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** Nisha must be in the New-U database because she's back if you visit Lynchwood again later in the game.
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*** Yeah, remember, Loaders ''have eyes''. They can visually ''see'' that said Siren/gun-toting dwarf/heavily-armed commando/walking Metal Gear reference/teenage mechanic+deathbot/massive walking slab of meat doesn't look anything like Jack. Even if they can't, the Hyperion soldiers running around can, and can issue alerts as to the actual threat. And if for some retarded reason ''they'' can't, then ''Handsome Jack himself is watching you attack the mountain'' and can issue orders to his Loaders. Hell, the bio-signature doesn't even fool the death wall. The only thing that the bio-signature works on is the biometric scanner itself.
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* Speaking of voice acting, in case anyone was wondering why both Creator/LuciChristian and Creator/CheramiLeigh are both credited as Gaige, and why you hear Luci's voice for all of Gaige's non-Anarchy lines, the explanation is rather simple: Cherami was brought in because they felt that Luci didn't quite have that "Rebellious Teenager" edge in her voice. Cherami dubbed over all of Luci's lines, as well as the Anarchy lines that Luci never got around to. By the time the character was released (which would be as a pre-order bonus when the game launched), Gearbox quickly realized that they just... ''forgot'' to switch out Luci's dialogue. It was very simply just a last minute oversight. However, the game had already launched, and Luci's lines were already being heard, so they decided to roll with it and give her credit (Removing her lines at that point would've been a dick move). [[WordOfSaintPaul Cherami thinks that it is rather appropriate that Gaige's voice "changes" the more she goes crazy with power anyway.]]
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*** Yeah, but Jack's body double ''looks'' AND ''sounds'' like Jack. It isn't by any stretch of the imagination that hard for Hyperion to make all their employees wear a signal that indicates them as an employee of that company and an ally to their own robot forces. Just because it echos his bio signature doesn't mean you look like him. The robots could just be all like "Handsome Jack detected in the area. Hyperion signal not found. Visual confirmation: NOT JACK."
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*** To be more specific, Funimation was founded in Fort Worth, and are now headquartered in Flower Mound, just north of Dallas. Gearbox's offices are located in Plano, not even an hour north of Flower Mound. Also, a lot of the voice actors from Funimation double as directors, producers, writers, sound engineers, and a host of different jobs, so they, by necessity, have to stick around the DFW area. It was really easy for Gearbox to corral the Funi members into helping them with the game's voice acting.

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*** ** To be more specific, Funimation was founded in Fort Worth, and are now headquartered in Flower Mound, just north of Dallas. Gearbox's offices are located in Plano, not even an hour north of Flower Mound. Also, a lot of the voice actors from Funimation double as directors, producers, writers, sound engineers, and a host of different jobs, so they, by necessity, have to stick around the DFW area. It was really easy for Gearbox to corral the Funi members into helping them with the game's voice acting.



*** He must notice eventually that they work for you, considering the side-quest he gives you to kill yourself despite knowing you'll resurrect. One way or another, I think the idea that Angel did something to the system that prevents him from removing the new Vault Hunters from it even after her death is the most likely explanation.

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*** ** He must notice eventually that they work for you, considering the side-quest he gives you to kill yourself despite knowing you'll resurrect. One way or another, I think the idea that Angel did something to the system that prevents him from removing the new Vault Hunters from it even after her death is the most likely explanation.



*** If he does this during the last fight, he would probably rush to resurrect The Warrior and doesn't have time to remove you from the system. If he left to do so, you'd be able to free Lilith. He also thought once the Warrior would awake the Vault Hunters would be insignificant.

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*** ** If he does this during the last fight, he would probably rush to resurrect The Warrior and doesn't have time to remove you from the system. If he left to do so, you'd be able to free Lilith. He also thought once the Warrior would awake the Vault Hunters would be insignificant.



*** Someone at Hyperion quietly deleted him so that when he died, the company would be able to move on without a megamaniacal dictator at the helm. We already know Blake is willing to go against the grain (such as when he "bragged" to TK Baha about the assassins sent to kill him...which coincidentally gave him time to escape), so maybe it was him or someone like him.
*** Lilith's super-charged Siren powers kept the respawn from working. Slight asspull, plus she's not necessarily the one who kills him, so that's another strike against it.
*** Jack is so rich that the New-U station broke when trying to calculate its cut. Silly in addition to being unlikely.

