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*** What are you talking about? I remember them perfectly. What does the comic not having a story at the time have to do with whether or not I remember them? I thought bringing them back was an awesome BrickJoke.
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** The writer has brought back the five guys from comics 6 and 7. Remember them? Of course you don't, the comic didn't even have a story when they were introduced. But there we have it, the all male "voyeur squad" apparently provides a valuable service for the Association.
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** Any person who actually consents to the kind of stuff in C6 being done to them in the real world is well on their way to a Darwin Award.
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** Any person who actually consents to the kind of stuff in C6 being done to them in the real world is well on their way to a Darwin Award.Award.
** Really? You think they're going to read about the psychic powers, the city/county sized governments consisting entirely of fetishists, 24/7 fetish gear, and stadiums full of people showing up for spanking matches and say to themselves "well this seems realistic"?
** Really? You think they're going to read about the psychic powers, the city/county sized governments consisting entirely of fetishists, 24/7 fetish gear, and stadiums full of people showing up for spanking matches and say to themselves "well this seems realistic"?
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*** Except that this term is used in the community to mean the phycological headspace that Subs enter. While this may be ahint for some, the target audience would be all at sea...
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** You guys should really pay attention as sub-space was hinted at as soon as page 30. So why would introducing other magical powers when the main character suffers from amnesia (and therefore would have no idea about them) be such a problem?
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* ItJustBugsMe that someone has taken yet another of my silly pastimes and turned it into a terrible webcomic. I guess it was bound to happen now that video gaming web comics are a dead breed. Looking forward to seeing the terrible webcomic about riding boats.* Silly pastimes? It bugs me that, with all the misinformation and alternative viewpoints on what BDSM is, what's acceptable, what isn't and so on, there is an exceptionally good chance some poor soul is going to read this awful, awful comic and think this is how BDSM in the real world works.
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* ItJustBugsMe that someone has taken yet another of my silly pastimes and turned it into a terrible webcomic. I guess it was bound to happen now that video gaming web comics are a dead breed. Looking forward to seeing the terrible webcomic about riding boats.* Silly boats.
*Silly pastimes? It bugs me that, with all the misinformation and alternative viewpoints on what BDSM is, what's acceptable, what isn't and so on, there is an exceptionally good chance some poor soul is going to read this awful, awful comic and think this is how BDSM in the real worldworks.works.
**Any person who actually consents to the kind of stuff in C6 being done to them in the real world is well on their way to a Darwin Award.
*Silly pastimes? It bugs me that, with all the misinformation and alternative viewpoints on what BDSM is, what's acceptable, what isn't and so on, there is an exceptionally good chance some poor soul is going to read this awful, awful comic and think this is how BDSM in the real world
**Any person who actually consents to the kind of stuff in C6 being done to them in the real world is well on their way to a Darwin Award.
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* ItJustBugsMe that someone has taken yet another of my silly pastimes and turned it into a terrible webcomic. I guess it was bound to happen now that video gaming web comics are a dead breed. Looking forward to seeing the terrible webcomic about riding boats.* Silly pastimes? It bugs me that, with all the misinformation and alternative viewpoints on what BDSM is, what's acceptable, what isn't and so on, there is an exceptionally good chance some poor soul is going to read this awful, awful comic and think this is how BDSM in the real world works.
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***** We don't have to assume it's totalitarian. Laura appears to have rather severe amnesia. She doesn't even remember that she doesn't know where she's from except that its from outside Association territories.
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*** I suppose part of the reason it bugs me is that there is a perfectly good word for this relationship, it is called serfdom.
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*** I suppose part of the reason it bugs me is that there is a perfectly good word for this relationship, it is called serfdom.serfdom.
* ItJustBugsMe that someone has taken yet another of my silly pastimes and turned it into a terrible webcomic. I guess it was bound to happen now that video gaming web comics are a dead breed. Looking forward to seeing the terrible webcomic about riding boats.
* ItJustBugsMe that someone has taken yet another of my silly pastimes and turned it into a terrible webcomic. I guess it was bound to happen now that video gaming web comics are a dead breed. Looking forward to seeing the terrible webcomic about riding boats.
