History Headscratchers / Claymore

3rd Oct '17 9:01:12 PM cpslck
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** The other answer is the Organization didn't know because Theresa deliberately hid her strength. It's hinted that Theresa knew much more than she let on - in her first appearance she scares villagers by implying that the Organization controls youma and would set them on villages who didn't pay [[spoiler: which is she completely correct about]]. It's likely that she discovered the Organization's true goal. And the real reason she refuses to go full out and take any fight seriously is to keep her power a secret and protect herself. Remember the aftermath of the fight with Rosemary - Rubel implies that Romemary awakened and Theresa took her out. At which point, Theresa stops smiling, snaps at Rubel and lies to him. It's completely out of character because it's one of the few times she's afraid. If the Organization knew that Theresa was stronger than an Abyssal One, she'd be experimented on and sent to war.

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** The other answer is the Organization didn't know because Theresa deliberately hid her strength. It's hinted that Theresa knew much more than she let on - in her first appearance she scares villagers by implying that the Organization controls youma and would set them on villages who didn't pay [[spoiler: which is she completely correct about]]. It's likely My guess is that she discovered the Organization's true goal. And the real reason she refuses to go full out and take any fight seriously is to keep her power a secret and protect herself. (Her comrades, youma and Awakened Ones underestimating her is a lucky side effect) Remember the aftermath of the fight with Rosemary - Rubel her handler implies that Romemary Rosemary awakened and Theresa took her out. At which point, Theresa stops smiling, snaps at Rubel him and lies to him. lies. It's completely out of character because it's one of the few times she's afraid. If the Organization knew that Theresa was stronger than an Abyssal One, she'd be experimented on and sent to war.afraid of her secret getting out.
3rd Oct '17 8:51:29 PM cpslck
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** The other answer is Theresa hid her strength from the Organization. It's hinted that Theresa knew much more than she let on - in her first appearance she scares villagers by implying that the Organization controls youma and would set them on villages who didn't pay [[spoiler: which is she completely correct about]]. It's likely that she discovered the Organization's true goal. And the real reason she refuses to go full out and take any fight seriously is to keep her power a secret and protect herself. Remember the aftermath of the fight with Rosemary - Rubel implies that Romemary awakened and Theresa took her out. At which point, Theresa stops smiling, snaps at Rubel and lies to him. It's completely out of character because it's one of the few times she's afraid. If the Organization knew that Theresa was stronger than an Abyssal One, she'd be experimented on and sent to war.

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** The other answer is the Organization didn't know because Theresa deliberately hid her strength from the Organization.strength. It's hinted that Theresa knew much more than she let on - in her first appearance she scares villagers by implying that the Organization controls youma and would set them on villages who didn't pay [[spoiler: which is she completely correct about]]. It's likely that she discovered the Organization's true goal. And the real reason she refuses to go full out and take any fight seriously is to keep her power a secret and protect herself. Remember the aftermath of the fight with Rosemary - Rubel implies that Romemary awakened and Theresa took her out. At which point, Theresa stops smiling, snaps at Rubel and lies to him. It's completely out of character because it's one of the few times she's afraid. If the Organization knew that Theresa was stronger than an Abyssal One, she'd be experimented on and sent to war.
3rd Oct '17 8:47:33 PM cpslck
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** The other answer is Theresa hid her strength from the Organization. It's hinted that Theresa knew much more than she let on - in her first appearance she scares villagers by implying that the Organization controls youma and would set them on villages who didn't pay [[spoilers: which is she completely correct about]]. It's likely that she discovered the Organization's true goal. And the real reason she refuses to go full out and take any fight seriously is to keep her power a secret and protect herself. Remember the aftermath of the fight with Rosemary - Rubel implies that Romemary awakened and Theresa took her out. At which point, Theresa stops smiling, snaps at Rubel and lies to him. It's completely out of character because it's one of the few times she's afraid. If the Organization knew that Theresa was stronger than an Abyssal One, she'd be experimented on and sent to war.