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*** ### Someone at Hyperion quietly deleted him so that when he died, the company would be able to move on without a megamaniacal dictator at the helm. We already know Blake is willing to go against the grain (such as when he "bragged" to TK Baha about the assassins sent to kill him...which coincidentally gave him time to escape), so maybe it was him or someone like him.
*** ### Lilith's super-charged Siren powers kept the respawn from working. Slight asspull, plus she's not necessarily the one who kills him, so that's another strike against it.
*** ### Jack is so rich that the New-U station broke when trying to calculate its cut. Silly in addition to being unlikely.



*** It would actually be harder for Angel to cover up a New-U use if it wasn't being charged. With the Vault Hunters, she can just switch around a few names and identification. But she likely can't actually cover up the New-U being ''used'', so she's got to keep the books balanced. In a setting this advanced, and with corporate interests this profit-oriented and unscrupulous, they'll likely notice any imbalance in their books very quickly. Hyperion doesn't care about people, they care about ''profit''. Plus, charging you to respawn would also be a subtle incentive on her part to keep you from screwing up as often.

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*** ** It would actually be harder for Angel to cover up a New-U use if it wasn't being charged. With the Vault Hunters, she can just switch around a few names and identification. But she likely can't actually cover up the New-U being ''used'', so she's got to keep the books balanced. In a setting this advanced, and with corporate interests this profit-oriented and unscrupulous, they'll likely notice any imbalance in their books very quickly. Hyperion doesn't care about people, they care about ''profit''. Plus, charging you to respawn would also be a subtle incentive on her part to keep you from screwing up as often.



*** Think about it, [[spoiler: she was hooked up to an Eridium Injection system for YEARS and when it was finally removed, she died.]] If a New-U station revived her exactly as she was, it would Digistruct [[spoiler: a body that would immediately die of Eridium withdrawal anyway, only to be resurrected again, then die of withdrawal, then die again, etc. etc.]] So yeah, she probably took herself out.

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*** ** Think about it, [[spoiler: she was hooked up to an Eridium Injection system for YEARS and when it was finally removed, she died.]] If a New-U station revived her exactly as she was, it would Digistruct [[spoiler: a body that would immediately die of Eridium withdrawal anyway, only to be resurrected again, then die of withdrawal, then die again, etc. etc.]] So yeah, she probably took herself out.



*** Yes, there's a reason Angel wants you to follow a very specific robot. A robot that has intelligence and holds no allegiances to the company that made it. And tried to take over the galaxy and overthrow the company. And Hyperion destroyed the entire product line (or so they thought). What was your point again? Are you trying to imply all hyperion products work perfectly as intended?

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*** ** Yes, there's a reason Angel wants you to follow a very specific robot. A robot that has intelligence and holds no allegiances to the company that made it. And tried to take over the galaxy and overthrow the company. And Hyperion destroyed the entire product line (or so they thought). What was your point again? Are you trying to imply all hyperion products work perfectly as intended?



*** Jack is ''ridiculously'' dishonest. Just because his preferred method is manipulation than outright lying doesn't mean he never lies when it could benefit him. (Consider that he spends the first act of the game trying to kill you and/or telling you you should die [[spoiler:when his master plan relies on your survival and infiltration of Sanctuary]]. Or lying to his boss about why he's dispatched a Hyperion satellite to Pandora.)

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*** ** Jack is ''ridiculously'' dishonest. Just because his preferred method is manipulation than outright lying doesn't mean he never lies when it could benefit him. (Consider that he spends the first act of the game trying to kill you and/or telling you you should die [[spoiler:when his master plan relies on your survival and infiltration of Sanctuary]]. Or lying to his boss about why he's dispatched a Hyperion satellite to Pandora.)