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****** 1) She is an immigrant and so it is unlikely that we are dealing with a totalitarian state here. She is not a refugee, an immigrant. If she were a refuge then it would have been a hell of a lot more of an issue when it was brought up. 2) Given the nature of this nation the modern frickin' USA is puritanical. Is the modern USA totalitarian? Hardly. And just because someone has high standards about sexual content in public does not make them totalitarian, just look at the UK, cradle of modern democracy. Puritan (as commonly used rather than as originally meant) is an antonym for Hedonist, a person who believes that personal pleasure is the only intrinsic good or, to put it another way, life is about pleasure '''and only pleasure'''. A puritan by that definition is a person who believes in denying themselves pleasure which would include almost everyone in our world if viewed through the eyes of the characters in this story. (As originally meant Puritans where the Christians who followed in the wake of Martian Luther, attacking excess, waste and corruption in the church and society at large. They were a broad bunch but typically on the liberal end of the then political scale disagreeing with the lavish ceremony and heavy taxation of the Roman Catholic church and aristocracy.)
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***** Given that its described as "Puritan," there's a good chance that Laura's homeland is a totalitarian state who heavily censor information. It's doubtful that they'd want the people to know about dominant and submissive spirits.
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** Actually, the word originally just meant the place that the women lived in in the Islamic world. But, since foreign men weren't allowed in there, Westerners let their fantasies run wild, hence the modern meaning.
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** Sure it's peculiar but it isn't an uncommon part of BDSM fantasy. The dominant less as a sadistic slave owner and more as doting pet owner (or parent if that's your fetish) who goes to great lengths to protect the submissive. It's also much more amenable to story telling.
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** Sure it's peculiar but it isn't an uncommon part of BDSM fantasy. The dominant less as a sadistic slave owner and more as doting pet owner (or parent if that's your fetish) who goes to great lengths to protect the submissive. It's also much more amenable to story telling.telling.
*** I suppose part of the reason it bugs me is that there is a perfectly good word for this relationship, it is called serfdom.
*** I suppose part of the reason it bugs me is that there is a perfectly good word for this relationship, it is called serfdom.
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* What kind of slavery includes contracts and pay cheques? I am fairly certain after that point it has ceased to be slavery. This is more of a bug in terms of the fact that it changes the whole linguistic dynamic of the word "slave" or "property" (as applied to people) making the social dynamic peculiar.
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* What kind of slavery includes contracts and pay cheques? I am fairly certain after that point it has ceased to be slavery. This is more of a bug in terms of the fact that it changes the whole linguistic dynamic of the word "slave" or "property" (as applied to people) making the social dynamic peculiar.peculiar.
** Sure it's peculiar but it isn't an uncommon part of BDSM fantasy. The dominant less as a sadistic slave owner and more as doting pet owner (or parent if that's your fetish) who goes to great lengths to protect the submissive. It's also much more amenable to story telling.
** Sure it's peculiar but it isn't an uncommon part of BDSM fantasy. The dominant less as a sadistic slave owner and more as doting pet owner (or parent if that's your fetish) who goes to great lengths to protect the submissive. It's also much more amenable to story telling.
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* What sort of ratio of Doms to Subs are we looking at here? A Harem of hundreds? Really? So why are the majority of the people in this world so willing to hand over control of their lives? Even if we accept that BDSM is just massively more popular in this world
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* What sort of ratio of Doms to Subs are we looking at here? A Harem of hundreds? Really? So why are the majority of the people in this world so willing to hand over control of their lives? Even if we accept that BDSM is just massively more popular in this world or that usual life just has BDSM trappings (which jars with the earlier portions of the comic) then why does social power get tied to Dominance, given that the demographics for Subs is, on average, a step or two up on the socio-economic ladder. If this is meant to be real BDSM then what about all those high power people who Sub to escape the pressure of their lives or those who Dom to try and get some control in a life that people dictate to them?
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**** This seems to have been explained in that Laura is an immigrant. This raises far more questions however such as if the abilities are "common knowledge" in one nation why are the not common knowledge in others? Has the mass media died? If migration between these states is possible then how can the way that one nation functions and the true identity of one of that nations key players be utter unknowns ''to a person arriving in that nation to live?'' Are there no citizenship tests? No immigration control? Nothing?
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* It is not an assumption to think that a person in another's "Haream" "Harem" has slept with them. That is the deffinition definition of a Haream. Harem. This whole comic is full of similar sloppy word use and story telling.telling.
* What sort of ratio of Doms to Subs are we looking at here? A Harem of hundreds? Really? So why are the majority of the people in this world so willing to hand over control of their lives? Even if we accept that BDSM is just massively more popular in this world
* Come to that, where are all the Male Doms? Or all the '''men''' for that matter? I think we have had about six men in panel of which 4 have been morons in the park and two have been subs (although one of them might have been a girl). I know this is f/f D/s rubber fetishism, but it is starting to look like a LadyLand.
