History Headscratchers / DarkerThanBLACK

11th Dec '16 5:15:00 PM Doug86
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* Those random Scandinavians (which I ''think'' are supposed to be Finns, based on the names, but I could be wrong here, as the guy's name is kinda odd, as far as I've observed) were an interesting addition and all... but c'mon, is it too much to ask to get the {{VA}}s to learn how to ''pronounce their characters' names right''? Eelis' VA did get close with Eelis' name, yeah, but considering that Eelis should be of the same nationality as Yin/Kirsi, not to mention having been closely acquaintaced with her, he really should be capable of getting Kirsi's name right.
** This is a failing of the Japanese language, not the VAs. They don't actually have a "si" sound, so the closest approximation is "shi". Unless you're talking about the dub? In which case, just ignore me.

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* Those random Scandinavians (which I ''think'' are supposed to be Finns, based on the names, but I could be wrong here, as the guy's name is kinda odd, as far as I've observed) were an interesting addition and all... but c'mon, is it too much to ask to get the {{VA}}s [=VAs=] to learn how to ''pronounce their characters' names right''? Eelis' VA did get close with Eelis' name, yeah, but considering that Eelis should be of the same nationality as Yin/Kirsi, not to mention having been closely acquaintaced with her, he really should be capable of getting Kirsi's name right.
** This is a failing of the Japanese language, not the VAs.[=VAs=]. They don't actually have a "si" sound, so the closest approximation is "shi". Unless you're talking about the dub? In which case, just ignore me.
13th May '16 1:21:32 AM OafishVulture
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** Yin's backstory explicitly states that the moon, which has not been visible since the gates appeared, was shining that night. This puts that flashback at least ten years before the events of the first season.
11th May '16 5:27:54 PM OafishVulture
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** The age gap being significant but not extreme is probably why his friends call him out on it, but are not greatly disturbed.
19th Feb '16 11:28:32 PM kithas
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** Havoc actually managed to "disappear" and somehow reverted from contractor tu muggle. Do you remember what did they do to her when the agencies took her? Take that as an example.
13th Dec '15 5:39:38 PM nombretomado
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** I am also offput by all of the lolicon- they better not hook up Hei and Suou. On the other hand, I did get the vibe that with the crossdresser father, they might have been going for the gay = mutant idea of the Franchise/{{X-Men}}. On the other hand, it's kind of surprising, but besides TheSyndicate, average people so far don't really seem to hate Contractors, which is weird given how mutants are treated in most series, and Contractors are a lot more dangerous. Like that mother in the latest episode telling her child not to look at Hei fighting Genma, because if Contractors see you, they will "take your bellybutton". Sure, that's making them bogeymen, but she seemed pretty calm.

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** I am also offput by all of the lolicon- they better not hook up Hei and Suou. On the other hand, I did get the vibe that with the crossdresser father, they might have been going for the gay = mutant idea of the Franchise/{{X-Men}}.Franchise/XMen. On the other hand, it's kind of surprising, but besides TheSyndicate, average people so far don't really seem to hate Contractors, which is weird given how mutants are treated in most series, and Contractors are a lot more dangerous. Like that mother in the latest episode telling her child not to look at Hei fighting Genma, because if Contractors see you, they will "take your bellybutton". Sure, that's making them bogeymen, but she seemed pretty calm.
17th Nov '15 6:35:32 AM Hyperion5
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** Probably a case of WritersCannotDoMath and he's meant to be older than sixteen. This troper got the impression that he was in his early 20's, which is a bit more loli.
15th Jul '15 2:04:46 PM Kyogre386
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* Suou is technically 2 years old (because that's when Shion created her). However, physically, she is a clone of Shion. When Mao and Shion's mother first meet, we see that Shion's mother is fairly late into the pregnancy that led to the birth of Shion and the original Suou. The conversation between her and Mao and Mao's commentary make it clear the gate hasn't opened yet, although it's not long before it does. When Shion is born, he is already a contractor, which means the gate has opened at that point. The gate is stated to have opened approximately 13 years before the second season and the above points mean that Shion would be very close to 13 years old, and therefore so would Suou (at least physically, and nobody but her father, her brother, her mother, and Madame Oreille and her dolls know about her being a copy when Norio is relevant). Norio is stated to have been 3 years old when his mother became a contractor, which would have been either when or after the gate opened, 13 years ago, meaning Norio is no more than 16. So Norio is 16 or less and Suou is almost exactly 13. This makes me somewhat confused at Norio's friends calling him a lolicon for liking Suou. He's definitely a creepy stalker, sure, but is a 16 year old liking a 13 year old really lolicon? It's not exactly a trivial gap, but they are still both teenagers, not exactly a trait associated with lolicon. He's not exactly Sojiro Izumi.

