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** The gun you use in the water levels actually a miniature-harpoon machine gun the Russians developed in the 1970s. And as above, a normal gun fires perfectly fine in a zero-gee vacuum. However, if the recoil of a projectile weapon in space is concerning, the ''Franchise/{{Halo}}'' books had the idea of hooking it up to your EVA pack and thrusting forward when you pull the trigger.
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** Guns work fine in zero-g and even in a vacuum. Infantry scale laser weaponry doesn't really exist in Ghosts, so outfitting astronauts with them would be impossible. Harpoon huns would be terrible in combat, they're big, single shot, and would be hard to come by given the circumstances. Also the guns they use in the underwater levels are real and were built to be used underwater.

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** Guns work fine in zero-g and even in a vacuum. Infantry scale laser weaponry doesn't really exist in Ghosts, so outfitting astronauts with them would be impossible. Harpoon huns guns would be terrible in combat, they're big, single shot, and would be hard to come by given the circumstances. Also the guns they use in the underwater levels are real and were built to be used underwater.
*** "Infantry scale laser weaponry doesn't really exist in Ghosts" Uhh...that's the point; they ''should've'' existed in Ghosts. At least for the astronauts to use.
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* What's the deal with all the new/unrecognizable guns in this game? We have the .44 Magnum, but all the other ones are either fictional or given completely different names. I know this is supposed to be a futuristic setting, but you'd think we'd still be able to see more weapons from the 2000s (decade, not century) in this game. And yes, I know that the [=M4A1=] and UMP-45 were DummiedOut, and the M9 is called the M9A1, but what's the deal? Were the game designers deliberately trying to alienate gun enthusiasts or something?

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* What's the deal with all the new/unrecognizable guns in this game? We have the .44 Magnum, but all the other ones are either fictional or given completely different names. I know this is supposed to be a futuristic setting, but you'd think we'd still be able to see more weapons from the 2000s (decade, not century) in this game. And yes, I know that the [=M4A1=] and UMP-45 were DummiedOut, and the M9 is called the M9A1, [=M9A1=], but what's the deal? Were the game designers deliberately trying to alienate gun enthusiasts or something?
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** The US seems to have no issue with ignoring whatever international treaties are particularly inconvenient for it at the time. Bonus points because they can argue "They're just giant bullets, not nuclear weapons or WMDs!"
** Legally speaking, WMDs usually refers to CBRN (chemical, bioilogical, nuclear, radiological) weapons. A kinetic impactor is technically none of these things. And as long as the US has a seat on the UN security council, it has veto power over any attempt to legally re-define WMDs to include orbital bombardment.

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** The US seems to have no issue with ignoring whatever international treaties are particularly inconvenient for it at the time. Bonus points because they can argue "They're just giant bullets, not nuclear weapons or WMDs!"
[=WMDs=]!"
** Legally speaking, WMDs [=WMDs=] usually refers to CBRN (chemical, bioilogical, biological, nuclear, radiological) weapons. A kinetic impactor is technically none of these things. And as long as the US has a seat on the UN security council, it has veto power over any attempt to legally re-define WMDs [=WMDs=] to include orbital bombardment.



* What's the deal with all the new/unrecognizable guns in this game? We have the .44 Magnum, but all the other ones are either fictional or given completely different names. I know this is supposed to be a futuristic setting, but you'd think we'd still be able to see more weapons from the 2000s (decade, not century) in this game. And yes, I know that the M4A1 and UMP-45 were DummiedOut, and the M9 is called the M9A1, but what's the deal? Were the game designers deliberately trying to alienate gun enthusiasts or something?

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* What's the deal with all the new/unrecognizable guns in this game? We have the .44 Magnum, but all the other ones are either fictional or given completely different names. I know this is supposed to be a futuristic setting, but you'd think we'd still be able to see more weapons from the 2000s (decade, not century) in this game. And yes, I know that the M4A1 [=M4A1=] and UMP-45 were DummiedOut, and the M9 is called the M9A1, but what's the deal? Were the game designers deliberately trying to alienate gun enthusiasts or something?
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** Guns work fine in zero-g and even in a vacuum. Infantry scale laser weaponry doesn't really exist in Ghosts, so outfitting astronauts with them would be impossible. Harpoon huns would be terrible in combat, they're big, single shot, and would be hard to come by given the circumstances. Also the guns they use in the underwater levels are real and were built to be used underwater.