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** The other answer is Theresa hid her strength from the Organization. It's hinted that Theresa knew much more than she let on - in her first appearance she scares villagers by implying that the Organization controls youma and would set them on villages who didn't pay [[spoilers: [[spoiler: which is she completely correct about]]. It's likely that she discovered the Organization's true goal. And the real reason she refuses to go full out and take any fight seriously is to keep her power a secret and protect herself. Remember the aftermath of the fight with Rosemary - Rubel implies that Romemary awakened and Theresa took her out. At which point, Theresa stops smiling, snaps at Rubel and lies to him. It's completely out of character because it's one of the few times she's afraid. If the Organization knew that Theresa was stronger than an Abyssal One, she'd be experimented on and sent to war.
3rd Oct '17 8:46:59 PM cpslck
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** The other answer is Theresa hid her strength from the Organization. It's hinted that Theresa knew much more than she let on - in her first appearance she scares villagers by implying that the Organization controls youma and would set them on villages who didn't pay [[spoilers: which is she completely correct about]]. It's likely that she discovered the Organization's true goal. And the real reason she refuses to go full out and take any fight seriously is to keep her power a secret and protect herself. Remember the aftermath of the fight with Rosemary - Rubel implies that Romemary awakened and Theresa took her out. At which point, Theresa stops smiling, snaps at Rubel and lies to him. It's completely out of character because it's one of the few times she's afraid. If the Organization knew that Theresa was stronger than an Abyssal One, she'd be experimented on and sent to war.
11th Jun '16 8:09:49 AM Voila27
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** One of the reasons is certainly that Claymores like Teresa are too rare to be of any use in the war, in fact Teresa is almost completely unique, but there's also another problem: the Organization doesn't just want monsters who are powerful and controllable, they also want them devoid of any human will and incapable of even thinking about disobedience. One the Claymores' major problems is their tendency to become disobedient and irreverent as they grow old, as Limt said the best warriors are those who die after a moderate amount of time before they start understanding what the Organization really is. Which is why Alicia and Beth are how they are, they are the closest thing to the Organization reaching their goals, fusing their consciousness left them without a personality, they can barely think and only care about following orders. Alicia and Beth are: as powerful as an Abyssal one, not insane and out for guts like Claymores, and incapable of ever turning disloyal because of their lack of Humanity. Alicia and Beth, and the nameless twin trainees too, however weren't perfect yet, their human bond as sisters never went away (as seen during the battle between Alicia and beth against Priscilla where the death of one of the sisters makes the surviving one cry, and also during the nameless twins' fight against Miria) and thus the Organization thought that in the future it would have been necessary to break the next twins' mind at an even earlier age to remove any remnant of Humanity. Because the whole theme of the series is about people recovering their Humanity thanks to the development of real human bonds this never happens, the Organization is shown to be utterly evil and are defeated by the rebel warriors who preferred to stay with those who considered them Humans rather than those who saw them as mere experiments. I ranted a bit toward the end but I hope I answered your question.
3rd Jun '16 1:37:00 AM Aquillion
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* The Organization's ultimate goal was to create something with the power of an awakened one but without its madness. Given that... didn't Teresa qualify when she was alive? It's shown that she's capable of defeating them with ease, and there's no particular reason to think dragons would be any more of a problem. Is the issue just that they can't mass-produce warriors of her caliber, or what? It seems odd that they're so determined to experiment with weird tricks when Teresa was glaringly more powerful than anything else they managed.
11th Feb '16 6:53:02 PM Siblings-Curse
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*** It's been established at the end that Teresa wasn't simply a JackOfAllTrades, but a MasterOfAll. She was just CONSTANTLY suppressing her powers, and almost never takes any fight seriously because she's just that strong. The moment [[spoiler: Teresa came back to life through Clare]] it was established that she could do everything the others could do, except BETTER. Even Ilena's arm that [[spoiler: wasn't a perfect match for Clare and could only be used once at 100% lest she wanted to damage Clare's body,]] she was able to use perfectly, immediately. She can copy what she has just seen others do, and she can do other people's technique on a whim, because to her, those aren't 'special moves', but just a regular move all together. She is literally number 1. Strongest of all generation. Basically put...she was most likely still holding back when she was fighting with Ilena.