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4th Apr '15 1:58:47 PM ACW
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* Why does everybody say that Genma was a pedophile? I never once got that vibe from him. The only things I can think of that even come close are the two instances in which he calls Suou a "cute little kid," and even then, he sounded more as if he were mocking her for seeming unthreatening. In fact, he's been labeled as a CompleteMonster several times on this site, but the most evil I ever saw him commit was killing Yoko and nearly killing Suou, and while those are certainly evil actions, I don't see how they transform him from "villain" to "complete monster."

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* Why does everybody say that Genma was a pedophile? I never once got that vibe from him. The only things I can think of that even come close are the two instances in which he calls Suou a "cute little kid," and even then, he sounded more as if he were mocking her for seeming unthreatening. In fact, he's been labeled as a CompleteMonster Complete Monster several times on this site, but the most evil I ever saw him commit was killing Yoko and nearly killing Suou, and while those are certainly evil actions, I don't see how they transform him from "villain" to "complete monster."
19th Mar '15 7:06:54 PM Discar
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*** ...Wait, ''What''? I ''must'' see this page and quote, if only the confirm that totally cracked-out tidbit (as for the initial question, Mayu's collarbone fixation probably has to do with the fact that Hei was wearing a) a mask and b) a shirt that was neither his usual man-cleavage-showcasing button-up nor the skin-tight spy catsuit that's usually under the BadassLongcoat. Therefore, the most immediate object of focus would be the infamous "delicious collarbone." Also, she was drunk during the rescue. People think of some pretty weird things while drunk.)

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*** ...** ...Wait, ''What''? I ''must'' see this page and quote, if only the confirm that totally cracked-out tidbit (as for the initial question, Mayu's collarbone fixation probably has to do with the fact that Hei was wearing a) a mask and b) a shirt that was neither his usual man-cleavage-showcasing button-up nor the skin-tight spy catsuit that's usually under the BadassLongcoat. Therefore, the most immediate object of focus would be the infamous "delicious collarbone." Also, she was drunk during the rescue. People think of some pretty weird things while drunk.)



*** Suou also has a very strong theme of not belonging to any group and searching for connection.

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*** ** Suou also has a very strong theme of not belonging to any group and searching for connection.



*** I always wondered what was wrong with the people in the marvel universe. Look, there is the guy who can disintegrate me with a though. Let's throw some rocks at him, what could possibly go wrong. It is entirely reasonable to be as polite as possible when you talk to them and run as fast as you can when you are out of their sight.

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*** ** I always wondered what was wrong with the people in the marvel universe. Look, there is the guy who can disintegrate me with a though. Let's throw some rocks at him, what could possibly go wrong. It is entirely reasonable to be as polite as possible when you talk to them and run as fast as you can when you are out of their sight.



*** Personally, it's the never-taken-seriously aspect that I found most creepy. Norio is a nutjob, but none of the characters even tries to stop him from sexually harassing a young girl, except on the grounds that he'll get hurt. Suou's speeches do call out the abusive nature of her relationships with him and Hei, but only ambiguously. Add in Mina apparently thinking that grabbing someone and holding them restrained against your body (whilst explaining that virginity is unhealthy) is a reasonable way to make a pass, and I'd really like a lampshade to tell me whether or not sexualised abuse and pedophilia is considered acceptable.

