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** She didn't even drop the whole job, just the field work. Hotch's suggestion was that she split the job; take on JJ's responsibility for finding cases, but leave liaising with the media to someone else. Not because she wasn't good at it, but because it was simply too much for her to handle on top of her usual job as Tech Goddess.
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* What exactly did the Reaper do to Hotch besides stab him about a million times? The first time I saw that scene I thought that Foyet's creepy dialogue about not being impotent followed by Hotch gasping in pain (and presumably fear) meant Foyet raped him, but it wasn't mentioned and so I assumed he just stabbed him again after he said that and I have my mind in the gutter. Then someone on this wiki mentioned that Hotch was "attacked, stabbed over and over and over again, and possibly raped by the psychotic Reaper" and I knew I was not the only one who got that impression. Can someone please tell me what the hell that scene was about and if Hotch was raped why has no one on the show ever said a single word about it? I mean I know Hotch probably would not want to talk about it but come on, if any show on the air besides SVU is going to take on male-on-male rape in a serious manner it's going to be Criminal Minds.

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* What exactly did the Reaper do to Hotch besides stab him about a million times? The first time I saw that scene I thought that Foyet's creepy dialogue about not being impotent followed by Hotch gasping in pain (and presumably fear) meant Foyet raped him, but it wasn't mentioned and so I assumed he just stabbed him again after he said that and I have my mind in the gutter. Then someone on this wiki mentioned that Hotch was "attacked, stabbed over and over and over again, and possibly raped by the psychotic Reaper" and I knew I was not the only one who got that impression. Can someone please tell me what the hell that scene was about and if Hotch was raped why has no one on the show ever said a single word about it? I mean I know Hotch probably would not want to talk about it but come on, if any show on the air besides SVU is going to take on male-on-male rape in a serious manner it's going to be Criminal Minds.Minds.
**In my opinion, I don't think Hotch was raped literally on the show. I think it's more of a metaphorical violation, which Foyet invading Hotch's sanctuary and stabbing him multiple times. The sexual undertones do make it sound like a rape scene, but rape is not part of the Reaper's MO. The rape of Hotch is just a fan theory. The show never says anything about Hotch being raped, and Hotch being stabbed multiple times is terrifying enough.
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* In the same episode, Hotch tells Morgan and Prentiss to assist Garcia. Morgan asks Hotch in manner that suggested he was annoyed about it why that is necessary. After Hotch explains, Morgan goes into Garcia's office, gives a rather fake "pep talk" and then leaves WITHOUT HELPING HER! Morgan's attitude and actions were inconsistent w/ his previous actions and really seemed to undercut the believability of his and Garcia's friendship.

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* In the same episode, Hotch tells Morgan and Prentiss to assist Garcia. Morgan asks Hotch in manner that suggested he was annoyed about it why that is necessary. After Hotch explains, Morgan goes into Garcia's office, gives a rather fake "pep talk" and then leaves WITHOUT HELPING HER! Morgan's attitude and actions were inconsistent w/ his previous actions and really seemed to undercut the believability of his and Garcia's friendship.friendship.
* What exactly did the Reaper do to Hotch besides stab him about a million times? The first time I saw that scene I thought that Foyet's creepy dialogue about not being impotent followed by Hotch gasping in pain (and presumably fear) meant Foyet raped him, but it wasn't mentioned and so I assumed he just stabbed him again after he said that and I have my mind in the gutter. Then someone on this wiki mentioned that Hotch was "attacked, stabbed over and over and over again, and possibly raped by the psychotic Reaper" and I knew I was not the only one who got that impression. Can someone please tell me what the hell that scene was about and if Hotch was raped why has no one on the show ever said a single word about it? I mean I know Hotch probably would not want to talk about it but come on, if any show on the air besides SVU is going to take on male-on-male rape in a serious manner it's going to be Criminal Minds.
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** Hotch was actually giving her the chance to go back to doing what she was comfortable with. She might've been good at it, but she didn't like it. Hotch "demoting" her was letting her know that she wasn't obligated to stay in a position she didn't really enjoy. Especially since the "promotion" was more of a stop-gap and not anything official.
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**** Except Hotch has always been shown to be a good father when he's interacting with Jack. His time away from him is the only ink stain on their whole relationship (besides the job being more or less responsible for his mommy dying).
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*** On some level, Hotch could have been convinced by Foyet and the events that he ''isn't'' a fit father, and that the more he associates with his son, the more of a chance that Jack could be killed like Haley. That's not a fear that quitting the BAU would solve.
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* Aaron Hotchner. At first he comes across as a big deconstruction of MarriedToTheJob: his wife divorces him due to all his traveling and his relationship with his son is rather strained. He even has to be told by Morgan that it's ok to break protocol to warn them about a terrorist attack they might be caught in. Things finally come to a head when the Reaper attacks him, forcing his wife & son into protective custody, during which Rossi gives him a speech about how family always comes first at the end of a later episode. Finally, the Reaper kills his wife and now he's at the point where he sees just how much his family has suffered for his job. So what does he do? Pawn the son off to his aunt to raise. Seriously? What kind of childhood is Jack going to have with an absent father figure?

