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** Probably because of Bill's mafia debts. If the Marlene told the police, the mob would know that Bill was dead within a couple of days at the most, and they would most likely demand that the debts be taken up by Marlene and Wilson. Disposing of the body quietly gave them more time to figure out an escape plan. As traumatising as it must have been to help dispose of his dad's corpse, Marlene probably reckoned it'd be better than having Wilson be made an example of by the mob.
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** There's also the fact that Nobu ''himself'' made it pretty clear that he considered it a duel to the death, and this was ''after'' Matt gave him an obvious and lengthy chance to walk away. Even setting aside the fact that it was almost certainly an accident, Matt probably doesn't dwell on it too much simply because Nobu had a couple chances to back off. He ultimately made his own choice and Matt is probably satisfied even being alive after the flaying Nobu gave him.
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** Or he probably buys them in bulk, much like how he bought his first all black civie-style costume in bulk because he never learned how to sew.
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** From my understanding, the criminal enterprise works as a sort of criminal syndicate: Owsley, Nobu, Fisk, Gao and the Brothers share (in theory, but not in practice) equal authority, which is why they (again, in theory) have to consult with one another before doing big decisions. It's a sort of "mutual benefit" partnership they are supposed to have, but of course, they keep trying to sabotage one another. Owsley is the money-launderer who erases the money's trace, Gao manufactures (and probably smuggles) drugs of varied sorts, the Brothers distribute drugs and seem to provide [[TheBrute brute strength]] in the form of manpower to cover the operations. Nobu (as noted by Wesley) does nothing per see, his role is to serve as an ambassador of the Hand's authority and make sure the Hand's interests are maintained, and if need be, enforced (as seen with his fight with Daredevil). Fisk's purpose is more generic, he is a man of connections, politicians, cops, journalists, bankers, Fisk has everything on his pocket. He's basically TheFixer in this criminal authority. Now, over the course of the season (spoilers of course), the system changed: The Brothers were wiped out and Fisk absorbed their duties (distributing drugs and providing legbreakers), Nobu is dead (which means the Hand lacks a ambassador in New York for the time being), Gao's operation was dismantled by Daredevil and she left town, Fisk murdered Owsley (basically leaving them without a man to cover their tracks), and finally Fisk winds up in jail. By the end of the season, the entire chain of authority has collapsed and Fisk is the last piece standing. Presumably, season 2 will deal with Fisk expanding his role to fill Owsley and Gao's shoes.
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** Wesley actually mentions in Season 1 that the Japanese don't bring anything to the table, and yet they get an equal share. Fisk mentions that they're a "necessary evil." It's likely that they sit at the table because Fisk has no choice; he just can't take on Nobu's organization.
** Wesley actually mentions in Season 1 that the Japanese don't bring anything to the table, and yet they get an equal share. Fisk mentions that they're a "necessary evil." It's likely that they sit at the table because Fisk has no choice; he just can't take on Nobu's organization.
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** Matt throws one of his escrima sticks at Nobu's oncoming attack, which deflects the stick into the lightbulb. The stick leaves Matt's hand at a straight angle towards Nobu, not upward towards the light. It was almost certainly an accident.
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* Matt being blind, he walks around with a white cane as part of him "no, really, I can't see" cover when he's in civvie mode. If he needs to get somewhere in a hurry, though, like if he's chasing down a car or rescuing someone, the first thing he does is ditch his cane in a random dumpster as he ducks into an alley.
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* Matt being blind, he walks around with a white cane as part of him "no, really, I can't see" cover when he's in civvie mode. If he needs to get somewhere in a hurry, though, like if he's chasing down a car or rescuing someone, the first thing he does is ditch his cane in a random dumpster as he ducks into an alley.
#alley. If he goes back for the cane later, how does he locate it again? Does he just remember which of 80 dumpsters he tossed it in? What happens if a trash truck comes in the meantime?
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* Matt being blind, he walks around with a white cane as part of him "no, really, I can't see" cover when he's in civvie mode. If he needs to get somewhere in a hurry, though, like if he's chasing down a car or rescuing someone, the first thing he does is ditch his cane in a random dumpster as he ducks into an alley.
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* Matt being blind, he walks around with a white cane as part of him "no, really, I can't see" cover when he's in civvie mode. If he needs to get somewhere in a hurry, though, like if he's chasing down a car or rescuing someone, the first thing he does is ditch his cane in a random dumpster as he ducks into an alley.
# If he goes back for the cane later, how does he locate it again? Does he just remember which of 80 dumpsters he tossed it in? What happens if a trash truck comes in the meantime?
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** Actually, it makes sense that he stayed there. Everybody who knew something important about Fisk's operations was already on FBI's hands, so the location of those safehouses was most likely compromised as well. Fisk's own apartment was shown as being top secret (Madame Gao getting there was treated as a big thing), so the fact that the FBI eventually got there makes it clear that Fisk and Vanessa had absolutely nowhere to go within the city.
