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* What's the deal with Wei's PointyEars?

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* What's the deal with Wei's PointyEars? PointyEars?
** Wei's biology may have been supremely messed up by The Gate - he can lose buckets of blood and as written above, can survive electrocution without the cops noticing he's NotQuiteDead.


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** Issues? You clearly need a crash course in the FemaleGaze; male collarbones are revered.


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** Well, both season endings and the show itself were heavily inspired by NeonGenesisEvangelion...consider it the EnforcedMethodActing equivalent of animating and writing a show.


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*** Even RealLife sociopaths (who aren't completely devoid of emotions, by the way) learn to do it overtime, hence why the disorder is so hard to diagnose in the first place. And contractors don't "seamlessly blend in" anyway. There's always something "off" there, even with the more charismatic ones like Mao or November 11.


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** It's a DeconstructionFleet. DarkerThanBlack has a lot of cliches like this and it's a meta show that's not afraid to make fun of itself. [[JamesBond November 11]] wore a black suit only when he died, for example. The transformation sequences are supposed to make the viewer think something like "oh, hahah, this is totally going to be plot relevant, I bet the transformation sequence will get interrupted or cause something bad to happen." [[{{AvertedTrope}} And then it doesn't]].
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*** except it was never said Yin became a Doll ten years ago. She could be fifteen or twenty since it's never clear if she became a doll ten or as little as four or five years before the story.
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** No, people can turn into Contractors or Dolls whenever. It appears to be completely random, though there was one theory that a new one is born every time an old ones dies. That Moratorium was an exception, but for different reasons. It's just a little confusing because all the Contractors in the first season were well-established.
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* What's the deal with people turning into Contractors left and right in the second season? The impression I got from the first season was that the transformations into Contractors and Dolls all occured around the time the Gates appeared. The only person to turn into one, as far as I recall, had had the change delayed by her father with that special seed in her arm, implying it would have normally happened back then, too. Could it be because of Hei's "choice of future for both humans and Contractors" at the end of season one? Was it ever addressed?
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*** [[hottip:spoiler:Shion copied either the entire planet to shape it to his will, copied the moon to slip it underneath the Gate's veil, or copied the entire universe and shaped ''that'' to his will. The backlash of this remuneration killed him.]]
*** [[hottip:spoiler:To be honest, I'm not really sure why he had to meet up with Yin in order to do this. There was an obvious metaphor where Izanami (Shion) was the god of life and Izanagi (Yin) the goddess of death, but there was never any mention of Yin killing or destroying anything in order for Shion to put his own copy there.]]
*** [[hottip:spoiler:As Shion's copies must always have something different about them, in this world/universe/whatever he never existed, and his father and Suou live a happy generic schoolgirl family life, reunited with Suou's mother, and July could live a normal life as well.]]
*** [[hottip:spoiler:This was the "end of the world" foretold in the prophecies concerning Izanami and Izanagi, and in a sense it was the end of the world. Oreille's organization, for whatever reason, had been working to make this happen because they too wanted the world remade.]]
*** [[hottip:spoiler:I guess Japan is a strategically valuable island or something, because this allowed the United States to take it over.]]
*** [[hottip:spoiler:August 7 was alive, I guess. Either that or July had his own personal CONGRATULATIONS vision and he really is dead.]]
*** [[hottip:spoiler:Another gate showed up somewhere, I guess. I'm not sure if Japan's gate is still there or not.]]
*** [[hottip:spoiler:Contractors still exist, though, as evidenced by the bit with Yin at the end.]]
*** [[hottip:spoiler:Suou's memories and "soul" had been stored in the meteor shard. That's why the anti-contractor machine caused Hei's powers to go to it rather than Suou herself-- because that's where "she" was.]]

