anything like that.
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AND that Brethren Moons [[spoiler: Actually need Earth for anything. Unless our Moon is a Brethren Moon as well.]]

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AND that Brethren Moons [[spoiler: Actually need Earth for anything. Unless our Moon is a Brethren Moon as well.]]]]
* So, WHAT is the relationship between the Markers, the virus, and the Necromorphs? Because from what I understood, a virus of some sort reanimated the corpses and changed them into Necromorphs, and it responded to the marker symbol. In Dead Space 2, it seemed to confirm that. However, in Dead Space 3, when the Marker was activated in the first part of the game, it just jumpstarted a necromorph invasion without any need for even an Infector. So what the hell causes the infection? Is it a virus or can the Marker just do that?
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** Not sure if that's rhetorical or not. But if we're assuming that what happens in ''Awakened'' is actually happening, and not some crazy hallucination that a dying Isaac is having "Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge"-style, then [[spoiler: Earth is being devastated by multiple Brother Moons while the population is chomped by Necromorphs, and who knows what is about to happen with Isaac and Carver.]]

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** Not sure if that's rhetorical or not. But if we're assuming that what happens in ''Awakened'' is actually happening, and not some crazy hallucination that a dying Isaac is having "Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge"-style, then [[spoiler: Earth is being devastated by multiple Brother Moons while the population is chomped by Necromorphs, and who knows what is about to happen with Isaac and Carver.]]
** Isaac isn't dying, yet. He's still alive by the end of DS3. So it could be a hallucination. Personally i find it hard to believe that a 200+ year old ship (made by humans i mean) can still work good enough (and not blow up) to make a hyperspace jump (especially with overloaded reactor).
AND that Brethren Moons [[spoiler: Actually need Earth for anything. Unless our Moon is a Brethren Moon as well.
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** Could you be more specific?

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** Could you be more specific?specific?
** Not sure if that's rhetorical or not. But if we're assuming that what happens in ''Awakened'' is actually happening, and not some crazy hallucination that a dying Isaac is having "Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge"-style, then [[spoiler: Earth is being devastated by multiple Brother Moons while the population is chomped by Necromorphs, and who knows what is about to happen with Isaac and Carver.]]
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** Personally? I think the department of CEC who managed The Ishimura and Isaac's repair crew preferred the non-collapsible helmets as seen in Extraction. Maybe its standard issue for Planet Cracker crews to have the solid helmets. The collapsible ones seem to be rather easy to remove, if the Puker Execution of Isaac is any indication.
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**** IIRC, Seranno never said there was evidence that the Aliens had spread all over the galaxy, that was just a theory of his, considering the same thing was happening to humanity. Even if they did have a huge civilization and no evidence was found of it... well space is really freaking big, so it's not that surprising.
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* [[spoiler: Just what was up with the ending to the Awakened DLC?!]]

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* [[spoiler: Just what was up with the ending to the Awakened DLC?!]]DLC?!]]
** Could you be more specific?
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** That's... a really good question. I have a few theories; 1) Given that the Moon was shown sucking parts of the planet during Convergence, it's possible the outer shell is actually made of rock to disguise it (though since it's incomplete, it doesn't explain how they would miss the massive hole that would likely be filled with flesh). 2) Since the military were dead set on finding the source of the Marker signals, it's possible and fairly likely that they focused all their efforts on unlocking the secrets of Tau Volantis since that was where the massive amounts of Marker signals were coming from. 3) It's possible they did send probes over, but the Moon's Marker EMP effects (which they do have, check the original ending for Dead Space or Dead Space Liberation) could have shut them down before they got close enough and those could have been dismissed as effects from the Marker signals. 4) The Markers could have been sending subtle signals into everyone's brains saying "this is a normal moon, nothing unusual about it, just go turn on the Machine on the planet instead." 5) They ultimately did record that in their logs, but when Scenario 5 was enacted, they destroyed most of the information about it. #5 seems like the most likely event though all of them are admittedly rather weak justifications.