* What kind of slavery includes contracts and pay cheques? I am fairly certain after that point it has ceased to be slavery. This is more of a bug in terms of the fact that it changes the whole linguistic dynamic of the word "slave" or "property" (as applied to people) making the social dynamic peculiar.
* What sort of ratio of Doms to Subs are we looking at here? A Harem of hundreds? Really? So why are the majority of the people in this world so willing to hand over control of their lives? Even if we accept that BDSM is just massively more popular in this world
* Come to that, where are all the Male Doms? Or all the '''men''' for that matter? I think we have had about six men in panel of which 4 have been morons in the park and two have been subs (although one of them might have been a girl). I know this is f/f D/s rubber fetishism, but it is starting to look like a LadyLand.
* What kind of slavery includes contracts and pay cheques? I am fairly certain after that point it has ceased to be slavery. This is more of a bug in terms of the fact that it changes the whole linguistic dynamic of the word "slave" or "property" (as applied to people) making the social dynamic peculiar.
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* It is not an assumption to think that a person in another's "Haream" has slept with them. That is the deffinition of a Haream. This whole comic is full of similar sloppy word use and story telling.
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** While still a rather large AssPull [[http://collar6.com/2010/collar-6-168 this has finally been explained]]. Apparently Laura isn't from territories controlled by the Association, she would have no particular reason to know that they have magic powers. Especially given that she doesn't even seem to remember where she was born.
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Never said it was an excuse, but I thought it was clever. Being clever isn't bad writing.
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"Tropes are not bad" is not an excuse for bad writing, and even Just Bugs Me has its limits for conversation
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***** In that case this particular AssPull is clearly in the realm of TropesAreNotBad, because it makes perfect sense why Wolf did it (to emulate the style of Shonen anime).
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***** As I said, TropesAreNotBad.
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****** I'd like to point out, Sixx didn't know that Trina was there willingly. so she honestly thought they were helping Trina until they talked in Subspace.
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******Note that the 'spying' complaint was apparently based on incomplete info--the Judiciatrix specifically calls out the spying as deserving of punishment.
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*** What's "safe and sane" are clearly wildly different in this world, since it largely seems to run on anime-logic (in the real world Michelle wouldn't have survived being hit by a giant pillar of fire, and here it was more a matter of whether or not she'd break from the pain). Furthermore, people seem to be able to "consent" to giving another person alot more control, but they still do consent.
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** I think the problem is that the strip is putting the determination of what qualifies as "safe, sane, and consensual" in the hands of the ''dominant.'' Healthy BDSM relationships put that determination in the hands of the ''submissive,'' who is after all the one things are going to be done TO!
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**** Even if it's done to imitate another genre, it's still an AssPull. Besides, that seems to be about the only element being drawn from such shows. So, as far as I'm concerned, it's an AssPull. But my original point was that it was jumping the shark: I was fine with relative mundanity, I could accept a secret society, but now you're putting magic in my bondage, and that's not working. Especially since there's signs that it will all go away after the current arc.
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**** Even if it's done to imitate another genre, it's still an AssPull. Besides, that seems to be about the only element being drawn from such shows. So, as far as I'm concerned, it's an AssPull. But my original point was that it was jumping the shark: I was fine with relative mundanity, I could accept a secret society, but now you're putting magic in my bondage, and that's not working. Especially since there's signs that it will all go away after the current arc.arc.
***** As I said, TropesAreNotBad.
***** As I said, TropesAreNotBad.
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*** What fans have said that? As for the issue of it being an AssPull, that's kind of the point. This show is following the formula of a {{Shonen}} anime. Think of DragonballZ, for a long time there was no sign of KiAttacks, then Goku met Roshi and we got the Kamehameha wave. While other Shonen's did feature Ki attacks from the beginning, they still tend to have NewPowersAsThePlotDemands, such as the Tessaiga in Inuyasha, or [[{{Naruto}} Sasuke's]] rare bloodline, or any of numerous other {{Shonen Upgrade}}s, and cases of HoldingBackThePhlebotinum.