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*** [[hottip:spoiler:Shion [[labelnote:spoiler]]Shion copied either the entire planet to shape it to his will, copied the moon to slip it underneath the Gate's veil, or copied the entire universe and shaped ''that'' to his will. The backlash of this remuneration killed him.]]
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*** [[hottip:spoiler:To [[labelnote:spoiler]]To be honest, I'm not really sure why he had to meet up with Yin in order to do this. There was an obvious metaphor where Izanami (Shion) was the god of life and Izanagi (Yin) the goddess of death, but there was never any mention of Yin killing or destroying anything in order for Shion to put his own copy there.]]
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*** [[hottip:spoiler:As [[labelnote:spoiler]]As Shion's copies must always have something different about them, in this world/universe/whatever he never existed, and his father and Suou live a happy generic schoolgirl family life, reunited with Suou's mother, and July could live a normal life as well.]]
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*** [[hottip:spoiler:This [[labelnote:spoiler]]This was the "end of the world" foretold in the prophecies concerning Izanami and Izanagi, and in a sense it was the end of the world. Oreille's organization, for whatever reason, had been working to make this happen because they too wanted the world remade.]]
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*** [[hottip:spoiler:I [[labelnote:spoiler]]I guess Japan is a strategically valuable island or something, because this allowed the United States to take it over.]]
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*** [[hottip:spoiler:August [[labelnote:spoiler]]August 7 was alive, I guess. Either that or July had his own personal CONGRATULATIONS vision and he really is dead.]]
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*** [[hottip:spoiler:Another [[labelnote:spoiler]]Another gate showed up somewhere, I guess. I'm not sure if Japan's gate is still there or not.]]
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*** [[hottip:spoiler:Contractors [[labelnote:spoiler]]Contractors still exist, though, as evidenced by the bit with Yin at the end.]]
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*** [[hottip:spoiler:Suou's [[labelnote:spoiler]]Suou's memories and "soul" had been stored in the meteor shard. That's why the anti-contractor machine caused Hei's powers to go to it rather than Suou herself-- because that's where "she" was.]][[/labelnote]]



*** [[hottip:spoiler:If you watch carefully, Shion copied the planet/universe/whatever before he started deteriorating, and ''well'' before he met Yin. I think it was Yin's influence that killed him in the end.]]
*** [[hottip:spoiler:Shion's copy of the world had neither himself nor the Gates; hence July's display of considerably more emotion than before.]]
*** [[hottip:spoiler:"Izanami" is some sort of EldritchAbomination-type consciousness that will presumably be a little better explained when the OVA comes out, but at any rate it causes Yin to force Contractors to commit suicide and, apparently, takes their souls; Yin managed to overcome/suppress it at the end when she asked Hei to kill her.]]
*** [[hottip:spoiler:Hei stopped whatever would have happened because of Izanagi and Izanami by killing Yin.]]

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*** [[hottip:spoiler:If [[labelnote:spoiler]]If you watch carefully, Shion copied the planet/universe/whatever before he started deteriorating, and ''well'' before he met Yin. I think it was Yin's influence that killed him in the end.]]
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*** [[hottip:spoiler:Shion's [[labelnote:spoiler]]Shion's copy of the world had neither himself nor the Gates; hence July's display of considerably more emotion than before.]]
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*** [[hottip:spoiler:"Izanami" [[labelnote:spoiler]]"Izanami" is some sort of EldritchAbomination-type consciousness that will presumably be a little better explained when the OVA comes out, but at any rate it causes Yin to force Contractors to commit suicide and, apparently, takes their souls; Yin managed to overcome/suppress it at the end when she asked Hei to kill her.]]
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*** [[hottip:spoiler:Hei [[labelnote:spoiler]]Hei stopped whatever would have happened because of Izanagi and Izanami by killing Yin.]][[/labelnote]]
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** For example, Hei could cut off the electric signals in the muscle creating cardiac arrest or stop him from breathing or he could just "turn off" the brain.

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** Well let's meet in the middle here then. They are TheUnfettered with their primary purpose being self preservation. They are coldly rational about everything ''except'' for self preservation.

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** *** Well let's meet in the middle here then. They are TheUnfettered with their primary purpose being self preservation. They are coldly rational about everything ''except'' for self preservation.
** Coldly rational doesn't mean good at thinking things through. Most people decide what's worth devoting energy to considering from the emotional impact it has on them. Without those cues, it probably doesn't occur to contractors to think things like whether their power might attract hazards they didn't previously have to worry about through until they're immediately and directly affected. Also, a lot of contractors who did realise it was safer to hide their power would probably be caught out by either using their powers in secret or looking at surveillance spectres, which would seem fairly safe for the untutored.
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** Probably an effect of differing translations. The comment about Suou's thighs is pretty unambiguous, unless the translator was specifically attempting to censor, but unless you caught that or his comment on first being thwarted by Suou that he could fall for the "little prince" if he kept being so tricky, it could easily be missed.
** Also, Yoko was restrained and drugged into pliable compliance. When her body was discovered, she was still restrained, but bleeding from numerous places (that she couldn't have done herself). The implication of gratuitous violence is not helped by Genma's unprompted statement that he "treated her so nice" when getting the information.

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*** This is very heavily implied. Heck, the original poster touched on it when he said that "Contractors are becoming less sociopathic."

