History Headscratchers / BuffySeason5

8th Aug '16 6:18:41 PM jormis29
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** If that were true, let's hope the [[{{Exalted}} First and Forsaken Lion]] [[http://keychain.patternspider.net/archive/koc0005.html doesn't find her.]]

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** If that were true, let's hope the [[{{Exalted}} [[TabletopGame/{{Exalted}} First and Forsaken Lion]] [[http://keychain.patternspider.net/archive/koc0005.html doesn't find her.]]
15th Jul '16 9:43:21 AM windleopard
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15th Jul '16 9:42:05 AM windleopard
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In "Shadow", Giles unwittingly sells Glory the ingredients she needs to summon a demon to find Dawn. This is mitigated by the fact that Giles had no idea what Glory looked like at the time, but this just shows a serious issue with the gang using the shop at all. That they're unintentionally providing people with the means to carry out wicked deeds. Why didn't this ever come up in conversation?
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19th Feb '16 6:55:47 PM timemonkey
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*** There's not much point nitpicking the word 'cleric', the Buffyverse has it's own terminology for such things and we don't actually know what else someone who wields a gods power would be called. Warlock isn't actually a term for a boy witch in the real world either but it is in their world. We've already got witches, shamans, technopagans, sorcerers, etc, what's one more term?
15th Dec '15 12:34:42 AM Luppercus
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***Isnít the pre-Dawn universe like the Wishverse? I mean, all that happened before season 5 still happened as we originally saw it, and I guess if the multiple universe theory is truth in the Buffyverse there is a Dawnless universe somewhere that kept happening without Dawn (which I would love to see those seasons, anyway).
13th Mar '15 6:51:21 AM bwburke94
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* So, in "The Gift" Buffy's suicide closes the dimensional portal even though Buffy is (as far as we know) not a Key and Dawn is still bleeding. Isn't that case of YouFailLogicForever? Even if Dawn is made of Buffy, a conclusion that Buffy pretty much pulled out of her ass, this still wouldn't have made Buffy a Key, would it? Isn't Dawn a combination of a mystical Key energy and a human? Presumably the Key part comes from her energy days, not Buffy. In other words, the cause and effect chain is in the opposite direction - if Buffy was made of Dawn she would have a case but not vice versa. And even if Buffy was somehow a Key, the blood of Dawn was still flowing when the portal closed. It would have been nice if Buffy had tried to, you know, put some bandages on Dawn first and see if that wouldn't close the portal...

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* So, in "The Gift" Buffy's suicide closes the dimensional portal even though Buffy is (as far as we know) not a Key and Dawn is still bleeding. Isn't that case of YouFailLogicForever? a plot hole? Even if Dawn is made of Buffy, a conclusion that Buffy pretty much pulled out of her ass, this still wouldn't have made Buffy a Key, would it? Isn't Dawn a combination of a mystical Key energy and a human? Presumably the Key part comes from her energy days, not Buffy. In other words, the cause and effect chain is in the opposite direction - if Buffy was made of Dawn she would have a case but not vice versa. And even if Buffy was somehow a Key, the blood of Dawn was still flowing when the portal closed. It would have been nice if Buffy had tried to, you know, put some bandages on Dawn first and see if that wouldn't close the portal...
13th Mar '15 6:49:24 AM bwburke94
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*** While Faith was ''the'' Slayer, we never hear the exact wording, do we? The monks may have been aware of Faith and specifically worded it as "Buffy Anne Summers" -- while, of course, checking to ensure no other Buffy Anne Summers existed in any form to avoid ''that'' ambiguity. (And was specific wording even technically required?)
18th Feb '15 4:40:49 AM Laina
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** Okay, there's a part of me now that really wished there'd been a giant pouring of shrimp from the dimension that is only shrimp.
11th Nov '14 7:34:27 AM chuckg
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Technically shouldn't it have been Faith that ended up with the little sister when the monks created Dawn in any event? Faith was '''''the''''' Slayer at the time. According to dialogue, the monks sent the Key to "the slayer". Not to "Buffy the Slayer", but to "the Slayer." Since the Slayer line was now being carried by Faith, Dawn Summers should have been created Dawn Lehane.

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*** Technically shouldn't it have been Faith that ended up with the little sister when the monks created Dawn in any event? Faith was '''''the''''' Slayer at the time. According to dialogue, the monks sent the Key to "the slayer". Not to "Buffy the Slayer", but to "the Slayer." Since the Slayer line was now being carried by Faith, Dawn Summers should have been created Dawn Lehane.Lehane.
*** Buffy season 5 = Angel season 2. Which means that Faith is in prison at this point.
7th Nov '14 4:44:41 PM SeanRenaud
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* As a whole we supposed to buy it yes. The Quellar beast was summoned to clean up a mess that was getting out of hand. And THOSE people were not mentally ill, they were hollowed out husks left behind by Glory who couldn't be bothered apparently to kill them. Granted thanks to Ben murdering them we don't know if they might recover but the only person we see recover from Glory's mind rape is Tara and only after Willow literally sucks the essence that binds the human mind out of Glory and returned it to Tara. So whether or not you want to believe that he was doing them a favor when he killed them or not the majority of his actions are supposed to put him in the good guy camp. Her certainly could have been a lot more cooperative with Glory. Obviously YMMV on if you think his actions ultimately balance out with him more good than evil. Personally it seems like he was a guy in an impossible position. He literally had a crazy hell god in his head, taking control of his body, leaving him in strange places. Regardless Buffy lives in a world where people are fairly easily forgiven. Both Spike and Anya do things that are much worse and with minimal guilt. Prior to getting a soul Spike doesn't seem the least bit sorry about the things he's done and Anya doesn't display any guilt either until season seven but both of them are clearly accepted as "goodish" in universe and certainly sympathetic out of universe.
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