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* Aaron Hotchner. At first he comes across as a big deconstruction of MarriedToTheJob: his wife divorces him due to all his traveling and his relationship with his son is rather strained. He even has to be told by Morgan that it's ok to break protocol to warn them about a terrorist attack they might be caught in. Things finally come to a head when the Reaper attacks him, forcing his wife & son into protective custody, during which Rossi gives him a speech about how family always comes first at the end of a later episode. Finally, the Reaper kills his wife and now he's at the point where he sees just how much his family has suffered for his job. So what does he do? Pawn the son off to his aunt to raise. Seriously? What kind of childhood is Jack going to have with an absent father figure?figure?
** Yeah that was done rather poorly. If his family was truly his priority, then Jack would have come first.
* Here's one: In a recent episode,Garcia was "promoted" into JJ's former position and while she was initially shown to be quite good at it (and changed her attire to something more professional for once) she made several minor mistakes and was told by Hotch that she should do what she is good at and basically moved back "down" to her old job. Sooo..you only get one shot at the BAU and if you don't perform far above average or excellent, you go back to the minors? And what about crosstraining people to fill unexpected gaps in the roster?
* In the same episode, Hotch tells Morgan and Prentiss to assist Garcia. Morgan asks Hotch in manner that suggested he was annoyed about it why that is necessary. After Hotch explains, Morgan goes into Garcia's office, gives a rather fake "pep talk" and then leaves WITHOUT HELPING HER! Morgan's attitude and actions were inconsistent w/ his previous actions and really seemed to undercut the believability of his and Garcia's friendship.
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* Why aren't any of the BAU members amazed by the staggering number of serial killers that they have faced/arrested/killed throughout the series' run? Given that two shows were about terrorists,one show was them assisting in Guantanamo interrogation and one was about CIA mole hunt,they have encountered more than 100 killers in the history of the show. And no one is shown being amazed (or even mildly surprised) by this number.

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* Why aren't any of the BAU members amazed by the staggering number of serial killers that they have faced/arrested/killed throughout the series' run? Given that two shows were about terrorists,one show was them assisting in Guantanamo interrogation and one was about CIA mole hunt,they have encountered more than 100 killers in the history of the show. And no one is shown being amazed (or even mildly surprised) by this number.number.
* Aaron Hotchner. At first he comes across as a big deconstruction of MarriedToTheJob: his wife divorces him due to all his traveling and his relationship with his son is rather strained. He even has to be told by Morgan that it's ok to break protocol to warn them about a terrorist attack they might be caught in. Things finally come to a head when the Reaper attacks him, forcing his wife & son into protective custody, during which Rossi gives him a speech about how family always comes first at the end of a later episode. Finally, the Reaper kills his wife and now he's at the point where he sees just how much his family has suffered for his job. So what does he do? Pawn the son off to his aunt to raise. Seriously? What kind of childhood is Jack going to have with an absent father figure?
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*** And for at least some of them, the fact that the body will be found is part of their deal. It wouldn't feel right for them otherwise.

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*** And for at least some of them, the fact that the body will be found is part of their deal. It wouldn't feel right for them otherwise.otherwise.
* Why aren't any of the BAU members amazed by the staggering number of serial killers that they have faced/arrested/killed throughout the series' run? Given that two shows were about terrorists,one show was them assisting in Guantanamo interrogation and one was about CIA mole hunt,they have encountered more than 100 killers in the history of the show. And no one is shown being amazed (or even mildly surprised) by this number.

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* Given that the show portrays most of its killers being of above average to genius levels of intelligence and knowing of advances in DNA technology,information sharing and data mining as well as criminology,why would the majority of them use body disposal methods from the 1960's-1970's?
Leaving multiple bodies out in the open to be quickly discovered is almost a sure-fire way to be detected and caught and yet most of these killers still shown to be doing it on this program.