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*** This is very heavily implied. Heck, the original poster touched on it when he said that "Contractors are becoming less sociopathic.""


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** Contractors don't lose their emotions, just the psychological mechanisms through which emotions normally guide behaviour. That would mean that they no longer understand why they were acting in emotionally instinctive ways (eg. being nicer to people they like) and would probably make them unable to able to detect some of their own emotions, because they no longer feel them as a desire to do something. The only context we see Tanya in before she changes is participating in emotional exchanges with people, deciding by instinct how to achieve the relationship dynamics to the ones she wants and then enjoying the emotional feedback. Assuming this implies she was a people person and one who mostly appreciated emotional interactions she can no longer experience, maybe she doesn't have much personality left to express?
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*** Personally, it's the never-taken-seriously aspect that I found most creepy. Norio is a nutjob, but none of the characters even tries to stop him from sexually harassing a young girl, except on the grounds that he'll get hurt.

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*** Personally, it's the never-taken-seriously aspect that I found most creepy. Norio is a nutjob, but none of the characters even tries to stop him from sexually harassing a young girl, except on the grounds that he'll get hurt. Suou's speeches do call out the abusive nature of her relationships with him and Hei, but only ambiguously. Add in Mina apparently thinking that grabbing someone and holding them restrained against your body (whilst explaining that virginity is unhealthy) is a reasonable way to make a pass, and I'd really like a lampshade to tell me whether or not sexualised abuse and pedophilia is considered acceptable.
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*** Suou also has a very strong theme of not belonging to any group and searching for connection.


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*** Personally, it's the never-taken-seriously aspect that I found most creepy. Norio is a nutjob, but none of the characters even tries to stop him from sexually harassing a young girl, except on the grounds that he'll get hurt.
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**Contractors DO feel emotions. Mao, a contractor himself, said that contractors do feel emotions, its just that their emotions don't interfere with their thinking (e.g if a dude walk into a bar and someone said bad things about his mother, then the obvious reaction is talk back or attack, as their emotions get the better of him. However a Contractor would still feel the same emotions but they wouldn't get overwhelm by it. So Contractors aren't experiencing Sociopathy, but rather some form of Asperger's Syndrome(which is often mistaken for Sociopathy). Which would explain why Hei's Sister and Amber care about Hei, or how Mina wants revenge for having one of her friend hert. They don't feel any empathy towards a random strangers whom they are assign to kill, and can often ignored the emotional sting that comes with it. However they can form personal attachment to those they are close to long enough (Albeit its extremely difficult). However they can't become instantly social with a random person, like a normal human can do, and such have only really tight-knit social groups (an example is Mao and Hei's relationship, or Hei, Pai and Amber's own team during the South American incident).
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** Well let's meet in the middle here then. They are TheUnfettered with their primary purpose being self preservation. They are coldly rational about everything ''except'' for self preservation.
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** The fact that her response was "why not?" proves that she isn't rational. It's obvious contractors are sociopaths, they don't care about anyone or anything but themselves. However, they are also seen as being perfectly rational and unfeeling; any rational person would respond to "why not?" with "because it's against the law". It logically follows that this will force the person to give up something they currently have (freedom if they are arrested, safety if they fight, security if they run, or money if they do anything they didn't prepare for), the exact opposite of what someone motivated solely by self interest would desire. It would simply be in their advantage to never attract the attention of the law in the first place. Cold rationality may be amoral, but it must take the public's or government's opinion of your actions into account. Contractors are TheUnfettered, but it is that precise trait that declares them to be as irrational as anyone else.
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** First of all, a true contractor '''is''' completely emotionless and amoral when they first get their powers, every new contractor we have seen has demonstrated this. Also, a new contractor doesn't seem to care much about laws and such. Remember that girl from eps 3-4 in season one? When she killed a man with her fire powers she was told basically "WAIT DON'T DO IT!" and her response was "But why not?". And one more thing, its difficult for a contractors to go about "living mundane lives" because as the first response mentioned, they are total sociopaths, something that just turns people off/weirds them out whenever they interact with a contractor, making it very difficult for them to land a job, and thus support themselves. Finally, science didn't declare them AlwaysChaoticEvil, it really declared them TheUnfettered and a threat to humanity. The reason people were trying to eliminate the contractors was because they were afraid contractors would decide regular humans were inhibiting them and try to wipe them out.
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* Why does everyone think contractors are completely rational when the very fact anyone knows about implies they aren't? Think about, the first thing a coldly rational contractor must think when they discover their powers must be that they need to keep it a secret if they want to stay in control of their life. Since they don't suffer from PowerIncontinence, the best way to do this is to simply not use their powers unless absolutely necessary. This, of course, means that they should be predisposed to avoiding situations where they might need to use their powers. There's no litmus test for contractors, so why would they reveal themselves in the first place instead of living mundane lives without attracting attention to themselves? They may be sociopaths, but they should still have the sense to, for example, obey the law out of fear of the consequences. Considering that science has apparently declared contractors to be AlwaysChaoticEvil, this seems like a pretty big hole.
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*** Actually its pretty difficult to learn to seamlessly blend in when you have no emotions. Ask some real life sociopaths about it.
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** But what about the astronauts already up in orbit, in the ISS, [[BuffySpeak when the thing happened?]] [[FridgeHorror Did they just vanish too?]]