*** Well, sure. I guess what I'm wondering is WHY? I mean, anyone who's blown the helmet off of a Goliath knows that Pandorans are no strangers to disfiguring injuries. So thereby hangs a tale. Jack's face is either a transplant, or a mask...So what happened to the original version? Obviously he's narcissistic as hell, otherwise he wouldn't call himself "Handsome" Jack. And we know he had some sort of plastic surgery. But did he just swap in a better one? Was he injured somehow? It just seems like (especially given all of the over-arching story elements between the first game and this one) there's gotta be some sort of narrative significance to that facet (sorry!) of his character.
*** There's an image of Handsome Jack [[http://borderlands.wikia.com/wiki/File:1348620070076.jpg without his mask]]. WildMassGuessing here, but [[spoiler:the fact that the scar matches the symbol that the Psychos wear on their masks]] suggests that Jack was [[spoiler:disfigured and branded by a group of bandits]], explaining his irrational hatred for the inhabitants of Pandora.
**** Actually, it's given to him [[spoiler: if you let Lilith kill him in the endgame. That head model is from his corpse.]] You can literally watch it be burned onto him. It's more of a general Pandora/Vault symbol anyway.
**** That explanation has been circulating around, despite having a massive hole: if it's that recent, then ''why is he wearing a mask in the first place''.

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*** ** Well, sure. I guess what I'm wondering is WHY? I mean, anyone who's blown the helmet off of a Goliath knows that Pandorans are no strangers to disfiguring injuries. So thereby hangs a tale. Jack's face is either a transplant, or a mask...So what happened to the original version? Obviously he's narcissistic as hell, otherwise he wouldn't call himself "Handsome" Jack. And we know he had some sort of plastic surgery. But did he just swap in a better one? Was he injured somehow? It just seems like (especially given all of the over-arching story elements between the first game and this one) there's gotta be some sort of narrative significance to that facet (sorry!) of his character.
*** ** There's an image of Handsome Jack [[http://borderlands.wikia.com/wiki/File:1348620070076.jpg without his mask]]. WildMassGuessing here, but [[spoiler:the fact that the scar matches the symbol that the Psychos wear on their masks]] suggests that Jack was [[spoiler:disfigured and branded by a group of bandits]], explaining his irrational hatred for the inhabitants of Pandora.
**** ** Actually, it's given to him [[spoiler: if you let Lilith kill him in the endgame. That head model is from his corpse.]] You can literally watch it be burned onto him. It's more of a general Pandora/Vault symbol anyway.
**** ** That explanation has been circulating around, despite having a massive hole: if it's that recent, then ''why is he wearing a mask in the first place''.



*** Just a bit of FridgeHorror: Handsome Jack's body doubles wear the same mask. That means whoever the face originally came from had their face removed at least twice.

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*** ** Just a bit of FridgeHorror: Handsome Jack's body doubles wear the same mask. That means whoever the face originally came from had their face removed at least twice.



*** Which brings up the question: Why didn't Jack bombard Sanctuary AFTER he captures Lilith?
*** Because it might kill the new Vault Hunters, and he wanted to do that personally. Plus, he was trying to wake up an alien kaiju, so he figured the city itself wouldn't be a problem for too much longer.
*** Besides, by that point, Jack's winning to an extreme degree. Roland's dead. Lillith is his prisoner. The Crimson Raiders are effectively paralyzed. He's hours from opening the Vault and getting the Warrior under his command. He doesn't ''need'' to kill Sanctuary anymore.
**** But why not do it anyway and get rid of the slight chance they could do something to stop him?
**** Because ''he doesn't need to.'' His victory is all but assured, and he's megalomanical enough to assume that his victory is totally assured.
***** Sanctuary's new position is fairly close to some major Hyperion assets, including the Wildlife Exploitation Preserve and a major moonshot receiving facility. Pre-kidnap, Jack probably wouldn't have wanted to risk missed shots or fallout wrecking his assets, especially the WEP. Post-kidnap, he was absolutely pissed off enough at the Vault Hunters, old and new, that he wanted to be there and watch them die with his own eyes, preferably as slowly as possible. Blowing them to pieces would have ruined his satisfaction.
**** There's also the fact that Sanctuary itself isn't really that much of a problem for Jack, it's the fact that Roland set up his base of operations there that makes it a problem. Once Roland is dead, the Crimson Raiders can't really do much, and as a result Sanctuary isn't much of a threat. The only things that threaten him at that point are Brick, Mordecai, and the PC. Of those, he wants to kill the PC himself, Brick is more of a threat due to his control over the Slabs (who aren't in Sanctuary anyway), and Mordecai is more of a loner. The other thing is that neither Brick nor Mordecai are bound to the city like Roland was; they do stay there, but Jack doesn't know that. As far as he knows, they're still running around Thousand Cuts or Tundra Express, meaning that if he attacks Sanctuary, all he's doing is risking killing the PC, who he explicitly ''doesn't'' want to kill.