** [[HumansAreStupid Long live denial!]]

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* Given that the show portrays most of its killers being of above average to genius levels of intelligence and knowing of advances in DNA technology,information sharing and data mining as well as criminology,why would the majority of them use body disposal methods from the 1960's-1970's?
1960's-1970's? Leaving multiple bodies out in the open to be quickly discovered is almost a sure-fire way to be detected and caught and yet most of these killers still shown to be doing it on this program.


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** [[HumansAreStupid Long live denial!]]denial!]]
*** And for at least some of them, the fact that the body will be found is part of their deal. It wouldn't feel right for them otherwise.
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* Given that the show portrays most of its killers being of above average to genius levels of intelligence and knowing of advances in DNA technology,information sharing and data mining as well as criminology,why would the majority of them use body disposal methods from the 1960's-1970's?
Leaving multiple bodies out in the open to be quickly discovered is almost a sure-fire way to be detected and caught and yet most of these killers still shown to be doing it on this program.

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** I'd say lapsed character judgement. It's been a while, so correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't she incredibly flattered/astonished when he asks her out? Which means that she would probably be able to completely ignore whatever her gut/friends/personal experience and training tells her because she so desperately wants to belive that he is just a nice guy who happens to like her. I think just about anyone in her situtation would do the same; denial is a human trait.

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** I'd say lapsed character judgement. It's been a while, so correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't she incredibly flattered/astonished when he asks her out? Which means that she would probably be able to completely ignore whatever her gut/friends/personal experience and training tells her because she so desperately wants to belive that he is just a nice guy who happens to like her. I think just about anyone in her situtation would do the same; denial is a human trait.trait.
** [[HumansAreStupid Long live denial!]]
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** That may be true. However, the language, devotion, and attentive care evident in their communications (blog posts) was said to be consistent with a deep-seated romantic attachment with obsessive overtones. It's not really their actions in the space of the episode that the BAU is basing their assessment on, but the evidence of their past relationship and how it was built up. It'd all probably amount to a bit more NoYay than anything else, though, considering how twisted and squicky their relationship was.
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** I agree that it's a bit of a double-standard, but a lot of the psychology behind victims of a violent crime (be it either sexual or physical) is that they are helpless and violated, with their sense of personal security taken away and their entire world view skewed and distorted by such a horrific trauma. As this episode leaned ''heavily'' on that (helplessness, violation, loss of security etc. etc.) I think Prentiss just wanted to imbue in this unsub the same feelings and terror that his victims felt (substituting a more literal "violation"). Meh, that's just an opinion (praise be to the JustBugsMe page).
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***Most likely, but there have been another reason too-- Prentiss's resemblance to the victimology (brunette professional women). I was also very surprised it was not directly addressed in this episode. Perhaps that's also another reason for her chewing the unsub out--making him feel powerless under his choice of victim.
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*** Just rewatched this scene myself and I feel the same way. Also, she makes it clear at least twice earlier in the episode that she finds it reprehensible that the UnSub takes away the victims' feeling of security in their own home... seems very personal to her. I do agree that it seems very atypical for this show... but were they maybe trying to show us that even BAU members are human and prone to visceral, irrational reactions?
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** I'd say lapsed character judgement. It's been a while, so correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't she incredibly flattered/astonished when he asks her out? Which means that she would probably be able to completely ignore whatever her gut/friends/personal experience and training tells her because she so desperately wanted to belive that he was just a nice guy who happened to like her. I think just about anyone in her situtation would do the same; denial is a human trait.

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** I'd say lapsed character judgement. It's been a while, so correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't she incredibly flattered/astonished when he asks her out? Which means that she would probably be able to completely ignore whatever her gut/friends/personal experience and training tells her because she so desperately wanted wants to belive that he was is just a nice guy who happened happens to like her. I think just about anyone in her situtation would do the same; denial is a human trait.

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* For "Lucky," since Penelope Garcia is the Techno Queen, you would think that she would have done a background check on her beau {spoiler: *cough*shooter*cough*], but no, she ignores Morgan's warnings and goes off to the date anyway. Idiot Ball, or a case of Lasped character judgment? You decide.