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*** ** Personally, it's the never-taken-seriously aspect that I found most creepy. Norio is a nutjob, but none of the characters even tries to stop him from sexually harassing a young girl, except on the grounds that he'll get hurt. Suou's speeches do call out the abusive nature of her relationships with him and Hei, but only ambiguously. Add in Mina apparently thinking that grabbing someone and holding them restrained against your body (whilst explaining that virginity is unhealthy) is a reasonable way to make a pass, and I'd really like a lampshade to tell me whether or not sexualised abuse and pedophilia is considered acceptable.



*** Damn. Well, for moving so fast, he sure changed his expression into the show's biggest "oh shit" face in time. Thanks for the explanation!
**** Problem is, why doesn't his moving at the speed of sound through air itself trigger existence issues? Surely the body is not made to withstand air resistance while moving at 340 m/sec? Unless he has some secondary powers not mentioned.
**** I always assumed that he had some form of force field that could protect him from the impacts/friction but once they get up to a certain force value they just blow through the shield.

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*** ** Damn. Well, for moving so fast, he sure changed his expression into the show's biggest "oh shit" face in time. Thanks for the explanation!
**** ** Problem is, why doesn't his moving at the speed of sound through air itself trigger existence issues? Surely the body is not made to withstand air resistance while moving at 340 m/sec? Unless he has some secondary powers not mentioned.
**** ** I always assumed that he had some form of force field that could protect him from the impacts/friction but once they get up to a certain force value they just blow through the shield.



*** [[labelnote:spoiler]]Shion copied either the entire planet to shape it to his will, copied the moon to slip it underneath the Gate's veil, or copied the entire universe and shaped ''that'' to his will. The backlash of this remuneration killed him.[[/labelnote]]
*** [[labelnote:spoiler]]To be honest, I'm not really sure why he had to meet up with Yin in order to do this. There was an obvious metaphor where Izanami (Shion) was the god of life and Izanagi (Yin) the goddess of death, but there was never any mention of Yin killing or destroying anything in order for Shion to put his own copy there.[[/labelnote]]
*** [[labelnote:spoiler]]As Shion's copies must always have something different about them, in this world/universe/whatever he never existed, and his father and Suou live a happy generic schoolgirl family life, reunited with Suou's mother, and July could live a normal life as well.[[/labelnote]]
*** [[labelnote:spoiler]]This was the "end of the world" foretold in the prophecies concerning Izanami and Izanagi, and in a sense it was the end of the world. Oreille's organization, for whatever reason, had been working to make this happen because they too wanted the world remade.[[/labelnote]]
*** [[labelnote:spoiler]]I guess Japan is a strategically valuable island or something, because this allowed the United States to take it over.[[/labelnote]]
*** [[labelnote:spoiler]]August 7 was alive, I guess. Either that or July had his own personal CONGRATULATIONS vision and he really is dead.[[/labelnote]]
*** [[labelnote:spoiler]]Another gate showed up somewhere, I guess. I'm not sure if Japan's gate is still there or not.[[/labelnote]]
*** [[labelnote:spoiler]]Contractors still exist, though, as evidenced by the bit with Yin at the end.[[/labelnote]]
*** [[labelnote:spoiler]]Suou's memories and "soul" had been stored in the meteor shard. That's why the anti-contractor machine caused Hei's powers to go to it rather than Suou herself-- because that's where "she" was.[[/labelnote]]
*** An OVA is slated to come out in 2010 concerning the events between seasons 1 and 2. At the very least, it will explain some about Yin.

