History Headscratchers / CallOfDuty

24th Jun '16 12:26:07 AM Thunderchin
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* He ''did'' come forward. The whole reason Makarov shot Yuri and left him for dead in the first place was because Yuri went to the FSB. Apparently the Russian news media "missed out" on that part of FSB's news conference.
17th May '16 1:56:29 PM RogueLeader
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*** The Russians aren't justified however. Not publicly. Nobody but Price is even aware that the General had any involvement with the terrorists. And Price has no proof as Shepherd walked away with it (the hard drive Roach gave him) and more than likely destroyed it. Price himself said it best, "History is written by the victors, history is filled with liars." NATO won, the Ultra-nationalists lost and the unstable Russian government will now be reigned in. As far as Price or anyone else is concerned, it all ended as well as can be expected, given the circumstances. As far as the world is concerned, Russia's invasion of America was overkill, its invasion of Europe unjustifiable, the gassing of Europe, irredeemable. They have no leg to stand on if they want to avoid being considered international pariahs.
13th Apr '16 12:09:39 AM Zaptech
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** No one ever said that Price knew anything secret about Makarov. Soap explicitly says that the reason they went after Price was because they knew Makarov hated him and that they were going to use him as bait to draw Makarov out. As for Shepherd having secret information on Makarov, yeah, he does. Not only does Makarov also have secret intel on Shepherd, implying that they were working together in some capacity, but having intel on valuable enemy targets is part of a commander's job. There's nothing "magical" about it.
1st Apr '16 11:31:10 AM delta1
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[[folder: Rojas, Prisonder 627, and Makarov]]
* So early on in the campaign, it's established that your goal is to track down Makarov, and your first lead takes you to Brazil, which leads to a Russian gulag where you find out that "Prisoner 627" is Captain Price. Price proceeds to launch the nuke, EMP, yada yada. But, at no point does Price say "I have crucial information on Makarov that will allow you to catch the guy". So you trotted all over the globe exploring this supposed lead on Makarov and in the end it doesn't go anywhere. But then in an unrelated development, Shepherd magically comes up with the location for Makarov's last two safehouses and allows the plot to continue?


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[[folder: Rojas, Prisoner 627, and Makarov]]
* So early on in the campaign, it's established that your goal is to track down Makarov, and your first lead takes you to Brazil, which leads to a Russian gulag where you find out that "Prisoner 627" is Captain Price. Price proceeds to launch the nuke, EMP, yada yada. But, at no point does Price say "I have crucial information on Makarov that will allow you to catch the guy". So you trotted all over the globe exploring this supposed lead on Makarov and in the end it doesn't go anywhere. But then in an unrelated development, Shepherd magically comes up with the location for Makarov's last two safehouses and allows the plot to continue?
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1st Apr '16 11:30:08 AM delta1
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[[folder: Rojas, Prisonder 627, and Makarov]]
* So early on in the campaign, it's established that your goal is to track down Makarov, and your first lead takes you to Brazil, which leads to a Russian gulag where you find out that "Prisoner 627" is Captain Price. Price proceeds to launch the nuke, EMP, yada yada. But, at no point does Price say "I have crucial information on Makarov that will allow you to catch the guy". So you trotted all over the globe exploring this supposed lead on Makarov and in the end it doesn't go anywhere. But then in an unrelated development, Shepherd magically comes up with the location for Makarov's last two safehouses and allows the plot to continue?
22nd Feb '16 3:11:18 AM RogueLeader
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** The US public probably doesn't know what Shepherd did, but Price would have set the record straight after his pardon. The US would then classify that one of its Generals went rouge and started WW3.[[/folder]]
*** No one is going to set the record straight. Price may get pardoned. But he isn't going to say a word, neither is anyone else. All Price has is his word anyway. No doubt Shepherd left no evidence. As Price himself said "History is written by the victors, history is filled with liars." Shepherd is dead, Yuri is dead, that is all that matters. No one would believe Price, and he can't prove it. Nor would he want to. The war is over, the Ultra-nationalists are finished forever, The West won. Everyone is happy, except the people we aren't supposed to care about. If everyone involved is lucky, no one will find out about things that really happened ever, or at least, not in anyone living's lifetime. Not about Shepherd, not about Allen, not about Price launching the nuke. Everyone goes home and enjoys the rest of their lives. Happy ending.


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** The US public probably doesn't know what Shepherd did, but Price would have set the record straight after his pardon. The US would then classify that one of its Generals went rouge and started WW3.[[/folder]]
WW3.
*** No one is going to set the record straight. Price may get pardoned. But he isn't going to say a word, neither is anyone else. All Price has is his word anyway. No doubt Shepherd left no evidence. As Price himself said "History is written by the victors, history is filled with liars." Shepherd is dead, Yuri is dead, that is all that matters. No one would believe Price, and he can't prove it. Nor would he want to. The war is over, the Ultra-nationalists are finished forever, The West won. Everyone is happy, except the people we aren't supposed to care about. If everyone involved is lucky, no one will find out about things that really happened ever, or at least, not in anyone living's lifetime. Not about Shepherd, not about Allen, not about Price launching the nuke. Everyone goes home and enjoys the rest of their lives. Happy ending.

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22nd Feb '16 3:10:38 AM RogueLeader
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\n***No one is going to set the record straight. Price may get pardoned. But he isn't going to say a word, neither is anyone else. All Price has is his word anyway. No doubt Shepherd left no evidence. As Price himself said "History is written by the victors, history is filled with liars." Shepherd is dead, Yuri is dead, that is all that matters. No one would believe Price, and he can't prove it. Nor would he want to. The war is over, the Ultra-nationalists are finished forever, The West won. Everyone is happy, except the people we aren't supposed to care about. If everyone involved is lucky, no one will find out about things that really happened ever, or at least, not in anyone living's lifetime. Not about Shepherd, not about Allen, not about Price launching the nuke. Everyone goes home and enjoys the rest of their lives. Happy ending.