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** But what about the astronauts ButWhatAboutTheAstronauts already up in orbit, in the ISS, [[BuffySpeak when the thing happened?]] [[FridgeHorror Did they just vanish too?]]
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** This is of course correct, the above debate was simply about their viability as covert operatives in and of itself. And as you point out, even if their spying capabilities weren't that great its just really nice to have an enforcer who can topple buildings and kill scores of people at once(and not even need mental conditioning beforehand or run the risk of needing therapy after) on hand in that kind of buisness.
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** Another explanation can point that Hei can control the electricity flow (he can HACK electronic locks with his powers) efficiently enough to stop human heart without whatsoever collateral damage.

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** Another explanation can point that Hei can control the electricity flow (he can HACK electronic locks with his powers) efficiently enough to stop human heart or scramble brain without whatsoever collateral damage.
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** Results. Hey has the most notorious record in the world. This is even worse considering that the most cases were attributed to him based on his star record only. Meaning he literally left no traces/no survivors.
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** It is implied that contractors learn to behave less sociopathic and emotionless. It's not that hard and it makes interactions with muggles much easier.
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*** I always wondered what was wrong with the people in the marvel universe. Look, there is the guy who can disintegrate me with a though. Let's throw some rocks at him, what could possibly go wrong. It is entirely reasonable to be as polite as possible when you talk to them and run as fast as you can when you are out of their sight.
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** As it was stated in the end of season 1, the sole reason to use contractor as agents was just a long term plan to make contractors wipe out themselves. It is implied that less complicated scenario could provoke an outright rebellion and world scale guerilla war. And despite obvious setback it is just nice to have around a guy with the firepower of a tank.
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** Another explanation can point that Hei can control the electricity flow (he can HACK electronic locks with his powers) efficiently enough to stop human heart without whatsoever collateral damage.
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** Because if they don't, the government will kill them. Take for example Tayna in season 2. Right after she became a Contractor the military found her and recruited her. It is nigh impossible for a new contractor to fit in with society(and thus get a job) due to the extreme sociopathy (which seems to take years to begin to fade), and if they try to use their powers to survive they get found by the military, and while they are indisputably badass they are not immortal or omniscient. They could turn to crime or prostitution (neither of which is overly safe) but they may very well get caught and sent to jail or something without copious use of their powers(which while taking care of the food and shelter issue is still a fairly dangerous place, and would likely result in them using their powers for protection after pissing someone off accidentally anyway)which has us run into the government again. Sure many of the Contractors we run into could go rogue and have a decent run of it(Amber and Hei both go rogue ''twice'' for example), but a new contractor won't have the experience or training they do. A new Contractor doesn't really have any experience using their power and while admittedly they seem to instinctively understand what it is and how it works, but they won't be well versed in ingenious combat applications (outside the obvious) and unless they had pre-contract training no combat experience either. Thus while they can and will use lethal force defending themselves, they won't be very good at it or at least not as good as the ones chasing them.