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** Even if Fisk is busy arranging for everything, it doesn't explain why he has to do it in an apartment that the FBI can trace back to him? Why can't he and Vanessa hide in an abandoned warehouse or something? Based on previous episodes, there seems to be a an abundance of those kind of places available for shady meetings and such. That way the cops might never have found Fisk before he and Vanessa were ready get into that helicopter, so the dangerous escape from the police carriage could've been avoided altogether.
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** Even if Fisk is busy arranging for everything, it doesn't explain why he has to do it in an apartment that which the FBI can trace back to him? Why can't he and Vanessa hide in an abandoned warehouse or something? Based on previous episodes, there seems to be a an abundance of those kind of places available for shady meetings and such. That way the cops might never have found Fisk before he and Vanessa were ready get into that helicopter, so the dangerous escape from the police carriage could've been avoided altogether.
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** Even if Fisk is busy arranging for everything, it doesn't explain why he has to do it in an apartment that the FBI can trace back to him? Why can't he and Vanessa hide in an abandoned warehouse or something? Based on previous episodes, there seems to be a an abundance of those kind of places available to have shady meetings in. That way the cops might never have found Fisk before he and Vanessa were ready get into that helicopter, so the dangerous escape from the police carriage could've been avoided altogether.
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** Even if Fisk is busy arranging for everything, it doesn't explain why he has to do it in an apartment that the FBI can trace back to him? Why can't he and Vanessa hide out in an abandoned warehouse or something? Based on previous episodes, there seems to be an abundance of those available to have shady meetings in. That way the cops might never have found Fisk before he and Vanessa were ready get into that helicopter, so the dangerous escape from the police carriage could've been avoided altogether.
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** Even if Fisk is busy arranging for everything, it doesn't explain why he has to do it in an apartment that the FBI can trace back to him? Why can't he and Vanessa hide out in an abandoned warehouse or something? Based on previous episodes, there seems to be a an abundance of those kind of places available to have shady meetings in. That way the cops might never have found Fisk before he and Vanessa were ready get into that helicopter, so the dangerous escape from the police carriage could've been avoided altogether.
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** Immediately after the arrests, the next we see is Fisk on the phone saying "make the arrengements, wait for my call". It is fairly obvious that he wasn't just hanging at home, but desperately setting up a full escape plan, that would put both him and Vanessa outside the reach of the US law enforcement agents. Running away in one of the vans would have served him very little. And like the other troper mentiones, there is also the factor of Wesley not being around, which made things more difficult to set up.
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** Even if Fisk is busy arranging for everything, it doesn't explain why he has to do it in an apartment that the FBI can trace back to him? Why can't he and Vanessa hide out in an abandoned warehouse or something? Based on previous episodes, there seems to be an abundance of those available to have shady meetings in. That way the cops might never have found Fisk before he and Vanessa were ready get into that helicopter, so the dangerous escape from the police carriage could've been avoided altogether.
** Even if Fisk is busy arranging for everything, it doesn't explain why he has to do it in an apartment that the FBI can trace back to him? Why can't he and Vanessa hide out in an abandoned warehouse or something? Based on previous episodes, there seems to be an abundance of those available to have shady meetings in. That way the cops might never have found Fisk before he and Vanessa were ready get into that helicopter, so the dangerous escape from the police carriage could've been avoided altogether.
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** Law schools do have housing and they do offer language courses since being able to fluently communicate with a client is a big deal. So they did their undergrad before, spent 3 years at law school, took the bar, and interned for a year until around fall of 2014 just before the series begins.
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** Fisk makes sure the police and politicians do not bother them. As they mention several times. Fisk controls the police and he even cleaned the docks for Nobu and his men when they asked it. As for the Japanese, it's implied that Fisk fears them and do not want to have them against him. Even Wesley is confused as to why the japanese are important.
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** Fisk makes sure the police and politicians do not bother them. As they mention several times. times, Fisk controls the police and he even cleaned the docks for Nobu and his men when they asked it.it, and that's a very useful asset. As for the Japanese, it's implied that Fisk fears them and do not want to have them against him. Even Wesley is confused as to why the japanese are important.
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** Fisk makes sure the police and politicians do not bother them. As they mention several times. Fisk controls the police and he even cleaned the docks for Nobu and his men when they asked it. As for the Japanese, it's implied that Fisk fears them and do not want to have them against him. Even Wesley is confused as to why the japanese are important.
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* In the flashbacks in "Nelson v Murdock," we meet Matt and Foggy in law school. It has to be law school since Foggy's registering for Fall 2010 classes, the show's present day scenes are in winter 2014 (the first episode says it's been two years since The Battle of New York, which Marvel has said was in 2012). There's no way they did undergrad in 2010, law school, interned at Landmann and Zack, and passed the bar in four years. So, why then are they taking language classes and living in dorms? Is that a thing in law school? Is the dorm situation because of Columbia University's housing situation/the housing market in NYC?