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*** ** Which brings up the question: Why didn't Jack bombard Sanctuary AFTER he captures Lilith?
*** ** Because it might kill the new Vault Hunters, and he wanted to do that personally. Plus, he was trying to wake up an alien kaiju, so he figured the city itself wouldn't be a problem for too much longer.
*** ** Besides, by that point, Jack's winning to an extreme degree. Roland's dead. Lillith is his prisoner. The Crimson Raiders are effectively paralyzed. He's hours from opening the Vault and getting the Warrior under his command. He doesn't ''need'' to kill Sanctuary anymore.
**** ** But why not do it anyway and get rid of the slight chance they could do something to stop him?
**** ** Because ''he doesn't need to.'' His victory is all but assured, and he's megalomanical enough to assume that his victory is totally assured.
***** ** Sanctuary's new position is fairly close to some major Hyperion assets, including the Wildlife Exploitation Preserve and a major moonshot receiving facility. Pre-kidnap, Jack probably wouldn't have wanted to risk missed shots or fallout wrecking his assets, especially the WEP. Post-kidnap, he was absolutely pissed off enough at the Vault Hunters, old and new, that he wanted to be there and watch them die with his own eyes, preferably as slowly as possible. Blowing them to pieces would have ruined his satisfaction.
**** ** There's also the fact that Sanctuary itself isn't really that much of a problem for Jack, it's the fact that Roland set up his base of operations there that makes it a problem. Once Roland is dead, the Crimson Raiders can't really do much, and as a result Sanctuary isn't much of a threat. The only things that threaten him at that point are Brick, Mordecai, and the PC. Of those, he wants to kill the PC himself, Brick is more of a threat due to his control over the Slabs (who aren't in Sanctuary anyway), and Mordecai is more of a loner. The other thing is that neither Brick nor Mordecai are bound to the city like Roland was; they do stay there, but Jack doesn't know that. As far as he knows, they're still running around Thousand Cuts or Tundra Express, meaning that if he attacks Sanctuary, all he's doing is risking killing the PC, who he explicitly ''doesn't'' want to kill.



**** A medical degree is not compulsory for getting a medical license. The fact Dr. Zed is capable of healing anyone is sufficient proof that he might have been able to pass a licensing exam. His experiments are more likely the reason for losing the license.

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**** *** A medical degree is not compulsory for getting a medical license. The fact Dr. Zed is capable of healing anyone is sufficient proof that he might have been able to pass a licensing exam. His experiments are more likely the reason for losing the license.



*** This is entirely possible. S&S sells to the Pandoran market by marketing their weaponry as having high magazine capacity. Then along come the bandits, whose own weapons can be produced more cheaply and fill in the same niche. S&S stops selling altogether when their market share gets too low and no one buys their weapons and moves their shipments off-world.
**** S&S looked to be a reseller, buying guns made by other companies, tweaking them a bit, giving them huge magazines, repainting them, and reselling them as their own brand. With the bandits making cheap guns that already fit S&S's niche, their operations were no longer profitable on Pandora (since they don't make their own guns) so they left or went out of business.

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*** ** This is entirely possible. S&S sells to the Pandoran market by marketing their weaponry as having high magazine capacity. Then along come the bandits, whose own weapons can be produced more cheaply and fill in the same niche. S&S stops selling altogether when their market share gets too low and no one buys their weapons and moves their shipments off-world.
**** ** S&S looked to be a reseller, buying guns made by other companies, tweaking them a bit, giving them huge magazines, repainting them, and reselling them as their own brand. With the bandits making cheap guns that already fit S&S's niche, their operations were no longer profitable on Pandora (since they don't make their own guns) so they left or went out of business.



*** This troper had a friend once have a respawn glitch out and take most of his money. He went from many, many, many times the money counter cap, to effectively nothing. Maybe Hyperion pulled the same thing on the Old Vault Hunters? What're they going to do, cancel their subscription? [[spoiler:Actually, that explains a few things about Roland...]]