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*** ### [[labelnote:spoiler]]Shion copied either the entire planet to shape it to his will, copied the moon to slip it underneath the Gate's veil, or copied the entire universe and shaped ''that'' to his will. The backlash of this remuneration killed him.[[/labelnote]]
*** ### [[labelnote:spoiler]]To be honest, I'm not really sure why he had to meet up with Yin in order to do this. There was an obvious metaphor where Izanami (Shion) was the god of life and Izanagi (Yin) the goddess of death, but there was never any mention of Yin killing or destroying anything in order for Shion to put his own copy there.[[/labelnote]]
*** ### [[labelnote:spoiler]]As Shion's copies must always have something different about them, in this world/universe/whatever he never existed, and his father and Suou live a happy generic schoolgirl family life, reunited with Suou's mother, and July could live a normal life as well.[[/labelnote]]
*** ### [[labelnote:spoiler]]This was the "end of the world" foretold in the prophecies concerning Izanami and Izanagi, and in a sense it was the end of the world. Oreille's organization, for whatever reason, had been working to make this happen because they too wanted the world remade.[[/labelnote]]
*** ### [[labelnote:spoiler]]I guess Japan is a strategically valuable island or something, because this allowed the United States to take it over.[[/labelnote]]
*** ### [[labelnote:spoiler]]August 7 was alive, I guess. Either that or July had his own personal CONGRATULATIONS vision and he really is dead.[[/labelnote]]
*** ### [[labelnote:spoiler]]Another gate showed up somewhere, I guess. I'm not sure if Japan's gate is still there or not.[[/labelnote]]
*** ### [[labelnote:spoiler]]Contractors still exist, though, as evidenced by the bit with Yin at the end.[[/labelnote]]
*** ### [[labelnote:spoiler]]Suou's memories and "soul" had been stored in the meteor shard. That's why the anti-contractor machine caused Hei's powers to go to it rather than Suou herself-- because that's where "she" was.[[/labelnote]]
*** ** An OVA is slated to come out in 2010 concerning the events between seasons 1 and 2. At the very least, it will explain some about Yin.



*** [[labelnote:spoiler]]If you watch carefully, Shion copied the planet/universe/whatever before he started deteriorating, and ''well'' before he met Yin. I think it was Yin's influence that killed him in the end.[[/labelnote]]
*** [[labelnote:spoiler]]Shion's copy of the world had neither himself nor the Gates; hence July's display of considerably more emotion than before.[[/labelnote]]
*** [[labelnote:spoiler]]"Izanami" is some sort of EldritchAbomination-type consciousness that will presumably be a little better explained when the OVA comes out, but at any rate it causes Yin to force Contractors to commit suicide and, apparently, takes their souls; Yin managed to overcome/suppress it at the end when she asked Hei to kill her.[[/labelnote]]
*** [[labelnote:spoiler]]Hei stopped whatever would have happened because of Izanagi and Izanami by killing Yin.[[/labelnote]]
*** Unfortunately, I have ''no freaking clue'' what Madame Oreille was trying to accomplish in this interpretation, or why.
**** My guess is that she was trying to stop the Izanagi and Izanami as well, Hei did it for her

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*** ### [[labelnote:spoiler]]If you watch carefully, Shion copied the planet/universe/whatever before he started deteriorating, and ''well'' before he met Yin. I think it was Yin's influence that killed him in the end.[[/labelnote]]
*** ### [[labelnote:spoiler]]Shion's copy of the world had neither himself nor the Gates; hence July's display of considerably more emotion than before.[[/labelnote]]
*** ### [[labelnote:spoiler]]"Izanami" is some sort of EldritchAbomination-type consciousness that will presumably be a little better explained when the OVA comes out, but at any rate it causes Yin to force Contractors to commit suicide and, apparently, takes their souls; Yin managed to overcome/suppress it at the end when she asked Hei to kill her.[[/labelnote]]
*** ### [[labelnote:spoiler]]Hei stopped whatever would have happened because of Izanagi and Izanami by killing Yin.[[/labelnote]]
*** ### Unfortunately, I have ''no freaking clue'' what Madame Oreille was trying to accomplish in this interpretation, or why.
**** ** My guess is that she Oreille was trying to stop the Izanagi and Izanami as well, Hei did it for her