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** Guns work fine in zero-g and even in a vacuum. Infantry scale laser weaponry doesn't really exist in Ghosts, so outfitting astronauts with them would be impossible. impossible. Harpoon huns would be terrible in combat, they're big, single shot, and would be hard to come by given the circumstances. circumstances. Also the guns they use in the underwater levels are real and were built to be used underwater.



** [[http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Call_of_Duty:_Ghosts Most of the guns are real, just newer, and use names pretty close to their real names.]] I guess IW just wanted to throw in some cool new cutting edge gear.

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** [[http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Call_of_Duty:_Ghosts Most of the guns are real, just newer, and use names pretty close to their real names.]] ]] I guess IW just wanted to throw in some cool new cutting edge gear.

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* What's the deal with all the new/unrecognizable guns in this game? We have the .44 Magnum, but all the other ones are either fictional or given completely different names. I know this is supposed to be a futuristic setting, but you'd think we'd still be able to see more weapons from the 2000s (decade, not century) in this game. And yes, I know that the M4A1 and UMP-45 were DummiedOut, and the M9 is called the M9A1, but what's the deal? Were the game designers deliberately trying to alienate gun enthusiasts or something?

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\n** Guns work fine in zero-g and even in a vacuum. Infantry scale laser weaponry doesn't really exist in Ghosts, so outfitting astronauts with them would be impossible. Harpoon huns would be terrible in combat, they're big, single shot, and would be hard to come by given the circumstances. Also the guns they use in the underwater levels are real and were built to be used underwater.

* What's the deal with all the new/unrecognizable guns in this game? We have the .44 Magnum, but all the other ones are either fictional or given completely different names. I know this is supposed to be a futuristic setting, but you'd think we'd still be able to see more weapons from the 2000s (decade, not century) in this game. And yes, I know that the M4A1 and UMP-45 were DummiedOut, and the M9 is called the M9A1, but what's the deal? Were the game designers deliberately trying to alienate gun enthusiasts or something?something?
** [[http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Call_of_Duty:_Ghosts Most of the guns are real, just newer, and use names pretty close to their real names.]] I guess IW just wanted to throw in some cool new cutting edge gear.
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* How did the Federation get space capability? Even if the Federation were somehow able to make a continent spanning nation, as well as conquer Mexico, Central America, and the Caribbean, then move onto the US, it would require billions of dollars of resources, research, manpower, and development to make a way to create a vehicle to take over ODIN. All the while dealing with establishing a new centralized government, putting down local rebellions, building up a military, the infrastructure to provide for their citizenry, etc. How did they accomplish such a thing?

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* How did the Federation get space capability? Even if the Federation were somehow able to make a continent spanning nation, as well as conquer Mexico, Central America, and the Caribbean, then move onto the US, it would require billions of dollars of resources, research, manpower, and development to make a way to create a vehicle to take over ODIN. All the while dealing with establishing a new centralized government, putting down local rebellions, building up a military, the infrastructure to provide for their citizenry, etc. How did they accomplish such a thing?thing?

* How the hell is everyone able to use guns in zero-gravity environments? Even if these guns just ''happened'' to be advanced enough to work, wouldn't it make more sense to just have everyone use harpoon guns or [[FrickinLaserBeams laser weapons]] in the underwater and space missions, respectively?

* What's the deal with all the new/unrecognizable guns in this game? We have the .44 Magnum, but all the other ones are either fictional or given completely different names. I know this is supposed to be a futuristic setting, but you'd think we'd still be able to see more weapons from the 2000s (decade, not century) in this game. And yes, I know that the M4A1 and UMP-45 were DummiedOut, and the M9 is called the M9A1, but what's the deal? Were the game designers deliberately trying to alienate gun enthusiasts or something?
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*** 120,000 troops is nothing to sneer at. Especially if you're fighting a loosing war.

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*** 120,000 troops is nothing to sneer at. Especially if you're fighting a loosing losing war.
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*** My point was that the Federation already know exactly who's who within the Ghosts unit, so for morale reasons alone releasing their identities should be released.
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*** The Ghosts are one of America's most elite military units, and like with real life elite units, the names and faces of its members are most likely a closely guarded military secret, the kind of information that is known only to those who need to know. Elias' sons didn't need to know.
*** And yet, the main antagonist already knows the identity of all the Ghosts, making it a pretty poorly kept secret.