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*** This troper had a friend once have ** It's possible to encounter a respawn glitch out and take lose most of his your money. He You went from many, many, many times the money counter cap, to effectively nothing. Maybe Hyperion pulled the same thing on the Old Vault Hunters? What're they going to do, cancel their subscription? [[spoiler:Actually, that explains a few things about Roland...]]



*** I think the person was asking how exactly does the weapon itself distinguish between looking down the sights and hip-fire in-universe.

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*** ** I think the person was asking how exactly does the weapon itself distinguish between looking down the sights and hip-fire in-universe.



*** It makes a lot more sense if you assume that most Digistruction is just "hyperstorage." Most cases of digistruction (New-U stations and Tediore guns notwithstanding) don't actually create something new. Say a Digistruct unit just allows it to convert matter to energy and then back again later, with some odd applications popping up now and again. There may be a replication technology, but it's probably very rough; the "upgraded" Digistruct units the new Vault Hunters carry might be upgraded with a unit to allow it to function as a MatterReplicator for simple shapes, thus meaning that a Tediore gun is really just a batch of replicator code. As for the New-U stations, there's an element of GameplayAndStorySegregation here, but it's possible to construct a rough explanation if you assume that each New-U packs a storage unit containing all of the carbon, oxygen, hydrogen, etc. that a human body is composed of, then uses the on-file genetic code of the customer to arrange it. (The New-U stations do have your genetic code registered; it's literally the first thing you do in [[VideoGame/{{Borderlands}} BL1]]).

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*** ** It makes a lot more sense if you assume that most Digistruction is just "hyperstorage." Most cases of digistruction (New-U stations and Tediore guns notwithstanding) don't actually create something new. Say a Digistruct unit just allows it to convert matter to energy and then back again later, with some odd applications popping up now and again. There may be a replication technology, but it's probably very rough; the "upgraded" Digistruct units the new Vault Hunters carry might be upgraded with a unit to allow it to function as a MatterReplicator for simple shapes, thus meaning that a Tediore gun is really just a batch of replicator code. As for the New-U stations, there's an element of GameplayAndStorySegregation here, but it's possible to construct a rough explanation if you assume that each New-U packs a storage unit containing all of the carbon, oxygen, hydrogen, etc. that a human body is composed of, then uses the on-file genetic code of the customer to arrange it. (The New-U stations do have your genetic code registered; it's literally the first thing you do in [[VideoGame/{{Borderlands}} BL1]]).



During the mission "The Man Who Would Be Jack", you get a voice modulator that, according to Angel, alters your voice and transmits a bio-signature into nearby machines. If that's true, then why are all the Loaders still trying to kill you? As far as they're able to tell, you ''are'' Handsome Jack; right now, they're shooting at their boss. It makes sense that the foot soldiers would be able to tell the difference, but not the robots. Hell, if you're fighting said soldiers and the Loaders drop in, they should start fighting for ''you'', seeing as how Jack would have a much higher priority than some random grunts.

