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** I suspect that it is part of the joke - for someone so obsessed with gender roles and the true way, she clearly isn't in a happy relationship.
*** Would any man want to be in a relationship with Mary?
** Maybe he left her for another man.
*** According to Website/ThatOtherWiki, that's pretty much the case. He ran off to San Francisco.
** I suspect that it is part of the joke - for someone so obsessed with gender roles and the true way, she clearly isn't in a happy relationship.
*** Would any man want to be in a relationship with Mary?
** Maybe he left her for another man.
*** According to Website/ThatOtherWiki, that's pretty much the case. He ran off to San Francisco.
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** I think those "symptoms" were just a coincidence. She could have been eating vegetarian to try and keep her weight down for cheerleading. Her boyfriend being a bad kisser might have been exaggerated though; the movie is from a lesbian's point of view, after all.
** I think those "symptoms" were just a coincidence. She could have been eating vegetarian to try and keep her weight down for cheerleading. Her boyfriend being a bad kisser might have been exaggerated though; the movie is from a lesbian's point of view, after all.
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** I thought they were a parody of whatever random attributes people tend to identify as "gay". It's a bit of a HitlerAteSugar thing. Some gays eat tofu, therefore all tofu eaters are gay.
*** Yes, and there is a common stereotype of the vegetarian/vegan lesbian/bisexual woman.
*** Yes, and there is a common stereotype of the vegetarian/vegan lesbian/bisexual woman.
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** I don't see her as a transman. She seems like a boyish girl.
** I don't see her as a transman. She seems like a boyish girl.
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** She mentioned missing him while she was speaking with (and lying through her teeth to) her parents, so the official breakup probably didn't happen until after the events of the film - most likely sometime between running off with Graham and the short scene of Megan's parents at the allies meeting.
** She mentioned missing him while she was speaking with (and lying through her teeth to) her parents, so the official breakup probably didn't happen until after the events of the film - most likely sometime between running off with Graham and the short scene of Megan's parents at the allies meeting.
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** He was put on a bus.
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** He was put on a bus.
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*** According to Website/ThatOtherWiki, that's pretty much the case. He ran off to San Fransisco.
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*** According to Website/ThatOtherWiki, that's pretty much the case. He ran off to San Fransisco.
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** Given what she tells Graham in the dishwashing scene ("I thought I [had friends]") she seems to consider those relationships severed- her boyfriend would likely fall under that comment as well.
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** Given what she tells Graham in the dishwashing scene ("I thought I [had friends]") she seems to consider those relationships severed- her severed--her boyfriend would likely fall under that comment as well.
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*** According to Wiki/ThatOtherWiki, that's pretty much the case. He ran off to San Fransisco.
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*** According to Wiki/ThatOtherWiki, Website/ThatOtherWiki, that's pretty much the case. He ran off to San Fransisco.
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*** Which is in-and-of itself a byproduct of our society's compulsive need to have a label for EVERYTHING. What's wrong with just being "butch girl"? Does she HAVE to have some sort of deep-seeded subconscious "setting" to just like manly things despite being a straight female? That's one of the points of the movie; sometimes people are just how they are, and trying to pigeon-hole EVERYONE just creates headaches and heartaches alike.
*** "butch girl" is a label. Labels make it easier to describe things without using a short paragraph each time. The problem lies with trying to force people to conform to the already established labels as though being anything else is somehow (the pejorative meaning of) "deviant behaviour".
*** I was always under the impression that she wasn't actually straight, and that she was tormented so much by the camp that she made the excuse so she could leave. In fact the interpretation that she was straight is just baffling to me. Not because she's stereotypically "butch", but because of the tone of the scene itself; I saw a girl who was in so much pain from being sent to a place to change who she was, that she made an attempt to get out of the situation in any way she could. For example, claiming that she was straight while barely being able to actually say it.
*** I took her anger as being at constantly being told she was "ugly" and "unattractive" just for being herself. Basically, as being constantly told that she had to perform a certain version of femininity in order to be attractive. And on top of that, they used her being molested as a basis on which to undermine her entire personality and essentially say that the person she is - her style, her interests, her hobbies - are not only in opposition to her sexuality, but are only because of what an abuser did to her. And it reinforces the idea that no guy who is interested in women would ever be attracted to her if she remains true to her own personal aesthetic. I think those things would make her upset enough to run out like that. I think it is a great comment on what societal expectations and forced roles can do to completely undermine someone's personality if they don't conform in a certain way.
*** "butch girl" is a label. Labels make it easier to describe things without using a short paragraph each time. The problem lies with trying to force people to conform to the already established labels as though being anything else is somehow (the pejorative meaning of) "deviant behaviour".
*** I was always under the impression that she wasn't actually straight, and that she was tormented so much by the camp that she made the excuse so she could leave. In fact the interpretation that she was straight is just baffling to me. Not because she's stereotypically "butch", but because of the tone of the scene itself; I saw a girl who was in so much pain from being sent to a place to change who she was, that she made an attempt to get out of the situation in any way she could. For example, claiming that she was straight while barely being able to actually say it.
*** I took her anger as being at constantly being told she was "ugly" and "unattractive" just for being herself. Basically, as being constantly told that she had to perform a certain version of femininity in order to be attractive. And on top of that, they used her being molested as a basis on which to undermine her entire personality and essentially say that the person she is - her style, her interests, her hobbies - are not only in opposition to her sexuality, but are only because of what an abuser did to her. And it reinforces the idea that no guy who is interested in women would ever be attracted to her if she remains true to her own personal aesthetic. I think those things would make her upset enough to run out like that. I think it is a great comment on what societal expectations and forced roles can do to completely undermine someone's personality if they don't conform in a certain way.
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** Jan is a straight girl who fits some of the socially constructed stereotypes of what society deems "masculine". She is '''not''' butch because only lesbians can be butch, and claiming she is trans just because she doesn't adhere to female gender roles is misogynistic.
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** Jan is a straight girl who fits some of the socially constructed stereotypes of what society deems "masculine". She is '''not''' butch because only lesbians can be butch, and claiming she is trans just because she doesn't adhere to female gender roles is misogynistic.
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* Megan was supposed to always have been gay, but the reasons she was sent to True Directions seemed like a weird way to get her there. Eating tofu and not wanting to kiss a boy who is a disgusting kisser in the first place... can you really identify her as gay just by that? [[DontExplainTheJoke Maybe that was the point,]] but she really ''is'' gay, so... did [[DumbassHasAPoint Dumbass Homophobes Have a Point]], or are we not getting something here?
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