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*** What fans have said that? As for the issue of it being an AssPull, that's kind of the point. This show is following the formula of a {{Shonen}} anime. Think of DragonballZ, for a long time there was no sign of KiAttacks, then Goku met Roshi and we got the Kamehameha wave. While other Shonen's did feature Ki attacks from the beginning, they still tend to have NewPowersAsThePlotDemands, such as the Tessaiga in Inuyasha, or [[{{Naruto}} Sasuke's]] rare bloodline, or any of numerous other {{Shonen Upgrade}}s, and cases of HoldingBackThePhlebotinum.HoldingBackThePhlebotinum.
**** Even if it's done to imitate another genre, it's still an AssPull. Besides, that seems to be about the only element being drawn from such shows. So, as far as I'm concerned, it's an AssPull. But my original point was that it was jumping the shark: I was fine with relative mundanity, I could accept a secret society, but now you're putting magic in my bondage, and that's not working. Especially since there's signs that it will all go away after the current arc.
**** Even if it's done to imitate another genre, it's still an AssPull. Besides, that seems to be about the only element being drawn from such shows. So, as far as I'm concerned, it's an AssPull. But my original point was that it was jumping the shark: I was fine with relative mundanity, I could accept a secret society, but now you're putting magic in my bondage, and that's not working. Especially since there's signs that it will all go away after the current arc.
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***** In that case this particular AssPull is clearly in the realm of TropesAreNotBad, because it makes perfect sense why Wolf did it (to emulate the style of Shonen anime).
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*** What fans have said that? As for the issue of it being an AssPull, that's kind of the point. This show is following the formula of a [[Shonen]] anime. Think of [[Dragonball Z]], for a long time there was no sign of [[KiAttack Ki Attacks]], then Goku met Roshi and we got the Kamehameha wave. While other Shonen's did feature Ki attacks from the beginning, they still tend to have NewPowersAsThePlotDemands, such as the Tessaiga in Inuyasha, or [[{{Naruto}} Sasuke's]] rare bloodline, or any of numerous other ShonenUpgrades, and cases of HoldingBackThePhlebotium.
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*** What fans have said that? As for the issue of it being an AssPull, that's kind of the point. This show is following the formula of a [[Shonen]] {{Shonen}} anime. Think of [[Dragonball Z]], DragonballZ, for a long time there was no sign of [[KiAttack Ki Attacks]], KiAttacks, then Goku met Roshi and we got the Kamehameha wave. While other Shonen's did feature Ki attacks from the beginning, they still tend to have NewPowersAsThePlotDemands, such as the Tessaiga in Inuyasha, or [[{{Naruto}} Sasuke's]] rare bloodline, or any of numerous other ShonenUpgrades, {{Shonen Upgrade}}s, and cases of HoldingBackThePhlebotium.HoldingBackThePhlebotinum.
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**** Asspull. Nothing in the comic is ever set up properly and there are massive inconsistency issues with tone. Also, when anime series do it, it's an Asspull there too.
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** If it wasn't a JumpingTheShark moment for the ''comic'', it certainly was for the ''creators'' when folks started calling them out on it. Oy, the snippyness and the "It's his comic, STFU or GTFO" response from the FanDumb...
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** If it wasn't a JumpingTheShark moment for the ''comic'', it certainly was for the ''creators'' when folks started calling them out on it. Oy, the snippyness and the "It's his comic, STFU or GTFO" response from the FanDumb...FanDumb...
***What fans have said that? As for the issue of it being an AssPull, that's kind of the point. This show is following the formula of a [[Shonen]] anime. Think of [[Dragonball Z]], for a long time there was no sign of [[KiAttack Ki Attacks]], then Goku met Roshi and we got the Kamehameha wave. While other Shonen's did feature Ki attacks from the beginning, they still tend to have NewPowersAsThePlotDemands, such as the Tessaiga in Inuyasha, or [[{{Naruto}} Sasuke's]] rare bloodline, or any of numerous other ShonenUpgrades, and cases of HoldingBackThePhlebotium.
***What fans have said that? As for the issue of it being an AssPull, that's kind of the point. This show is following the formula of a [[Shonen]] anime. Think of [[Dragonball Z]], for a long time there was no sign of [[KiAttack Ki Attacks]], then Goku met Roshi and we got the Kamehameha wave. While other Shonen's did feature Ki attacks from the beginning, they still tend to have NewPowersAsThePlotDemands, such as the Tessaiga in Inuyasha, or [[{{Naruto}} Sasuke's]] rare bloodline, or any of numerous other ShonenUpgrades, and cases of HoldingBackThePhlebotium.