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*** The Ghosts are one of America's most elite military units, and like with real life elite units, units the names and faces of its members are most likely a closely guarded military secret, the kind of information that is known only to those who need to know. Elias' sons didn't need to know.
*** And yet, the main antagonist already knows the identity of all the Ghosts, making it a pretty poorly kept secret.
*** He knows because he was a Ghost and fought alongside them, remember? For him it never was a
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*** And yet, the main antagonist already knows the identity of all the Ghosts, making it a pretty poorly kept secret.
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** While public pressure is pretty much the only thing that makes sense, the game goes out of its way to disprove it, as Hesh seems totally baffled when Elias mentions ODIN; if Hesh doesn't know, then it's practically guaranteed knowledge isn't public.
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* Why did Elias have the truck parked miles away from his own house during the prologue? How is getting in a truck safer than just hiding in a doorframe or under a table?

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* Why did Elias have the truck parked miles away from his own house during the prologue? How is getting in a truck safer than just hiding in a doorframe or under a table?table?

* How did the Federation get space capability? Even if the Federation were somehow able to make a continent spanning nation, as well as conquer Mexico, Central America, and the Caribbean, then move onto the US, it would require billions of dollars of resources, research, manpower, and development to make a way to create a vehicle to take over ODIN. All the while dealing with establishing a new centralized government, putting down local rebellions, building up a military, the infrastructure to provide for their citizenry, etc. How did they accomplish such a thing?
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** The climate aftermath of a nuclear war would undoubtedly be harsh, but saying it would be like ''Fallout'' is an exaggeration. A more likely scenario would be like the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_Without_a_Summer Year Without a Summer]].
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*** The Ghosts are one of America's most elite military units, and like with real life elite units, the names and faces of its members are most likely a closely guarded military secret, the kind of information that is known only to those who need to know. Elias' sons didn't need to know.



** [[IdiotBall there wouldn't be a game without someone making completely stupid design choices and mistakes]]


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** [[IdiotBall there There wouldn't be a game without someone making completely stupid design choices and mistakes]]

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** There main motivation appears to be territorial expansion and conquest, at least of the hemisphere. After that, who knows? [[ModernWarfare2 They might engage in a pointless and unwinnable war on another continent]] or they might be content. [[TakeOverTheWorld Standard badguy motivation, really.]] Which is a bit of a waste, since they could have been after revenge for American imperialism (think rhetoric of Hugo Chavez) or, since they controlled Mexico, [[MexicoCalledTheyWantTexasBack a return of the area stolen in the Mexican-American War]] (California, New Mexico, Arizona and Texas, all places that they invaded). They could have played with the fact that the US, a former superpower, is now on the receiving end of gunboat diplomacy. But since these motives weren't fleshed out at all... it all comes off kind of like a [[UnfortunateImplications racist argument against Hispanic immigration or something.]]

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** There main motivation appears to be territorial expansion and conquest, at least of the hemisphere. After that, who knows? [[ModernWarfare2 [[VideoGame/ModernWarfare2 They might engage in a pointless and unwinnable war on another continent]] or they might be content. [[TakeOverTheWorld Standard badguy motivation, really.]] Which is a bit of a waste, since they could have been after revenge for American imperialism (think rhetoric of Hugo Chavez) or, since they controlled Mexico, [[MexicoCalledTheyWantTexasBack a return of the area stolen in the Mexican-American War]] (California, New Mexico, Arizona and Texas, all places that they invaded). They could have played with the fact that the US, a former superpower, is now on the receiving end of gunboat diplomacy. But since these motives weren't fleshed out at all... it all comes off kind of like a [[UnfortunateImplications racist argument against Hispanic immigration or something.]]
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*** He was even shot before that; just seconds before the train is bombed, Rorke shoots him, yet the game never seems to acknowledge that he was actually shot. And why didn't Rorke finish him off when he had a gun pointed at his head?
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** [[IdiotBall there wouldn't be a game without someone making completely stupid design choices and mistakes]]

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* Why did Elias have the truck parked miles away from his own house during the prologue? How is getting in a truck safer than just hiding in a doorframe or under a table?
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** Legally speaking, WMDs usually refers to CBRN (chemical, bioilogical, nuclear, radiological) weapons. A kinetic impactor is technically none of these things. And as long as the US has a seat on the UN security council, it has veto power over any attempt to legally re-define WMDs to include orbital bombardment.
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* So much of ODIN's design seems incredibly shortsighted. Given the level of destruction it's capable of, why doesn't it have security similar to America's nuclear arsenal, with arming codes that are kept on Earth, and the use of them requiring the authorization of the president? Why have explosives to scuttle the station next to ODIN, but not ODIN itself? Finally, how did the Feds hijack the spacecraft to get to ODIN without anyone noticing?