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*** It's been established at the end that Teresa wasn't simply a JackOfAllTrades, but a MasterOfAll. She was just CONSTANTLY suppressing her powers, and almost never takes any fight seriously because she's just that strong. The moment [[spoiler: Teresa came back to life through Clare]] it was established that she could do everything the others could do, except BETTER. Even Ilena's arm that [[spoiler: wasn't a perfect match for Clare and could only be used once at 100% lest she wanted to damage Clare's body,]] she was able to use perfectly, immediately. She can copy what she has just seen others do, and she can do other people's technique on a whim, because to her, those aren't 'special moves', but just a regular move all together. She is literally number 1. Strongest of all generation. Basically put...she was most likely still holding back when she was fighting with Ilena.Ilena, and Ilena thought that that was Teresa's limits. She was basically just underestimating Teresa.
11th Feb '16 6:51:14 PM Siblings-Curse
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*** It's been established at the end that Teresa wasn't simply a JackOfAllTrades, but a MasterOfAll. She was just CONSTANTLY suppressing her powers, and almost never takes any fight seriously because she's just that strong. The moment [[spoiler: Teresa came back to life through Clare]] it was established that she could do everything the others could do, except BETTER. Even Ilena's arm that [[spoiler: wasn't a perfect match for Clare and could only be used once at 100% lest she wanted to damage Clare's body,]] she was able to use perfectly, immediately. She can copy what she has just seen others do, and she can do other people's technique on a whim, because to her, those aren't 'special moves', but just a regular move all together. She is literally number 1. Strongest of all generation. Basically put...she was most likely still holding back when she was fighting with Ilena.
*** There's also another thing...even if the above mentioned is overlooked, the fact that Ilena and Teresa have known each other probably since before they were deployed as warriors can only say one thing - they were at least somewhat familiar with each others' techniques. Teresa even made an off-hand comment about how while Ilena has certainly gotten better, it still was just not enough. [[http://mangafox.me/manga/claymore/v04/c019/23.html Even from their faces]] you can see just what is happening in this fight. Ilena was already concentrating hard, but Teresa still had that faint smile on her face. The moment Ilena started to turn her sword towards Teresa, [[spoiler: Teresa was able to stop her sword like it was nothing]]. If you add the mentioned above, the fact that Teresa is just THAT strong, plus the fact that she probably has a working knowledge of Ilena's technique...it wasn't that Teresa's abilities are 'lesser'. She just wanted them all to believe that.
19th Jun '15 6:37:38 PM Halcyon_Serenade
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** Also, the Yoma parasites possibly instinctively switch before their current host is completely unusable, then eat the rest of it. It's never really mentioned how quickly Yoma need to switch, either; all we know is that they tend to get hungry enough to feed every two weeks on average. Given that Clare meets several Yoma outside and inside Riful's first layer, a fair distance from civiliation, it could be that it takes months or years before the body-jumping absolutely needs to happen, so when they get a convenient chance, they can body-jump then eat their previous host without much of an issue.
31st Mar '15 5:34:47 PM forwantofaname
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*** I doubt that. She specifically attacked the Destroyer, which I doubt one of its parts wouold do, to get it out of the way so she could fight the Priscilla. My current theories are that a) it is Riful and Dauf's offspring, which could only been born when her mother died b) given Riful's Awakened form showed that she had no vitals in her upper half it's possible she survived long enough to absorb Dauf but in doing so destroyed her sense of self, knowing only her hatred for Priscilla or c) Priscilla, who has been shown to be able to break off parts of her body and revive the dead, accidentally left part of herself in Riful and Dauf when killing them, and the two revived, and that's why Destroy-Priscilla attacked it like they thought she was there to be absorbed only for Riful and Dauf's hatred for her to wake up just as that was happening and attack.
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