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* During the mission "The Man Who Would Be Jack", you get a voice modulator that, according to Angel, alters your voice and transmits a bio-signature into nearby machines. If that's true, then why are all the Loaders still trying to kill you? As far as they're able to tell, you ''are'' Handsome Jack; right now, they're shooting at their boss. It makes sense that the foot soldiers would be able to tell the difference, but not the robots. Hell, if you're fighting said soldiers and the Loaders drop in, they should start fighting for ''you'', seeing as how Jack would have a much higher priority than some random grunts.
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** Angel clearly states that the modulator "''echoes [Jack's] bio-signature to every machine in the immediate area''". Also, keep in mind that this thing is being carried by Jack's body double, which means Loaders don't rely on visual confirmation.
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** Talking like Jack isn't going to fool their visual sensors.
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During the mission "The Man Who Would Be Jack", you get a voice modulator that, according to Angel, alters your voice and transmits a bio-signature into nearby machines. If that's true, then why are all the Loaders still trying to kill you? As far as they're able to tell, you ''are'' Handsome Jack; right now, they're shooting at their boss. It makes sense that the foot soldiers would be able to tell the difference, but not the robots. Hell, if you're fighting said soldiers and the Loaders drop in, they should start fighting for ''you'', seeing as how Jack would have a much higher priority than some random grunts.
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** But if that were the case, you'd be able to turn burst on when firing from the hip, or turn it off while aiming. The sensor option explains why non-burst fire while aiming is impossible.
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** Chronologically, it seems that ''Dragon Keep'' is supposed to take place after the main game, ''Pirate's Booty'', ''Campaign of Carnage'', and ''Big Game Hunt'', so the player should have completed everything else before entering the fantasy world. This is complicated a bit with the Headhunter packs, but I suppose there's enough time between the ''Bunkers & Badasses'' game and Halloween for the Vault Hunters to say "Hey, Torque, remember that game we played? Can you make me a gun like I had in there?" How the Vault Hunters managed to learn the game's spells in real life is a better question, [[WildMassGuessing unless of course]] [[CrazyAwesome Tina's Bunkers & Badasses game came with]] [[AWizardDidIt an actual spellbook]], which somehow seems somewhat plausible in [[RuleOfCool the Borderlands universe]].
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*What about Nisha (aka, the Sheriff of Lynchwood)? She was Jack's girlfriend and there is absolutely no reason why Angel would go out of her way to remove her in particular from the New-U database, yet when she dies it shocks Jack so much he actually stops being a ComedicSociopath for a moment.
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** Unless Eden-6 is in the same star system as Pandora, then there has to be some kind of faster-than-light technology for Gaige to get to Pandora. Her ECHO logs explicitly mention Hyperion's invasion of Pandora, and she'd have to be using faster-than-light technology to get there in the timeframe involving the war between Hyperion and the Raiders. Plus, unless Handsome Jack had an army pre-positioned to invade Pandora - which frankly nearly impossible considering sending a single satellite was enough to raise eyebrows - then there's no way he could have gone from a code-monkey to CEO and then invaded Pandora in five years without faster-than-light capability.

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*** That makes sense. Assuming he meant to write "5248" (and made one hell of a typo by screwing up the order that much), and that he was homeschooled until the normal graduating age of 18, then the game would be 9 years after graduation, making him 27.
**** Maybe he's dyslexic?
*** Roland seems to be in his 30s at least, though. It seems most likely that it is either a slip of the mind from Gearbox, or that the date system is different on his home planet.
*** Cryo sleep still seems like the most likely option to me, given that (a) it takes a very long time to travel from one galaxy to another, even at near-light speeds, (b) the robotics in this world are easily complex enough to travel for thousands of years without human help, and (c) there's been no mention of FTL travel so far in the series. Here's hoping we get more explanations about this in the Pre-Sequel this year!

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*** ** That makes sense. Assuming he meant to write "5248" (and made one hell of a typo by screwing up the order that much), and that he was homeschooled until the normal graduating age of 18, then the game would be 9 years after graduation, making him 27.
**** ** Maybe he's dyslexic?
*** ** Roland seems to be in his 30s at least, though. It seems most likely that it is either a slip of the mind from Gearbox, or that the date system is different on his home planet.
*** ** Cryo sleep still seems like the most likely option to me, given that (a) it takes a very long time to travel from one galaxy to another, even at near-light speeds, (b) the robotics in this world are easily complex enough to travel for thousands of years without human help, and (c) there's been no mention of FTL travel so far in the series. Here's hoping we get more explanations about this in the Pre-Sequel this year!year!
** Well, FTL travel hasn't been explicitly mentioned, but traveling between planets has. That means either FTL travel or cryosleep. Cryosleep has never been hinted at, while the Fast Travel stations could be a short-range version of technology used for an interstellar PortalNetwork. As is, we'll just have to wait and see.
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*** Cryo sleep still seems like the most likely option to me, given that (a) it takes a very long time to travel from one galaxy to another, even at near-light speeds, (b) the robotics in this world are easily complex enough to travel for thousands of years without human help, and (c) there's been no mention of FTL travel so far in the series. Here's hoping we get more explanations about this in the Pre-Sequel this year!
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****Maybe he's dyslexic?
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** When you reach The Fridge, Angel tells you that "Jack is patient, but he's not that patient."
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* If Hyperion has a Fast Travel + New-U Station (let's call it a [[Portmanteau Fast U]]) inside Sanctuary, why doesn't Jack with his legions of robots simply teleport into Sanctuary and kill everyone there? If the PC can enter and exit the place whenever they like, why can't Jack? He owns the network.