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* In the flashbacks in "Nelson v Murdock," we meet Matt and Foggy in law school. It has to be law school since Foggy's registering for Fall 2010 classes, the show's present day scenes are in winter 2014 (the first episode says it's been two years since The Battle of New York, which Marvel has said was in 2012). There's no way they did undergrad in 2010, law school, interned at Landmann and Zack, and passed the bar in four years. So, why then are they taking language classes and living in dorms? Is that a thing in law school? Is the dorm situation because of Columbia University's housing situation/the housing market in NYC?
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* I'm somewhat lost at how Fisk's syndicate works. Gao supplies the heroin and the Russians distribute it, find. Owsley handles/launders the money. Okay. What do the Japanese provide? And what is Fisk doing? If he's just the middle man, that can't work, because the other three are subservient to him. So he clearly has to have an established power base and money network. What do they all get from working under him? And with that, okay, Fisk's plan is to buy up Hell's Kitchen and rebuild it in both a better way, and a way that he profits from, through Union Allied and the other company he runs. He's funding this through heroin deals? What exactly is he up to?
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* I'm somewhat lost at how Fisk's syndicate works. Gao supplies the heroin and the Russians distribute it, find. Owsley handles/launders the money. Okay. What do the Japanese provide? And what is Fisk doing? If he's just the middle man, that can't work, because the other three are subservient to him. So he clearly has to have an established power base and money network. What do they all get from working under him? And with that, okay, Fisk's plan is to buy up Hell's Kitchen and rebuild it in both a better way, and a way that he profits from, through Union Allied and the other company he runs. He's funding this through heroin deals? What exactly is he up to?
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** By the time Matt left, Nobu was still alive, as evidenced by Wesley asking Fisk what to do with him. Matt would have easily been able to tell, and Nobu's weird physiology meant that it would take the fire a while to kill him. So either he's blaming Fisk for not putting him out (and preventing Matt from putting him out), or he's assuming that Nobu survived somehow. Note that in later conversations with Foggy, he's still referring to Nobu in the present tense.
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** He wanted to speak to Vanessa, and make sure she could get out. There's a ''reason'' the others see her as his weak point--because she is. Also remember that with Wesley gone, Fisk's planning abilities are severely truncated. If Wesley was still alive, Fisk could have trusted him to get Vanessa to safety while he went another way, and they'd meet up before the end of the night. But without him, Fisk needed to see to her safety personally, which cost him.
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Ok, at the end of the fight with Nobu, Matt notices that he is doused in gas, Nobu throws his weapon, Matt grabs it and throws it at the lightbulb above Nobu, causing sparks to fly and for a Japanese BBQ to ensue.
Why is the point that Matt killed a man never addressed in any way after the fact? I know the circumstance of the killing is considerably less grave, considering it was self-defense instead of killing in cold blood, but he still killed somebody while wearing the mask. Matt's fear of taking a life in the name of justice was a pretty big plot point during the series, so I expected that there would be another confession scene with the priest, but nope, Matt seems to be pretty okay with it. Dunno, found that a bit odd.
Why is the point that Matt killed a man never addressed in any way after the fact? I know the circumstance of the killing is considerably less grave, considering it was self-defense instead of killing in cold blood, but he still killed somebody while wearing the mask. Matt's fear of taking a life in the name of justice was a pretty big plot point during the series, so I expected that there would be another confession scene with the priest, but nope, Matt seems to be pretty okay with it. Dunno, found that a bit odd.
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ensue. Why is the point that Matt killed a man never addressed in any way after the fact? I know the circumstance of the killing is considerably less grave, considering it was self-defense instead of killing in cold blood, but he still killed somebody while wearing the mask. Matt's fear of taking a life in the name of justice was a pretty big plot point during the series, so I expected that there would be another confession scene with the priest, but nope, Matt seems to be pretty okay with it. Dunno, found that a bit odd. \n
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Ok, at the end of the fight with Nobu, Matt notices that he is doused in gas, Nobu throws his weapon, Matt grabs it and throws it at the lightbulb above Nobu, causing sparks to fly and for a Japanese BBQ to ensue.
Why is the point that Matt killed a man never addressed in any way after the fact? I know the circumstance of the killing is considerably less grave, considering it was self-defense instead of killing in cold blood, but he still killed somebody while wearing the mask. Matt's fear of taking a life in the name of justice was a pretty big plot point during the series, so I expected that there would be another confession scene with the priest, but nope, Matt seems to be pretty okay with it. Dunno, found that a bit odd.
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** Who said it doesn't have eye holes? [[http://www.newsarama.com/24070-netflix-reveals-daredevil-s-red-costume.html Case in point.]] Further, the promotional artwork, like [[http://herocomplex.latimes.com/tv/daredevil-see-charlie-cox-don-the-red-costume-in-new-netflix-image/ this example]], suggests reflective pieces. All of that suggests, to me, standard eye-pieces in standard eye holes. That makes sense for keeping part of the secret--that the man beneath the mask doesn't ''need'' them.
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