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** Because if they don't, the government will kill them. Take for example Tayna in season 2. Right after she became a Contractor the military found her and recruited her. It her, and from what we see they gave her a pretty obvious "join or die" ultimatum, which based on how people in general treat contractors is most likely the same option given to all of them. Not to mention that even if they did fight off the initial team it is nigh impossible for a new contractor to fit blend in with society(and thus get a job) due to the extreme sociopathy (which seems to take years to begin to fade), and if they try to use their powers to survive they get found by the military, and while they are indisputably badass they are not immortal or omniscient. They could turn to crime or prostitution (neither of which is overly safe) but they may very well get caught and sent to jail or something without copious use of their powers(which powers which while taking care of the food and shelter issue is still a fairly dangerous place, and would likely result in them using their powers for protection after pissing someone off accidentally anyway)which anyway, which has us run into the government again.again either way. Sure many of the Contractors we run into could go rogue and have a decent run of it(Amber and Hei both go rogue ''twice'' for example), but a new contractor won't have the experience or training they do. A new Contractor doesn't really have any experience using their power and while admittedly they seem to instinctively understand what it is and how it works, but they won't be well versed in ingenious combat applications (outside the obvious) and unless they had pre-contract training no combat experience either. Thus while they can and will use lethal force defending themselves, they won't be very good at it or at least not as good as the ones chasing them.
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** Because if they don't, the government will kill them. Take for example Tayna in season 2. Right after she became a Contractor the military found her and recruited her. It is nigh impossible for a new contractor to fit in with society(and thus get a job) due to the extreme sociopathy(which seems to take years to begin to fade), and if they try to use their powers to survive they get found by the military, and while they are indisputably badass they are not immortal or omniscient(Although Amber gets close to both.) They could turn to crime or prostitution (neither of which is overly safe) but they would probably get caught and sent to jail or something(which while taking care of the food and shelter issue is still a fairly dangerous place), or wind up using their powers which has us run into the government again. Sure many of the Contractors we run into could go rogue and have a decent run of it(Amber and Hei both go rogue ''twice''), but a new contractor won't have the experience or training they do. A new Contractor doesn't really have any experience using their power, and unless they had pre-contract training no combat experience either thus while they can and will use lethal force, they won't be very good at it, whereas the people hunting them have both training and experience.

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** Because if they don't, the government will kill them. Take for example Tayna in season 2. Right after she became a Contractor the military found her and recruited her. It is nigh impossible for a new contractor to fit in with society(and thus get a job) due to the extreme sociopathy(which sociopathy (which seems to take years to begin to fade), and if they try to use their powers to survive they get found by the military, and while they are indisputably badass they are not immortal or omniscient(Although Amber gets close to both.) omniscient. They could turn to crime or prostitution (neither of which is overly safe) but they would probably may very well get caught and sent to jail or something(which something without copious use of their powers(which while taking care of the food and shelter issue is still a fairly dangerous place), or wind up place, and would likely result in them using their powers which for protection after pissing someone off accidentally anyway)which has us run into the government again. Sure many of the Contractors we run into could go rogue and have a decent run of it(Amber and Hei both go rogue ''twice''), ''twice'' for example), but a new contractor won't have the experience or training they do. A new Contractor doesn't really have any experience using their power, power and while admittedly they seem to instinctively understand what it is and how it works, but they won't be well versed in ingenious combat applications (outside the obvious) and unless they had pre-contract training no combat experience either thus either. Thus while they can and will use lethal force, force defending themselves, they won't be very good at it, whereas it or at least not as good as the people hunting them have both training and experience.
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** Well take those fights as unresolved conflicts then. Usually when he gets saved its when cavalry shows up and interferes when he hasn't asked for it, nor does he really need it. However that does fit in with the show because the interference generally comes whenever it is most practical to do so for the interferers, rather than the audience. The November 11 fight is a perfect example. When Huang shoots that smoke grenade, he is only doing it so that Hei can be sure to have a guaranteed escape route because the mission is over and he doesn't want to run the risk of losing a valuable operative for no real reason, he isn't doing it because he thinks Hei actually needs the help, at that point he doesn't even really care personally whether Hei lives or dies anyway.
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** I am also offput by all of the lolicon- they better not hook up Hei and Suou. On the other hand, I did get the vibe that with the crossdresser father, they might have been going for the gay = mutant idea of the XMen. On the other hand, it's kind of surprising, but besides TheSyndicate, average people so far don't really seem to hate Contractors, which is weird given how mutants are treated in most series, and Contractors are a lot more dangerous. Like that mother in the latest episode telling her child not to look at Hei fighting Genma, because if Contractors see you, they will "take your bellybutton". Sure, that's making them bogeymen, but she seemed pretty calm.

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** I am also offput by all of the lolicon- they better not hook up Hei and Suou. On the other hand, I did get the vibe that with the crossdresser father, they might have been going for the gay = mutant idea of the XMen.Franchise/{{X-Men}}. On the other hand, it's kind of surprising, but besides TheSyndicate, average people so far don't really seem to hate Contractors, which is weird given how mutants are treated in most series, and Contractors are a lot more dangerous. Like that mother in the latest episode telling her child not to look at Hei fighting Genma, because if Contractors see you, they will "take your bellybutton". Sure, that's making them bogeymen, but she seemed pretty calm.

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