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* For "Lucky," since Penelope Garcia is the Techno Queen, you would think that she would have done a background check on her beau {spoiler: *cough*shooter*cough*], [[spoiler: *cough*shooter*cough*]], but no, she ignores Morgan's warnings and goes off to the date anyway. Idiot Ball, or a case of Lasped Lapsed character judgment? judgement? You decide.decide.
** I'd say lapsed character judgement. It's been a while, so correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't she incredibly flattered/astonished when he asks her out? Which means that she would probably be able to completely ignore whatever her gut/friends/personal experience and training tells her because she so desperately wanted to belive that he was just a nice guy who happened to like her. I think just about anyone in her situtation would do the same; denial is a human trait.
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**This Troper sees Prentiss's taunt more as a release for the stress and anger that built up inside her from previous episodes ("Outfoxed" "100") and she just let it rip to get it out of her system.
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*** Don't forget that Reid is talking to other LEOs who are much older than him, so he's probably trying to relate to their perception. Also, Reid himself has always been called "a kid" by almost everyone, so it's not unreasonable for him to call Ryan a "kid" too because they're in the same age group (late twenties).

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*** Don't forget that Reid is talking to other LEOs who are much older than him, so he's probably trying to relate to their perception. Also, Reid himself has always been called "a kid" by almost everyone, so it's not unreasonable for him to call Ryan a "kid" too because they're in the same age group (late twenties).twenties).

*For "Lucky," since Penelope Garcia is the Techno Queen, you would think that she would have done a background check on her beau {spoiler: *cough*shooter*cough*], but no, she ignores Morgan's warnings and goes off to the date anyway. Idiot Ball, or a case of Lasped character judgment? You decide.
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** I will give you the first part, that does seem odd. But as for Reid calling someone older than him a "kid", it may not be that strange. From my own experience, I graduated from high school and college early, and have a habit of doing this myself... it's a side effect of spending most of your time around people who are far older than you, you tend to feel more assimilated with them, than with others around your own age.

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** I will give you the first part, that does seem odd. But as for Reid calling someone older than him a "kid", it may not be that strange. From my own experience, I graduated from high school and college early, and have a habit of doing this myself... it's a side effect of spending most of your time around people who are far older than you, you tend to feel more assimilated with them, than with others around your own age.age.
***Don't forget that Reid is talking to other LEOs who are much older than him, so he's probably trying to relate to their perception. Also, Reid himself has always been called "a kid" by almost everyone, so it's not unreasonable for him to call Ryan a "kid" too because they're in the same age group (late twenties).
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** I will give you the first part, that does seem odd. But as for Reid calling someone older than him a "kid", it may not be that strange. From my own experience, I graduated from high school and college early, and have a habit of doing this myself... it's a side effect of spending most of your time around people who are far older than you, you tend to feel more assimilated with them, than others your own age.

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** I will give you the first part, that does seem odd. But as for Reid calling someone older than him a "kid", it may not be that strange. From my own experience, I graduated from high school and college early, and have a habit of doing this myself... it's a side effect of spending most of your time around people who are far older than you, you tend to feel more assimilated with them, than with others around your own age.
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* Ryan, the main unsub in "3rd Life", was said to be 28... this just seems way too damn old, considering how everyone calls him "a kid" and "a boy", and nobody found it odd how he was always hanging out with high schoolers (the victim, also a high schooler, apparently had a crush on him as well). Reid even calls him a kid in "Elephant's Memory", even though Ryan was older than he was (Reid mentions he had just turned 27 in "Masterpiece", a season later).

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* Ryan, the main unsub in "3rd Life", was said to be 28... this just seems way too damn old, considering how everyone calls him "a kid" and "a boy", and nobody found it odd how he was always hanging out with high schoolers (the victim, also a high schooler, apparently had a crush on him as well). Reid even calls him a kid in "Elephant's Memory", even though Ryan was older than he was (Reid mentions he had just turned 27 in "Masterpiece", a season later).later).
** I will give you the first part, that does seem odd. But as for Reid calling someone older than him a "kid", it may not be that strange. From my own experience, I graduated from high school and college early, and have a habit of doing this myself... it's a side effect of spending most of your time around people who are far older than you, you tend to feel more assimilated with them, than others your own age.
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* Ryan, the main unsub in "3rd Life", was said to be 28... this just seems way too damn old, considering how everyone calls him "a kid" and "a boy", and nobody found it odd how he was always hanging out with high schoolers (the victim, also a high schooler, apparently had a crush on him as well). Reid even calls him a kid in "Elephant's Memory", even though Ryan was older than he was (Reid mentions he had just turned 27 in "Masterpiece").