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* If Hyperion has a Fast Travel + New-U Station (let's call it a [[Portmanteau [[{{Portmanteau}} Fast U]]) inside Sanctuary, why doesn't Jack with his legions of robots simply teleport into Sanctuary and kill everyone there? If the PC can enter and exit the place whenever they like, why can't Jack? He owns the network.
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** You can see how Hyperion just drilled through the Eridian ruins, especially at the end of Hero's Pass. There is even an area of Hero's Pass called "Guardian Slag Heap".
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** Sanctuary has its own Fast Travel codes that lock Hyperion out. That's actually the entire reason why Hyperion captures Tiny Tina and Brick in the ''+5 to Punching'' video.
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* If Hyperion has a Fast Travel + New-U Station (let's call it a [[Portmanteau Fast U]]) inside Sanctuary, why doesn't Jack with his legions of robots simply teleport into Sanctuary and kill everyone there? If the PC can enter and exit the place whenever they like, why can't Jack? He owns the network.
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** Both Tina and Torque are frankly people who have the means and reason to make guns that shoot swords that explode.

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** Both Tina and Torque Torgue are frankly people who have the means and reason to make guns that shoot swords that explode.
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** Both Tina and Torque are frankly people who have the means and reason to make guns that shoot swords that explode.
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*** Besides, by that point, Jack's winning to an extreme degree. [[spoiler: Roland's dead. Lillith is his prisoner. The Crimson Raiders are effectively paralyzed. He's hours from opening the Vault and getting the Warrior under his command. He doesn't ''need'' to kill Sanctuary anymore.]]

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*** Besides, by that point, Jack's winning to an extreme degree. [[spoiler: Roland's dead. Lillith is his prisoner. The Crimson Raiders are effectively paralyzed. He's hours from opening the Vault and getting the Warrior under his command. He doesn't ''need'' to kill Sanctuary anymore.]]
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*** Besides, by that point, Jack's winning to an extreme degree. Roland's dead. Lillith is his prisoner. The Crimson Raiders are effectively paralyzed. He's hours from opening the Vault and getting the Warrior under his command. He doesn't ''need'' to kill Sanctuary anymore.

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*** Besides, by that point, Jack's winning to an extreme degree. [[spoiler: Roland's dead. Lillith is his prisoner. The Crimson Raiders are effectively paralyzed. He's hours from opening the Vault and getting the Warrior under his command. He doesn't ''need'' to kill Sanctuary anymore.]]
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** I'm pretty sure this is a case of TheDevTeamThinksOfEverything. There can only be six sirens in the universe: Angel, Lilith, and one "canon" Maya, but he's also accounting for the fact that the player party can consist of up to four sirens. That makes six.
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** It could be simpler. Dahl weapons could have a small switch near the trigger, with three settings: Safe and Auto (shared with all guns that are neither Jakobs or Bandit, for different reasons between the two), but for Dahl specifically there's "Burst". The character just simply clicks the gun into "Burst" when they go to aim, and clicks it back into "Auto" or "Semi" when they stop doing so.
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** Or it could have been the Vault Hunters already had those weapons at that point in the timeline and Tina is just making up a story about how they got them. Considering she already [[WriteWhoYouKnow bases all of the campaign characters off existing people she knows]], this isn't much of a stretch.
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** The Vault Hunters are more or Less FamedInStory even before meeting Handsome Jack. Plus they do visually stand apart from bandits and regular civilians.
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** He states in the main game that since he relies on prosthetic limbs now, he's not really in peak physical shape anymore and wouldn't be able to take on the threats the Vault Hunters can.
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** I always got the idea that after Angel dies, Handsome Jack sort of drops the bullsh*t trolling he does and starts taking the PC seriously and isn't going to lie to them, because ItsPersonal now and he wants all cards on the table, as his manner in dealing with PC changes from trolling to loathing. Therefore, I'd say that when he says that his wife was killed by Angel, it sounds as though he's telling the truth because of what stage he's at that point in the story, although that's just my interpretation of events.

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** I always got the idea that after Angel dies, Handsome Jack sort of drops the bullsh*t bullshit trolling he does and starts taking the PC seriously and isn't going to lie to them, because ItsPersonal now and he wants all cards on the table, as his manner in dealing with PC changes from trolling to loathing. Therefore, I'd say that when he says that his wife was killed by Angel, it sounds as though he's telling the truth because of what stage he's at that point in the story, although that's just my interpretation of events.

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