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** That's... a really good question. I have a few theories; 1) Given that the Moon was shown sucking parts of the planet during Convergence, it's possible the outer shell is actually made of rock to disguise it (though since it's incomplete, it doesn't explain how they would miss the massive hole that would likely be filled with flesh). 2) Since the military were dead set on finding the source of the Marker signals, it's possible and fairly likely that they focused all their efforts on unlocking the secrets of Tau Volantis since that was where the massive amounts of Marker signals were coming from. 3) It's possible they did send probes over, but the Moon's Marker EMP effects (which they do have, check the original ending for Dead Space or Dead Space Liberation) could have shut them down before they got close enough and those could have been dismissed as effects from the Marker signals. 4) The Markers could have been sending subtle signals into everyone's brains saying "this is a normal moon, nothing unusual about it, just go turn on the Machine on the planet instead." 5) They ultimately did record that in their logs, but when Scenario 5 was enacted, they destroyed most of the information about it. #5 seems like the most likely event though all of them are admittedly rather weak justifications.justifications, and really the best answer would likely be "the Markers did it".
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** That's... a really good question. I have a few theories; 1) Given that the Moon was shown sucking parts of the planet during Convergence, it's possible the outer shell is actually made of rock to disguise it (though since it's incomplete, it doesn't explain how they would miss the massive hole that would likely be filled with flesh). 2) Since the military were dead set on finding the source of the Marker signals, it's possible and fairly likely that they focused all their efforts on unlocking the secrets of Tau Volantis since that was where the massive amounts of Marker signals were coming from. 3) It's possible they did send probes over, but the Moon's Marker EMP effects (which they do have, check the original ending for Dead Space or Dead Space Liberation) could have shut them down before they got close enough and those could have been dismissed as effects from the Marker signals. 4) The Markers could have been sending subtle signals into everyone's brains saying "this is a normal moon, nothing unusual about it, just go turn on the Machine on the planet instead." 5) They ultimately did record that in their logs, but when Scenario 5 was enacted, they destroyed all information about it.

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** That's... a really good question. I have a few theories; 1) Given that the Moon was shown sucking parts of the planet during Convergence, it's possible the outer shell is actually made of rock to disguise it (though since it's incomplete, it doesn't explain how they would miss the massive hole that would likely be filled with flesh). 2) Since the military were dead set on finding the source of the Marker signals, it's possible and fairly likely that they focused all their efforts on unlocking the secrets of Tau Volantis since that was where the massive amounts of Marker signals were coming from. 3) It's possible they did send probes over, but the Moon's Marker EMP effects (which they do have, check the original ending for Dead Space or Dead Space Liberation) could have shut them down before they got close enough and those could have been dismissed as effects from the Marker signals. 4) The Markers could have been sending subtle signals into everyone's brains saying "this is a normal moon, nothing unusual about it, just go turn on the Machine on the planet instead." 5) They ultimately did record that in their logs, but when Scenario 5 was enacted, they destroyed all most of the information about it. #5 seems like the most likely event though all of them are admittedly rather weak justifications.
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** That's... a really good question. I have a few theories; 1) Given that the Moon was shown sucking parts of the planet during Convergence, it's possible the outer shell is actually made of rock to disguise it (though since it's incomplete, it doesn't explain how they would miss the massive hole that would likely be filled with flesh). 2) Since the military were dead set on finding the source of the Marker signals, it's possible and fairly likely that they focused all their efforts on unlocking the secrets of Tau Volantis since that was where the massive amounts of Marker signals were coming from. 3) It's possible they did send probes over, but the Moon's Marker EMP effects (which they do have, check the original ending for Dead Space or Dead Space Liberation) could have shut them down before they got close enough and those could have been dismissed as effects from the Marker signals. 4) The Markers could have been sending subtle signals into everyone's brains saying "this is a normal moon, nothing unusual about it, just go turn on the Machine on the planet instead." 5) They ultimately did record that in their logs, but when Scenario 5 was enacted, they destroyed all information about it.
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***** So it's entirely possible the virus was the result of a random mutation in an alien disease that cascaded into making the first Convergence Event? What kind of aliens were they, Leviathans? Flood? the Engineers from Prometheus?

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