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* Ryan, the main unsub in "3rd Life", was said to be 28... this just seems way too damn old, considering how everyone calls him "a kid" and "a boy", and nobody found it odd how he was always hanging out with high schoolers (the victim, also a high schooler, apparently had a crush on him as well). Reid even calls him a kid in "Elephant's Memory", even though Ryan was older than he was (Reid mentions he had just turned 27 in "Masterpiece")."Masterpiece", a season later).
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* Ryan, the main unsub in "3rd Life", was said to be 28... this just seems way too damn old, considering how everyone calls him "a kid" and "a boy", nobody found it odd how he was always hanging out with high schoolers (the victim, also a high schooler, apparently had a crush on him as well). Reid even calls him a kid in "Elephant's Memory", even though Ryan was older than he was (Reid mentions he had just turned 27 in "Masterpiece").

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* Ryan, the main unsub in "3rd Life", was said to be 28... this just seems way too damn old, considering how everyone calls him "a kid" and "a boy", and nobody found it odd how he was always hanging out with high schoolers (the victim, also a high schooler, apparently had a crush on him as well). Reid even calls him a kid in "Elephant's Memory", even though Ryan was older than he was (Reid mentions he had just turned 27 in "Masterpiece").
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* Ryan, the main unsub in "3rd Life", was said to be 28... this just seems way too damn old, considering how everyone calls him "a kid" and "a boy", and nobody found it odd how he was always hanging out with high school kids. Reid even calls him a kid in "Elephant's Memory", even though Ryan was older than he was (Reid mentions he had just turned 27 in "Masterpiece").

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* Ryan, the main unsub in "3rd Life", was said to be 28... this just seems way too damn old, considering how everyone calls him "a kid" and "a boy", and nobody found it odd how he was always hanging out with high school kids.schoolers (the victim, also a high schooler, apparently had a crush on him as well). Reid even calls him a kid in "Elephant's Memory", even though Ryan was older than he was (Reid mentions he had just turned 27 in "Masterpiece").
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* What was the relationship between the unsubs in "Soul Mates", really? I'd say it was blatant, but then again, there were other reasons pointed out for them acting the way they did - they protected each other but then if they didn't adequately they'd both be screwed, they were concealing hints or signals to each other on their hidden blog posts, etc. So they had a bit of an unspoken UndyingLoyalty thing going on and what would probably qualify as HoYay if it wasn't romantic, but you don't have to be in love with someone for that.

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* What was the relationship between the unsubs in "Soul Mates", really? I'd say it was blatant, but then again, there were other reasons pointed out for them acting the way they did - they protected each other but then if they didn't adequately they'd both be screwed, they were concealing hints or signals to each other on their hidden blog posts, etc. So they had a bit of an unspoken UndyingLoyalty thing going on and what would probably qualify as HoYay if it wasn't romantic, but you don't have to be in love with someone for that.that.

* Ryan, the main unsub in "3rd Life", was said to be 28... this just seems way too damn old, considering how everyone calls him "a kid" and "a boy", and nobody found it odd how he was always hanging out with high school kids. Reid even calls him a kid in "Elephant's Memory", even though Ryan was older than he was (Reid mentions he had just turned 27 in "Masterpiece").
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** He was probably just screwing with Morgan, or being snarky, since both García and Gómez are ''last'' names.

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** He was probably just screwing with Morgan, or being snarky, since both García and Gómez are ''last'' names.
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** He was probably just screwing with Morgan, or being snarky, since both García and Gómez are ''last'' names.
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* In "Tabula Rasa", in flashback, Morgan asks Reid what Garcia's name is. Reid says "Gomez, I think". Reid's supposed to have an eidetic memory! I know it applies more to stuff that he reads, not hears, but he presumably only heard it a little while ago. Was he intentionally screwing with Morgan? Because that doesn't seem like the sort of thing he would do.

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* In "Tabula Rasa", in flashback, Morgan asks Reid what Garcia's name is. Reid says "Gomez, I think". Reid's supposed to have an eidetic memory! I know it applies more to stuff that he reads, not hears, but he presumably only heard it a little while ago. Was he intentionally screwing with Morgan? Because that doesn't seem like the sort of thing he would do.do.
** Maybe was only verbally told and didn't hear clearly? Ehh-hh.

* What was the relationship between the unsubs in "Soul Mates", really? I'd say it was blatant, but then again, there were other reasons pointed out for them acting the way they did - they protected each other but then if they didn't adequately they'd both be screwed, they were concealing hints or signals to each other on their hidden blog posts, etc. So they had a bit of an unspoken UndyingLoyalty thing going on and what would probably qualify as HoYay if it wasn't romantic, but you don't have to be in love with someone for that.

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