*** No, not really. All we see is that they're really close and Hei [[MoralityPet gets extremely protective of her]], which we already knew; it's deliberately left open, so a shipper can legitimately [[ShippingGoggles interpret their relationship one way]], while someone who disagrees can interpret it differently. [[spoiler:Sure, Izanami is all over Hei, but it's hard to tell if she's a SplitPersonality or a separate entity, and he mostly seems quite understandably creeped-out. Otherwise, all that happens is that they hug, which can just as easily be platonic.]]
**** That's just your personal opinion, [[WordofGod Word of God]] has already stated them as being canon.
***** Where?
***** WordOfGod has been pretty tight-lipped about the entire situation, actually. This Troper hasn't seen much of ''anything'' from the writers alluding to them being in a romantic relationship or having mutual romantic feelings for each other. As the above troper states, it's relatively ambiguous and shippers can ship whoever they want, or ship no one at all. In other words: if you want to see it, it's there. If you don't want to see it, it's not there.

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*** ** No, not really. All we see is that they're really close and Hei [[MoralityPet gets extremely protective of her]], which we already knew; it's deliberately left open, so a shipper can legitimately [[ShippingGoggles interpret their relationship one way]], while someone who disagrees can interpret it differently. [[spoiler:Sure, Izanami is all over Hei, but it's hard to tell if she's a SplitPersonality or a separate entity, and he mostly seems quite understandably creeped-out. Otherwise, all that happens is that they hug, which can just as easily be platonic.]]
**** ** That's just your personal opinion, [[WordofGod Word of God]] has already stated them as being canon.
***** ** Where?
***** ** WordOfGod has been pretty tight-lipped about the entire situation, actually. This Troper hasn't seen much of ''anything'' from the writers alluding to them being in a romantic relationship or having mutual romantic feelings for each other. As the above troper states, it's relatively ambiguous and shippers can ship whoever they want, or ship no one at all. In other words: if you want to see it, it's there. If you don't want to see it, it's not there.



*** except it was never said Yin became a Doll ten years ago. She could be fifteen or twenty since it's never clear if she became a doll ten or as little as four or five years before the story.

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*** ** except it was never said Yin became a Doll ten years ago. She could be fifteen or twenty since it's never clear if she became a doll ten or as little as four or five years before the story.



*** This is very heavily implied. Heck, the original poster touched on it when he said that "Contractors are becoming less sociopathic."

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*** ** This is very heavily implied. Heck, the original poster touched on it when he said that "Contractors are becoming less sociopathic."



*** Actually its pretty difficult to learn to seamlessly blend in when you have no emotions. Ask some real life sociopaths about it.
*** Even RealLife sociopaths (who aren't completely devoid of emotions, by the way) learn to do it overtime, hence why the disorder is so hard to diagnose in the first place. And contractors don't "seamlessly blend in" anyway. There's always something "off" there, even with the more charismatic ones like Mao or November 11.

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*** ** Actually its it's pretty difficult to learn to seamlessly blend in when you have no emotions. Ask some real life sociopaths about it.
*** ** Even RealLife sociopaths (who aren't completely devoid of emotions, by the way) learn to do it overtime, hence why the disorder is so hard to diagnose in the first place. And contractors don't "seamlessly blend in" anyway. There's always something "off" there, even with the more charismatic ones like Mao or November 11.



*** Well let's meet in the middle here then. They are TheUnfettered with their primary purpose being self preservation. They are coldly rational about everything ''except'' for self preservation.

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*** ** Well let's meet in the middle here then. They are TheUnfettered with their primary purpose being self preservation. They are coldly rational about everything ''except'' for self preservation.
19th Mar '15 7:04:38 PM Discar
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