History Headscratchers / CallOfDuty

16th Aug '16 9:01:42 AM Bauglir100
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* How the hell is it that a bunch of soldiers watch the ''Eiffel fucking Tower'' collapse in plain sight, and yet ''nobody'' say anything about it ''whatsoever''? Not even an "Oh my god!", or a "Holy shit!". It's not even brought up later. What was the point?

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* How the hell is it that a bunch of soldiers watch the ''Eiffel fucking Tower'' collapse in plain sight, and yet ''nobody'' say says anything about it ''whatsoever''? Not even an "Oh my god!", or a "Holy shit!". It's not even brought up later. What was the point?
16th Aug '16 8:59:16 AM Bauglir100
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* How the hell is it that a bunch of soldiers watch the ''Eiffel fucking Tower'' collapse in plain sight, and yet ''nobody'' say anything about it ''whatsoever''? Not even an "Oh my god!", or a "Holy shit!". It's not even brought up later. What was the point?
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16th Aug '16 8:52:37 AM Bauglir100
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* On that note, how the fuck did a nuclear missile launched at ''Washington, D.C.'' not trigger a nuclear war?
5th Aug '16 11:51:53 AM Kadorhal
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** The presence of a CIA agent does not mean that the government was responsible for the operation. CIA black operations have been approved without the consent of the Joint Chiefs before, and its the nature of bureaucracy in general that if someone has the right set of authorization codes they can do whatever they want. Shepherd could have ordered the deployment of a CIA agent under his command without it going very high up, depending on his degree of authorization, and judging by his resources, he has some very high level of authorization to begin with. That was likely part of why he had the rest of Task Force 141 purged, to sever ties to the original operation with Makarov and leave both himself completely clean and to cut out any chance of someone stopping the war.

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** The presence of a CIA agent does not mean that the government was responsible for the operation. CIA black operations have been approved without the consent of the Joint Chiefs before, and its it's the nature of bureaucracy in general that if someone has the right set of authorization codes they can do whatever they want. Shepherd could have ordered the deployment of a CIA agent under his command without it going very high up, depending on his degree of authorization, and judging by his resources, he has some very high level of authorization to begin with. That was likely part of why he had the rest of Task Force 141 purged, to sever ties to the original operation with Makarov and leave both himself completely clean and to cut out any chance of someone stopping the war.



** Why: the various hostile terrorsits who wanted to kill him, for one thing. How: It is extremely easy to disappear if you want to seriously sever outside ties, especially with the CIA to help, even before factoring in the hypercompetence Black Ops adds to their capabilities.

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** Why: the various hostile terrorsits terrorists who wanted to kill him, for one thing. How: It is extremely easy to disappear if you want to seriously sever outside ties, especially with the CIA to help, even before factoring in the hypercompetence Black Ops adds to their capabilities.


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*** ''Woods is implied to know Alex is alive.'' Uh, when was that? Nothing indicates that his surprise when Mason shows up out of nowhere in 2025 is anything but genuine.
24th Jun '16 12:26:07 AM Thunderchin
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* He ''did'' come forward. The whole reason Makarov shot Yuri and left him for dead in the first place was because Yuri went to the FSB. Apparently the Russian news media "missed out" on that part of FSB's news conference.
17th May '16 1:56:29 PM RogueLeader
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*** The Russians aren't justified however. Not publicly. Nobody but Price is even aware that the General had any involvement with the terrorists. And Price has no proof as Shepherd walked away with it (the hard drive Roach gave him) and more than likely destroyed it. Price himself said it best, "History is written by the victors, history is filled with liars." NATO won, the Ultra-nationalists lost and the unstable Russian government will now be reigned in. As far as Price or anyone else is concerned, it all ended as well as can be expected, given the circumstances. As far as the world is concerned, Russia's invasion of America was overkill, its invasion of Europe unjustifiable, the gassing of Europe, irredeemable. They have no leg to stand on if they want to avoid being considered international pariahs.
13th Apr '16 12:09:39 AM Zaptech
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** No one ever said that Price knew anything secret about Makarov. Soap explicitly says that the reason they went after Price was because they knew Makarov hated him and that they were going to use him as bait to draw Makarov out. As for Shepherd having secret information on Makarov, yeah, he does. Not only does Makarov also have secret intel on Shepherd, implying that they were working together in some capacity, but having intel on valuable enemy targets is part of a commander's job. There's nothing "magical" about it.
1st Apr '16 11:31:10 AM delta1
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[[folder: Rojas, Prisonder 627, and Makarov]]
* So early on in the campaign, it's established that your goal is to track down Makarov, and your first lead takes you to Brazil, which leads to a Russian gulag where you find out that "Prisoner 627" is Captain Price. Price proceeds to launch the nuke, EMP, yada yada. But, at no point does Price say "I have crucial information on Makarov that will allow you to catch the guy". So you trotted all over the globe exploring this supposed lead on Makarov and in the end it doesn't go anywhere. But then in an unrelated development, Shepherd magically comes up with the location for Makarov's last two safehouses and allows the plot to continue?