17th Dec '15 10:43:05 PM Kadorhal
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*** Noriega does get into a scuffle with some other US soldiers unaware of his identity or Mason and Woods' mission shortly before they actually get him to a checkpoint; it's unlikely but still possible he may have managed to grab a new mag from one of them.

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*** Noriega does get into a scuffle with some a pair of other US soldiers unaware of his identity or Mason and Woods' mission shortly before they actually get him to a checkpoint; it's unlikely but still possible checkpoint, and he may have ends up shooting one of them before he and the other wrestle each other out the window. It's likely that he managed to grab a new mag from steal one of them.their handguns right out of the holster.



** They [[BlatantLies obviously]] couldn't have the Contras show up [[DisneyOwnsThisTrope because "Contra" is a registered trademark of Konami]] and Activision doesn't like to play nice when anyone else might possibly make even a little bit of money from one of their own properties.



**** Um, judging by the fact that Woods is A. talking to Noriega, and B. participating in some kind of band that's providing music for a dance party, I don't think that scene is meant to be taken seriously.

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**** Um, judging by the fact that Woods is A. talking to Noriega, Menendez as if they're best buddies, and B. participating in some kind of band that's providing music for a dance party, I don't think that scene is meant to be taken seriously.



** I'm not sure what franchise you think you're playing. This is Call of Duty, and more to the point, this is ''Black Ops''. Black Ops is a setting with long-distance Russian mind control, teleporting Spetsnaz/CIA battalions, James Bond supervillains, secret underwater doom bases, exploding tomahawks, man-portable miniguns, quantum entanglement computer processors, men who take multiple sniper rifle rounds to unarmored chests and survive, an enraged villain who chops down dozens of PDF troops with just a machete, [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking and General Petreaus still in charge of the CIA]]. It's [[CommandAndConquerRedAlert Red Alert]] with more digital camouflage and less cleavage. Lambasting the game for having advanced technology ahead of it's time is rather silly when the setting isn't even remotely ''trying'' to be realistic.
*** Now I want this series to just straight become RED ALERT: The first person shooter! Cleavage and all. [[JokingMode Come one Anderson you were a pretty lady from what little we saw of you! Unzip your flight suit a little!]]

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** I'm not sure what franchise you think you're playing. This is Call of Duty, and more to the point, this is ''Black Ops''. Black Ops is a setting with long-distance Russian mind control, teleporting Spetsnaz/CIA battalions, James Bond supervillains, secret underwater doom bases, exploding tomahawks, man-portable miniguns, quantum entanglement computer processors, men who take multiple sniper rifle rounds to unarmored chests and survive, an enraged villain who chops down dozens of PDF troops with just a machete, [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking and General Petreaus still in charge of the CIA]]. It's [[CommandAndConquerRedAlert [[VideoGame/CommandAndConquerRedAlert Red Alert]] with more digital camouflage and less cleavage. Lambasting the game for having advanced technology ahead of it's time is rather silly when the setting isn't even remotely ''trying'' to be realistic.
*** Now I want this series to just straight become RED ALERT: The first person shooter! Cleavage and all. [[JokingMode Come one on Anderson you were a pretty lady from what little we saw of you! Unzip your flight suit a little!]]
17th Dec '15 1:15:15 PM Robotnik
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* When did the U.S. government find out about the existence of Nova 6 and Dragovich's involvement therewith? When Hudson interrogates Dr. Clarke in "Numbers", going off a dossier obtained in "The Defector", he doesn't seem to know anything about it until Clarke spills the beans. He doesn't even seem to have heard the name "Nova 6" before. But here's the thing; ''Mason'' found out about Nova 6 as many as 5 years earlier, when Reznov told him about his experiences with "Project Nova" at Vorkuta. Reznov also made it very clear that the threat was still present, and that Dragovich was still hard at work on the weapon. So wouldn't the CIA and the Pentagon have found out about Nova 6 right after Mason's escape, after he'd inevitably shared this vital intel?

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* When did the U.S. government find out about the existence of Nova 6 and Dragovich's involvement therewith? When Hudson interrogates Dr. Clarke in "Numbers", going off a dossier obtained in "The Defector", he doesn't seem to know anything about it until Clarke spills the beans. He doesn't even seem to have heard the name "Nova 6" before. But here's the thing; ''Mason'' found out about Nova 6 as many as 5 years earlier, when Reznov told him about his experiences with "Project Nova" at Vorkuta. Reznov also made it very clear that the threat was still present, and that Dragovich was still hard at work on the weapon. So wouldn't the CIA and the Pentagon have found out about Nova 6 right after Mason's escape, after he'd he inevitably shared this vital intel?the information he received?
17th Dec '15 1:08:54 PM Robotnik
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[[folder: When did the U.S. find out about Nova 6?]]
* When did the U.S. government find out about the existence of Nova 6 and Dragovich's involvement therewith? When Hudson interrogates Dr. Clarke in "Numbers", going off a dossier obtained in "The Defector", he doesn't seem to know anything about it until Clarke spills the beans. He doesn't even seem to have heard the name "Nova 6" before. But here's the thing; ''Mason'' found out about Nova 6 as many as 5 years earlier, when Reznov told him about his experiences with "Project Nova" at Vorkuta. Reznov also made it very clear that the threat was still present, and that Dragovich was still hard at work on the weapon. So wouldn't the CIA and the Pentagon have found out about Nova 6 right after Mason's escape, after he'd inevitably shared this vital intel?
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