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* So much of ODIN's design seems incredibly shortsighted. Given the level of destruction it's capable of, why doesn't it have security similar to America's nuclear arsenal, with arming codes that are kept on Earth, and the use of them requiring the authorization of the president? Why have explosives to scuttle the station next to ODIN, but not ODIN itself? Finally, how did the Feds hijack the spacecraft to get to ODIN without anyone noticing?noticing?
**[[IdiotBall there wouldn't be a game without someone making completely stupid design choices and mistakes]]
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** Perhaps they're the final last resort, to be used if all conventional military options fail and defeat is inevitable.
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** Yet he still wanted them to become Ghosts...

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** Yet he still wanted them to become Ghosts...Ghosts...

* So much of ODIN's design seems incredibly shortsighted. Given the level of destruction it's capable of, why doesn't it have security similar to America's nuclear arsenal, with arming codes that are kept on Earth, and the use of them requiring the authorization of the president? Why have explosives to scuttle the station next to ODIN, but not ODIN itself? Finally, how did the Feds hijack the spacecraft to get to ODIN without anyone noticing?
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*** 120,000 troops is nothing to sneer at. Especially if you're fighting a loosing war.




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** The game actually just says that "the great powers that depended on oil collapsed." If the US hung on Europe certainly did. Presumably other NATO powers were weakened and didn't want to risk the wrath of the Federation. Or perhaps they were involved and we just didn't see them and they will make an appearance in the sequel.
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*** The Middle East might not have been completely nuked, just a few nukes after could have been enough to cause a breakdown of law and order, making oil extraction unfeasible. Especially if the infrastructure had been damaged before by what was almost certainly an all out war. And rather than expending a great deal of time and effort to re establish the Middle East oil trade the west turned to the Federation for its oil.
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** Come to think of it, how is Hesh alive? The bullet clearly went through both of them and hit the windshield behind them, because the hole that leads to it cracking and shattering only appears when you pull the trigger.
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**** I know it isn't stated, but just from what we're shown I'd guess that the goal is to take complete control of the Western Hemisphere and become the world's chief superpower. Another goal could be to keep the economy stimulated with continuous war production or artificially low unemployment via massive military expansion. Yet another could be to keep the Federation from tearing itself apart by focusing all rage and frustration on a common enemy; its made up of what were independent countries not that long ago.
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** Not really. Forgetting most of it, but isn't Brazil more resource-loaded than Venezuela, which may have started the Federation, given the gear used. The stars could have symbolized the fact Venezuela and Brazil partnered up. As to why they want to fight America, they could be just as we use to say in the main page; Hugo Chavez' wetdream.
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*** If the Middle East was destroyed via Nuclear Weapons, then the world would be in complete nuclear winter. Clearly the writers have no brain, because the nukes required to make mining oil impossible, which comes out of the ground, would release huge amounts of radioactive fallout. The world be in a state of what the world is in the Fallout games. This is just making deadly to try drilling into the ground to say nothing of actually hitting the oil deposits with actual nukes.

* It is shown in cinematics that the Federation started in Brazil. The map of South America displayed when Elias is talking about the Federation forming, it shows the ring of stars on top of Brazil, because it shows the middle of Brazil being in the middle of the ring of Stars? So are the writers saying that Brazil is trying to kill the US? Watch the cinematic, and compare the South America to a map. It clearly shows Brazil.
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**** Intel you can collect indicates that they got the whereabouts of the safehouse from Ajax when they were torturing him, so maybe the Federation were able to invade quickly and surprise them once Rorke realized they had gone quiet.
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**** The first point is moot as well. That leader, upon seizing power, ordered to imprison or kill all the citizens of the United States on South American soil. More than enough to justify an action against him - and he retaliated by bombing a dam and killing thousands of his own people, just to try and stop an USA squad. Even if he was killed soon after, propaganda surely passed that disaster as caused by the North Americans. So the point to the Federation has really tinfoil motivations still stands.




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** They may also want to maintain an higher moral ground, so to have the rest of the world watch. "See? They used our hijacked orbital weapon to destroy cities indiscriminately, now we use theirs only on military and strategic targets, and we avoid senseless civilian casualties, because we are better than them."

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