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[[folder: Rojas, Prisoner 627, and Makarov]]
* So early on in the campaign, it's established that your goal is to track down Makarov, and your first lead takes you to Brazil, which leads to a Russian gulag where you find out that "Prisoner 627" is Captain Price. Price proceeds to launch the nuke, EMP, yada yada. But, at no point does Price say "I have crucial information on Makarov that will allow you to catch the guy". So you trotted all over the globe exploring this supposed lead on Makarov and in the end it doesn't go anywhere. But then in an unrelated development, Shepherd magically comes up with the location for Makarov's last two safehouses and allows the plot to continue?
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1st Apr '16 11:30:08 AM delta1
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[[folder: Rojas, Prisonder 627, and Makarov]]
* So early on in the campaign, it's established that your goal is to track down Makarov, and your first lead takes you to Brazil, which leads to a Russian gulag where you find out that "Prisoner 627" is Captain Price. Price proceeds to launch the nuke, EMP, yada yada. But, at no point does Price say "I have crucial information on Makarov that will allow you to catch the guy". So you trotted all over the globe exploring this supposed lead on Makarov and in the end it doesn't go anywhere. But then in an unrelated development, Shepherd magically comes up with the location for Makarov's last two safehouses and allows the plot to continue?
22nd Feb '16 3:11:18 AM RogueLeader
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** The US public probably doesn't know what Shepherd did, but Price would have set the record straight after his pardon. The US would then classify that one of its Generals went rouge and started WW3.[[/folder]]
*** No one is going to set the record straight. Price may get pardoned. But he isn't going to say a word, neither is anyone else. All Price has is his word anyway. No doubt Shepherd left no evidence. As Price himself said "History is written by the victors, history is filled with liars." Shepherd is dead, Yuri is dead, that is all that matters. No one would believe Price, and he can't prove it. Nor would he want to. The war is over, the Ultra-nationalists are finished forever, The West won. Everyone is happy, except the people we aren't supposed to care about. If everyone involved is lucky, no one will find out about things that really happened ever, or at least, not in anyone living's lifetime. Not about Shepherd, not about Allen, not about Price launching the nuke. Everyone goes home and enjoys the rest of their lives. Happy ending.


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** The US public probably doesn't know what Shepherd did, but Price would have set the record straight after his pardon. The US would then classify that one of its Generals went rouge and started WW3.[[/folder]]
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*** No one is going to set the record straight. Price may get pardoned. But he isn't going to say a word, neither is anyone else. All Price has is his word anyway. No doubt Shepherd left no evidence. As Price himself said "History is written by the victors, history is filled with liars." Shepherd is dead, Yuri is dead, that is all that matters. No one would believe Price, and he can't prove it. Nor would he want to. The war is over, the Ultra-nationalists are finished forever, The West won. Everyone is happy, except the people we aren't supposed to care about. If everyone involved is lucky, no one will find out about things that really happened ever, or at least, not in anyone living's lifetime. Not about Shepherd, not about Allen, not about Price launching the nuke. Everyone goes home and enjoys the rest of their lives. Happy ending.

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